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Posted by the_mont

On 2008-11-20 21:37:14, mattiL wrote:

On 2008-11-20 20:37:50, Killfr3nzy wrote:
Guys is the X1 a good buy? No major bugs and stuff?


I'm a Linux/Unix man using a windows phone.......
And owner/user of p800, p910, p990 & X1, need more reassurance ?

Sure it has SW bugs and HW problems like weak plastic frames, but
if you can live with windows mobile then you will have no problems.
(better than samsung i780 and the likes)

I love toys.



I'm a Unix guy also. Once you get past the Win mobile bugs, you'll love this phone. Sure it needs some dedicated time to set it up how you like, but like Unix when you do, its great. Plenty of tips available start with installing Xperia Tweaks.

(this was sent from my X1, pretty fast @ typing now

Chris


Posted by Killfr3nzy
Thanks for both replies guys.

I'm stuck in a dilemma; SE X1 or HTC Touch Pro!
But i've always been a SE-boy .

Posted by molecule
I am stuck with a dilemma too. Should i buy the x1 to stick to the P1i.

Posted by max_wedge

On 2008-11-20 15:51:50, Mizzle wrote:

On 2008-11-20 15:03:17, Boinng wrote:

On 2008-11-20 13:41:03, Mizzle wrote:
My silver one hasn't cracked.


Yet

Sorry, but you're asking for that..



Just how was I asking for that? And no, it won't.

"Sorry, but you're asking for that.."

I've had a K750 (many people reported problems with the joystick) yet never had a joystick problem, I've had a K800 again no joystick problems. I've had a W910 which apparently restarts all the time, yet mine has never restarted yet. I've been told winmo screens a prone to scratching because they are softer than non-touchscreens, yet I've never had a scratch yet.

Now I'm not saying there are none of the above problems. I'm just saying that not all owners of the above phones have had those problems. In some cases it comes down to variable quality control, in some cases it comes down to treatment. For example I always take care of my phones - I never use in rain, never put them in pockets with keys, coin etc, usually leave them cased when leaving them floating around in my laptop bag, etc. I also debrand all my phones and run clean firmware, and format my memory cards every few months or so.

I always have in the back of my mind a thought about how any kind of treatment might affectg my phone (for example I never put the phone in a top pocket when going to the toilet! ) I put a reasonable amount of thought into how I treat my electronic gizmos. They're my babies!

I don't know if any of the above helps, but I do know that I don't have any of the hardware or software problems that some people seem to spend a lot of time posting about.

Maybe your X1 will develop the fault, but maybe the others who have the problem have rough hands? Or maybe they were unlucky and got the dodgy batch that slipped through quality control (SE quality control is VERY variable)


Posted by bider
The newest Xperia white paper is here: 20/11/2008 - r5a

https://developer.sonyericsson.com/getDocument.do?docId=100340

Posted by spine6
New whitepaper?? Is this connected to the new firmware to be release??

_________________
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SE ROCKS!!!!

[ This Message was edited by: spine6 on 2008-11-21 13:24 ]

Posted by malbry

I am stuck with a dilemma too. Should i buy the x1 to stick to the P1i.

I currently have a P1i which does everything I want, but I was seriously tempted to get the X1 for a while. Lots of good things about the X1, but here are the reasons that I won't get one:

a) Reception quality. I live in a fairly poor reception area, and feedback in the forums is that the X1 doesn't get as strong a signal as some other phones.
b) Bluetooth dropping out. An acknowledged bug that will probably be fixed in a firmware update but is currently a problem.
c) Remote track control via BT headphones - mixed reports as to whether this works well.
d) Ability to play audio tracks encoded with AAC+ codec - might be OK but not confirmed.
e) No ability to use SE remote control wired headphones, because proprietory SE port has been replaced by standard 3.5mm port.
f) Ability to run certain Java programs (which are important to me) is not confirmed.

So I think I'll be sticking with my P1i for a while longer.

