Posted by Daedalus85
Ok, this isn't official news, but it's as official as I can get
Our Nokia rep, who think's we're great (:D) told me something intruiqing today.
He's said the N96 hasn't been given the complete green light yet (I'm guessing Nokia wanted to get something that resembles the real thing out in time for MWC).
And the delays are due to them adding (at the last minute) a Xenon flash, ala N82! Finally, an all in one phone with almost nothing (bar BlackBerry
) missing!
From what I can tell of the marketing stuff he left for the N82, Xenon flashes seem to be Nokia's next big push from now on, which is fine by me
Posted by technical-expert
R u sure?
But i would have expected the Following enhancement Form the N96
Battery same e61i(1500mah)(will there be any changes to this battery included
)
3 Inch Vga Screen
Premium materials (blend of 8xxx series with N96 specification)(the material seem to be smudgy)
But over all the design has be given face lift,But i expected a little more From nokia n96.But i think the specification has been kept in order so that there may be video or imaging flagship phone from nokia.Thats why they r holding somethings.Or may be to give the n78 some edge with better battery or something
Posted by GUCCI.011
They could have still added atleast a 1050mAh battery or 1100mAh battery to N96,but anyway it getting a Xenon Flash is still cool i guess.
Posted by Daedalus85
One step at a time. For now, the spec it's got plus the Xenon flash is enough for this generation.
N96i will prolly be the time for upgrading the screen, but given VGA screens on non touch screen phones are stupidly, stupidly rare, I don't expect them to do it.
Really though, it's a pretty good all-rounder, you can't expect EVERYTHING, and no matter what they make, I bet you're the one person who can think of something else to add to it
Posted by Miss UK
Oh dear the batterys up for discussion already and ive only just discovered this topic without posting that
whats the quality difference gonna do btw the lens,
i'd say not much eh?
Posted by QVGA
On 2008-03-28 20:22:08, technical-expert wrote:
R u sure?
But i would have expected the Following enhancement Form the N96
Battery same e61i(1500mah)(will there be any changes to this battery included
)
3 Inch Vga Screen
Premium materials (blend of 8xxx series with N96 specification)(the material seem to be smudgy)
Thats just ridiculous!
Posted by kenoby
My happiness will be complete once Nokia provides a coffee maker in the new flagship...
Posted by GUCCI.011
On 2008-03-28 21:48:07, Daedalus85 wrote:
One step at a time. For now, the spec it's got plus the Xenon flash is enough for this generation.
N96i will prolly be the time for upgrading the screen, but given VGA screens on non touch screen phones are stupidly, stupidly rare, I don't expect them to do it.
Really though, it's a pretty good all-rounder, you can't expect EVERYTHING, and no matter what they make, I bet you're the one person who can think of something else to add to it
I'd rather have longer battery life to watch TV via DVB-H than have a Xenon flash
Posted by Red_Rach
Great news, I'll defo be looking out for this now it has a proper flash!!!
Posted by djin
if it has a xenon flash, shouldnt it get thicker??? Cuz i believe its supposed to be thinner than n95, isnt it?
Posted by Daedalus85
As time goes on, components get smaller. By the time this is out, everything that was in the N95 will generally be a few millimeters smaller, thus making it possible to put 16GB memory and a Xenon flash in.
Posted by technical-expert
Really though, it's a pretty good all-rounder, you can't expect EVERYTHING, and no matter what they make, I bet you're the one person who can think of something else to add to it
Ya atleast im the one person who can think of whtelse to add, with out which technology and innovation would die.
BTW if u have noticed N96 is not a step up, if u have noticed the camera lens has been reduced from 5.6 to 5.2mm same as k850i, which is very bad news, and they removed the 3d accelerator.Ya of course common people may not know this, but not a technical expert.
Posted by razec
On 2008-03-29 12:09:27, technical-expert wrote:
Really though, it's a pretty good all-rounder, you can't expect EVERYTHING, and no matter what they make, I bet you're the one person who can think of something else to add to it
Ya atleast im the one person who can think of whtelse to add, with out which technology and innovation would die.
BTW if u have noticed N96 is not a step up, if u have noticed the camera lens has been reduced from 5.6 to 5.2mm same as k850i, which is very bad news, and they removed the 3d accelerator.Ya of course common people may not know this, but not a technical expert.
As far as i know, Nokia had only used a different CPU chip. 3d accelerator alongside with the sound and video DSP were all integrated on the SMT CPU chip in N96. Just think of this: if it has no 3d accelerator, we shouldn't expect N96 to record/play VGA@ 30fps video - as this task is only possible with an accelerator slapped in it
Posted by aksd
AS far as I know it has Video acceleration but no acceleration in gaming
Posted by Miss UK
it have tv capabilities that wont work for another few yrs in the Uk, it will work in Asia but the phones pointless if u cannot use that. My pal told me this today!
