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Posted by l337h1um
Hey again.

I never wanted to start a Mac vs PC debate cos those are useless. I was just stirring

s32bauer:
I've only transcoded one video for my X1, and I noticed choppy video when the resolution of the video was greater than that of the screen. I have a 640x480 video playing fine on it. Any Aussies or Kiwis on the forum will like the video I happen to be talking about, watch it here.
@Boris, all:
Sweet, glad to know you got the .NET framework on your phone (and that it's working). Now that you've got it I suggest you try another great little app that requires it, called hTorch. You can find it on the XDA forum. I have it in the seven shortcuts list on my Start menu, whenever I need a basic torch I just rip out my X1 and in a couple of taps I can use the camera LED as a torch

I don't know about vibrating when touching the screen, but you can get it to make a short soft sound by trying this... Go to Start > Settings > Sounds & Notifications. Tick Screen taps and then select Soft.

[ This Message was edited by: l337h1um on 2008-12-10 00:46 ]


Posted by borisisinvin

On 2008-12-10 01:39:35, l337h1um wrote:

@Boris, all:
Sweet, glad to know you got the .NET framework on your phone (and that it's working). Now that you've got it I suggest you try another great little app that requires it, called hTorch. You can find it on the XDA forum. I have it in the seven shortcuts list on my Start menu, whenever I need a basic torch I just rip out my X1 and in a couple of taps I can use the camera LED as a torch

I don't know about vibrating when touching the screen, but you can get it to make a short soft sound by trying this... Go to Start > Settings > Sounds & Notifications. Tick Screen taps and then select Soft.

[ This Message was edited by: l337h1um on 2008-12-10 00:46 ]


Yeah, thanks again for that. I haven't used a torch app since I owned my SE W850!... I'll download that! I loved using it all of the time on that phone! Good find. I'm going to post something on XDA about the vibrations to screen touch stuff since I'd like some sort of tactile response to screen presses. I tried the noises with screen presses thing when I first got the phone, but quickly turned it off because I found myself annoyed by it rather quickly...

What about a simple NES emulator? I found a version of Nester Plus that kind of worked, but was buggy as hell and played at the wrong resolution, other than that I can't find any of the standard freeware offerings (like PocketNES) in CAB form that work or will even load on the X1!

[ This Message was edited by: borisisinvin on 2008-12-10 01:52 ]

Posted by borisisinvin
BTW, does anyone know how to enable a stereo bluetooth connection from the phone?... I have a adapter for my Sony surround sound system that allows me to listen to music streamed from a stereo bluetooth enabled device, however the X1 won't/can't establish the connection itself... How do you do this with a winmob smart phone???.... I've looked under the bluetooth options and see the device listed under paired devices, however there is no way to establish a connection with the device! If I click the device it'll just give me the option to refresh the connections list with out actually allowing me to connect to it! There has to be a work around since I could easily establish a connection with the same dongle on my N95 under it's bluetooth options?!? Anyone?

[ This Message was edited by: borisisinvin on 2008-12-10 01:55 ]

Posted by WhyBe
@Dogmann and mario2004 and bytes:
I hate to say it, but you guys are right. I just sent back my X1 on a return policy. I'm going to try another phone. I can't deal with the X1 anymore...too much of a letdown

Back to p910 for now...

Posted by spine6
Hmm, so if x1 can be upgraded to WM 6.5 will it change the way it performs??
Can WM 6.5 fixed the problems we are encountering with WM6.1??

Posted by Nitro Fan
I have now tried out the X1 (My Boss wants one) I found the keyboard far to small to be of any use and, the unit in the shop refused to see my SE Bluetooth headset HBH 970.

The touch screen for some reason seemed not be be very accurate and I got a lot of incorrect inputs compared to my W960.

The panels were not quite as slow to load as I had expected, but they did hang when changing from portrait to landscape view which I did not like.

But it is nice and shiny and partly made of metal (I realised that metal is not a great medium for handset construction when my P1 was marked after one small drop) but I think he will still get one.



Posted by Nitro Fan

On 2008-12-10 08:45:16, borisisinvin wrote:

On 2008-12-10 06:52:04, WhyBe wrote:
@Dogmann and mario2004 and bytes:
I hate to say it, but you guys are right. I just sent back my X1 on a return policy. I'm going to try another phone. I can't deal with the X1 anymore...too much of a letdown

Back to p910 for now...


