Posted by jakontil
but still it's always off topi, or may be one should start a new thread,
anyway that's just about it, could anyone confirm if X1 uses the flushed screen?
Posted by islandprd
Yeah what a pity. 57 pages and lots of bickering. Blame it on few Nub Cakes distracting people from finding real info
Anyone know what happen to the walkie talkie of patented Xperia function?
Posted by franique
dis lil devil is soooooo cool! havent been online for the past few days and kinda outdated on stuff. lolz. nways, i was utterly surprised (and frenzy at the same time) when i first saw this phone on the NEWS section of this site. wicked phone!! and i do feel like upgrading my K850i to this baby but then, the camera has only 3.2mp. or else i should jz keep em both. lolz. anyone knows the price range and when the release date is?
Posted by plankgatan
why must all Nokia fanboys complain about this lovely phone ????
HTC there, HTC here....who cares ????? its a
phone with Windows features.
this is a
forum, so if you only looking for problems, stay away...he he he
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Posted by mode
It is a cute devil isn't it? It would be released sometime after the 2nd half of 2008 with a 700-800 euro price tag
Posted by ashyk36
why is evryone waiting for the p5 like its going to be amazing. m600i was rubish, p1i was a little better but not that much, and now everyone waiting for the p5i, i cant understand it.
Posted by Dogmann
@plankgatan
I suggest you read this thread where it was SE UIQ fans that were so happy to point out all the shortcomings of WM devices not Nokia fans as you like to try and point out and can be found here.
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=160084&start=0
The only person whose position has remained constant is Boinng and a few others the rest of the SE fans all appear to be a bunch of Hypocrites as usual if it's not SE it's rubbish or not needed but as soon as it appears with an SE badge it's the best thing ever, it's just so funny to watch it's unbelievable just how transparent some SE fans are.
@all
First we have to actually see what SE mange to deliver as opposed to what they promise as that has a nasty habit of not being the same thing. The other thing is this devcies is so far off we need to see what it will be up against by the time it actually reaches the market.
As if anyone believes no other manufacturers will have new devcies coming in the next 8-9 months they are not facing up to reality. so how ever good the X1 is who knows what the competition will come up with by then. Toshiba are alreday launching two new devcies expected next month and i would imagine again new devcies by the time the X1 arrives not forgetting what HTC and all the other far more experienced WM Manufacturers will also come up with it isn't all going to be left to the X1 in that time frame you can count on that and that's just the WM competition not even counting Symbian the market leaders either.
Also sorry but this belief some of you have that SE are just the best company that always produce the best devices with the best spec' and UI is just not backed up by the sales figures is it. Which is why SE is still only fourth with less than 10% market share and surely if they were just so brilliant and there devcies so great they would of increased far more by now shouldn't they?
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Posted by max_wedge
not all of us are saying these are necessatily the best devices. We are just saying we like 'em. You and many others seem to be saying that if something isn't the BEST in a category then it's pants. Personally I don't care tha much if SE is the BEST or not on a technical sliding scale of gadgetry. It's more about formfactor, UI and overall design for some of us.
For example it's true that there are many HTC's tha offer reasonable competition to X1 (that are already available) however I find the X1 much more appealing than any Windows Mobile to date. This is to do with general styling, slightly improved design of the horizontal slide formfactor, an undoubtedly better camera than 90% of HTC's out there (not better specs, but better actual quality - for example my HP has a 1.3MP camera but it's far worse than my K700 VGA in picture quality), finger touchscreen which even by the X1 release will still be rare (even if Nokia touch beats X1 to market), UI layout and design.
These are things that aren't classed in "better or worse" they are just things that are different for each person. Those of us here who like the X1, and the G series are ecstatic because SE has responded to market pressure to innovate, not with the inclusion of the latest and greatest high tech specifications (aka N95), but in terms that involve finesse and style.
Maybe you don't agree with SE sense of style, but that's alright. Many of us however like SE Styling, not because we are "blind fanboys" but just because we like it (sense of style is personal and there is no right or wrong) and to see that style extended to the WM platform is really exciting.
