Posted by fatreg
This has sparked outrage on another site I use, so I though I'd put it to you lot.
Should the death penalty be re-introduced in the UK?
discuss!
(how do I get a poll on here?)
Posted by Trev1982
In what circumstances fatreg i presume you just mean in eye fo a eye cases???
i think the death penalty is out the question IMO, what i think would be a really good idea would be amputation, the options for all sorts of crimes, amputation seems like a really good way to prevent crime to.
Posted by fatreg
yeah eye for an eye.. if you kill somebody, should be placed in jail or should your life be terminated?
Posted by Trev1982
i think if it can be proven for sure that you committed it than yes i see no problem with the death penalty, its just there has been far to many mistakes by government and the legal system for it to work properly i feel that they don't go to enough lengths to get things right, the Americans have been known to have people on death row for years and then find out it wasn't them who committed the crime.
also where do you draw the line, what if there is a car crash you survive and kill 3 people, you never meat to do it but its proven and you admit you killed them by a accident how do you determine if they should get the death penalty, you can say ok yer its just for murderers but.... you still killed someone!!!!!
Posted by Yoruichi
depends upon the circumstances . ie taking a life in self defense or defending the lives of others in such cases would say no. However for unjustified / premeditated killings then yes execute the perpetraters to protect society. and in the case of drug dealers without a doubt they should be executed. the well being of society as a whole takes priority over any concerns over cold blooded killers and drug dealers.
Posted by arien617
Deffo should.
Only for murders and shizz though. But I think you shouldn't be punished AT ALL for killing someone while defending yourself. But for other attacks which lead to death, so like murders, terrorism etc., the death penalty should be brought back in.
EDIT: All those terrorists wanted to die anyway... uhhm.. no praying before you're killed then.
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Posted by Trev1982
ok then if i may, what about a age limit, the whole thing With Gary Newlove, i would give them the death penalty if you notice they spend more time in prison because of there age,
what about people that are asylum seekers what happens there do the get the death penalty or do we send them packing home, its a very good subject to talk about but....
the death penalty wouldn't work in this country now we as a nation let people get away with anything and everything,
Posted by fatreg
But do we need to overhaul the whole CPS system so that people don't get away with things?
We won't go to immigrants... I mat get banned.
Posted by Trev1982
On 2008-02-24 12:21:03, fatreg wrote:
But do we need to overhaul the whole CPS system so that people don't get away with things?
We won't go to immigrants... I mat get banned.
ok we keep them out this topic because i think it would be a doubling banning lol
Posted by MWEB
No, never, because despite the fact that SOME people MIGHT deserve such, innocent people are bound to get hanged/electrocuted/gassed in error.
Posted by fatreg
teehee..
them boys that killed Gary Newlove are a disgrace, they will be out by the time they are 30/35... they still have half their lives to live... WHY!? they killed somebody, why oh why should we give them a 2nd chance?
Posted by Trev1982
what you mean give them a second chance like the guys (Jon Venables and Robert Thompson ) that killed James Bulger, they in custody for a minimum of 15 years, oh look its 2008 guess who might be getting released this year pffft this country is dooomed i tell ya
Posted by MWEB
This is not a topic that is just black or white, it's mostly all gray, if you start saying lets kill certain criminals, where do you draw the line?.
Posted by Trev1982
On 2008-02-24 12:34:20, mweb6161 wrote:
This is not a topic that is just black or white, it's mostly all gray, if you start saying lets kill certain criminals, where do you draw the line?.
exactly how do you draw the line, you no maybe harsher prison sentences would be a start imo
Posted by MWEB
I believe there should be automatic custodial sentences for crimes against THE PERSON, no matter WHAT age, the prisons are chock full of motorists, shoplifters, fraudsters, leaving the thugs, vandals and perverts to walk our streets.
Posted by thomas93
This is a tricky one.
I think seeking justice over revenge is the right way to go but how will we define this? if anyone saw horizon a while back about the death sentence, I agree with Micheal's point of view. They're punishment is death so a painless one should be allowed. I would rather see prisons made bigger then people sent to death. They have comminted vicious crimes and should be locked away. Taking a life means we are no better then them.
The suffolk strangler is a good example. What would you lot do to him?
About over flowing prisons. Surely there is a better place to put convicts? Off of the mainland is a good idea but then every country will want to do that and we're boned :-/
Send em to the moon I say
Posted by Trev1982
On 2008-02-24 12:40:10, mweb6161 wrote:
I believe there should be automatic custodial sentences for crimes against THE PERSON, no matter WHAT age, the prisons are chock full of motorists, shoplifters, fraudsters, leaving the thugs, vandals and perverts to walk our streets.
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Posted by thomas93
Castration!!!
I have the awnser!
Posted by MWEB
It all boils down to lax parenting IMO.
Posted by thomas93
Over active loins are bad for Britain
Seriously though;
Chavs and Gangsters are becomeing worse and worse. Holigans should be locked away for life no-matter how bad it was. Football match yesterday lecister fans trashed Earlsdon in Coventry for no reason other than they were drunk.
Posted by pmerryman
On 2008-02-24 12:54:46, mweb6161 wrote:
It all boils down to lax parenting IMO.
Lax parenting, due to the fact there there is all the human rights act now. Parents cant keep theire kids in line, and they are straight on the phone to the Police.