Turns out what others have said about this JUST being "another Windows Mobile Phone" in SE clothing turned out to be true... To think I never knew what it was that they meant until now, but after about a weeks worth of use under my belt with Windows Mobile, I get the feeling that what they REALLY meant is that this phone is just a highly polished turd... I can't wait for the N97 to come out so I can unload this pig on someone else...


The X1 is not even a WM device in SE clothing it is a WM device in HTC clothing with slightly odd software by

Posted by WhyBe
Nitro Fan wrote:
The X1 is not even a WM device in SE clothing it is a WM device in HTC clothing with slightly odd software by


So you're saying HTC and Microsoft sucks then?...

Posted by dolphinhl

On 2008-12-09 15:08:10, bloob wrote:

On 2008-12-09 13:45:36, dolphinhl wrote:
hi, I am from Singapore. Just got my X1 yesterday. Wooohoo!!! =D

Can anyone help pls .......

How do i send a text msg to MULTIPLE receipients??

Been trying to figure it out the whole day! =(


Greetings from a fellow Singaporean as well

Windows Mobile does not have a option to send SMS to a group. You will need to add each recipient to the message in the 'To:' field manually. When you send the message, each recipient becomes a seperate conversation.



THANKS, Bloob!!! =D

Posted by molecule
After a lot of reading, lot of studying and lot of hunting i bought myself a silver x1. Being a user of the SE phones as my previous phones were P800 - P900 - P910 -P990 - P1i and now the X1. Have been a dedicated user of SE. Being a first time user of the Windows Mobile it took me a while to get used to it. Its fine after 2-3 days of use. I found the following problems a big problem:

1) Cannot do group SMS as i have to select the contacts one after the other.
2) Ringtone volume is HORRIBLY LOW. If its in a pouch and in your pocket you will miss 4 out of 5 calls. The vibrator somehow does not do a great job.

I want to know if anyone has found a way to tweak up this volume. I must say its not even as good as the P1i, dont even think of comparing it with the N series. I agree its a business phone but that itself means you cant miss business calls. I tried AudioPara3_XC tweak but it did not work atall.

Just a word of caution to all potential buyers. The SPEAKER VOLUME IS VERY VERY LOW. Reminds me of the old Nokia 8310 ringer!

Posted by WhyBe
molecule wrote:
2) Ringtone volume is HORRIBLY LOW. If its in a pouch and in your pocket you will miss 4 out of 5 calls.

I thought the same when I first got my X1.

Not only did the volume seem low, but it seemed to have a mind of it's own. Maybe I kept accidentally pressing the volume buttons on the side?

Once I got everything under the control of profiles (using Photo Contacts Pro) the volume stayed really loud. The speakerphone, ringer, SMS tones and all.

One word of advice when using speakerphone: Do not block the port on the lower left side of the X1. This is the speaker port and it's very easy to inadvertently cover when handling the phone. Also, use the key lock when the X1 is not in use so things aren't being changed while the X1 is in your case or your pocket.

Even though I wish the speaker was still even louder, the X1 is actually the loudest phone I have owned.

Posted by MyP910
1. I've been using my xperia for more than one month and I haven't been this happy in using smartphone. my previous phone: P800, P910, P990. with xperia, i fully utilise the phone.

2. as I've mentioned before Everyday I use xperia for email, ym, msn, voip and web browsing. the battery life is very good. Normally I will charge the phone at night before going to sleep and sometimes when I forgot to charge, the battery last for 11/2 to 2 days. I surf internet quite a lot before going to sleep as that is the time I read forums, blogs and others. yesterday I spent 3 hrs of browsing and the battery power that being used was 20%. I think its really good.

3. so far I have no complaint. the phone is fast and fun to use. I've recommended some of my friends and all of them love the phone. one of the best feature thet I like is the optical joypad.

Posted by dolphinhl
hello...

any idea if X1 supports chinese character inputs???

Posted by l337h1um
Er... What's so good about the HD? Same OS as the Xperia.... Same interface (if you install TF3D on the Xperia)... without a keyboard. Only the screen which is 0.8 of an inch bigger...

Posted by WhyBe
^^^ Well, you have to factor in WHO is making the comparison

Posted by l337h1um
Thanks for the heads-up on the LED, Dogmann. I read a little about hTorch and saw that you can change the brightness to max, but I couldn't figure out how. Unless it runs always at max. :/


On 2008-12-10 14:53:07, Dogmann wrote:
The fact that the Panels where not as SE said they would be and were just basically shortcuts was a big disappointment to me and sort of made them pointless IMO.


