Posted by Dogmann
@Mizzle
Trust is something that is earned not a given and at this point in time trust in anything SE say is at an all time low, as many of us trusted they would sort out UIQ3 and the P990 problems. Instead of which we all got shafted and had support stopped on devcies that delivered no where near what they promised within in a year so trust and SE don't exactly go well together right now do they.
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Posted by max_wedge
I admit it will be interesting to see what shape this comes out in, and how close to the expected date it will actually be released.
Posted by BobaFett
"Windows Mobile 7 will ship in 2009, according to the document. This makes sense with the Mobile 6.1 point release that is coming around now. Hopefully, Bill Gates will announce Windows Mobile 7 at CES tonight, but if not, you now have advance notice of what is coming next year. Microsoft clearly has a lot planned to make Windows Mobile 7 the revolution it needs to be to compete with Apple, and Mobile 7 is going to bring some cool and excitement to Microsoft’s smart phones."
http://microsoft.blognewschan[....]-on-touch-and-motion-gestures/
Posted by londonlad123
According to one of the youtube videos, getting the device quickly to the market was one of the reasons they chose to use Wm. That either means that its not far from ready or uiq4 (the other option) is even further off than we think. And its not as if they are rewriting the whole thing from scratch. Oct/nov seems reasonable IMO.
Posted by max_wedge
On 2008-02-17 00:47:47, BobaFett wrote:
"Windows Mobile 7 will ship in 2009, according to the document. This makes sense with the Mobile 6.1 point release that is coming around now. Hopefully, Bill Gates will announce Windows Mobile 7 at CES tonight, but if not, you now have advance notice of what is coming next year. Microsoft clearly has a lot planned to make Windows Mobile 7 the revolution it needs to be to compete with Apple, and Mobile 7 is going to bring some cool and excitement to Microsoft’s smart phones."
http://microsoft.blognewschan[....]-on-touch-and-motion-gestures/
It does sound exciting, but with MS one always waits before getting too excited lest one be disappointed! WinFS in Vista anyone? Or the Aero interface that will only run on a quadcore with 8GB ram and 1GB video ram? (little exaggeration there)
But it does sound good, it's about time WM UI got some invigoration. Don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of WM, but it lacks some of the gloss and polish of s60 and UIQ and definitely falls way behind the iphone in visual appeal. A nice finger touch interface for WM is due now.
Posted by makbil
On 2008-02-17 00:15:33, Mizzle wrote:
Trust me, they've done lots and lots of tests with the hardware...
You mean unlike the P990 this time SE is actually testing this device
That is definitely a step in the right direction, though HTC probably did most of the hw testing anyway.
I agree with the view that SE chose WM for speed (and marketing in the US). They should not be venturing into new territory with Symbian 9.5/UIQ4 just yet, another disaster after the P990 would have been very bad for SE.
Posted by clauf
On 2008-02-17 02:51:20, makbil wrote:
On 2008-02-17 00:15:33, Mizzle wrote:
Trust me, they've done lots and lots of tests with the hardware...
You mean unlike the P990 this time SE is actually testing this device
That is definitely a step in the right direction, though HTC probably did most of the hw testing anyway.
I agree with the view that SE chose WM for speed (and marketing in the US). They should not be venturing into new territory with Symbian 9.5/UIQ4 just yet, another disaster after the P990 would have been very bad for SE.
Which may be also why Sony Ericsson won't release their product in Windows Mobile 7. I would use reliable technology (not that Windows Mobile is THAT stable) and building on top of it rather than being Microsoft's guinea pig for Windows Mobile 7 or UIQ/Symbian perhaps.
Posted by max_wedge
WM7 is too far away for X1 (middle next year).
It's a myth imho that WM has to be unstable. Stability comes down to how well the os is integrated with hardware and branding. For instance I've found HP WM mobiles to be much more stable than XDA WM mobiles. HP is a company with a reputation for good quality hardware. So is SE.
Personally I would rate a good example of a WM mobile just as stable as a good example of UIQ or s60.
