Posted by Astral1
i know the photo evidence says winmo 6.1,
but i thought part of the reason for the long release date was because MS were working on an interim winmo (6.5?) for this phone.
Kinda like a halfway house between 6.1 and 7?
Maybe i read and believe too much!
Posted by Crumcon
folks, if you dont want to buy this phone cause its missing something you wants. just dont buy it. just wait for your ideal phone.
is simple as that.
im just in luv with phone. first communicator that actually fits in my jeans pocket
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Posted by Mizzle
Some Sony batteries can be used in SE phones. Also note the name of the battery; BST-41.
Posted by Tigershark42
1500mAh!!!
That should make for some looong battery life
Posted by gola
acknowledged
Posted by Zzzyzx
I don't know but when this phone was announced, for me I wasn't as excited as when the w960 was announced.
Few things they should have included or considered in XPERIA
- memory. It could have been at least a gigabyte.
- camera could have been at least 5MP.
- they could have adopted the Walkman Touch Player from the w960. sure it runs on UIQ and since this phone is running on windows mobile, they could have made a Windows Media Player and Walkman Player hybrid. That would be hot!
Posted by BobaFett
u cant have everything... they should mess up a smartfone with w feature imo, its way too "big" for that and not really handy to listen to music. also 5mp isnt a must for smart fones, for that take the k or the coming c series. but i agree, that more memory would have been welcome
Posted by Crumcon
On 2008-02-16 13:55:59, Zzzyzx wrote:
I don't know but when this phone was announced, for me I wasn't as excited as when the w960 was announced.
Few things they should have included or considered in XPERIA
- memory. It could have been at least a gigabyte.
- camera could have been at least 5MP.
- they could have adopted the Walkman Touch Player from the w960. sure it runs on UIQ and since this phone is running on windows mobile, they could have made a Windows Media Player and Walkman Player hybrid. That would be hot!
Touch Walkman player is included check the official render pics or the live video. one of the XPERIA panel has WALKMAN Player Touch
Posted by mib1800
Well seems like the WM home screen is still there. So the 9 panels eye-candy is just a app launcher and not a shell that replace the WM desktop.
Posted by Crumcon
On 2008-02-16 14:52:54, mib1800 wrote:
Well seems like the WM home screen is still there. So the 9 panels eye-candy is just a app launcher and not a shell that replace the WM desktop.
The panels are group of 9 desktops. Each dekstop has their own purpose, that means you could activate one of the them depensing on the situation you in.
if you're chillin, you activate the media desktop. you're at your college u activate the apps destop, you want to surt the net? activate the the Internet desktop. etc etc etc.
Posted by laffen
@Crumcon
X1 will not have a Walkman Player installed. Only the Windows Media Player.
Posted by mobse
@ laffen
so, no TrackId I guess?
Posted by Dogmann
Hi all,
Well from those spy shots it appears it uses 41.97mb Ram just to load up and if you seriously think a 1500aMh Battery is going to last as long in a WM device as in a Symbian devcie you are going to be in for a nasty shock.
As to start with it alreday needs a 520mhz processor to run it which will use more power as well as that nice large 3" screen @800x480 which is also going to consume lots of power to, so it will indeed be interesting to see exactly what battery life the X1 gives once out in the real world with real usage.
Unless of course your all going to start suggesting turning off 3G and lowering the screen brightness to make it last longer again which defeats the whole purpose of upping the spec's in the first place doesn't it?
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Posted by Mizzle
Marc,
May I remind you that you have no clue about how many applications could be running in the background? I can think of one already, and that's the XPERIA panels application, which doesn't seem like a light application.
Posted by Vipera ammodytes
haha this dogmann is pathetic.
he search coat in the egg
dont be nervous, its not good for your health
chill out!
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Posted by hahaha112
isnt Xperia supposed to be
's answer to an superphone...
then why only 3.2 mp, 400 mb, 65k why not millions
is my life
I
960i
I
Metal
is not phone, it is the style of life
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Posted by deuxani
Very small!
Posted by Crumcon
small and slim
Posted by Dogmann
@Mizzle
In none of those pictures does it show the Xperia panels running just Windows Mobile 6.1 is all that is showing, unless you have pictures of evidence that proves otherwise that appears to be exactly as it is and i wonder just how much Ram all those pretty interfaces will use as well?
@Vipera ammodytes
Sorry but it's you that appears to be both pathetic and lacking in intelligence as what you say doesn't even make any sense except maybe i your feeble mind.
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Posted by Mizzle
Dogmann,
True, but it doesn't show that they're not running either.
Posted by gola
the black x1 looks so much better.
Posted by Bouncemaster
WM 6.1 not UIQ, i wont be touching it with a barge pole, slower more prone to crashing, I'll stick to my P1 thanks and UIQ.