Aw come on, they aren't "just basically shortcuts". Certainly they were a disappointment, how much of a disappointment I guess varies from person to person, but they aren't pointless and they aren't just shortcuts.

Actually I guess you aren't talking about all of the panels when you say that.... the thing is though, generalisations suck.

Absolutely, some of the panels - which shall remain nameless - are completely useless, isn't that right Mr. Windows Live panel? One of them isn't exactly compatible with other devices (yes you guessed correctly; I am referring to the media panel), one of them is no more than a one-minute novelty (the fish panel of course)... but the "Sony Ericsson Panel", the Spb panel and the Media panel (despite aforementioned compatibility flaw) are all quite good. The Facebook Panel is pretty good as well. So after a few months, there should be at least a couple more good panels, and in six to eight months time there should be plenty of great panels to choose from.

Still. I agree with you that they were a disappointment.

[ This Message was edited by: l337h1um on 2008-12-11 04:34 ]

Posted by spine6
Xperia x1 is a great phone but the panels should work on how they are advertise. Working with it should be multi-tasking and can help you finish your task in less time. Well i'm only referring with the panels not the whole phone because the phone itself is fast and a nice phone to own.

Posted by l337h1um
I haven't seen anyone here who owns an X1 post about TF3D on it (or can't remember), so I might be the first on this forum - to share the Xperianceexperience at least. I have installed two versions, and hard (factory) reset after both of them.

Dogmann, and others: Installing TouchFlo3D on your Xperia X1 - while it does look very, very nice and TF3D itself is speedy - it completely cripples the rest of the phone. This is what I've experienced anyway; users on the XDA forum simply say it's "slow", without actually clarifying what is slow, but I suspect their situation is the same as mine. Also looking in that thread, you'll notice a couple of comments scattered through the pages that state that TouchFlo3D is slow on the Touch Diamond and Touch Pro as well, but owners of that phone don't know how fast the Xperia is. Whereas if you have an Xperia, use it for a day and then install TF3D, you know how slow it is.

If anyone is interested in the Touch Diamond, Touch Pro, or Touch HD, I would definitely try it out first-hand before committing to a buy, or otherwise making sure you can return it.

Edit:
Worth noting is that both times I installed TF3D as a panel. On the thread linked to above, many users who complained of slowness after installing TF3D noted that their problems disappeared or at least diminished. This is not the case for me; I installed the panel both times and still found huge slowdown.

Also worth noting is that I found no bugs with it (other than the slug-speed operation of the rest of the phone afterward), it worked flawlessly for me apart from that.

Oh wait, nah I did find one thing: it wouldn't recognise touch or the optical joystick when scrolling through some lists. I had to use the D-Pad.

[ This Message was edited by: l337h1um on 2008-12-11 06:44 ]

Posted by max_wedge
A lot of people are complaining the X1 panels do not live up to expectation, tbh I don't know how people could have expected that the panels would replace or change the basic WinMo interface.

I love winmo, but do I use it as my primary mobile? No. I recognise that as a phone, WinMo is still not the best choice of OS. This will change, and indeed WM6.1 is STREETS ahead of the early PPC phones which quite honestly were crash monkeys that scored zero in mobile phone ergonomics.

Anyone doubt it just try an XDAii

I consider WM6 and later as actually finally being usable mobile phones, having fixed the glaring errors of early PPC phones. For those who wish to have the power and flexibility of Windows Mobile, the ergonomic shortfalls are now few enough that it can be considered a viable alternative compared to Symbian or A200.

I am VERY CLOSE to converting to winmo for daily use, however I am waiting to see what WM7 brings to the table in terms of finger interfacing and general ergonomics. For now I'm happy to keep my WM device in my backpack (saves me having to always carry the laptop) and use my W910 as my main mobile phone.

So for those who buy the X1 expecting the ergonomic brilliance of SE's A200 phones or the ease of use of S60, you are going to be disappointed.

NEWS ALERT: X1 IS A WINDOWS MOBILE BASED PHONE!!

SE cannot perform miracles, they can no more make the X1 into a WM powered A200 than they can turn one fish into a hundred. Maybe Jesus can help you but not SE.

Posted by spine6
So what are the pros and cons of windows mobile 6.1?? Only WM 6.1..

Posted by ashyk36
would it be worth swapping my g900i for an x1?

Posted by spine6

On 2008-12-11 10:59:58, ashyk36 wrote:
would it be worth swapping my g900i for an x1?