As for the death penalty, I think its a great idea for people commiting murder, a life for a life.
As for the judicial system, this is too lax. A life sentence should mean, you never walk the streets again, no matter what your crime.
Posted by TruffleHunterSnortBeast
On 2008-02-24 12:58:16, thomas93 wrote:
Over active loins are bad for Britain
Seriously though;
Chavs and Gangsters are becomeing worse and worse. Holigans should be locked away for life no-matter how bad it was. Football match yesterday lecister fans trashed Earlsdon in Coventry for no reason other than they were drunk.
Posted by thomas93
Earlsdon is a really nice area. Just we have J.D Wetherspoons to blame
Hillfields is a scum hole and always will be. Least Wood-End is being renovated.
Posted by awave
imo we should be fixing society's problems that cause people to go and committ murder and other crimes.
we need to start off my getting rid of this stupid capitalist society we live in.
and an old saying that does really come into the death penalty stuff too - 'fighting for peace is like nice for virginity'. (not sure whether that'll be censored but i hope you know that phrase anyway..)
people need real prospects for their lives. people need to be able to enjoy their lives rather than being little slave-workers for the fat cats of our society.
i could go on forever but i'll stop here.
Posted by TruffleHunterSnortBeast
Let's hear it for Citizen Smith
Posted by MWEB
Awave has a point, however it's a bit like the chicken and egg, put the skinheaded, shellsuited, neanderthal in a mansion, and will he change ?.
Posted by Red_Rach
For me I think its too dangerous for the death penalty to come back. If you give someone the death penalty only to find they were innocent it can't be reversed. There's also the case of mercy killings and killings in self defense. But I do beleive that if you kill someone you should spend you're life behind bars and be made t pay for it.
As for immigration...well if an immigrant has nothing to contribute to the british society and is only here to sponge and reep the benefits then I don't think they should be here. To many immigrants complain about things in England, if they aren't happy with the way we live they should go elsewhere. I think Australia have the right idea when it comes to immigration. Live our way....or take the highway!
Posted by nicv27
if it is proved without doubt that the person convicted commited the crime then yes the death penalty should be used. why should these people stay in prison at the tax payers expense then come out after serving a pityfull sentence to carry on their life.
Posted by fatreg
I'm well aware the Sun isn't the most high brow newspaper doing the rounds, but they are not scared to ask a touchy question..
apparently 99% of the 100,000 that voted want the death penalty re-introduced..
see here
Posted by Trev1982
wow i didnt think they would be that many people for it tbh
Posted by goldenface
I think I sort of have the same point of view as mweb6161 and awave.
I don't think we should be tackling the UK's problems by extinguishing people's lives. Yes, we know there are some sickos out there but I think bringing back capital punishment is definitely a step back and not the way of a so-called civilised society.
Other solutions should be found.
Posted by fatreg
^ such as?
there are only a finite number of options available, imprisonment, capital punishment, social exclusion or some other form of punishment.
Imprisonment is what we do at the moment and it sucks.
capital punishment has been banned.
social exclusion, we sort of have already filled up Australia with convicts, no more places in the Commonwealth to send them.
Other forms of punishment, would be classed as inhumane, also, a muderer, cutting their bits off, dosing them will not get rid of there desires, fantasies, thoughts... a warped mind, is a warped mind!
what else can we do?
bearing in mind it's a bit late to send everyone in the UK back to school!
Posted by Trev1982
back to school you say reggie maybe just maybe that could be the best place to start of.....
Posted by waibun_lee
I personally think the death penalty should be brought back, society is too soft these days and kids are growing up without fear. The majority know they can get away with most petty crimes (stealing, vandalism, etc) it's just a slap on the wrist with them. But the main point is yes it should be brought back but only for certain crimes, also each case should come under review by a special branch.
Posted by Trev1982
it could only be brought back, if there was 100% proof that it was murder and they had the right person, there would be a outrage if they started knocking off the wrong people although we could do with loosing a few million people have you seen how many people live on this planet now ? i often wonder how much the population of our country would go down if the death penalty was still in place,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population
Posted by MWEB
On 2008-02-25 22:18:19, fatreg wrote:
I'm well aware the Sun isn't the most high brow newspaper doing the rounds, but they are not scared to ask a touchy question..
apparently 99% of the 100,000 that voted want the death penalty re-introduced..
see here
The fact that 99% of SUN readers voted for it, is perhaps argument enough NOT to bring it back
Posted by Seanyb2
I think we should bring it back though i cannot see it happening and its not in keeping with European law. But if it was reintroduced i think our prisons might not be as full up as they are now. Some states in America recently got rid of the death penalty.
Posted by BobaFett
that wotn bring any result. look at the u.s.a. the most crime happens there in the whole entire world, even they still have execution on some states... now a days it too late, the world is ruled by wars, figths and crime, u see deatch every day in the tv, so to see sy to die, wotn make anybody to stop killing etc
Posted by Seanyb2
Oh i forgot to say in America you are allowed to use force against someone who breaks into your house to protect yourself. Here you get banged up for protecting yourself its pathetic. If somebody was attacking me i would protect myself by maybe knocking them out but i would try not to kill them lol. But i think the law is too much on the side of criminals today and all this human rights thing gets in the way of it. Death penalty for intended killing but not accidental killing though. What about drink drivin