In cases of UIQ platforms with stability problems this is usually down to SE not giving enough CPU power to the product. The X1 has a 528MHz cpu and 128MB RAM, I expect it will run more than adequately with WM6. The question is, why can't SE give it's UIQ platforms such good processor support
Posted by thecell
i think its not a big problem X1 use wm 6, if it upgradeable to wm 7 later
Posted by famous12
i just cant wait for UIQ 4 with new UI...the one thats in the UIQ presentation slideshow....any ideas when its going to come out ?
Posted by razec
On 2008-02-17 04:11:25, max_wedge wrote: The question is, why can't SE give it's UIQ platforms such good processor support
this could be the reason:
-CPU/GPUs utilizable for Symbian devices are mainly freescale, nexperia, TI-OMAP with PowerVR SGX and ATI 2300(GPU).
-CPUs/GPUs utilizable for WM devices were TI-OMAP, Qualcomm, intel, samsung, PowerVR, ATI and Nvidia.
Posted by mario2004
On 2008-02-17 00:15:33, Mizzle wrote:
Trust me, they've done lots and lots of tests with the hardware. The public has only been allowed to see a percentage of the phone, and only parts of the XPERIA panels.
'Trust me, . . ' - You must be jocking
Posted by tonchy
@mizzle
Is X1 gonna ship with with WM 7? can you point to where you got that information please?
From what we saw so far:
- SE representatives said WM6 on the show.
- Leaked pictures said WM 6.1
But from there, to jump to WM7 is a bit pretentious, isn't it? please can mizzle or anyone with some information on the subject clarify this? thanks
Posted by deasine
On 2008-02-17 04:11:25, max_wedge wrote:
WM7 is too far away for X1 (middle next year).
It's a myth imho that WM has to be unstable. Stability comes down to how well the os is integrated with hardware and branding. For instance I've found HP WM mobiles to be much more stable than XDA WM mobiles. HP is a company with a reputation for good quality hardware. So is SE.
Personally I would rate a good example of a WM mobile just as stable as a good example of UIQ or s60.
In cases of UIQ platforms with stability problems this is usually down to SE not giving enough CPU power to the product. The X1 has a 528MHz cpu and 128MB RAM, I expect it will run more than adequately with WM6. The question is, why can't SE give it's UIQ platforms such good processor support
Wow really... I haven't used any Windows Mobile phone so my knowledge is pretty hazy in that field - but I didn't know stability depended on the brand.
Posted by Mizzle
Mario,
Why on earth would I be joking?
@tonchy
No, it'll be WM 6.x - preferably 6.1.
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Posted by NightBlade
On 2008-02-17 10:04:34, Mizzle wrote:
Mario,
Why on earth would I be joking?
He means that we couldn't do else but trust you.
(no sarcasm)
Posted by mode
@Mizzle
I trust you
Posted by Tigershark42
I hope X1 will be released with WM7 preinstalled once that comes out. TBH I wouldn't buy the X1 with WM6.1 unless I knew that I could have WM7 on it once available because it looks many times more useable than WM6.1 does. It shouldnt be a problem in my view as the X1 will be available around September/October (at least I think thats what is being said) and WM7 devices are said to be shipping late 2008/early2009. Given those approximations, and how close those dates could potentially be, it would be an appalling contingency plan if the X1 could not upgrade to the new WM (I dont know why they dont just release it slightly later with WM7 installed and thats it). But as far as we know at the moment its WM6.1 .
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Posted by deasine
On 2008-02-17 19:23:28, Tigershark42 wrote:
I hope X1 will be released with WM7 preinstalled once that comes out. TBH I wouldn't buy the X1 with WM6.1 unless I knew that I could have WM7 on it once available because it looks many times more useable than WM6.1 does. It shouldnt be a problem in my view as the X1 will be available around September/October (at least I think thats what is being said) and WM7 devices are said to be shipping late 2008/early2009. Given those approximations, and how close those dates could potentially be, it would be an appalling contingency plan if the X1 could not upgrade to the new WM (I dont know why they dont just release it slightly later with WM7 installed and thats it). But as far as we know at the moment its WM6.1 .