It depends on what you need in a phone. If g900 give the services you want then you can stay with it. But if you want a Windows mobile OS,3 inch screen,etc... then go for x1.

Posted by max_wedge

On 2008-12-11 08:05:01, spine6 wrote:
So what are the pros and cons of windows mobile 6.1?? Only WM 6.1..


6.1 has better memory management, threaded sms, Pocket IE zoom out feature, a bit faster than 6.

Basically though very similiar to WM6.

Posted by ashyk36

On 2008-12-11 11:14:33, spine6 wrote:

On 2008-12-11 10:59:58, ashyk36 wrote:
would it be worth swapping my g900i for an x1?

It depends on what you need in a phone. If g900 give the services you want then you can stay with it. But if you want a Windows mobile OS,3 inch screen,etc... then go for x1.


i dont care about the camera.i mostly use my phone for texting,wifi and music

Posted by Nitro Fan

On 2008-12-10 14:55:40, WhyBe wrote:
Nitro Fan wrote:
The X1 is not even a WM device in SE clothing it is a WM device in HTC clothing with slightly odd software by


So you're saying HTC and Microsoft sucks then?...


Not at all, big fan of both in their own niche

I am just totally sick of 's shabby attempts at software, and then trying to pass the X1 of as something exciting & new! Its NOT it uses an OS that is due for replacement and someone else's HW!!!

I got flamed when I dared to suggest the panels were slow and not very inspiring and would need all the processor and RAM they could get NOW I see Marc's (dogman) experience with the X1 pretty much backs up my own view.

They have lost their way BIG TIME they are no longer the innovator, instead they just hang onto the coat tails of whatever anyone else is having some kind of success with.......In short they are PATHETIC and going nowhere.

_________________
Sony Ericsson you have to start building them better

[ This Message was edited by: Nitro Fan on 2008-12-11 12:40 ]

Posted by spine6

On 2008-12-11 13:04:26, ashyk36 wrote:

On 2008-12-11 11:14:33, spine6 wrote:

On 2008-12-11 10:59:58, ashyk36 wrote:
would it be worth swapping my g900i for an x1?

It depends on what you need in a phone. If g900 give the services you want then you can stay with it. But if you want a Windows mobile OS,3 inch screen,etc... then go for x1.


i dont care about the camera.i mostly use my phone for texting,wifi and music

Ok,are you satisfied with the browser,sounds and keypad of your g900? With X1,texting is like using a keyboard so it is faster. Internet,we have opera mobile which is good in browsing for a phone. With music, its good enough but not fantastic.


Posted by MyP910

On 2008-12-11 13:29:27, Nitro Fan wrote:

I am just totally sick of 's shabby attempts at software, and then trying to pass the X1 of as something exciting & new! Its NOT it uses an OS that is due for replacement and someone else's HW!!!


I got flamed when I dared to suggest the panels were slow and not very inspiring and would need all the processor and RAM they could get NOW I see Marc's (dogman) experience with the X1 pretty much backs up my own view.


_________________
Sony Ericsson you have to start building them better

[ This Message was edited by: Nitro Fan on 2008-12-11 12:40 ]


1. Whose hardware ? is the processor HTC's hardware ?...no. Is the memory HTC's hardware ?.... No. Is the capacitor, resistor, xtal oscillator, dsps HTC's hardware ?.... No.

2. The panels are fast.

Posted by lakeside01
is it just me. or isn't the x1 supposed to have 400mb internal memory. . mine only shows up as 282mb..

Posted by WhyBe
^^^ It has 512 MB actually. Subtract from that the OS and installed software and whatever data/files you may have loaded or installed.

Posted by Rookwise
Anyone know if debranding is possible on the X1 yet ?
Thinking of getting one as my upgrade is due in a few months.

Posted by myth®

Yes, there is a debranding tutorial on XDA.


Posted by Rookwise
XDA ?? Not up to speed on WM.Last i had was an i-mate Jam a few years ago and I hardly messed with it as it had everything i needed as standard.Have stuck to Symbian since.

This message was posted from a T650i

Posted by WhyBe
When speaking of the panel speed, I believe some poeple speak of either switching between different panel formations (which is actually smooth and fast compared to all the prototype videos), or, actually activating a panel (which is slow to respond and load once pressed).



