Sony Ericsson XPERIA X1 discussion

On 2008-10-26 16:39:30, masseur wrote:
@SE-Naz, hard to say about battery life after one day really, and also it spends alot of its time connected (and therefore charging) on USB while I transfer screen captures etc


I'm still trying to decide about the panels, are they gimmicky or are they useful? probably using this during the week while doing normal business activities might better answer that but most of the rest of the operating system is classic WM, so not much to say there.


its been well designed, thats for sure. While it may be HTC built, I do like the buttons and the optical joystick and the design around them to give the X (for xperia) look.


Having used the Diamond, I would probably have preferred this without the physical keyboard and with a better virtual keyboard and then I would be totally convinced, but for a first WM outing, SE (with HTC) have done a very nice job and the device feels very comfortable in the hand.


I'm finding sound could be louder as I have tried music videos that have been used on the TyTN II and Diamond are quieter on the X1.


No crashes or hangs so far, as expected with WM 6.1, and its good that SE have hidden the soft reset button under the battery cover as you really don't need it these days.


Panels can be laggy if you load a panel and expect to be able to switch to another panel immediately, but once initialised there is no lag. It seems the panels with more content have some startup time but then unless you're playing with the phone, you're not going to be changing from panel to panel every minute or two


all in all after 1 day I'm happy to accept this into my pocket

On 2008-10-26 18:10:35, masseur wrote:
no trackid or blogger functionality built in. remember this is not your typical device, however you can use shazam for trackid and probably something else for blogging.
as for cam quality, check the Post your pictures (and videos) taken with your X1 topic

On 2008-10-26 16:39:30, masseur wrote:

No crashes or hangs so far, as expected with WM 6.1, and its good that SE have hidden the soft reset button under the battery cover as you really don't need it these days.

On 2008-10-26 19:03:41, J273 wrote:


very probably, but I haven't seen this for download yet



probably a result of uploading to Esato. I'll upload elsewhere in future

and yes, its a Kronenberg 1664 can behind the coke can

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Posted by Rodin69


If you look in my post from yesterday you will have four picture taken directly out of the camera. They are 2048 x 1536 pixels, which means an aspect ratio of 3:4.
There is however a widescreen setting, but then the pictures will be 2048 x 1280, which means the original picture is actually cropped.

/Michael

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Posted by masseur


very probably, but I haven't seen this for download yet



probably a result of uploading to Esato. I'll upload elsewhere in future

and yes, its a Kronenberg 1664 can behind the coke can

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Posted by J273



Try one of these keyboard cabs...I would of thought it should work.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=392197

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Posted by JD4341


@Koto

I have been playing with the X1, my first WM phone, for the last two days and as the P1 is the phone it is replacing it is natural for me to compare the two. Firstly, yes the X1 is a nice phone to be sure in terms of build quality and screen. I had a play with an Omnia a month ago and WM seems to be implemented much better on the X1. That said it was an VODAFONE Omnia who had problems with their firmware.

However I am with Masseur and would rather do without the hard keyboard and have a better on screen keyboard. Also as for the panels I have to say I am not impressed. I find them slow to start up and when on the (9) panels screen the panels do not show active content. All in all the SPB panel is the best IMO for usability / fastest access to the rest of the phone features buried deeper down in WM. Don't get me wrong they are 'ok' but more of a gimmick IMO rather than a must have feature. The X1 just doesn't have the wow factor that I was hoping for. Don't want to say too much about WM because others here have much better knowledge than I. The only thing I will say is that it generally takes more taps to get to what I want compared to my P1.

On my p1 I have 15 shortcut icons on the today screen giving me quicker access to a wider range of apps from one screen. I also miss the jog dial.

Of course the X1 has a better screen, built in GPS and MS Office apps built in. You maybe glad to know there are three different HWR methods of text input, 'Letter Recognizer' being most like the p1.

Is it a must have over the p1? based only on my type of use I would say no, but I will keep it anyway one because I like new things to play with and second because I can. It only cost me £69.99 on a 12 months £20 contract. So nothing to loose really. If you have the p1 and where thinking of buying the X1 Sim free I wouldn't bother but if someone were upgrading from say a k750i clearly the leap for them is going to be more impressive. For me it is not but that is just a personal thing, its still great phone by any standards.