Best regards,
Malcolm
www.freepoc.org

Posted by janke1
My blutooth headphones remotcontroll working as it suppose to do when i listen to music in windows mediaplayer ,but not in sonyericsson own mediaplayer.

Posted by Geezay

On 2008-11-20 22:54:29, Killfr3nzy wrote:
Thanks for both replies guys.

I'm stuck in a dilemma; SE X1 or HTC Touch Pro!
But i've always been a SE-boy .


I too am in a similar predicament. As much as I have been an "SE-boy" from the GH-388 days, the P990 debacle left me with a sour taste in my mouth. The SE X1 however was about to bring me back to the fold until I read about the questionable build quality in respect of the stylus well especially with the silver model? For a premium phone to exhibiy such wear and tear after barely a week of use is unacceptable. I am on the verge of getting the Touch Pro myself.

Posted by molecule
I love my P1i. I does almost all the things i want. But i am bored of using the same phone for more than 15 months. Plus its scratched and all. I would have bought the X1 by now but the only thing thats stopping me is that in my area the X1 is not available in SILVER as of now. I want the silver one just because i dont want the scratches to be seen on it.


Posted by mobman
that new white paper states 256mb RAM - at least know we know

Posted by Santa_Claus

On 2008-11-21 17:24:59, mobman wrote:
that new white paper states 256mb RAM - at least know we know


256 RAM and 128 Video RAM for the graphic chip.

Posted by mobman
where does it say anything about the extra ram for the graphics chip? i must have missed that bit...

Posted by Santa_Claus

On 2008-11-21 17:59:52, mobman wrote:
where does it say anything about the extra ram for the graphics chip? i must have missed that bit...


It does not say anywhere on the white paper.

Posted by Santa_Claus
The X1 comes with a total of 384 megabytes of RAM memory. Only 256 megabytes is visible in the system, but this is because these 256 megabytes is strictly for applications. At boot there’s about 152 megabytes free.

The remaining 128 megabytes of RAM memory is used for both the video graphics and CPU. According to the MSM7200A datasheet, the graphics part of the chipset (presumably the ATI Imageon 2300 or 2700G chip) is capable of delivering up to 4 million 3D triangles per second, and 133 million 3D textured pixels per second fill rate. Furthermore, it supports OpenGL ES - link that up with the large amount of dedicated video memory, and you’ve got an awesome power horse or gaming machine

From here:

http://blog.se-nse.net/reviews/sony-ericsson-xperia-x1-review/

Posted by Spattinson
no build issues on mine after 3 weeks - silver uk o2 (reflashed to generic uk)
no paint coming off
no cracks and i use the stylus all the time
screen is straight.

signal strength is about the same as my w760 and p990 - i can vouch for that accurately as there is a point in my house where 3g would go to 1 bar and sometimes switch to GSM and all three phones do it.

battery cover was a little loose, if I dropped it on my desk it would ping off, but i bent the two little tags on the battery cover and its fine now

Posted by mobman
@Santa_Claus

I'm aware of that link you posted but in my opinion they seem to be regurgitating "facts" from elsewhere. Apart from the SE video a while back (which was a gaff IMHO) there has been no statement saying anything about this mystical invisible extra RAM - its just been spread around the Internet so much people are stating it as fact.

If i were to grace a phone with the biggest Graphics RAM for a portable device i would maybe slip that fact into the white-paper - wouldn't you?

[ This Message was edited by: mobman on 2008-11-21 17:47 ]

Posted by MyP910
1) I have no proble with my X1... in fact I love this phone more and more everyday !

2) I have no body crack problem, no reception problem, no lagging problem., no bugs....

3) Now my X1 is replacing my PC for emails, YM, MSN and facebook. I no long use PC for all of these except for downloading big attachement (email).