Posted by iantaylor27
Hi
I got my X1 and its got some screen leakage in the top right hand corner of the screen, shows up when in camera mode or black screen, gonna get a exchange when O2 get stock back in on 15th december

Posted by borisisinvin

On 2008-12-11 13:41:05, spine6 wrote:

On 2008-12-11 13:04:26, ashyk36 wrote:

On 2008-12-11 11:14:33, spine6 wrote:

On 2008-12-11 10:59:58, ashyk36 wrote:
would it be worth swapping my g900i for an x1?

It depends on what you need in a phone. If g900 give the services you want then you can stay with it. But if you want a Windows mobile OS,3 inch screen,etc... then go for x1.


i dont care about the camera.i mostly use my phone for texting,wifi and music

Ok,are you satisfied with the browser,sounds and keypad of your g900? With X1,texting is like using a keyboard so it is faster. Internet,we have opera mobile which is good in browsing for a phone. With music, its good enough but not fantastic.



Actually, no, with music, it's bad not good. Seriously, are we using the same phone? Please, don't mislead people on this aspect of the phone! The Media Experience Panel is Broken in regards to the music player!!! WMP on the other hand is a pain and chore to both get too, and use! Sure music sounds pretty decent coming out of the 3.5 mm headphone jack, but TRYING to use this phone for music listening purposes sucks. My N95 8GB beat this POS hands down in almost every category in regards to the music listening experience! The quality of a music player nowadays is determined by more than just the music coming out of the headphone jack (forget listening to music out of the speaker too btw, it's tiny)... As it currently stands, the X1 as a MP3 player blows.

@ MyP910 the X1 IS slow as a phone, not buts and/or if's about it...

@ ashyk36, keep your current phone. I can't recommend this phone to you on a clear conscience if you seriously plan on using it to listen to music. Your current phone is way better at playing music out of the box than this thing, I promise you.

-mike

[ This Message was edited by: borisisinvin on 2008-12-12 02:14 ]

Posted by WhyBe
@borisisinvin:
If you haven't already, maybe you should get rid of your X1 before the return period is up. This ain't the phone for you

Posted by MyP910
@borisisinvin

as a phone, X1 is fast. as for the panel, as somone said waiting for 2 - 4 seconds is slow, but to me its not and I'm not switching the panel quite often. my default panel is tge sony ericsson panel since I like to see a lot of information on the screen (calendar,appointment, task list, connectivity...).

but as a phone, it is fast. most of the applications( phonebook, dialer, sms, email, calendar, ym...) load instantly with no waiting time (maybe because I let all the applications running at the background). Even the tomtom load very fast compared to p910 and the gps lock faster than my bluetooth gps receiver.

the phone is fast. I don't know if we are talking on a different phone here.

[ This Message was edited by: MyP910 on 2008-12-12 04:45 ]

Posted by Malkmus
So, I just want to get this straight. Is stereo bluetooth broken in this phone? I seem to see only one or two people complaining about this, yet I've seen no one state that it works. I'm more interested in hearing from those of you X1 owners who keep stating that the phone has absolutely no problems. Does stereo bluetooth work? Or am I just the only person who hates wires and therefore the only one who cares?

Posted by borisisinvin

On 2008-12-12 05:43:13, MyP910 wrote:
@borisisinvin

as a phone, X1 is fast. as for the panel, as somone said waiting for 2 - 4 seconds is slow, but to me its not and I'm not switching the panel quite often. my default panel is tge sony ericsson panel since I like to see a lot of information on the screen (calendar,appointment, task list, connectivity...).

but as a phone, it is fast. most of the applications( phonebook, dialer, sms, email, calendar, ym...) load instantly with no waiting time (maybe because I let all the applications running at the background). Even the tomtom load very fast compared to p910 and the gps lock faster than my bluetooth gps receiver.

the phone is fast. I don't know if we are talking on a different phone here.

[ This Message was edited by: MyP910 on 2008-12-12 04:45 ]


You know what, you may have a point there with that. I close all of my apps after I'm done using them. Im a total control freak. Has your phone locked up on you btw while browsing/switching the panels? It seems that if I don't remember to do a soft reset every night I can expect it to lock up (hard, like I mentioned before) the next day like clock work... It's extremely annoying to say the least.

