Sony Ericsson XPERIA X1 discussion

On 2009-03-06 13:18:01, Nitro Fan wrote:
Steve Bulmer of Microsoft has proved that hitched its wagon to the wrong horse with the X1..... no surprise to me though!

Courtesy PC Pro Magazine
"Steve Ballmer has tacitly conceded that Windows Mobile 6.5 is no match for the iPhone or Google Android.

Speaking at Microsoft's Public Sector CIO Summit in Redmond, Ballmer was put on the spot by a member of the audience, who questioned the company's mobile phone strategy.

"With platforms like the Google phone and iPhone coming out, it's really tough to continue to stand behind Windows Mobile when our employees are bringing these consumer devices into our environments," Chris Kemp, the CIO of NASA's Ames Research Center said to Ballmer, according to a report on TechFlash.

"I'm wondering what your commitment is to continuing to get newer versions of the operating system in our hands so that we don't have to fight this battle on the ground."

Ballmer admitted the company was falling behind its rivals. "We have a significant release coming this year," he said. "Not the full release we wanted to have this year but we have a significant release coming this year with Windows Mobile 6.5."

"But I think with Windows Mobile 6.5, there will be phones in market this year. We still don't get some of the things that people want on the highest-end phones. Those will come on Windows Mobile 7 next year.

On 2009-03-07 14:23:27, WhyBe wrote:

WM definitely needs to be brought up to par with the new OS'es user experience. But NitroFan, I don't understand how that Steve Ballmer quote equates to him conceding that WM is not a match for iPhone and Android. It simply states that WM6.5 doesn't include all of the features he would wish to have for a Microsoft high-end OS...we'll have to wait for WM7 for that to happen. This is in no way saying WM6.5 is "less-than" any other OS. WM is a very powerful and capable OS, just rough around the edges compared to the newer ones.

All of the shortcomings over the last few years of the "iPhone wanna-be's" is proof that throwing a hastily developed GUI shell onto some superior hardware does not make an iPhone killer. Android hasn't impressed thus far either. Apple has proven , that it takes some serious development time to make an OS as impressive as the iPhone OS, so I don't mind waiting for WM7 to be developed if that's what it takes for greatness. Also, you have to keep in mind, a large part of the success of iPhone isn't just the phone itself, it is the fact that it rides on the tail of the iPod/iTunes juggernaut. So a lot of it's success was built-in.

Nitro Fan wrote:
Hi WhyBe
When a high up at Microsoft says:-
Ballmer admitted the company was falling behind its rivals. "We have a significant release coming this year," he said. "Not the full release we wanted to have this year but we have a significant release coming this year with Windows Mobile 6.5." it does make ME wonder why settled for an ageing OS like Windows Mobile for what is supposed to be a flagship product! I do agree it is an expensive product but hardly cutting edge in any way IMHO.

You seem to be working on the assumption that the iPhone OS is the standard by which all else should be judged. I disagree I tried an iPhone for a week and found it sadly lacking in a whole raft of areas and the lack of handwriting recognition really shows up the device for the sham it is. and i am not alone I know of three Swedes who fell for the Apple iPhone 3G (SIC) marketing but will NOT be renewing their contacts!

On 2009-03-08 03:37:20, WhyBe wrote:

Maybe was allowed to see the roadmap for WM6.5 and WM7 when they were designing the X1



iPhone = "King of Features"...NO!
iPhone = "King of User Experience"...YES.

I personally like WM, notwithstanding all of its clunkiness, and all of the power it offers. But, playing with my brother's iPod Touch, I noticed the iPhone OS has this killer feature yet to be implemented in WM...when you press a button or icon, the iPhone does something instantaneously...no lag

It's a great feature once you've experienced it. Maybe MS will get it one day.

On 2009-03-08 09:52:44, Nitro Fan wrote:

Hi Whybe
Like so many others you are simply making a direct comparison between features and user experience.

I base my assessment of a device on its effectiveness in performing the tasks I require it to complete yet the iPhone failed time and time again.

I do not like the whole throw a finger around style of navigation its very simplistic in my view. As for not being able to put in a spare battery when its need is simply laughable and indicative of the whole Apple control freak mentality." Don't do what's clearly required do as we tell you"

I suspect quite a few people are already realising the "King actually has no clothes on"

On 2009-03-08 20:10:13, WhyBe wrote:

You'll have to admit that during certain times, using a finger to get things done is alot more convenient than stylus and menus. Of course, there are times where the stylus and complexity of menus serve a better purpose. I think the day-to-day real world activity is served better by the finger method though because it is quicker and more intuitive.
I've never owned a cellphone that needed a battery replacing. So, that feature is neither here nor there with me. My p910 went more than three years on the original battery with daily recharging.


Yes, most who haven't bought an iPhone have realized the King was naked all along.