3) my previous phone.... P800, P910 and P990. Now really happy and satisfied with X1

[ This Message was edited by: MyP910 on 2008-11-21 18:05 ]

Posted by Santa_Claus

On 2008-11-21 18:46:17, mobman wrote:
@Santa_Claus

I'm aware of that link you posted but in my opinion they seem to be regurgitating "facts" from elsewhere. Apart from the SE video a while back (which was a gaff IMHO) there has been no statement saying anything about this mystical invisible extra RAM - its just been spread around the Internet so much people are stating it as fact.

If i were to grace a phone with the biggest Graphics RAM for a portable device i would maybe slip that fact into the white-paper - wouldn't you?

[ This Message was edited by: mobman on 2008-11-21 17:47 ]


It is true that you say. Why it is not in the white paper. I donno.

However, I can confirm that the video processor has 128 MB RAM memory on disposal that is not shared with any other application. 256MB RAM are on disposal to the entire Win Mob system.

My friends from SE are reassuring me that 128 RAM for graphic chip is true. They are engineers so they know better than me. I trust them.


Posted by WhyBe
^^^ So the next question would be...

When are we going to see software utilizing this huge amount of RAM ? It certainly isn't being used by the panels. Nor is any WinMo software designed to take advantage of it.

Posted by tickleboylui
Anyone else find that the right edge of screen is sharp? as in the top of the slider. On mine the metal doesn't match up with the plastic edge which has the lights on.

Also when closed does the left side of the phone flex down a bit when you're using it?

Posted by NiekyG
Mine does. No cracks, but the slider is whobbly and the battery cover comes off frequently.

If it gets worse I will see if I can get my unit replaced.

(Silver version btw)

Posted by Mizzle

On 2008-11-21 21:44:35, NiekyG wrote:
Mine does. No cracks, but the slider is whobbly and the battery cover comes off frequently.

If it gets worse I will see if I can get my unit replaced.

(Silver version btw)



If it does get worse, you will be able to get it replaced with the XPERIA product service.

Posted by mobman
i'm still waiting for o2 to get stock in so i can get mine replaced - o you think i'd be better going straight through SE?

Posted by SE-Naz
I have spoken to O2... they are saying it should be in stock on the 24/11/2008...

Cheers
ENJOY

Posted by pinguino1

On 2008-11-21 19:12:14, Santa_Claus wrote:

... Why it is not in the white paper. I donno.

However, I can confirm that the video processor has 128 MB RAM memory on disposal that is not shared with any other application. 256MB RAM are on disposal to the entire Win Mob system.

My friends from SE are reassuring me that 128 RAM for graphic chip is true. They are engineers so they know better than me. I trust them.



Dedicated video memory or VRAM is an old technology, from the times when the RAM had limited access speeds and limited access ports to read/write data at the same time that GPU was accessing the video frame.

Not anymore, current RAM doesn't have those limitations and RAM memory can be shared with the the video frames.

Furthermore if, and only if, the Xperia have a dedicated video memory then it is not RAM it is VRAM.

How come the Xperia need such a huge amount of video memory?.
The main video frame only needs 768000 bytes for 65536 colors. Even if they keep room for an eventual 32bit Color palette still the total video frame memory would be only1.5 MB

If we count the mask frames, BLITs frames and effects frames for 2D and 3D The Xperia wouldn't need no more than 16MB worst case 32 MB. (desktop size displays work perfectly on 32MB)

All that means that there is a chunck of at least 96MB of RAM wasted. No, in a mobile device they don't waste one byte or one mm.

If this info is not in the Latest White Paper after that moron's gaff then there is no 384 RAM

You can ask your friends at SE "why it is not on the specs. Is it a secret?"

.



Posted by M.Noordin
I take it no one knows y the weather updates dont work for me wen i choose manchester... all other cities work exept for manchester. tried reseting everything but still no luck.. apart from tht works jus fine.

Posted by molecule
Spattinson you are the man. I am so happy! Wishful thinking!

Posted by Residentevil
Looks like Manchester has always the same weather.

