Posted by lazeeboy
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Definitely agree with you on this.
Posted by max_wedge
On 2008-03-27 00:27:03, arien617 wrote:
Honestly if there were an industry standard things would be simple!
The FastPort does work well, although in my old V600i it has rusted :s
Usually the problem lies with the actual connector bit, don't know the name, the one that goes into the phone.
Seriously
phones would be perfect if they just stuck a nice 3.5mm jack on the top of the phone for sound only. No video. No data. Just sound.
Using a normal set of earphones would be so much easier and plugging into a larger output. If you want wired handsfree, simple. Keep using the current method.
just needs to butch up the connectors a bit.
I agree it wouldn't be a bad thing.
Posted by razec
I think we've seen the fastport + 3.5mm approach on
W980, didn't we?
Posted by lazeeboy
W980 doesn't count. Hasn't been released yet.
Posted by max_wedge
On 2008-03-27 04:48:00, lazeeboy wrote:
W980 doesn't count. Hasn't been released yet.
Not yet, but it's close enough that it's worth waiting to see. If it's a real success, maybe SE will bring out 3.5mm audio on all W series.
Posted by kenoby
Unprotected 3.5 mm hole on the phone which invites moisture, dust etc...?
No thanks...
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Um, does anyone have any visual proof of the 3.5mm jack on the W980i? I've just been looking at images of it and can only see the fastport. Granted, I can't see the top and bottom on any pictures, but it doesn't look like they could fit a 3.5mm jack in either place due to size.
Posted by bearcub24
On 2008-03-27 09:47:51, kenoby wrote:
Unprotected 3.5 mm hole on the phone which invites moisture, dust etc...?
No thanks...
The 3.5mm hole on some Nokias which is positioned on the top of the handset does look vulnerable.
Posted by arien617
Sliding cover?
Or waterproof the inside of the top section of the phone so that the cables running down from the 3.5mm jack, speaker and all the other bits up there are the only thing that pass through a cut out at the top of the barrier, that way replacing these parts yourself won't be too difficult either.
Posted by Lo-couk
An Industry standard with a 3.5mm jack plug would change how most phones have to be designed, then
wouldn't want apple/ samsung etc.. H/phones plugged into their phones and vice versa.
I've found with a 3.5mm jack, the lead on the headphones seems to always break internally where the wire goes into the male Jack, on the fastport there isn't this problem.
Posted by max_wedge
I've found the same unreliability of 3.5mm headphones - this has been a problem since the first cassette walkmans.
3.5mm headphones port would be useful no denying it, but as you say, fastport is far more reliable and probably we are better off with fastport. It's a hard judgement call. If looked after, a 3.5mm socket can last a long time (just have to be careful to never laterally flex the 3.5mm jack), and they could design it with a cover to protect the phone innards.
Posted by shyam335
If u ask me,3.5 connectors are more tolerant to dust,dirt,moisture etc than fastport.
Ive always had problems with my fast port with dust/dirt..
Posted by kenoby
On 2008-03-28 08:30:41, shyam335 wrote:
If u ask me,3.5 connectors are more tolerant to dust,dirt,moisture etc than fastport.
Ive always had problems with my fast port with dust/dirt..
3.5 mm connector might be prone, but not rest of the phone....
Posted by max_wedge
On 2008-03-28 08:30:41, shyam335 wrote:
If u ask me,3.5 connectors are more tolerant to dust,dirt,moisture etc than fastport.
Ive always had problems with my fast port with dust/dirt..
True, but the 3.5mm is more prone to physical damage, whereas the fastport is prone to getting dirt on it but is almost immune to physical damage. You can always clean a fastport when it gets clogged up, easily, whereas a damaged 3.5mm socket is the end of using listening to music via headset. For me that would be the end of the phone's useful life
Posted by altemyr
On 2008-03-25 23:54:55, max_wedge wrote:
The fastport doesn't "break".
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The fastport is actually a very damage resistant connector, but you have to keep it clean if you want good performance. Simple as that.
I'm afraid I do not quite agree. It's true that it's very damage resistant, and compared to a 3.5 mm jack it's very unlikely that the phone gets damaged if the cable is pulled out in a unfortunate direction, and it's also true that cleaning of the contacts does help in many cases, but the fastport connector actually DOES break sometimes. It's a pure mecanical issue. The plastic springs that are supposed to hold the plug in place tends to become too weak, or it may be the sockets they are suppoed to hatch into in the phone's fastport socket that becomes worn out after a while, and the result is that the fastport plug pops out of its position almost by itself, or by very little external force. I have seen this on many
phones with the fastport connector.
