Posted by cybaxx
why are the pics of the interface 552x800px? I thought the display res is 480x800?
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Posted by al_1982a
On 2008-02-12 11:49:07, cybaxx wrote:
why are the pics of the interface 552x800px? I thought the display res is 480x800?
[ This Message was edited by: cybaxx on 2008-02-12 10:49 ]
this is due to forum restriction only and the x1's photo resolution has nothing to do with it.
Posted by cybaxx
On 2008-02-12 12:19:58, al_1982a wrote:
this is due to forum restriction only and the x1's photo resolution has nothing to do with it.
hmm the photos are hosted on se-nse blog so no forum restriction. and why forum restriction, the photos are bigger than the display res?
Posted by Mizzle
It has nothing to do with restrictions. These screenshots are from the official press pictures, and this is the screen format used in the thumbnails when browsing the XPERIA panels. Real display is 480 x 800 pixels.
Posted by deepsme
Dunno if this has been posted yet..but here are some nice Xperia vs iPhone comparison pictures...
More pictures HERE.
Posted by cybaxx
ah now i got it. thx mizzle
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
It really is quite small isn't it? A lot of people were saying it was BIG! I saw an iPhone for the first time on Sunday and was amazed at its small size, but the X1 is smaller!
Posted by al_1982a
anyway you can't upload images more than 800 pix to the forum..
Posted by Mizzle
Indeed, X1 is superb in terms of both specs AND size!
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Damn right. But it's still taking a while to get used to an SE phone running Windows Mobile!
Posted by Trev1982
MMMMMMMMMM i like, want it now
Posted by PeterKay
On 2008-02-12 12:52:33, deepsme wrote:
Dunno if this has been posted yet..but here are some nice Xperia vs iPhone comparison pictures...
More pictures HERE.
only 1 winner for me.
Posted by Trev1982
think its pretty obvious who the winner is
Posted by jkthewarrior
i reckon apple just shit their panties!
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Yeah coz Apple wears panties
Posted by jakontil
wow it doesn't look that small!!!
btw can anyone confirm what kind of screen it uses? a flushed type like iphone screen? or just a simple old touch screen like P1i?
Posted by sesukaku
lolx, Apple Iphone surely is nice, but as a phone, they are no better than the old phone technology, perhaps, it is comparable to the very first existing mobile phone back then more than 15 years ago, perhaps even nokia 5110 can do a better job. Sony ericsson already had enough experience in making mobile phone, and they make one of the finest phone on the market. (I am not talking about feature btw, its purely the function as a phone).
But, i do believe, in terms of feature, Xperia will outdoes Iphone in many ways, WM 6 is indeed much more popular than Iphone, Better screen res, better camera, better connectivity (HSUPA/HSDPA vs EDGE? its not even comparable), lets see whats gonna happen Xperia vs Iphone? winner is already seen, no competition here, Xperia is one and only.
Posted by PeterKay
Xperia is a different experience for all
Not worth comparing with any other device
Posted by mib1800
how come the iphone 3in screen is so much bigger than the 3in screen of X1? X1 screen seems ridiculous with its elongated length. Photo/Video will not be able to fit properly in full landscape (leaving black strips and thus smaller size image/video). WVGA resolution totally sucks when used as a multimedia device. Sorry to say that this is one aspect where Iphone eats the X1.
And rubbing salt into wound, I bet the X1 full landscape photo/video physical viewing size is also smaller than that on the N95-8G/N96 2.8 inch screen. What a pity.
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Posted by jakontil
On 2008-02-12 13:20:21, mib1800 wrote:
how come the iphone 3in screen is so much bigger than the 3in screen of X1? X1 screen seems ridiculous with its elongated length. Photo/Video will not be able to fit properly in full landscape (leaving black strips and thus smaller size image/video). WVGA resolution totally sucks when used as a multimedia device. Sorry to say that this is one aspect where Iphone eats the X1.
it's like a de ja vu
Posted by whentheleveebreaks
The iPhone screen is 3.5 inches (i just measured mine)
Posted by Jimster71
iTouch/Phone specs say 3.5" too. Screens are measured diagonally. It looks like the aspect ratio of the X1 is narrower than the apple screen.
Posted by deuxani
On 2008-02-12 13:09:01, jkthewarrior wrote:
i reckon apple just shit their panties!