Posted by tonyitalian
got mine yesterday!!! finalllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Posted by the_mont

On 2008-11-20 17:17:19, ricster2000 wrote:
Does the facebook panel not "hang" the phone for anyone else? I can use it fine, but then when I press the panel button, the phone seems to lock up....


Yep,

Done the same for me, had to remove the battery, I installed my panel on my memory card (as I do most applications). Seems to be fine after a reboot though.

Bigger problem for me though... all I get is login failed, and after I tried my username/password combination over a dozen times, I give up.

If it won't let me log in, it's no good!

Any ideas before I uninstall it guys?

Chris


Posted by Mizzle
Have you tried installing on the phone memory? Some panels will only work if installed on the phone memory.,

Posted by spine6
Actually base from my experience, If you installed programs on the phone memory it will work fine and loads faster than installing it on memorycard e.g. speed in accessing the memorycard compare to the internal memory in reading the program.

Posted by Nitro Fan

On 2008-11-21 21:44:35, NiekyG wrote:
Mine does. No cracks, but the slider is whobbly and the battery cover comes off frequently.

If it gets worse I will see if I can get my unit replaced.

(Silver version btw)



What a shocking indictment for a device, that is most likely not much more than 6 WEEKS old!

X1 owners have already moved on from talking about how great it is, to talking about what does not work and to what extent each others very expensive toy has fallen apart.

What the hell is the matter with surely even they must realise this situation can only lead to one place!

I have been complaining about Sony Ericsson build quality since the days of the P910 and they seem to have learned NOTHING.

I used to really like Sony Ericsson products, but now? I am just cynical, suspicious and disappointed.

Roll on the Tube!




Posted by MyP910

On 2008-11-22 11:16:14, Nitro Fan wrote:

On 2008-11-21 21:44:35, NiekyG wrote:
Mine does. No cracks, but the slider is whobbly and the battery cover comes off frequently.

If it gets worse I will see if I can get my unit replaced.

(Silver version btw)



What a shocking indictment for a device, that is most likely not much more than 6 WEEKS old!

X1 owners have already moved on from talking about how great it is, to talking about what does not work and to what extent each others very expensive toy has fallen apart.

What the hell is the matter with surely even they must realise this situation can only lead to one place!

I have been complaining about Sony Ericsson build quality since the days of the P910 and they seem to have learned NOTHING.

I used to really like Sony Ericsson products, but now? I am just cynical, suspicious and disappointed.

Roll on the Tube!



1. I think, it is wrong to judge a product from a small number of complains. Judging from the comments, the greats are much more than the complains.... which is common.

2. If you want to judge, try to get a defect ratio from the company. For sony products ( I don't know about sony ericsson), normally the policy is to have a defect ratio less than 3%.... which is very low. And you will surprise to hear the highest number of defect is `no-defect' problem which comes from customers with `know-how' problem.

3. It is not wise to judge a product from small number of complaints.

Posted by the_mont

On 2008-11-22 10:43:47, Mizzle wrote:
Have you tried installing on the phone memory? Some panels will only work if installed on the phone memory.,



Hi Mizzle,

Yeah already tried that, maybe it's a vodafone thing.

I can access it via Explorer and Opera no problem. Oh well, not much else I can do at the mo, will just have to access it the old way...

Chris

Posted by Mizzle
Have you tried uninstalling it? Then install and possibly do a soft reset (turn it off)?

Posted by the_mont

On 2008-11-22 14:12:22, Mizzle wrote:
Have you tried uninstalling it? Then install and possibly do a soft reset (turn it off)?



Yeah unfortunately done all the usual (work in IT, so not adverse to trying anything).

Basically I first installed it on my SD card, which appeared to work, but froze my phone, as mentioned by someone else. Therefore that was the first soft-reset. Panel opened after phone restarted, entered username/password. Click on "Login". It wipes out password (I'm guessing that's normal behaviour?) whilst it tries to connect. Takes a while, and reports that login fails.