(style includes UI design, ergonomics philosophy, formfactor and styling cues unique to SE)
Posted by mode
@Marc
You are so very bitter, have you read your posts lately? Calm down a bit and enjoy what you have. So what if the X1 is outdated by the time it comes out? If people are content, so be it why do you have to spoil it for them. You can't change people's choices or what they want to believe, be rest assured there will always be hypocrites in any forum that supports their product of choice. I'm not happy with everything that's been announced, but it's a time to rejoice, SE has been behind for so long and at least, they have almost caught up or are at par with the rest at the time being. They are on the verge of revolutionizing touchscreen by incorporating it to the midrange candybars and who knows, at entry level one day. I'm concerned about 8 months down the line too but lighten up because it's just not worth the nose bleed to get too worked up on something that hasn't happened
Posted by Lordmike
Lets just hope its not slow like HTC Wizard, tytn etc etc. Answering a call can take up to 10 seconds if I run low on ram. Same with disconnecting a call which has sometimes taken up to 15 seconds.
I love my HTC phones, but I want it to work fast and actually use the hardware properly.
Xperia X1 looks like it can compete with HTC on Windows Mobile market. We will see when it arrives and we install 3-6 SPB products on it etc.
Posted by Arne Anka
On 2008-02-15 02:16:08, BobaFett wrote:
so all i wanna say is, that as mentioned here so many times, its a really interesting device, but it smells already now a bit outdated, now imagine that in 6 month...
and what exactly do you expect will come in 6 month that has never ever been seen before and that will make everybody drop their chin ?
Posted by makbil
@tonchy, agree 100% with you. X1 is a marketing move. Still waiting to see what SE will offer in the next "P" series.
Posted by Hobbs
Anyone care for a Valium.hee hee
Posted by whentheleveebreaks
On 2008-02-15 12:05:54, Arne Anka wrote:
On 2008-02-15 02:16:08, BobaFett wrote:
so all i wanna say is, that as mentioned here so many times, its a really interesting device, but it smells already now a bit outdated, now imagine that in 6 month...
and what exactly do you expect will come in 6 month that has never ever been seen before and that will make everybody drop their chin ?
what about 6 months after that though? it could be easily outdated by then
Posted by Arne Anka
On 2008-02-15 12:31:45, whentheleveebreaks wrote:
what about 6 months after that though? it could be easily outdated by then
and what about 18 month, 24 month or why not 10 years after that.
Its not like X1 is the last phone SE will ever make.
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Of course it's going to be outdated in a years time. You can't buy a phone and expect it to always be the best. Hell, on Esato most members seem to update their phone every couple of months! Most manufacturers have at least a month or two gap between announcement and release so if the X1 is out in 6 months, maybe rivals will have been announce but it's not too likely they will be released BEFORE the X1. Phones take a while to develop!
Posted by himlims_nl
this tread is growing faster than me on an overdosis viagra
Posted by whentheleveebreaks
Posted by Dogmann
@Mode
Sorry to disappoint you but i am not bitter just trying to give some a reality check on what the real situation is as opposed to this anything with an SE badge is always the best BS.
As yes i really have a dislike and lack of respect for people who up till Monday have criticised WM heavily as being horrible slow crap etc and all of a sudden are now saying just how great it is.
Look back through the Forum and you will see even though personally i am not a fan of WM i still managed to agree with Boinng on the positives of WM6 and his TyTN. So as i always said there is no perfect devcie for all only what is best for you, personally i would of rather of seen the P5 announced with a shorter time to launch but with similiarly beefed up spec's so perhaps i could of returned to UIQ and SE. Although personally that alone won't be enough for me to return to SE but that's another topic entirely.
Which after all was my favourite and most used OS right up to the UIQ3 disaster followed by SE's disgusting behaviour towards it's users. So sorry if you feel i am raining on peoples parade but 9 panels a user experience doesn't make and all those isn't it wonderful and amazing remarks are not worthy of all this excitement IMO.
I am not even that keen on Nokia's Touch UI either as am just not a Touchscreen fan any longer but that is way further ahead of what SE has shown so far although still a work in progress.
As i said I'm still hopeful the P5 may blow me away but WM and the X1 really doesn't do it for me in the slightest. How anyone can claim it is better than existing devcies and will blow everything else away at this stage is just without foundation. Sorry if reality and the truth is not what some want to hear but i call it as i see it not some fantasy version of reality.
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Posted by thecell
@max wedge
NICE POST !!!! Im agree with u , SE maybe not the best on selling, but for me SE the best to give good phone, much more than Nokias in all aspects.
Posted by famous12
On 2008-02-15 16:25:14, thecell wrote:
@max wedge
NICE POST !!!! Im agree with u , SE maybe not the best on selling, but for me SE the best to give good phone, much more than Nokias in all aspects.
i buy SE only because of its battery life and design..no other reason to be honest !