Posted by Daedalus85
This is what I've been trying to tell a guy at work who wants to buy the (now long dead) N92 or the N77, for the TV, and I keep telling him it won't work. He insists its the same frequency freeview works on, what a dumbass lol
Posted by gregface
the trouble with xenon flash is that it uses electrolytic capacitors, which are bulky and won't get very much smaller since it is physically impossible to make a smaller capacitor with the same capacitance which meets specs.
Posted by bavlondon2
This story is utter rubbish. No Xenon flash will be added.
Posted by GUCCI.011
Yep,it doesn't have 3D acceleration, it has an a video and audio DSP. From i know 3D acceleration is not needed for Ngage gaming, my N81 runs the Ngage games very well and im sure the N96 will be the same
Posted by BobaFett
it would be a real wonder if n96 survives 12h at heavy usage, next to it the xenon flash ( which is a bonus of course ) will drain the batt more faster
Posted by Daedalus85
On 2008-03-29 21:57:33, bavlondon2 wrote:
This story is utter rubbish. No Xenon flash will be added.
Anything to back that up?
Posted by GUCCI.011
Boba
Well apparently the N96 can pull off a full day due to FP2 being very power efficient when it comes to Multimedia apps like Music Player, Radio, Video Player etc. . . So who knows,but i still also can't believe that it will get past 12hours.
Posted by aksd
This may be possible but highly unlikely from a marketing stand point, for the following reasons:
1. The N96 is not a imaging oriented phone, its aimed at Multimedia as in TV, Video and Audio.
2. The N96 will cannabalize on N82 sales which has'nt yet reached its EOL.
3. The N96 was never developed as an "All-in-One" as the N95, its more of a niche phone such as the N93, the next high end imaging phone will be a successor to the N93 imo.
4. The Xenon flash will drain the battery, no matter how power efficent FP2 is, software can just do so much, software can increase stand by time but not talk time as thats based on the RF chipset etc.. so the battery would need to be bigger, hence making the phone bigger which Nokia wont be willing to do.
5. Lastly and not very accurate, do not trust the marketing guys as they hear tiny bits of rumours trickling down from the R&D departments, mostly such a feature would undergoe testing for a future product and rarely gets into production.
I do no have any concrete evidence supporting my claim, its just a logical assumption after spending a few years in the industry and watching Nokias strategy.
Posted by Daedalus85
ok, in answer to your points:
1. Next to the N82, the N95 and N96 are the closest to 'imaging' phones Nokia have ever had. The whole N-series is meant to be about good imaging, video, games and music, the whole multimedia experience.
2. N96 isn't due out until the N82 is nearing the end of it's life. Judgeing by sales, the N82 is a niche phone.
3. The N96, is the successor to the N95, as that was to the N93 and so on. It's main focus has always been photo and video, and as they've evolved, the other multimedia aspects have been added to increase its overal functionality.
4. Who said it wouldn't use a similar battery to the N82? It's not a finalised phone yet and quite a way off launch, so time will tell.
5. Fair enough, he may have heard a trickle, but we'll see when it comes out. It would make sense as by that point the N82 will have been out long enough to see if sales have been good/bad, and N95 8GB users are going to want more of an upgrade than more memory and a TV tuner they can't use for another 2 years. Hence the idea of the Xenon flash.
Again, like yourself, I have no concrete evidence to support my claim, but this is my logical assumptions based on what I've seen since the launch of the N-Series.
Posted by GUCCI.011
Wasn't the N95 the successor to the N80? I don't see the N95 as any better than an N93. The N93 carries the same chipset. N93 has Optical Zoom, stereo Video audio recording, a larger 1100mAh battery, and it wasn't exactly meant to sell a lot, the price (on my side) for an N93i is actualy a little more than the N95-1.
N96 can't be the N95 successor IMO, they are too similar, and from what ive read the N95 still has a better chipset,but i maybe wrong, this is just my opinion.
Posted by aksd
The Optical zoom makes all the difference, if you see the N93 was marketed as a video based device. The N95 as an overall multimedia computer along with its VGA quality video recording and 5Mpx camera, the N96 as a video oriented device, it is not in reality a sucessor to the N96.
The processor on the N96 is waay to inferior for it to replace the N95, the N95 sucessor should run on OMAP3 or a similar specced processor with most probably a VGA. The N96 feels like a device Nokia are using to test the DVBH waters with like the N77, I dont think they expect it to be a big seller as they have'nt really done much on the handset.
But this is'nt an N96 discussion thread, basically what I meant to propve was the N96 is highly unlikely to get the Xenon flash, there maybe units(or actually will be units) with a Xenon flash at Nokia R&D as there were VGA screened N95s which never saw the light of day in the open market.
Posted by bavlondon2
On 2008-03-30 14:09:53, Daedalus85 wrote:
ok, in answer to your points:
1. Next to the N82, the N95 and N96 are the closest to 'imaging' phones Nokia have ever had. The whole N-series is meant to be about good imaging, video, games and music, the whole multimedia experience.
Actually N96 isnt about imaging. Sure it has a 5MP camera but the focal length is smaller than on the N95 and N82.