Apple shitting their pants for a Windows Mobile phone? :s
Posted by Mizzle
X1's display is more than twice as sharp as iPhone's.
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
On 2008-02-12 13:39:34, deuxani wrote:
On 2008-02-12 13:09:01, jkthewarrior wrote:
i reckon apple just shit their panties!
Apple shitting their pants for a Windows Mobile phone? :s
Yeah, true. I don't think Apple shit their panties over much Microsoft/Windows stuff. More often Id say its the other way round.
Posted by PeterKay
On 2008-02-12 13:40:10, Mizzle wrote:
X1's display is more than twice as sharp as iPhone's.
and sexier!
Posted by chombos1
@mib1800
you were not such a funny guy.... hehehe
how much the landscape photo viewing is going to be bigger on (n95 8gb -not n95)................ ((0.1 inch)) = (( 2.5mm)) hehe
and i think that watching a DVD video is going to be smaller on any n95..... how much bigger? (1 cm bigger than the n95 8gb)
and i can see no problem when i am viewing a landscape photo and have some good controls on either side of the screen....
and wait...... QVGA vs WVGA........ whats that???? (QVGA on a 2.8" display?? and you want sharpness from that??)
even the 65k color depth of WVGA screen (in 3inches) can beat 16M color on a QVGA (in 2.8").
Posted by bijou
well its rather the opposite °-°" the iphone is the fastest selling smartphone and has the biggest growth ratio.
usabillity is fas superior to a WM phone.
well i think we agree to the fact, that the iPhone is just a average phone but an extraordinary internet device and intuitive UI(looking at pictures, wachting videos is fun, even playing around with the settings).
it has a lot flaws, where even my k81o is far better. sms,MMS, Cam 3.2mpx, mp3 ringtones, BT interoperations with other devices i.e. sending/recieving stuff.
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Posted by skylineR35
yes. i has 800x480 screen which surprised me..
(even zen vision W has smaller screen)
it's nice to have this phone..
im waiting for it to come out..
but one question... will the battery life sucks??
as it use WM6
Posted by anonymuser
On 2008-02-12 13:43:06, Muhummad-Oli wrote:
Yeah, true. I don't think Apple shit their panties over much Microsoft/Windows stuff. More often Id say its the other way round.
I don't think so - you're still talking about an OS which sold 14m units, compared to just 4m for the Iphone last year. It has a mature and well established eco-system, compared to the Iphone which has yet to ship an SDK to my knowledge. Sure, the Iphone UI is fashionable right now, but there's more to life than finger gestures, and a lot to be said for real keyboards and proper connectivity. As flashy as the Iphone is, they're still playing catch-up on a lot of the technology underneath the UI.
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
On 2008-02-12 13:49:59, Boinng wrote:
On 2008-02-12 13:43:06, Muhummad-Oli wrote:
Yeah, true. I don't think Apple shit their panties over much Microsoft/Windows stuff. More often Id say its the other way round.
I don't think so - you're still talking about an OS which sold 14m units, compared to just 4m for the Iphone last year. It has a mature and well established eco-system, compared to the Iphone which has yet to ship an SDK to my knowledge. Sure, the Iphone UI is fashionable right now, but there's more to life than finger gestures, and a lot to be said for real keyboards and proper connectivity. As flashy as the Iphone is, they're still playing catch-up on a lot of the technology underneath the UI.
Likely you're right. I was thinking more of computer OS than mobile phone OS, where a lot of people say Windows copied Apple/Mac to create Vista. I don't know if this is true, but I can see likenesses.
Posted by mib1800
Done a screen size physical area calculation.
X1 3in screen area is 3.69 sq. inch
N95/N96 2.8in screen area is 3.76 sq. inch
Looks like the X1 screen is even smaller (in area) than N95-8Gb. Couple with the irregular aspect ratio, putting side-by-side photo/video viewing the X1 screen will show a much smaller photo/video size than N95-8G/N96. Dont even mention the Iphone.
So I dont see how X1 can be impressive as a multimedia device. The X1 screen is definitely a let down.
Posted by Mizzle
Apple iPhone = 320 x 480 pixels; 153,600 pixels in total; 43,886 pixels per diagonal inch.
XPERIA X1 = 480 x 800 pixels; 384,000 pixels in total; 128,000 pixels per diagonal inch.