@Whybe, actually I bought the phone unlocked from a Hong Kong importer on eBay for close to MSRP, and am now stuck with my phone. Believe me, if I could I would have already returned this pig in lipstick for a FULL refund. I had the phone for about a day and a half when I sold my N95 8GB... So, needless to say I'm extremely frustrated with my purchase. I went so far as to play with a display model in a Sony Style store and read many glowing reviews on the device from many different sources (one from a now decidedly quiet Mizzle who gave an exceptionally glowing review of the phone that I took at face value) before making what I thought to be a informed purchase. I have never owned a WM phone, and had modest expectations for this device (since I knew it was a WM powered device after all, and generally reviled for that by the critics, and rightfully so). I can't express in words how much I dislike WM... Aside from the obvious problem I have with the WM OS, I don't think that SE did enough on their end to hide that monster, or even deliver the goods on what they promised (I'm looking at you Media Experience Panel...). I think I'm with in my rights to do a little bitchin' and moaning for the $750.00 I just spent on my device. If what I'm saying helps any other buyers on the fence avoid a big purchase they may regret in the future, then all the better for me.

@ malkmus stereo bluetooth works. You can get it to stream and play on a stereo bluetooth enabled deck or set of headphones, provided the deck or headphones can initiate the connection with the phone THEMSELVES. I can listen to music over my car deck, however I can NOT control my music (with AVCRP) when using the Sony Media Experience Panel, which as I've mentioned many times before is a broken piece of software. I believe AVCRP support works with WMP as someone else mentioned, but have yet to try it. So, as you can see it's a far from perfect implementation.

@ Any of you still on the fence about this phone and/or WM who don't have any experience with this particular OS, here's the conclusion to a recent "Battlemodo" from Gizmodo about Opera 9.5 on the Xperia, Touch Pro, and Omnia. It nicely summarizes my feelings about WM way better than I ever could, while also talking about it's now very obvious shortcomings (hindsight is 20 20 as they say). It also addresses and rebuts any argument any here would make to defend WM on the X1:


Conclusion
So where would I slot Opera 9.5 overall if I were to slide it into the previous browser battle? I'd give it a B-. It has a great, desktop-y UI (though I wish a few of the buttons were a smidge bigger, taking into consideration fat fingers and the inadequacies of resistive touchscreens). It's really competent, and it has a solid zoom metaphor, with the double taps usually working like a charm. And it has extras like tabs. But, and this is the big but, it still doesn't feel quite as smooth or instantly responsive as Safari or Android's browser. It's clearly an OS issue, though, not an Opera one.

Speaking to that, testing these three phones actually took longer than it did to test the six in the original Battlemodo, entirely because of how much wrestling I had to do with Windows Mobile. I've used close to a dozen Windows Mobile devices over the last year, and it's still a bitch.

If you haven't noticed in our reviews of Windows Mobile phones, we've basically ceased comparing to them anything but other WM phones, in a wishful attempt at dulling our totally appropriate disdain for the OS, lest the review essentially turn into one giant bitchfest. They're clearly off in their own world of performance and function.

Even ceding the point that Windows Mobile is somehow more functional than the iPhone or Android, it's like comparing one of those 100-in-1 kitchen gadgets that'll blend, slice, dice, toast, saute, braise, set the table, clean the dishes AND suck you off while it's doing all that to a Waring MX1000 blender. It doesn't matter how much the all-in-one gadget can technically do if you can't figure out how to use it, and it performs every task with only mediocre results.

If the iPhone ran half as poorly as Windows Mobile phones, Apple haters would (rightfully) scream as loudly as Apple fanboys do about Vista. If any BlackBerry was as much of a flustercuck, reviewers would trash the crap out of it. I'm sorry, but at this point, any apologist left defending Windows Mobile is either delusional or full of crap—either way, not worth listening to.

I won't touch another Windows Mobile phone until WM7 or at least 6.5, no matter how awesome the hardware looks. Call me when it runs Android.


Hope that helps anyone still on the fence about this phone. Knowing what I now know, I would have waited for the N97.

-mike

[ This Message was edited by: borisisinvin on 2008-12-12 10:06 ]

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Posted by borisisinvin
Sorry about all of the negativity everyone, or if I sound like a total Debby Downer. There are some good features I really like about this phone (for instance the threaded messages, the camera touch focus feature, and the task app), however the bad (mostly WM) IMO severely outweighs and negates any of the good I feel when using the phone. I hope SE plans on updating the Media Experience Panel in the immediate future. Is there even a way to update the panels btw? Whatever the case, rant over.

-mike

Posted by anonymuser
I have to agree with the Gizmodo review borisinvin posted - that's the truth of Windows Mobile at the tail end of 2008. I wish it weren't so, I like the featureset of WM and I spent the last year trying to iron out the wrinkles in my otherwise very capable WM phone, but there are just too many issues that marr the user experience and negate the usefulness of many of those features. The slowness always comes back over time, the little lags and freezes, the interface problems that always trip you up when you just need to get something done quickly - there's no escaping any of it in the current generation of devices.