Hope this helps Koto

Cheers JD

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Posted by Osmano
@masseur

I think I saw you got a 16gb MicroSD card for your X1. Is it working flawlessly?

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Posted by masseur
no problems so far, but I wouldn't really expect any issues to be honest. I used an 8gb with the TyTN II without issue, until I lost the damn thing 'coz they're so small!

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Posted by Astral1
I'm curious, having seen the unboxing pics.
There seems to be a lot of either manuals, advertising bumph, or CD's with the X1.

Would any kind owner be willing to divulge what software comes on the CD (s)?

Is there anything like SE PC suite, or a disc2phone type app?
Or just active sync cos its an MS OS?

Thanks for your patience.

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Posted by masseur
there's only one CD and its labelled "Wayfinder"

I've not broken the seal yet so can't confirm if it has active sync on it, though I suspect not as that would probably come on a separate CD or be labelled on this one.

Windows Vista has "Sync centre" built in, which is the new version of Active sync, otherwise you're just as well to download the latest version of Active Sync from MS if your'e still using XP

again, this is not your typical SE device and so you won't find a PC suite, or disc 2 phone. SE have not really tried to make this look like any of their other offerings really

the other documentation stuff you get includes:-

X1 Support - this is your warranty card essentially and gives you 12 months world wide support as a starter to your normal 2 years warranty in the country of purchase

A sort of getting starting guide

Synchonizing music and video - describes how to get media to your X1 and what folders the Media Xperience panel monitors for playing such content

GPS - location based services, google maps, wayfinder install guide, web feeds, live messenger etc

Panel info

Opera Mobile 9.5 guide

Service and support, warranty and other legal type info

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Posted by Mizzle


It's Active Sync, and it also comes with WayFinder in different languages.

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Posted by MWEB
Nice one Masseur, i leave everything in the box intact so as not to hurt resale value if i need to pass phone's on .
The X1 is a really decent effort from S-E, is it at all laggy in any area, since moving on to BB's i'm now hypercritical of some WM and S60 devices in that dept.

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Posted by Astral1
Thanks masseur.

Counting down the hours, now, till tomorrow. Been eagerly waiting since February. Always had faith in this phone.

Its very refreshing at the moment, with new X1 owners being most helpful, and the "moaners and whingers" seeming to be taking a back seat for a while.

It would be great if ESATO could be like this again, as it was a few years ago.

Cheers again to all helpful folks here, and enjoy your E xperia nce.

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Posted by masseur
@MWEB, thats my philosophy, leave as much intact as possible and since I already have USB-mini USB cable for sync/charge of other devices there's really no need to open any of the supplied accessories, nor the CD

definitly no lag in the phone with the exception, as mentioned a little earlier, when starting some of the more complex panels as they seem to require some initialisation to get going, but you're not going to be changing panels in rapid succession (except when trying the phone) so its a non issue really

can't comment on comparison with BB as I've always stayed well clear. Perhaps I'm blinkered but I've always seen BB as purely for push mail capabillity, though these days they're incorporating more capabilities such as multimedia etc to keep people interested, but I'm happy to schedule my email delivery and if I don't get the email for 5 or 10 minutes I'm sure I'll survive!

edit: @Astral1, well its important to have both sides of the coin but so far I see very little to be negative about. Also, while no operating system can provide everything for everyone, WM certainly has the community support to achieve almost anything you desire!
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Posted by Astral1
Yup.
I'm a Winmo Noob, but having been a member here for several years, and having signed up to XDA, ive been doing my homework, so to speak.
I now have a nice little cache of Winmo apps and games ive been collecting this last month or two.

Its just a matter of giving a bit of time for the clever XDA dudes to iron out any issues with the ROMs, and steal all the best bits from the HTC phones for us Xers to get.

Thanks again.

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Posted by mortengutt
Something strange just happened to my X1. I was composing an mms and suddenly the phone shuts of, now it wont start up again. And when I press the ON-button red light from the side just flashed twice. There's no sign og charging or anything, just complete dead.

Any tips, or has someone else experienced this?

Heeeeeelp!

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Posted by tomasz.luch
@mortengutt

Sometimes it happens,when the battery is really low, that you cannot turn it on (I mean any phone). Try to charge it for some time (5-10 minutes) and then turn it on.

This is the only thing I can think of right now to try.