(Normal PC display = 1024 x 768 pixels; 786,432 pixels in total - 2.048 times larger than X1's resolution ; 5.12 times larger than iPhone's resolution)
While both the phones are sharper than a regular PC monitor, the X1 is actually almost THREE times as crisp as iPhone's display (by pixels per diagonal inch).
Posted by anonymuser
On 2008-02-12 13:53:16, Muhummad-Oli wrote:
Likely you're right. I was thinking more of computer OS than mobile phone OS, where a lot of people say Windows copied Apple/Mac to create Vista. I don't know if this is true, but I can see likenesses.
I think they borrow hugely off each other, all the time - the original Windows borrowed from the Mac (which itself borrowed from other projects), Mac then borrowed from Windows (right click, anyone?), and lots of conventions got shared across them both. Sure, Vista has some OS X-like features, but then that's the competition - of course they're going to try and outdo them..
The mobile OS's are a little different - Windows Mobile began life as WinCE, and Pocket PC, and is much more of a PDA OS that grew phone features over time, so the underlying interface is quite different to that of the Iphone which was obviously conceived from the outset as a phone (albeit with Ipod etc combined). So WM has a little historical baggage, but then it's also wide open to customisation by vendors, and that's exactly what we're seeing now. HTC have already had a go with the Touch interface, which they'll improve with future devices, and now SE are having a go with their panels concept - all these things can be well integrated into WM. Yes, ultimately, as you drill down through you'll end up looking at the WM interface again, but I don't see why that's such a bad thing necessarily. If you're using the device that intently, accessing the "higher brain functions" as it were, then at that point you're really using a PDA more than a phone - and Windows Mobile is a good UI for a PDA.
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Posted by mib1800
On 2008-02-12 13:58:19, Mizzle wrote:
Apple iPhone = 320 x 480 pixels; 153,600 pixels in total; 43,886 pixels per diagonal inch.
XPERIA X1 = 480 x 800 pixels; 384,000 pixels in total; 128,000 pixels per diagonal inch.
(Normal PC display = 1024 x 768 pixels; 786,432 pixels in total - 2.048 times larger than X1's resolution ; 5.12 times larger than iPhone's resolution)
While both the phones are sharper than a regular PC monitor, the X1 is actually almost THREE times as crisp as iPhone's display (by pixels per diagonal inch).
What you say dont apply to viewing video. Maybe it doesnt apply to photo either if the OS downsize the photo to QVGA instead of VGA when displaying the photo. And viewing video/photo on a 65K color screen is certainly less vibrant.
Posted by Mizzle
@mib
Simple mathematics question, and your calculations are wrong. If you really want to show off your mathematics skills, do it properly.
Here are the REAL calculations.
The area the esato watermark covers, says "N95 8GB".
Any questions?
Update to answer your last post...
Why should it resize VGA photos to QVGA? And sure the resolution and pixels per inch has lots of things to say when watching videos. If you put a 800 x 480 pixel video on it, you'll have a remarkable amount of details. I'd like to see that on 320 x 240 videos...
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Posted by Tigershark42
I wish we could see the UI of the device. For alot of people that would be a huge factor because some have not used WM before, and noone seems to know to what extent it will be like regular WM.
PK, can we at least know WHEN we could be seeing a review of the X1? Either from you, or if you dont want to, when will we be seeing it reviewed on such sites as Mobile Review?
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
There have been some photos of the UI on various blog sites, etc. Sorry I don't have a link for you, but I'm sure someone will
EDIT: Been looking for the last 10 mins and I've found this so far:
http://www.infosyncworld.com/[....]ny_ericsson_xperia_x1.html?n=9
Will keep looking.
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Posted by Tigershark42
Thanks very much Muhammed Oli, but, I meant the WHOLE UI. All we've seen so far is this panel system and what looks like a today screen. I want to see whether or not there are normal menus, how much of the functionality is accessed with this UI, and what is accessed using WM. I wonder when we will get to see this.
Further info:
I heard in one of the videos that the battery is 1400mAh, so battery life should be pretty good
IS there or ISNT there an accelerometer?
IS there or ISNT there stereo speakers?
According to various hints and tip offs from the likes of Mizzle and PK, Paris does exist and will be shown tomorrow. So, for everyone unsure about the WM UI, or people who may be looking for slightly different specs, in the form of a better camera, for example, that may be the way to go. Can't wait to find out tomorrow.