[ This Message was edited by: Tigershark42 on 2008-02-17 18:30 ]
Well remember the X1 is suppoesd to have the Xperia Sony Ericsson User Interface - not windows. The panel system seemed very usable to me.
Microsoft is prone to delays so I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't have Windows Mobile 7 ready next year.
Posted by Tigershark42
True, but its doubtful that the Xperia UI will COMPLETELY overlay the WM interface. If it does, then there shouldnt be a need for an upgrade to the OS, as the interface is the major change in WM7 (if you exclude the rumoured gesture control, and programme improvements, which is an obvious development).
Posted by Astral1
Reading between the lines, i believe we're gonna get a 6.5. maybe with some of 7's feature list.
On one of the presentation vids, the guy showing off the x1 deffinately says youll be able to use hand gestures with the phone.
Mizzle is almost, but not quite saying this (6.5), but is obviously in a being watched position.
If it was 6.1 why wont they release it earlier? it is known to be on the phone, and if SE have tested the hardware, then it must be in a pretty solid state. The OS, and the hardware, that is.
Posted by Tigershark42
Good point. And I hope you are right. But weren't those leaked photos evidence that it will be 6.1? Eldar said '6.5'. Maybe what is meant by those in the know is that 6.1 doesnt offer too much in the way of improvement, but the SE UI together with this makes for a much better all round package. I remember Mizzle saying that not all of the hardware had been shown. This does imply gesture control or something of the like. Conversely, WM6.1 is only meant to offer slight tweaks to WM6, if rumours are anything to go by. This accounts for changes in the UI from a visual, navigation and feature point of view but the introduction of something like gesture control seems abit much as a 'tweak'. I sooooo hope I am wrong though
Speaking of OSs, what of the UIQ4? Is there any news about that (eg confirmation that it is being developed, or that it will be announced this year)?
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Posted by clauf
Don't know if some of you have saw this video yet, but somehow InfoSync world was able to have the X1 on their hands at the 3GSM Conference (when other phone reviewers couldn't get their hands on it because only Sony Ericsson staff could use it)
http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/9017.html
Posted by famous12
On 2008-02-18 01:42:33, clauf wrote:
Don't know if some of you have saw this video yet, but somehow InfoSync world was able to have the X1 on their hands at the 3GSM Conference (when other phone reviewers couldn't get their hands on it because only Sony Ericsson staff could use it)
http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/9017.html
if that guy was really from infosync then he could have dug deeper into the phone...im sure that guy is from SE and the audio is from infosync.
Posted by Wild Child
I'll be getting it when it is available as well as the c902. That's all I can say...lol
WC
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
What I reckon is that the prototype X1s we've all seen pictures of were running WM 6.1. Thats for sure. But I think the reason SE were so defensive about people touching them and finding out which version they run was because it will be changed by production.
See, having WM 6.1 will put some people off because it's not the latest and greatest. So SE might lose sales there for no reason because they could be putting a later version on the device.
I think 6.1 was put on just so they had at least something to show at the announcement. I think we will see a later version when it is finally released for sale. Of course, I am just speculating... Speculating smart.
Posted by Astral1
Its a a shame the main source of info (PK) has been hounded out of the thread, cos he gives many clues if you read between his lines! hehe.
This girl is looking like my next phone, subject to future announcements, so I'm looking for all the info i can get.
Its looking very promising so far. . . . . . . . .
No disrespect to Mizzle, he's a great source of info, he's just more subtle than PK. hehe
Stay happy, people.
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Posted by Mizzle
It's not WM7.
has clearly said that it's running "Windows Mobile 6", and not WM 6.0 or WM 6.1. Which is more than understandable seeing that the OS is not yet announced.
Posted by bavlondon2
Its a shame it couldnt incorporate that nw Nvidea chip.
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=1dEa4j5PIhM&feature=related
Posted by armani-ax
software version and hardware.
http://bp0.blogger.com/_h5hOm[....]Avzk/nFWsAPMBqCo/s1600-h/x.jpg
Posted by C905
On 2008-02-18 11:49:02, armani-ax wrote:
software version and hardware.
http://bp0.blogger.com/_h5hOm[....]Avzk/nFWsAPMBqCo/s1600-h/x.jpg
pic has been posted before
Posted by bavlondon2
I think thats already been posted. I wish this device was WM7 it looks so fresh and media centric.