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Posted by mobman
i'd be reaching for the reset button under the battery lid...

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Posted by masseur
otherwise, pull the battery out for a short time and reinsert OR

press the soft reset button

final choice will be to do a hard reset

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Posted by Jah
I am keen get your views on the X1's physical feel & appearance.

For me it is the best Smartphone I have used from a physical characteristics perspective. Great size, feel & weight.

What do you X1 owners thinks? I also think the silver one looks more appropriate for the metal design then the black one.

[ This Message was edited by: Jah on 2008-10-26 21:08 ]

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Posted by JD4341


I mostly agree....and I have the balck version but would prefer the silver.

Can anybody please recommend a good Calendar App. Something similar to Aqua Calendar for symbian?

Thanks
JD

[ This Message was edited by: JD4341 on 2008-10-26 21:33 ]

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Posted by masseur
its definitly got a nice all over feel and the keyboard spring is one of the most solid functioning springs I've felt in a device with slide out keyboard, both in opening and closing. Possibly a tad heavier than it need be given thats its only 50g lighter than the TyTN II

did anyone notice that not only does it come with plastic to protect the screen, but also the reverse side of the screen part has 3 separate protection plastic pieces?

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Posted by norbi_nw
heres a quite stupid question. X1 is kinda new thingy, so does it have a "normal" standby screen? i mean besides the X pannels, like any normal phone.. just time, date and a wallpaper. does it? AND can you set wallpapers on it?

P.S. is the screen glass or plastic? plastic is kinda scratchable :/
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Posted by pinguino1

T-MO in the usa version?

I don't know who to believe. But in the X1i rev iew Modaco mentioned that the USA X1a. will suport AT&T and T-mobile.

I'm with AT&T but i'm glad for the T-mobile community. If that is true Xperia can build a larger follow up in USA, which is great for everybody.

http://www.modaco.com/content[....]s-the-sony-ericsson-xperia-x1/

Anyone can confirm or know better? WhyBe? Gforce23?
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Posted by masseur
no questions are stupid when you're learning something new, but in fact there's little that is new here as windows mobile has been around for a long time

X1 comes with a microsoft panel which emulates the standard WM interface and show the date, time, count of unread messages, number of active tasks, calendar entries for next few days etc.

yes, you can change wallpaper or indeed install a whole theme. On WM they are .TSK files which compares with .UTZ files on UIQ.

The screen is plastic but if you have concerns then use a screen protector. I personally have never used a screen protector but it really comes down to how you treat/carry your device

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Posted by koto
@JD
Thank you very much for sharing your experience with me, I really appreciate it. It was very helpful as I currently have P1 and am a bit tempted with X1. Now I have a clue what I can expect.

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Posted by afhum


Wow, thanks Mizzle and masseur for ur attention I actually have the W890 and I'm gonna switch to this real soon, so I'm just wondering if its really worth it cos music is the top priority for me, hehe. Is the bass as nice as the MegaBass? Um, do you think that a firmware update would provide us more features, say, the equalizer? hehehe

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Posted by p9nineo
does X1 has remote dekstop?
Has anyone of u try the function before?

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Posted by Dogmann
Hi all,

Well hopefully my X1 should arrive sometime within the next 7-17 hours and what i am most interested in is just how good Music and Video is on the X1.

I have today converted 4 TV shows to 800x480 in Mp4 as believe converting to the correct ratio always produces the best results. My Music is already in 256kbps AAC which the X1 is meant to support and how well it handles both of these will be of importance to me.

Sorry but i really am loath to have to shell out $30 to watch Video's or listen to Music as feel it should be totally unnecessary. Especially as my Bold handles both of the above perfectly even my E90 handled Video perfectly but was lacking as a Music Player which is why i didn't use it for Music.

I will be adding the Seven Free Beta E-Mail app so i will still have my Push E-Mail as it was on the E90 and comparable to the Bold. Especially as i really haven't liked any of the implementations of Windows Live and it doesn't push your Mail either.

Also as it comes with SPB Shell that IMO solves the need for some additional apps although i am looking at Handy Safe for WM and possibly a custom Alarm app dependent on how good and flexible the built in app is. I may also consider adding Resco Pro Keyboard if i decide i will prefer using the on screen keyboard to the slide out one. I may possibly look at Tom Tom later on but currently am finding Google Maps even though it doesn't have voice guidance is actually more than good enough for my needs and far less intrusive IMO so may just stick with it.