If they did a UIQ version then i would be more than interested.
Posted by DragonEye
1500 mah means it'll get through the day on heavy usage... what more can you honeslty ask for? it's unreasonable to ask for a smartphone to go 3 days on heavy usage... it won't be terrible like n95 it'll be along the lines of e61i, e90 and p1i etc..etc...
the only go thing about wm is that you can always go up to newer versions.. so even if it's at 6.1 now.. you can easily go up tp 6.5 and 7 etc..etc.. and the xperia panel thing will have no issues since it's pretty much just a pretty skin interface
On 2008-02-16 07:08:31, mario2004 wrote:
Hmmm. . . Nice TyTN clone. Let's hope, SE will do better then with the P990i. Just as much hype thou. Why anounce a device at the begin of '08 if it only comes out at Christmas
meh don't troll.. nokia's n96 is due q3 as well..
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Posted by londonlad123
That's a good point, you can always upgrade to the latest wm os. Though I do hope its very finger friendly to begin with and doesnt need much tweaking.
Battery should be fine since the latest os is more power efficient and the battery is a larger capacity.
Any pics of the dialpad? I seriously hope se skin the whole os.
Posted by tonchy
On 2008-02-16 09:42:09, Mikele wrote:
tonchy, X1 have Motion sensor (with UI auto-rotate).... Look at GSM Arena...
It does not have Accelerometer. it might rotate the UI when u open or close the phone but accelerometer is a whole different motion sensor.
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Posted by laurenke01
On 2008-02-16 22:06:20, DragonEye wrote:
the only go thing about wm is that you can always go up to newer versions.. so even if it's at 6.1 now.. you can easily go up tp 6.5 and 7 etc..etc.. and the xperia panel thing will have no issues since it's pretty much just a pretty skin interface
Not necessarily. It all depends on whether the newer versions of WM will use similar hardware.
For example, WM2003 devices were unable to be upgraded to WM5 because WM5 introduced softkeys that WM2003 lacked. WM5 could be upgraded to WM6 because it used the same hardware buttons.
WM7 is a different ballgame and may not be compatible with current WM6 phones. And even if it is, it's up to SE to actually provide the update (or your carrier if applicable).
Posted by BobaFett
sadly its not alwasy possible to upgrade the latest wm edition, got a trinity here, officially wm6 awsnt released for it, so i use a coocked rom. works fine, its like the generic one, but still just another rom.
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Posted by clauf
On 2008-02-16 22:20:37, tonchy wrote:
On 2008-02-16 09:42:09, Mikele wrote:
tonchy, X1 have Motion sensor (with UI auto-rotate).... Look at GSM Arena...
I does not have Accelerometer. it might rotate the UI when u open or close the phone but accelerometer is a whole different motion sensor.
When you slide the keyboard out, it rotates. There is also a screen orientation key on the bottom right of the phone for switching between landscape and portait.
Posted by BobaFett
thats normal on every htc fones, also non keypad fones have got the rotate feature, which is very useful, for example at navigation
Posted by tonchy
Exactly that is why i said no accelerometer.
On 2008-02-16 08:15:42, tonchy wrote:
Xperia X1 is only a MARKETING move (smart IMO)... please get that.
It is like the adopted brother in the
family (not saying there is anything wrong with being adopted) :
- No Sony M2 support
- No Cybershot camera
- No Walkman music player
- No Bravia screen
- No Fastport connector
- No shake me or sense me or accelerometer, etc..
The only thing that makes me recongnize it is a
phone is the fact that 8 months will have to go by between announcement and release, and ok, maybe the arc sliding design as well, coz i usually like SE's designs (but i think there was already a slider in an arc shape, right? the banana phone from moto remember?)
cheers.... still waiting for the P5i and the new FW for my great k850i.
I
SE...but i like to keep it real. 
Posted by Dogmann
Hi all,
I do believe that Mizzle informed us that the delay was not down to SE but due to SE having to wait on Microsoft to finish and release the OS didn't he? So maybe he is the one that you should be asking what version of WM it will be running, although if he can divulge this information or not is a different matter.
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Posted by BobaFett
imo se wanted to pop up with sg great, actaully, they did it. here we have sg new, interesting and exciting, but to show around a proto, make se fans the feeling again, that se is able to create sg useful, not only cheap midrange devices and then tell them : u can have this in 1 years, thats not fair... they should have wait monthes ansd show it weeks before the launch. now we just sit and wait and hope, that on some way htc can offer a wm os for it, that se can manage the right fw and so on... one co. is pointing on the other, thats all atm
Posted by Mizzle
First of all Dogmann, there is NO delay. Sony Ericsson has said it's going to be launched in 2nd half of 2008, which is still 4+ months to go. So, where's the delay, if you don't mind me asking? I've always thought to delay somethig was "to cause to be later or slower than expected or desired". No?