I uninstalled, soft-reset, installed on internal storage, tried again - same problem. I don't think location of install matters in my case. Performed another soft-reset, tried again - still no joy. I even resorted to cutting & pasting my password just to double-check. Sooo frustrating...

Posted by MyP910

On 2008-11-22 14:34:10, the_mont wrote:

On 2008-11-22 14:12:22, Mizzle wrote:
Have you tried uninstalling it? Then install and possibly do a soft reset (turn it off)?



Yeah unfortunately done all the usual (work in IT, so not adverse to trying anything).

Basically I first installed it on my SD card, which appeared to work, but froze my phone, as mentioned by someone else. Therefore that was the first soft-reset. Panel opened after phone restarted, entered username/password. Click on "Login". It wipes out password (I'm guessing that's normal behaviour?) whilst it tries to connect. Takes a while, and reports that login fails.

I uninstalled, soft-reset, installed on internal storage, tried again - same problem. I don't think location of install matters in my case. Performed another soft-reset, tried again - still no joy. I even resorted to cutting & pasting my password just to double-check. Sooo frustrating...


do you use wifi or mobile internet? have you tried on wifi connction only?

Posted by the_mont


do you use wifi or mobile internet? have you tried on wifi connction only?


Unfortunately for me - I ruled out connectivity issuses.

I tried 3G, GPS, and my home wi-fi - all with the same results.

Thanks for asking though, really hope it something simple - I'm starting to think it's a vodafone issue, anyone on Vodafone willing to tell me differently?


Posted by WhyBe

On 2008-11-22 12:34:54, MyP910 wrote:

On 2008-11-22 11:16:14, Nitro Fan wrote:

On 2008-11-21 21:44:35, NiekyG wrote:
Mine does. No cracks, but the slider is whobbly and the battery cover comes off frequently.

If it gets worse I will see if I can get my unit replaced.

(Silver version btw)



What a shocking indictment for a device, that is most likely not much more than 6 WEEKS old!

X1 owners have already moved on from talking about how great it is, to talking about what does not work and to what extent each others very expensive toy has fallen apart.

What the hell is the matter with surely even they must realise this situation can only lead to one place!

I have been complaining about Sony Ericsson build quality since the days of the P910 and they seem to have learned NOTHING.

I used to really like Sony Ericsson products, but now? I am just cynical, suspicious and disappointed.

Roll on the Tube!



1. I think, it is wrong to judge a product from a small number of complains. Judging from the comments, the greats are much more than the complains.... which is common.

2. If you want to judge, try to get a defect ratio from the company. For sony products ( I don't know about sony ericsson), normally the policy is to have a defect ratio less than 3%.... which is very low. And you will surprise to hear the highest number of defect is `no-defect' problem which comes from customers with `know-how' problem.

3. It is not wise to judge a product from small number of complaints.

@Nitro Fan:
To add to what p910 is saying, nobody is going to come on here and post only good news. We are here to solve problems and to share information (about mostly negative experiences) with one another. So, bad news is inherent to this forum. This forum won't reflect all of the good to great experiences out there.

It's funny how no one mentions HTC when complaining about build quality.

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-11-22 14:09 ]

Posted by MyP910

On 2008-11-22 15:00:42, the_mont wrote:


do you use wifi or mobile internet? have you tried on wifi connction only?


Unfortunately for me - I ruled out connectivity issuses.

I tried 3G, GPS, and my home wi-fi - all with the same results.

Thanks for asking though, really hope it something simple - I'm starting to think it's a vodafone issue, anyone on Vodafone willing to tell me differently?



I might have the same problem in the beginning. the facebook panel was working perfectly in the beginning after the installation. At that time I was using wifi connection. the next day, at my office (this time I use Hsdpa), the panel hang after logging in and I have to reset with the reset button. After that, I failed to connect to my account no matter how many time I try.

later at home, I tried again and this time I was using wifi, and it conncet successfully. However, after that, I tried with hsdpa connection, and it works. since then I have no problem.