Posted by armani-ax
the firmware can be upgraded to wm7 when its released
Posted by G-Izzat
On 2008-02-18 11:58:02, armani-ax wrote:
the firmware can be upgraded to wm7 when its released
Are you sure about that, mate?
Posted by bavlondon2
Yeah you sure about that armani?
WM7 devices arnt even meant to come out till 2009.
Posted by armani-ax
yeh i think so i remember reading it somewhere before
you should be able to upgrade it though coz its a firmware.. any firmware can be upgraded right?
i'll find out more info on it and let you's know !!
Posted by bavlondon2
Youre not talking about a firmware update your talking about an entire OS update. Judging form the looks of WM7 i doubt they would allow it to be recieved via an update, that would be too easy.
Unless you have a link that says otherwise (which if you do I apologise for now) then id say your taling 100% crap..
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Posted by armani-ax
you can upgrade from WM5 to WM6
"upgrade existing devices with Windows Mobile 5.0 to Windows Mobile 6"
http://www.microsoft.com/pres[....]/feb07/02-11WM6SoftwarePR.mspx
correct me if im wrong but in my opinion you should me able to upgrade from WM6 to WM7 then.
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Not when SE have messed about with the Windows software. Upgrades are device-dependent.
Posted by armani-ax
according to the information which i found
your phone provider needs to release the upgrade
http://www.europe.htc.com/en/press/latestnews.html
if htc can do it.. then so can se
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
I honestly don't think SE would.
Posted by bavlondon2
Yeah me neither. That would be like Nokia releasding FP2 for all FP1 users.
Posted by armani-ax
i dnt knw
only time will tell
but we all are still gna get this fone
Posted by BobaFett
so 6.1 is the winner?
Posted by drgopoos
http://www.gsmarena.com/xperia_x1_runs_on_windows_61-news-441.php
Was this posted here before ?????
anyway its about wm6.1 being used in this handset
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Posted by hgautam
In pic below, is the button on the left side of the X1 for changing the views between vertical and horizontal???
Posted by Jah
X1 - probably using WM 6.x where x>0.1
X2 - probably using WM7
By the time the X1 is available the h/w will not be bleeding edge and so a refresh will be needed and 6-8 months seems about right. SE need two high-end devices at any time if they are going to be a leader like Nokia in the long term.
Posted by Tigershark42
On 2008-02-18 07:14:38, Mizzle wrote:
It's not WM7.
has clearly said that it's running "Windows Mobile 6", and NOT WM 6.0 OR WM 6.1. Which is more than understandable seeing that the OS is not yet announced.
'The fact of the matter is that the handset carries the OS version that is to come after WM 6.1 (which is demoed at this 3GSM too, being hyped as some sort of a breakthrough, while in fact it is not– its change log is about one page long, of course if you omit all tiny and insignificant details).' -Eldar Murtazin
'It is important to note that WM 6.5 (a name I made up a second ago just for convenience – this OS has a different index and codename) is the biggest overhaul of the WM interface over the past years, as it introduces gesture-based navigation, revamped music and video players, support for 3D accelerators and several other amenities. Those who will be lucky enough to bump into a Sony Ericsson’s manager carrying the XPERIA X1 and persuade him to demo it will be able to see some of its features in action, and the truth is, they look pretty good.' -Eldar Murtazin
Sounds very good to me >D
Posted by joyo22
It runs windows mobile 6.1, period! Visit GSMArena.com to check the news and the proof of it!
Posted by Tigershark42
That is based on the photos, the photos themselves could just be tests, I cant say for certain myself. But both of those quoted above are highly credible sources. GSM arena is going on an unknown source.
As evidence of this (as I see it): it was told at MWC that the X1 would feature gesture control. This is not a function on WM6.1, as far as I am aware. Therefore it should be a revamped OS.
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