In regard to this i have a question is it possible to change orientation to Landscape without having to slide the Keyboard open?

@MWEB

I know what you mean as the Bold being my first Blackberry really has won me over at just how fast and stable it is. It may not be overly flash but it really is extremely fast and functional and unlike previous BB's is about much more than just Push E-Mail with Doc's to Go and great Music and Video playback it really is an excellent all round device IMO.

I will be comparing the X1 to both my current device the Bold and my recently sold E90 performance wise.

Marc

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Posted by Rodin69

Yes, you can. From the system settings it's possible to rotate the screen, and if you want you can dedicate one of the two keys beneath the screen for this purpose.

/Michael

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Posted by Rodin69
This post didn't get much attention I believe. But since it's rather important to me, I'll post it again.

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Posted by WhyBe

Well, if you don't specify 3G, then yes the X1i and X1a will work on T-Mobile. BengalBoy has had T-Mobile all along and he says his X1i works fine (but he couldn't test 3G, of course). In the C&J version he just received, there is a frequency setting for the T-Mobile 3G frequency (I think around page 37 or so of his X1 review). I don't know if that band is functional or not, but it may be a sign of things to come in the X1a.

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Posted by masseur


Did you miss the reply I gave which was the very next post after the one you repeated where I said...



@Dogmann, I'm guessing you'll find your music and video experience much the same as on the TyTN II and no, you don't need to spend any extra money unless you want such features as equaliser and the other nice to have things (youtube etc) that coreplayer offers

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Posted by p9nineo
how about my qn?
X1 has remote desktop?

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Posted by JD4341


Marc the answer is yes!. The two keys above either call buttons can be configured to do many different funtions including rotating the screen without opennng the slideout keyboard. Their function does not relate to the two options that appear at the bottom of the screen depending what screen you are as in soft keys (these options are obviously selected by touching the screen itself), so their function is totally independant of the app you are in and is assigned by you.

Hope this helps

JD

Ps can you are anyone else reccomend a good Calendar App? Thanks

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Posted by daytrade
Anyone know if the Vodafone X1 phones are locked or unlocked? I'm thinking about bidding on a vodafone x1 on ebay but the seller doesn't know if it's sim free or not. Thanks in advance

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Posted by Rodin69


I'm very sorry. Yes I completely missed it. I guess I was too focused looking for a post addressing me by name. This was somewhat embarrassing.

Anyway, I tried sending that file too, and it worked fine. So could you help me out further by adding a lot of text to the mail body. Let's say 5-10 kB of text, and a small attachment to that. I would appreciate it a lot. And I will pay more attention to following posts.

Regards,
Michael

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Posted by AlastairM


Vodafone say that all phones they sell are now unlocked.

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Posted by willo
Just checked the Carphone Warehouse website. For a few days, they have been advertising the X1 as a free handset, on a £45 p/mth contract.
It seems that this is is now not enough money for them, they have now changed it to £49.99 handset on a £45 p/mth contract

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Posted by anonymuser


Crikey, I hope not for everyone's sakes, video (in particular) was definitely NOT the strong suit of the Tytn II, in fact it was a major weakness of that model. If it's not a very different experience on the X1 then something is very wrong somewhere!

PS - I have my iphone now. I already can't imagine why anyone would want any Windows Mobile phone (despite owning one myself for the last year..)

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Posted by masseur
Now I think about it, I'm judging that based on playing the same music videos I played on the TyTN II with XDA developers cooked firmware which I understood improved the graphics performance over the standard drivers, but I'm huessing Dogmann didn't try any of that.
In my opinion the X1 plays just as well as that, if not slightly better

however, I'm like you, I wont be using the X1 for much multimedia entertainment as its 1000% superior on the iphone

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Posted by joel80


Yes.. works fine.. except all icons on your desktop of your PC is squeeced in at a 800x480 space.. and remain that way after disconnecting. So you have to re-arrange them. I solved this by making a new user on my PC that I use when i connect remotly. Then i have my "own" icons with the X1.

I have also got Wake On Lan to work.. hehe.. so I can wake my PC up from my phone if I forgot to start it.

edit: You have to download a remote desktop client for it to work.. but it's free.

//Joel

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