Unfortunately, the King is still the King no matter how foolish he may be.

On 2009-03-10 19:21:28, xperia.x1 wrote:
please tell me what is the main problems on xperia x1?

On 2009-03-12 15:13:19, swat08 wrote:
any idea how to beam multiple files at once??

On 2009-03-11 04:36:29, WhyBe wrote:
WinMo needs updating...6.5 coming soon.

On 2009-03-12 02:25:34, WhyBe wrote:

@borisisinvin
I got a feeling, no matter what brand of phone you buy, you are going to have problems

Didn't we establish a while ago that you bought a lemon X1 ?

On 2009-03-12 21:00:26, doministry wrote:
@borisisinvin

Well, your wallet - your choice.
However, I have an Xperia for few months and it does what is supposed to do. Not beeing perfect of course, but that's how it is today.
It's still on FIRST FW. No cracks etc.

Also, remember Nokia - the "best" in your eyes - just made the worst manufactured device, 5800, with hardware and software flaws. No surprise they have to upgrade it.... Of course I'm a bit sarcastic,
but after P990 and P1 Xperia is the most reliable business device I had in years!
So, maybe your X1 is not lemon but you just don't understand it?
About cracks I'm sorry, but they can replace it.

On 2009-03-13 02:42:06, WhyBe wrote:
I wonder if people with cracked X1's wear tighter pants than others?

On 2009-03-13 00:06:08, giancito wrote:
xperia vs n97








more

http://dailymobile.se/2009/03[....]97-vs-sony-ericsson-xperia-x1/

On 2009-03-13 12:22:41, doministry wrote:
Heh, IMO N97 is quite bigger than X1...
I must say X1 design is unbeatable as for me...

On 2009-03-14 07:18:29, borisisinvin wrote:


I disagree... I don't think it's THAT much bigger than the X1, and like I said the trade off is negligible. I'd much rather have a slightly bigger phone if it means a bigger screen and fully usable AND ergonomic dpad. I can't help but notice that SE more often than not sacrifices form over function in consideration to there handsets (consider all of the wonky almost unusable control schemes and dpads SE has designed over the years that sacrificed usability for aesthetics, like with the K850 and X1 for example...), where as Nokia has done the extreme opposite of that with there own design ethic almost to a fault (with there bland and pedestrian designs repeated over and over again throughout there new N series phones, which look all look too much alike imho). After about a year with the N95 8GB, and given all of my time with various SE handsets, I've come to the conclusion that I'd much rather take function over form. I just want my phone to do what it's advertised to do, and well. It wouldn't hurt if it looked good too, however what's the use in a good looking phone if the controls are clunky and a chore to use?

On 2009-03-14 22:44:41, borisisinvin wrote:
@ doministry, no one here is questioning SE's design aesthetic. With out a doubt, beside maybe Apple, I'm of the sound opinion that Sony makes some of the best looking consumer electronics in the world. PERIOD. Given there pedigree, I would expect nothing less from SE. I, however, do have to question there design choices sometimes when they consciously make decisions that seriously impact a products usability and ergonomics. I've given up trying to use my X1's dpad for navigation with few exceptions (like when scrolling left to right with the phone vertical to skip tracks while in the music player). It's probably the worst solution I've seen in a long long time (next to one of there other solutions for one of there other phones) and makes me really wonder what the design team was thinking. Didn't they personally test it before hand? While I like the optical joystick, I think given the choice between that and a regular ergonomic dpad, I would have taken the latter. As is, the dpad's pretty unusable as a navigation tool, and that's fact.

What btw is constituted as functional crap? I'm just curious is all... I'm trying to quantify that response into something meaningful and intelligible and am having a really hard time doing so, please elaborate.

On 2009-03-15 20:32:31, borisisinvin wrote:
@ doministry, I would refer to SE's track record again to prove my point. Again, I think that if you look at SE's design choices over the years and there wares you'll see SE more often than not doing just what it is that you say Nokia has done... I think what you're saying about Nokia could more easily be applied to SE and most of there designs. We obviously agree to disagree on this topic, and no matter what either us say we'll never convince each other otherwise. I know what I know, and like to think that it's tempered by unbiased experience (former SE enthusiast who now sees the trees from the forest, and wants the best for his hard earned monies irregardless of brand), instead of being driven by blind brand zealotry. BTW, how many Nokia's have you used exclusively for an extended amount of time (like say 3 months or more), just out of curiosity?

On 2009-03-16 04:58:12, borisisinvin wrote:
Fair enough, and I can respect your honest preference. TBH it was really pleasant talking to you about it all anyways, and for once it was a refreshing change to not have the conversation/debate devolve into a baseless fanboy flame war. Thanks!

On 2009-03-14 22:44:41, borisisinvin wrote:
As is, the dpad's pretty unusable as a navigation tool, and that's fact.