The design of a phone connector is not a very easy task however. To begin with, you want many connectors in order to be able to support many functions, like power iintake,speaker output, mic input, signalling and communication with accessories, etc, you want a robust connector that does not fall off by itself, but you also want a connector that actually does dieconnect and does not damage either the phone or the plug or the cable if exposed to accidental force. There are several solutions to this problem, but none of them are perfect. Nokia uses a separate connector for the charger, Motorola uses mini-USB (and thus serial communication to reduce the number of connectors), etc. An upcoming extra requirement is compatibility with other brands for accessories that can be connected to the phone.
Posted by max_wedge
I'll take your word for it, but I've never seen such fastport damage myself. I would expect it would involve undue care to cause such damage, not normal everyday use.
Posted by PhR34k
On 2008-04-01 02:11:56, max_wedge wrote:
I'll take your word for it, but I've never seen such fastport damage myself. I would expect it would involve undue care to cause such damage, not normal everyday use.
I would really like to spend a day with all you people that say that because the handsfree brakes is for being uncarefull. And for the love of god its no the fastport itself its the handsfree that brakes cause the fastport itself is a useless piece of crap unless your like some of these guys in here that probleby sit on their chair at a office space, unlike me and all the people i know that uses s.e phones and handsfree. There is no other place to put the mobile then in your pocket. Im not buying a new phone so I can put it in a pocket fasten to my belt cause then i could change my name to steve urkel!
I've been using SE phones for a long time and have had problems with their handsfree all the time. I have to buy a new one every 3-4 months and no its not because they are dirty cause as soon as i connect the new one everything works fine!
Posted by londonlad123
I have never had any problems with a 3.5mm jack connection. Its strong, small and reliable. I have many different kinds of problems with fastport. The contacts lose their spring, dust, the connection becomes loose over time. Then stupid decision such as making the connector big and put it on the side. I would always choose 3.5mm over fastport, eventually so will SE.
Posted by max_wedge
On 2008-04-02 21:35:50, PhR34k wrote:
On 2008-04-01 02:11:56, max_wedge wrote:
I'll take your word for it, but I've never seen such fastport damage myself. I would expect it would involve undue care to cause such damage, not normal everyday use.
I would really like to spend a day with all you people that say that because the handsfree brakes is for being uncarefull. And for the love of god its no the fastport itself its the handsfree that brakes cause the fastport itself is a useless piece of crap unless your like some of these guys in here that probleby sit on their chair at a office space, unlike me and all the people i know that uses s.e phones and handsfree. There is no other place to put the mobile then in your pocket. Im not buying a new phone so I can put it in a pocket fasten to my belt cause then i could change my name to steve urkel!
I've been using SE phones for a long time and have had problems with their handsfree all the time. I have to buy a new one every 3-4 months and no its not because they are dirty cause as soon as i connect the new one everything works fine!
Read my post mate. I have found the exact same thing occasionally as you say (but not every three months) - a handsfree that stops working on my phone, a new one works fine, BUT if I clean the fast port then the old one works fine also. I gave my reasoning as to why this might happen, maybe you are too impatient to read other people's posts.
Nevertheless, if you keep it clean then old handsfree's will work again. If you don't want to be bothered cleaning it then fine suit yourself. No matter what you say about yourself being a snotty nosed kid who doesn't have enough balls to wear his phone on his belt (btw I don't sit in an office all day) the fact is there are many satisfied fastport customers who don't have problems so try as I might I'm hard pressed to understand how you can have so many problems with headsets that you have to replace them every 3 months. If you want to carry your phone in your pocket that's your choice. I carry mine in my pocket sometimes too, and it's never been a problem for me.
Seriously I've never heard ANYONE with the same extent of problems as you, so I find it very hard to believe all the others are wrong and you alone are right.
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Posted by kenoby
On 2008-04-02 21:35:50, PhR34k wrote:
On 2008-04-01 02:11:56, max_wedge wrote:
I'll take your word for it, but I've never seen such fastport damage myself. I would expect it would involve undue care to cause such damage, not normal everyday use.