2. N96 isn't due out until the N82 is nearing the end of it's life. Judgeing by sales, the N82 is a niche phone.
How may I ask is the N82 a niche phone? Its Nokias imaging flagship! In actual fact Eldar referred to it as a mid range one meaning somthing big is on the way - my guess is the eventual N93 sucessor.
3. The N96, is the successor to the N95, as that was to the N93 and so on. It's main focus has always been photo and video, and as they've evolved, the other multimedia aspects have been added to increase its overal functionality.
No is not the sucessor to the N95. Its aimed at a different audience hence no TI chipset being used. Are you thinking its the sucessor because of the name? So are you then going to assume the N81 is a sucessor to the N80? lol
4. Who said it wouldn't use a similar battery to the N82? It's not a finalised phone yet and quite a way off launch, so time will tell.
Erm actually Nokia have said that. Not only that but they also mentioned they had optimised the phone to achieve 14 hours music playback. But N95 already does that with v20 fw so its not that big a deal. Main point though, dont expect anything larger than 950mah.
5. Fair enough, he may have heard a trickle, but we'll see when it comes out. It would make sense as by that point the N82 will have been out long enough to see if sales have been good/bad, and N95 8GB users are going to want more of an upgrade than more memory and a TV tuner they can't use for another 2 years. Hence the idea of the Xenon flash.
The N73 is still being sold now and that was released when? The N82 will be out for a long time to come. Infact I dont think we will see above 5MP from Nokia in 2008. And no new OZ either. (Ask Badger of MR). Instead what you will see is the 5MP camera module from the N95/N82 used in several non N range phones (bad news for SE). Eldar actually said this would happen months ago and voila we have the 6220.
If n95 8gb owners want more of upgrade then they will just have to wait.
Posted by Miss UK
On 2008-03-29 20:04:53, Daedalus85 wrote:
This is what I've been trying to tell a guy at work who wants to buy the (now long dead) N92 or the N77, for the TV, and I keep telling him it won't work. He insists its the same frequency freeview works on, what a dumbass lol
its abit pointless Nokia bringing it to the Uk,
if were to wait 2 years or so for that to work..
i'd tell the guy you say to go and buy a freeview box/reciever nuff said! but if he's stupid enuff to waste cash then let him people never listen
Posted by BobaFett
just imagine what batt u need for a proper usage with that tv feature.
Posted by JiSm
An OLED screen would be nice. Anyone actually seen vids on an Arte? Damn nice.
Posted by Miss UK
Boba perhaps a BL-10F
the tv app is useless to us anyway,
I hope Nokia produce a Touchscreen phone though,
I do want one next as they seem to be everywhere at the min
Posted by BobaFett
u seen the proto of the ts nokia, right?
well, that would be a fingerprint magnet, trust me
Posted by BobaFett
@daedalus u are famous
http://www.phonemag.com/nokia[....]t-minute-spec-tweak-032035.php
Posted by Miss UK
I saw it on Click a few months ago after it had been unveiled Boba,
I was unimpressed by it lol
lol can people really steal info from other sites
Posted by Daedalus85
Blimey, in the spotlight or what
Cool
Posted by giancito
On 2008-03-30 16:24:20, aksd wrote:
But this is'nt an N96 discussion thread, basically what I meant to propve was the N96 is highly unlikely to get the Xenon flash, there maybe units(or actually will be units) with a Xenon flash at Nokia R&D as there were VGA screened N95s which never saw the light of day in the open market.
Two versions of the N96 with and without flash xenon
Would be well?
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Posted by BobaFett
fake?
Posted by giancito
Much more credible
Posted by razec
On 2008-04-01 03:01:43, BobaFett wrote:
fake?
Very Ugly flash position.
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
I think its just a fake mock-up. You can see harsher noise around the xenon flash, and there is some blurring going on.
Its hard to tell though, it does look pretty realistic too...
Posted by BobaFett
yeah, its nonsense to put xenon and led flash too on a mobile
Posted by driftmania
Didn't they do that with the K850i?
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Yeah they did.
I see nothing wrong with it. It means you can have a torch, a video light, and a proper flash on your phone. Makes sense.
Posted by razec
@Oli:
Some Casio and Olympus cameras have Torch(LED) as well as Flash in their cameras namely the Exilim EX-V8 and MJU 770SW
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Oh yeah, I'm not arguing against at all. Its a good idea!
Posted by driftmania
Yeah, having both Xenon and LED is useful in a phone. But if they go that way, they better pack in a much better battery or I'm gonna have to buy two micro chargers to go out.
Posted by bavlondon2
Its not going to happen people those are all just photoshops.
Posted by Miss UK
Just wait till it comes out then you'll all see what it has or not thats if you actually really wanna buy it
Posted by Daedalus85
I'm hopefully going to go play with one last this month/early next month, so we'll see.
Posted by Miss UK
Nice one that will make you a celeb then over at that site how about that