Posted by plankgatan
On 2008-02-15 16:25:14, thecell wrote:
@max wedge
NICE POST !!!! Im agree with u , SE maybe not the best on selling, but for me SE the best to give good phone, much more than Nokias in all aspects.
Swedish steel(design) beats everything...he he...just kidding.
i heard that Xperia will come with AGPS, is it the same GPS as w970 have ???
Posted by famous12
On 2008-02-15 17:40:55, plankgatan wrote:
On 2008-02-15 16:25:14, thecell wrote:
@max wedge
NICE POST !!!! Im agree with u , SE maybe not the best on selling, but for me SE the best to give good phone, much more than Nokias in all aspects.
Swedish steel(design) beats everything...he he...just kidding.
i heard that Xperia will come with AGPS, is it the same GPS as w970 have ???
w760i you mean ?
Posted by Tigershark42
It may not be worth getting the X1. Perhaps its worth waiting for WM7. Look at it:
http://www.gsmarena.com/hot_windows_mobile_7_insight-news-399.php
Looks to be the best OS EVER! Unless you can upgrade to it from WM6, its probably worth waiting for (bear in mind itll be H2 2008 by the time X1 is released anyway, so for a few months wait you can see what this is and perhaps make a MUCH better buy in the long run with the X2 on WM7
Posted by BobaFett
if xperia will be out in a half year, then they SHOULD launch it with wm7 imo or at least offet the chance for an upgrade
Posted by Tigershark42
I certainly hope so! But according to the same sources that provide such 'screenshots' itll be released at the beginning of 2009
Posted by BobaFett
well, the the chances to launch it with wm7 are better for u
BUT it will be a long wait for the xperia fans...
Posted by jakontil
WM7, that's it!
Posted by BobaFett
if they would put a better batt and rec icon ( that aerial icon is so crap imo ) it would look much better imo
Posted by mib1800
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On 2008-02-15 11:35:52, mode wrote:
SE has been behind for so long and at least, they have almost caught up or are at par with the rest at the time being.
By getting someone else (HTC) to do its dirty work? I doubt SE caught up much. At the end of the day X1 is HTC technology. And we WILL see the same piece of hardware that is the X1 being released by HTC at around the same time X1 comes on the market.
They are on the verge of revolutionizing touchscreen by incorporating it to the midrange candybars and who knows, at entry level one day.
I think "revolutionizing" is a bit of a overstatement. There are already many TS around like the Viewty and various Samsung CROIX based phones. And not to mention the Touch and iphone. All SE did was repackage the user unfriendly UIQ3 implemented in P1 into G-series together with all its goodies (like outdated hardware
).
And we know S60 Touch is coming very soon. And given Nokia smartphone volume, it will move much more TS than SE (maybe in the order of 10 to 1).
Posted by BobaFett
its like when
launched mc128, which was actually a psion, only with logo on it.
Posted by clauf
I wouldn't want it with Windows Mobile 7 honestly. WM7 uses much more power than W6 - it's obvious: the sensors of the phone will always be on in order to understand shake gestures. Sony Ericsson phones as of currently require some user activation to turn on the sensors. For instance, when fast fowarding songs on the Walkman, one must press and hold the Walkman button before shaking.
Posted by BobaFett
will xperia have the shake feature?
Posted by jakontil
may be with the integrity of Wm7, the shake feature will be possible?
Posted by BobaFett
no offence, why to put that silly shake feature in a smartfone?
Posted by mario2004
Hmmm. . . Nice TyTN clone. Let's hope, SE will do better then with the P990i. Just as much hype thou. Why anounce a device at the begin of '08 if it only comes out at Christmas
But then again, this is SE. I think HTC and the rest won't 'just sit around' for a year. Ofcourse Micro$$oft is the big winner - they are known for charging very high licence fees I still think the S60 (shortly with touch-screen) is a better option. At least Nokia's fees aren't so high.Ask Samsung and even LG
Posted by razec
On 2008-02-16 05:23:01, BobaFett wrote:
no offence, why to put that silly shake feature in a smartfone?
because it's a flagship... flagship phones always tend to be all in one
@mario:
regarding the silly "TyTn clone" thingy
anyway why did you say it's a TyTn clone? does X1 shares similar things with TyTn besides the sliding mechanism is a thing X1 shares with TyTn. i can't see any similarities after that
not to say X1 is slimmer and lighter than any TyTn around
assuming that your thoughts are right, then we should also call toshiba G900 a TyTn clone as well
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Posted by tranced
On 2008-02-16 07:19:58, razec wrote:
because it's a flagship... flagship phones always tend to be all in one
Too many cooks spoil the soup!