Also, as you might have noticed, Microsoft has yet to announce the OS, and everything else is done on the phone. SE has pretty finished up their touch on the OS, the hardware is pretty much done as well, with a few exceptions like the battery, so all that's needed is for Microsoft to announce it and finish it.
Posted by BobaFett
but if se is almost ready, why to wait so long? why dont they launch it with wm6 and later ppl can upgarde it...
Posted by Mizzle
Or they could wait some months and be the first or one of the first on the market with the new OS.
Posted by BobaFett
i dont think so... htc devices have got more experineces with wm os, why microsoft risk a brnad new wm in a device, which is first on its own?
Posted by Dogmann
@Mizzle
Sorry but the place i got the idea of the delay was from you when you said
"Posted: 2008-02-14 00:46
Dogmann,
First of all, a small welcome and a big farewell for when you'll be leaving... again.
What's better about E90 than X1? Oh, and just so you know. It's not SE's fault the device won't come out soon. It's Microsoft's fault, and it all depends on when they'll announce the OS. Which was also why didn't state Q3 / Q4, but instead did a "2nd half 2008" statement."
Not coming out soon is another way of saying it is not ready and will be delayed is it not?
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Posted by Mizzle
Most definitely not. If you say that "not coming out soon" is the same as "delayed", then there's something wrong with your general understanding of words and their meaning. Delayed means that something that was scheduled for something at time A, won't be able to make it to time A, but instead time B.
Posted by BobaFett
http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/delay
Posted by Mizzle
to put it short, and make it understandable for you, if something is delayed, it has to be due an expected time. And being that the expected time is anywhere from 4 to 10 months, I wouldn't exactly call it a delay.
Definition:
1. To postpone until a later time; defer.
2. To cause to be later or slower than expected or desired: Heavy traffic delayed us.
Posted by BobaFett
@mizzle
"Also, as you might have noticed, Microsoft has yet to announce the OS, and everything else is done on the phone. SE has pretty finished up their touch on the OS, the hardware is pretty much done as well, with a few exceptions like the battery, so all that's needed is for Microsoft to announce it and finish it."
is this official or u just heard around at your insiders?
Posted by Mizzle
@Boba
Is that even a serious question? Obviously, every one should know the answer to that.
Posted by michka
@ mizzle You said:
I've always thought to delay somethig was "to cause to be later or slower than expected or desired".
So yes it is delayed, as it should already be in my pocket!
Posted by BobaFett
what i rwas reading about xperia and watching those vids, imo i saw a half way proto device, nothing pointed, that se is "almost" done with it...
Posted by Mizzle
Boba,
What did you find not being finished or very close to being finished, apart from the software?
Posted by BobaFett
my point is, that all i saw mostly the same desktop pix, nothing more. it do reminds me on
quartz for example, but it was more or less working. ot the other :: protos. how can se say, that the hw is ready, if they didnt even had the chance to test it with the os? then what do they test and how?
Posted by Mizzle
Trust me, they've done lots and lots of tests with the hardware. The public has only been allowed to see a percentage of the phone, and only parts of the XPERIA panels.
Posted by BobaFett
its not the qusetion of trust, more of i am curious... why dont they show more? and again, how are they able to test the hw, if there is no fw/os? or they tested it with wm6? if yes, that doesnt mean, thatwm7 will run smooth aswell. its sg really new, more os in one device. so the hw has to be tested really hard, otherwise se will stay there really stupid at the ned, if the hw/fw wont work fine together
Posted by Mizzle
On 2008-02-17 00:19:06, BobaFett wrote:
its not the qusetion of trust, more of i am curious... why dont they show more? and again, how are they able to test the hw, if there is no fw/os? or they tested it with wm6? if yes, that doesnt mean, thatwm7 will run smooth aswell. its sg really new, more os in one device. so the hw has to be tested really hard, otherwise se will stay there really stupid at the ned, if the hw/fw wont work fine together
Tell me, why should they publicly showcase an operating system that has yet to be announced????
Posted by BobaFett
i get your point, but for god sake, why not to launch it with wm6 then? just imagine, they would have released it now, then lets say soon p5, that would hve been a big step for se, cos nokia is coming and coming every month with new smartfone. lets say its microsofts fault and they agreed with se, that wm7 will be out sooner, se is waiting and waiting... microsoft dont gives a rotten shit of se, only cos of one device, thye wont hurry up. if it would be for htc and they wait with 6 or more newdevices, thats another story. htc is good money for ms, xperia is just one device...
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