The basic aims of WM are laudable, in principle it's a supremely strong phone OS, but the reality is a different story. I'm quite interested in the rumours of a "Microsoft Phone" mind - if MS could marry up the right hardware with an improved WM7 and produce something that wasn't cobbled together by committee but by the OS vendor itself, then that could actually be a very strong contendor.

Posted by Hobbs
Shame Borisisinvin.I hope with a litle time and patience your X1 experience improves.

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Posted by doministry
I postponed my phone upgrade to the 2009, around March. Until then, I stay with P1i, very good and complete anyway.
But X1 is considered as a replacement. I know would be nice to read these 450 pages, but I still have not enough time to do so
So please, as I know these negative comments,
may I ask
bloob, dogmann
Would you recommend this device?

Posted by max_wedge
That review is quite biased. I'm not saying there aren't some valid points made, but the significance of the WM flaws are WAY over exaggerated.

The fact is WM is NOT the best phone OS. A200, s60 top it easily. However there are phone OS's that are worse. s40 is pretty crap and while it may have a few (not many) ergonomic advantages over WM, who in their right mind would use an s40 phone over a WM phone?

It's not that WM is so bad, it has flaws but it's certainly usable as a phone OS, but I think people get frustrated by what it could be and forget what it is. It's a pocketpc (by heritage) with a phone in it. The phone works, it does the job, and yes it could be better, but it's still far preferable to some of the lamer attempts at phone os's out there, plus it's a powerful application platform to boot.

People have to get over this expectation of WM, and X1 by extension, being some kind of one size fits all mobile phone handset. Even more than that, CAN WE PLEASE get over this bullshit belief that just because SE says panels are going to be wonderful, that they will magically turn into some miracle of modern mobile ergonomics? Please?

Since when did any manufacturer's (ie: Apple, SE, Microsoft, Nokia etc etc) marketing hyperbole amount to anything more than wild claims that turn out to be nothing more than vaguely parallel to reality (but even then more divergent than parallel)? I mean, these guys spew out all sorts of crap, no one has any right to complain that it turns out to be bullshit. If you belief this crap you have to have screw loose.

Nokia: the N95 is a mini computer. Gee whiz, so what was windows mobile doing all those years. Or UIQ? Tell me PLEASE how was N95 so far different that it finally deserved the title "mini computer" when all that had gone before didn't? Okay, another misnomer sprouted about the place: DVD Quality. WTF?? DVD QUALITY?? Huh? Have you EVER seen DVD quality on a mobile phone. I know I sure as shit haven't. But do I blast Nokia at every opportunity? Do I moan on and on about how they "lied" to me? No, because when ever I read any of themarketing crap these companies put out, SE included, I laugh to myself and say "yeah right".

Apple: Ooh, it has Internet and Email. Holy F$%K, I'm buying one RIGHT NOW. Damn, it can play music, wooow. That's new. I haven't been listening to gigabytes of music since my K750, that's must have been my imagination.

The MAC versus MS ads: yes windows crashes all the time, it's so unreliable (I'm writing this on a VISTA laptop that has NEVER crashed on me yet. It's over 3 years old and has had vista on it for 12 months or more. I regularly use it with CS2, Olympus Master and Photomatix to edit 10 or more 10MP images concurrently. Again it NEVER CRASHES. Oh it's never had a virus either).

SE: Cybershot! Oh it has Cybershot on the label it must be a "real" camera. Oh it h as Walkman on it it must be a real music phone (again what was freaking wrong with my K750's music playing ability??)

SE: X1 ooh it has panels it must be an iphone killer. Ooh it looks pretty... Where is multi-touch? where is the fluidity of the iphone interface design? Anyone who believed X1 had some sort of magical iphone dragon killing ability has watched Lord of the Rings a few times too many.

The fact is the X1 is a good phone, well within the limits of what one can reasonably expect from WM at this stage of the game. To expect more is delusion and I fail to see why anyone needs to moan and bitch about how they have been "deceived", "lied to", "ripped off" or any other of a wide variety of adjectives some malcontents are using.

GET OVER IT!!

Innov8, N96, C902 are just a few words that describe phones with well designed and established mobile phone interfaces. If X1 and WM doesn't rock your boat then don't buy the thing.