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Posted by anonymuser
From what I can make out, the Panels system is just an easy task switcher - a nice way to navigate between open apps. No doubt there are some other SE-skinned apps to go with it - a dialler, a clock, etc etc - but ultimately it's a Windows phone and you will be using WM for the most part. That's not such a bad thing! WM6 is a good OS.
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
@Tigershark42: Yeah I've given up searching now as I can't find it. But I'm sure I've seen a site that had more than the link I just gave you. Its annoying, I don't even remember how I got to the site last time!
It showed a few more pictures, like one of what might have been writing an email or something. But it probably wasn't as much as you want to see.
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Posted by Tigershark42
Thanks again for the attempt m8, but I dont think we will be full content until we see an in depth review to confirm all the ins and outs of the device. Im sure it will be good. I personally see nothing at all wrong with WM6, looks really good to me, if its anything like that on the HTC devices (depends how much scope there is for themes, difference because of screen resolution, etc).
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
No problem mate
Can someone tell me, on a WM6 device, is it possible to upgrade to WM7 through a firmware upgrade or something? Maybe something like upgrading a PC from XP to Vista?
Posted by anonymuser
On 2008-02-12 15:01:03, Muhummad-Oli wrote:
Can someone tell me, on a WM6 device, is it possible to upgrade to WM7 through a firmware upgrade or something? Maybe something like upgrading a PC from XP to Vista?
It depends on (a) the hardware requirements of the new version, and (b) the hardware manufacturer (in this case SE). They would have to provide a ROM update - you can't just buy the new OS from Microsoft and install it.
HTC have done this before - they released free WM6 upgrades for certain WM5 handsets - but as those two versions were quite close in many ways, the older phones had no great problem running the newer software. That might be different in the case of WM7, if it's a bigger jump, but then again SE/HTC may know the requirements of WM7 in advance and have designed their hardware accordingly.
Of course there are people at XDA Developers and elsewhere who are quite capable of "cooking" up new ROMs for these devices regardless of what HTC or Sony decide to release... so if it's possible to run WM7 on an X1, somebody will make it happen in due course
Posted by laurenke01
I would guess a WM6-->WM7 upgrade won't happen. From what I've seen, it's too radically different for any easy update.
Though, as a top-line model, the X1 may have the power to run the new OS. But it's up to technical limitations and then SE itself.
Posted by chuksy
The Iphone imho cannot be compaed to the xi.....the xi is miles away from it.
This is a well rounded device and smartphone.
The iphone has a lot of catching up to do...User Interface is just a tiny part of a smartphone (i dont think its a smart phone anyway,just a play thing)
The one good thing going for the iphone is good marketing,which SE needs loads of
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Posted by bijou
On 2008-02-12 16:34:39, chuksy wrote:
The Iphone imho cannot be compaed to the xi.....the xi is miles away from it.
This is a well rounded device and smartphone.
The iphone has a lot of catching up to do...User Interface is just a tiny part of a smartphone (i dont think its a smart phone anyway,just a play thing)
The one good thing going for the iphone is good marketing,which SE needs loads of
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well then an extraordinary capable mediacentric phone. with the upcoming SDK sure someone will write an script to read excel sheet, word docs and so on and so it will be more "buisness". buisnesphones have besides the software stuff other things they must do , long bat life, changeable bat, useable I/O things, operable as a softmodem if needed and so on and on. but in terms of useabillty its unbeatble.
the panels seem very handy because they are short cuts to various menuepoints, but still no change of the "look&feel" i guess...a WMphone at least. "used one ..used everyone"
Posted by dr_thug
the official pic dont show any front video camera...and did anyone notice 'PANEL' written faintly on the phone below the optical pad??Wonder what that is...
http://www.sonyericsson.com/c[....]1202654315/X1_Front%20Open.jpg
Posted by dancingfate
I think one of the liltle circles on the right or left of the speaker is a secondary camera for video call.
Posted by sadeghi85
On 2008-02-12 14:51:47, Muhummad-Oli wrote:
...But I'm sure I've seen a site that had more than the link I just gave you. Its annoying, I don't even remember how I got to the site last time!
Use Firefox + ScrapBook + AutoSave. it will save all webpages you browse.