Posted by the_mont

I might have the same problem in the beginning. the facebook panel was working perfectly in the beginning after the installation. At that time I was using wifi connection. the next day, at my office (this time I use Hsdpa), the panel hang after logging in and I have to reset with the reset button. After that, I failed to connect to my account no matter how many time I try.

later at home, I tried again and this time I was using wifi, and it conncet successfully. However, after that, I tried with hsdpa connection, and it works. since then I have no problem.


That's interesting... I did try a different combinations of things, with soft-resets inbetween.

Others on Vodafone on xperiax1.net have reported the same problem with "login failed" message.

I will revisit this panel after the bugs have been ironed out, for now I will admit defeat - more to do with "not enough time in the day", to look at it anymore. Especially how it froze my phone 3 times, trying to return using the panel button.

I have seen a youtube on the panel, and it's looks good, but not too upset, as I can still login and reach it the old fashioned Opera browser way .

Chris

Posted by masseur
so, SkyFire is now available to download in UK but...

it doesn't work on the X1... what the



_________________
Unless I'm very much mistaken...
A-ZoTT

Posted by Tigershark42
Yep, it says so on their website, WVGA is not supported (fools! When will they learn!!!???). I was hoping that the WVGA fix on XDA developers could scale it properly though. Not sure if you already have this installed or not.

Posted by Nitro Fan

On 2008-11-22 12:34:54, MyP910 wrote:

On 2008-11-22 11:16:14, Nitro Fan wrote:

On 2008-11-21 21:44:35, NiekyG wrote:
Mine does. No cracks, but the slider is whobbly and the battery cover comes off frequently.

If it gets worse I will see if I can get my unit replaced.

(Silver version btw)



What a shocking indictment for a device, that is most likely not much more than 6 WEEKS old!

X1 owners have already moved on from talking about how great it is, to talking about what does not work and to what extent each others very expensive toy has fallen apart.

What the hell is the matter with surely even they must realise this situation can only lead to one place!

I have been complaining about Sony Ericsson build quality since the days of the P910 and they seem to have learned NOTHING.

I used to really like Sony Ericsson products, but now? I am just cynical, suspicious and disappointed.

Roll on the Tube!



1. I think, it is wrong to judge a product from a small number of complains. Judging from the comments, the greats are much more than the complains.... which is common.

2. If you want to judge, try to get a defect ratio from the company. For sony products ( I don't know about sony ericsson), normally the policy is to have a defect ratio less than 3%.... which is very low. And you will surprise to hear the highest number of defect is `no-defect' problem which comes from customers with `know-how' problem.

3. It is not wise to judge a product from small number of complaints.


Lets just wait and see which of us is right! I have been a Sony Ericsson owner long enough to know the warning signs!

Posted by se_dude
He he , its so funny Nitro.You never seem to be around when people appreciate the X1.

Posted by Nitro Fan

On 2008-11-23 19:39:44, se_dude wrote:
He he , its so funny Nitro.You never seem to be around when people appreciate the X1.


I am happy for anyone who has an X1 and is happy with it but surely is that not what everyone should expect when you consider how much are charging for it?

I work very hard for my money as I am sure most others here do as well.

So I am NOT prepared to invest any more of it on the word of Sony Ericssons marketing department guess what they LIE!!

so yes I will highlight any failure, after all we don't kneed to know what is good (that is what we paid for) to make a buying decision only what is BAD to avoid wasting our money, trust me Sony Ericsson will NOT be queuing up to refund those who have faulty units 6 or 12 months down the line.

we were promised that this would be a premium device at a premium price and I for one DO NOT consider a device were multiple units are experiencing build failures this early into ownership!

Posted by pinguino1
.

Where is the built in microphone located?

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Posted by wastsiders
Hi all, plz if some1 know some information about iplanet web server,post it her plz.Have a nice day.

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