I would really like to spend a day with all you people that say that because the handsfree brakes is for being uncarefull. And for the love of god its no the fastport itself its the handsfree that brakes cause the fastport itself is a useless piece of crap unless your like some of these guys in here that probleby sit on their chair at a office space, unlike me and all the people i know that uses s.e phones and handsfree. There is no other place to put the mobile then in your pocket. Im not buying a new phone so I can put it in a pocket fasten to my belt cause then i could change my name to steve urkel!
I've been using SE phones for a long time and have had problems with their handsfree all the time. I have to buy a new one every 3-4 months and no its not because they are dirty cause as soon as i connect the new one everything works fine!
Buy a Nokia. Since
is for office ppl.. 
BTW. I work on industrial site and I do not have any problems whatsoever with fastport. But I do have with the hole of 3.5 mm. That is one of the main reasons why I do not have Nokia.
So, if you buy Nokia, you will not be frustrated with the phone and in return your life will be more joyfull.
Posted by PhR34k
On 2008-04-03 01:03:15, max_wedge wrote:
On 2008-04-02 21:35:50, PhR34k wrote:
On 2008-04-01 02:11:56, max_wedge wrote:
I'll take your word for it, but I've never seen such fastport damage myself. I would expect it would involve undue care to cause such damage, not normal everyday use.
I would really like to spend a day with all you people that say that because the handsfree brakes is for being uncarefull. And for the love of god its no the fastport itself its the handsfree that brakes cause the fastport itself is a useless piece of crap unless your like some of these guys in here that probleby sit on their chair at a office space, unlike me and all the people i know that uses s.e phones and handsfree. There is no other place to put the mobile then in your pocket. Im not buying a new phone so I can put it in a pocket fasten to my belt cause then i could change my name to steve urkel!
I've been using SE phones for a long time and have had problems with their handsfree all the time. I have to buy a new one every 3-4 months and no its not because they are dirty cause as soon as i connect the new one everything works fine!
Read my post mate. I have found the exact same thing occasionally as you say (but not every three months) - a handsfree that stops working on my phone, a new one works fine, BUT if I clean the fast port then the old one works fine also. I gave my reasoning as to why this might happen, maybe you are too impatient to read other people's posts.
Nevertheless, if you keep it clean then old handsfree's will work again. If you don't want to be bothered cleaning it then fine suit yourself. No matter what you say about yourself being a snotty nosed kid who doesn't have enough balls to wear his phone on his belt (btw I don't sit in an office all day) the fact is there are many satisfied fastport customers who don't have problems so try as I might I'm hard pressed to understand how you can have so many problems with headsets that you have to replace them every 3 months. If you want to carry your phone in your pocket that's your choice. I carry mine in my pocket sometimes too, and it's never been a problem for me.
Seriously I've never heard ANYONE with the same extent of problems as you, so I find it very hard to believe all the others are wrong and you alone are right.
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[ This Message was edited by: max_wedge on 2008-04-03 03:49 ]
I read your post, and everyone elses too? Did you read mine? It has nothing todo with dust man, i have cleaned it. Its like the other guys say the springs on the connector dont stay firm for a long time. This is riddiculous, i know what I have expericed with the god damn handsfree and what all my friends have to and like 50% of the people in this thread. The fastport is shit, its not made long lasting and if you dont belive this take a bit of plastic and bend it back and forword over a 1000 times and check how it feels from the first time and to the last time. It will loosen up its not something i made up!
"kid"? I dont know where you come from but at earth its about style not age. Wearing a phone with a belt pocket its discusting!
I dont know why people keep defending the fastport its just stupid. Mini Usb
Its the best cant argue with that! Im not gonna read anymore at this thread cause all you guys do is reapet the same thing and its started to get annoying! Good luck with your fastport (we'll see how long it will last on SE phone)
[ This Message was edited by: PhR34k on 2008-04-05 17:20 ]
Posted by max_wedge
I read your post, and everyone elses too? Did you read mine? It has nothing todo with dust man, i have cleaned it. Its like the other guys say the springs on the connector dont stay firm for a long time. This is riddiculous, i know what I have expericed with the god damn handsfree and what all my friends have to and like 50% of the people in this thread.
I'm sorry to question your experience, but you are also questioning the experience of everyone who has no problems with fastport (50% going by your statistic). That can mean only one thing to me, some people treat the fastport in such a way that weakens it more than the other 50% like myself who don't have problems. I repeat again, I have had my HPM-70 for over two years, used everyday. I use it in my pocket or on my belt, mostly on my belt but about 1/5 of the time in my pocket I have a standard stereo headset, used for 6months. I have another headset I use in the car about two or three times a week, have used that one for 12 months. My brother in law, sister, and about 4 or 5 of my friends have used fastport with no problems.