Posted by tonchy
Xperia X1 is only a MARKETING move (smart IMO)... please get that.
It is like the adopted brother in the
family (not saying there is anything wrong with being adopted) :
- No Sony M2 support
- No Cybershot camera
- No Walkman music player
- No Bravia screen
- No Fastport connector
- No shake me or sense me or accelerometer, etc..
The only thing that makes me recongnize it is a
phone is the fact that 8 months will have to go by between announcement and release, and ok, maybe the arc sliding design as well, coz i usually like SE's designs (but i think there was already a slider in an arc shape, right? the banana phone from moto remember?)
cheers.... still waiting for the P5i and the new FW for my great k850i.
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Posted by mib1800
SE is a traitor
finally succumbing to the temptation of the big bad innovation retard M.S. SE fans can happily wait for the X1 with its bloatware needing twice the cpu and battery power to do the same job.
On the flipside, it maybe a good thing as if you are small, options are limited so it may not be too bad to sleep with the big bad wolf since you have nothing much to lose.
Posted by Mikele
tonchy, X1 have Motion sensor (with UI auto-rotate).... Look at GSM Arena...
Posted by mode
On 2008-02-16 08:51:04, mib1800 wrote:
SE is a traitor
finally succumbing to the temptation of the big bad innovation retard M.S. SE fans can happily wait for the X1 with its bloatware needing twice the cpu and battery power to do the same job.
On the flipside, it maybe a good thing as if you are small, options are limited so it may not be too bad to sleep with the big bad wolf since you have nothing much to lose.
You look pretty much in a jovial mood now that SE's screwed up BIG time with X1, totally horrendous move in every way of course and will terribly cost them. And Nokia will reap the benefits. Another reason to rejoice, I'm happy for you, really.
Posted by mib1800
On 2008-02-16 10:56:22, mode wrote:
You look pretty much in a jovial mood now that SE's screwed up BIG time with X1, totally horrendous move in every way of course and will terribly cost them. And Nokia will reap the benefits. Another reason to rejoice, I'm happy for you, really.
No I am not.
On the contrary. The big bad wolf (bbw) has a track record of winning at any cost. Look at how it squash apple, Palm and netscape. You would think if the bbw wins then SE will benefit. Well, good luck to SE. It gonna need a lot of it.
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Posted by C905
On 2008-02-16 07:08:31, mario2004 wrote:
Hmmm. . . Nice TyTN clone. Let's hope, SE will do better then with the P990i. Just as much hype thou. Why anounce a device at the begin of '08 if it only comes out at Christmas
But then again, this is SE. I think HTC and the rest won't 'just sit around' for a year. Ofcourse Micro$$oft is the big winner - they are known for charging very high licence fees I still think the S60 (shortly with touch-screen) is a better option. At least Nokia's fees aren't so high.Ask Samsung and even LG
i don't think s60 touch will be much different from the non-touch s60. So i don't have high hopes for it. BUt i hope nokia will surprise me
Prety nice pics of X1
Finally a communicator (exept HTC phones) you can have with you in your pocket. I like the E90, but the it's very bulky and feels like a brick
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Posted by gola
SONY BATTERY
Posted by C905
On 2008-02-16 11:49:45, gola wrote:
SONY BATTERY
yeah i noticed that too
The screen is just superb
Posted by Mizzle
OH-OH! Pics of the specs leaked! Make sure to save that pic, folks!
Posted by mode
On 2008-02-16 11:10:18, mib1800 wrote:
No I am not.
On the contrary. The big bad wolf (bbw) has a track record of winning at any cost. Look at how it squash apple, Palm and netscape. You would think if the bbw wins then SE will benefit. Well, good luck to SE. It gonna need a lot of it. I'm confused. And your point is? Don't forget the Xperia series is not WM exclusive, a few months/years down the line there might be a UIQ variant as well. Sell out or strategy? Time will tell won't it?
Posted by G-Izzat
On 2008-02-16 11:49:45, gola wrote:
SONY BATTERY
You should notice that the word Prototype is written on the battery. The X1 looks stunning. Hopefully the performance will be stunning as well.