Posted by MyP910

On 2008-12-12 10:43:55, borisisinvin wrote:

You know what, you may have a point there with that. I close all of my apps after I'm done using them. Im a total control freak. Has your phone locked up on you btw while browsing/switching the panels? It seems that if I don't remember to do a soft reset every night I can expect it to lock up (hard, like I mentioned before) the next day like clock work... It's extremely annoying to say the least.



borisisinvin,

Your problems are weird. I think you got a faulty phone.

My phone never locked up on me. Not in the switching/browsing panels and not in any other applications. I don't have to do any soft or hard reset. I've once did a hard reset long time ago due to one of the application that I install.

for your information, at the moment, I've never switch off my X1 for 3 weeks straight, and it still running perfectly. When I check my memroy usage, at the moment the phone is using 42% of memory with several applications running. Most of the time I don't use the `x' button to close the application, I only use `ok' button so the application still running in the memory.

I think, you need to return back the phone.

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Posted by max_wedge
btw, thanks everyone for putting up with my rant, now you know how I felt reading that WM bitch rant

Posted by doministry
max wedge

I had fun reading. Good points.

Posted by WhyBe

On 2008-12-12 09:29:05, Malkmus wrote:
So, I just want to get this straight. Is stereo bluetooth broken in this phone? I seem to see only one or two people complaining about this, yet I've seen no one state that it works. I'm more interested in hearing from those of you X1 owners who keep stating that the phone has absolutely no problems. Does stereo bluetooth work? Or am I just the only person who hates wires and therefore the only one who cares?

Stereo bluetooth works for me. I use it both in WMP and SE Media Experience. I have a Sony DR-BT22 stereo bluetooth headset. The AVRCP functionality is another issue though. WMP handles it but not the panel.

@max wedge
That was a kick-ass rant
Couldn't have said it better myself.

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Posted by borisisinvin
@ Max Wedge I guess my beef is that I didn't know what to expect with WM this late in the year 2008. I didn't know that lock-ups and freezes in the OS were to be expected daily from the phone, and part of WM's charm. I'm just now noticing people saying "this phone doesn't freeze as much", or " lock-ups on this phone are rare" in forums. What revision of WM is this again? I didn't know that small menu icons and navigation bars for simple contact look-ups would require stylus use EVERY TIME, practically making it impossible to use the phone one handed. I didn't know that I would have to carry around another phone to use as a regular phone or PMP to enjoy my media with this device, like many current users and professionals who use WM do, just to get a all around decent phone and PMP experience (btw carrying around 2 phones is lame). I feel that what I got as a relative novice to this OS is unacceptable. No wonder Microsoft has ceded so much market share in the smart phone market worldwide in two short years to a relative newcomer like Apple and it's iPhone. The user experience on the X1 blows because of it, no matter how much anyone here denies it or tries to explain it away. I think critics like Giz and the like are partly to blame for what I'm now experiencing and feeling. Like they plainly state in the article I quoted, they, and to a greater extent everyone else now a days don't compare WM devices to other phones with different OS's when reviewing the device in question, which in and of itself is a flawed logic when going about the review process. In the end, this only screws over the consumer. "Gee, you mean to tell me I'm getting the best WM device out there? Nice, but wait, what does that mean exactly?..." Well, just because you have the nicest and best pinto out there, that doesn't necessarily mean that you have the best car out there too. Again, everyone this is all just my vexed opinion based on MY user experience (or the opinion of a "malcontent" if you like, which I'd take over the word of a delusionist any day), so take it with a grain of salt...

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Posted by WhyBe
@borisisinvin
Well the old adage rings true here: RTFM!

If you are new to WM then you should study it, learn it, THEN decide whether it's for you or not. It is not as intuitive as iPhone or other phones but is every bit as functional and quick once you have learned and optimized it. All of your problems seem to stem from lack of knowledge rather than flat out being WM fault. We can all agree WM needs work, but, it is a very competent phone OS. If your crashing all the time, then get rid of the garbage software you installed, stop doing tweaks, and just stick to the basics until you become more proficient with it.

I enjoy media on the X1 (both audio and video) media playerS, I don't use stylus with contacts nor is it required. Yes, there are certain segments of the OS that calls for the stylus, but that is few and far between (try using the OK button).

Alot of the WM bitching is over the top (as max says). Just take a few moments and learn what can be done, and not be done, and what shortcuts can be set up. It is not difficult riding a bike once you've learned how to balance.


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