The fastport is shit, its not made long lasting and if you dont belive this take a bit of plastic and bend it back and forword over a 1000 times and check how it feels from the first time and to the last time. It will loosen up its not something i made up!
then it's the amount of flexing while it's in your pocket, which if it were a 3.5mm headset or usb-mini would cause damage to the socket not the headset, so thankfully you have a fastport and your phone itself is not damaged.
"kid"? I dont know where you come from but at earth its about style not age. Wearing a phone with a belt pocket its discusting!
That's downright insulting to everyone who wears a phone on their belt, who are you to say it's disgusting? Maybe you don't like it personally but to say it's disgusting shows how immature you are (and why I thought you were a kid). It's a practical solution that would help keep your phone and connectors in better condition. If you are such a style guru that you can't live with that option then your choice is to damage connectors all the time. The safest place for a phone on a worksite is on your belt, it's simple.
I dont know why people keep defending the fastport its just stupid. Mini Usb
Its the best cant argue with that!
For those of us who have never had any fastport OR connectors break before, despite extensive use, then it's just common sense to defend fastport, especially if we have had usb-mini devices where the usb socket has clean broken off the pcb of the phone, rendering the phone completely unchargeable and therefore unusable.
Im not gonna read anymore at this thread cause all you guys do is reapet the same thing and its started to get annoying! Good luck with your fastport (we'll see how long it will last on SE phone)
[ This Message was edited by: PhR34k on 2008-04-05 17:20 ]
Sorry to keep questioning you, but it just seems strange that you have all these problems. I have given you my experience, including a solution which is to wear the phone in a belt pouch, which you use to insult my fashion sense, but you seem more intent on being angry about the fastport than actually finding a solution.
I suggest you sell your SE phone, and get a phone that 1. doesn't have it's connector on the side (bad move by SE and Nokia N95) and 2. doesn't use fastport. But as for me, since I don't have problems with fastport even though I use it daily, I will happily continue using fastport
Posted by famous12
Although im a fan of FastPosrt I must say they are not too durable....my W300i Fast Port stopped working properly after using it extensively for only 3-4 months.
Wish the new onese are more durable...and hope my K850i's fast port doesnt stop working
Posted by max_wedge
I guess some people have prpoblems others don't. Who knows why, all I know is I don't have any problems.
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Posted by Ranjith
my fast port,after 2 years of use is messed up.
the connector is very loose...its really hard to listen to music and i guess its because the the connector of the fast port accumulates dirt or something.i remember the guys at SE use to say to their customers "oh that just requires cleaning"
and out of desperation i took a safety pin and cleaned it up...and well it works now!;)
Posted by max_wedge
Good job! This is what I'm saying - many of the people with problems haven't even bothered doing this simple thing! I thought it odd too when I first had problems with the fastport but since realising that it just needs cleaning regularly I haven't had any problems whatsoever.
btw it's better to use isopropyl alcohol and a cotton bud, to avoid scratching the contact, but as you can see even a pin will do the job.
I think people with problems that can't be fixed with a good clean are a just unlucky with the way they use their phones. I accept it sucks for those people, but I'm not sure it's right to blame the fastport itself.
Posted by PhR34k
Im not trying to insult you is jus tthat i dont want anything hanging outside of me and most people atleast guys have their phone in the pocket thats just the place for the phone and for girls its in the purse i guess.
And i know there arent any way to fixing this the only thing is for me to buy a new handsfree and save the receipt for a couple of months and when it's time again ill get a new one from the garanty cause in sweden it means that something is wrong with the product if you use like your suppose to and it doesnt hold up for more then 1 year. Thats just like life is. And if the brainiacs at SE cant come up with a better solution this is a bad way of making money for their part! Cause ill get a new handsfree every 3 months on their count!
And yes , ill never buy a SE again.
Posted by kenoby
Good luck with your new phone. Please stop by after few months of usage to give us your opinion.
@ max wedge, for the belt pouch as the safest place for mobile on the worksite I fully agree. It's sopposed to be practical, not aesthetical.
Posted by candyraver
Hi
On my old k750i, which i practically never used for music had a very bad connector and the hpm-70 would loose contact, so no music was heard. But the phone was 3,5 year old so I could not really complain.
Now I got a w890 and the Fastport connector is thicker than the phone it self and is located on the side, which makes it evev wider when its in the pocket, its stupid!!
So now I will get a DS205 Stereo bluetooth headset when released in May and stop using the fastport connector except for charging.
Posted by skblakee
On 2008-04-09 18:57:59, candyraver wrote:
which makes it even wider when its in the pocket, its stupid!!
So now I will get a DS205 Stereo bluetooth headset when released in May and stop using the fastport connector except for charging.
Hi,
I think that this is why
make the silly fast port like it is in the first place. That way they encourage sales of the Bluetooth headsets. Not that I mind the BT headsets,I actually like them. however,their fast port is nothing but stupid. I cannot imagine how they expect persons to actually be able to use them and have the phones in a case or pocket.
Besides that they are highly unfashionable that way.
A 3.5 MM connector would be sooo much better for listening music a la.the P910i than the silly fast port
Posted by zirkie101
Could anyone please post a pic of this "fastport"?
Posted by Ranjith
On 2008-04-09 22:03:03, zirkie101 wrote:
Could anyone please post a pic of this "fastport"?
well fast port is the place where you connect the accessories.
or you mean some specific user's fast port?
Posted by altemyr
This thread seems to have separated into three separate sub-threads:
- The fastport itself - is it good or bad?
One of the good things are that it will break befoer the phone itself does if exposed to external force, and on of the bad things is that it sometimes does not stay in place when it should, and that the connectivitiy may be poor if the contacts aren't cleaned periodically. - The new placement of the fastport on the phone at the side instead of at the bottom. It seems that most people agrees that the placement at the side is not so good.
- The design of the fastport plug itself.
The plug is unnecessary big. Why does some accessories have a design of its fastport plug that makes it impossible to connect it in the port replica on the back of the CST-75 charger's fastport plug?
Posted by whatsucka
i've been using my w800 for 2 yrs n so far i changed 2 wired hf... da port itself is ok only problem is da way thy design the part where the wire goes into the male connector, it somehow break easily internally n 2 of my headset broke the same way... if this hpm-70 for my w960 break on me the same way as b4 im going to get the stereo bt hf, although it only got 6hrs of batt life but still better than buying so many hpm-70
everytime i put my fone in my pocket the wire always bent upward...y cant thy design the headset male connector like the USB cable...stright up...
Posted by altemyr
I have experienced exactly the same thing. The earphone suddenly just went silent, and it seems like the leads have been broken at the point where the cable enters the connector body. If the cable had ben connected to the back of the connector instead of at the side of it, this would probably not have occured. SonyEricsson seems to have solved this problem by placing the fastport connector on the side of the phone instead.
Posted by whatsucka
well not my w960...is still on bottom n now im afraid to use the HPM-70 comes with the box... now im juz waiting for the HBH-DS 205 or later thy will make 1 with in-ear headfones... actually i can juz get the ds205 n change the headfones myself since i have those old broken HPM-70 headphones
Posted by Mige
uhm... fastport or 3,5 mm?
Posted by whatsucka
i prefer fastport... less hole on the phone...hahaha
Posted by max_wedge
I'm just stunned at the problems some of you guys are having with HPM-70. I haven't had a single problem in almost 2 years. It's still working brilliantly. Actually the other day I dropped it on the ground and accidently stepped on one of the ear buds. I bent it a little, but was able to straighten it up a bit and it still sounds just as good as it did.
Here it is, if I straighten it anymore it might break completely, so since it sounds fine and still fits snug in my ear I'll justleave it as is:
Posted by Mige
I prefer 3,5mm
Posted by max_wedge
The way I look at it, there are odd occasions where 3.5mm would be handy, but overall I see no great advantage in having a 3.5mm port. For example, if I'm going to be out and about and I want to listen to music, I need to have my headset with me. And if I'm having to carry a headset everywhere, then what difference if it is a HPM-70 or a normal headset?
Either way I still have a 3.5mm port available.
Okay so if I have a 3.5mm port on the handset and I forget to have the headset with me I can borrow someone else's, but who carries TWO headsets around (so that they can lend me one without depriving themselves of music)?
I mean the actual number of times a 3.5mm plug is any real advantage over a HPM-70 is quite rare.
Posted by RandomAnon
Guys, while we are on the fastport topic, take look at this solution.
Somebody should start producing this.
Posted by Bialynia
The old fastport sucked, the new one is good.