Posted by Singapore_Air
O2 have offerred me (I think) the X1 for £35.00 a month + £0.00 for the phone as an upgrade on an 18 month contract.
This seems like an alright deal but not great. I'm going to try and ask for free insurance. Thoughts?
Posted by netnerd
what do u think i in iPhone stands for?
i = idiot!
iphone= idiotPhone!
Posted by Jah
On 2008-10-22 18:58:06, Tigershark42 wrote:
On 2008-10-22 17:24:47, willo wrote:
They estimate £100 handset charge for £35 p/mth 18 month contract.
Which carrier does this apply to? Now I'm abit more interested!
At www.mobiles.co.uk X1 on £35 per month for 18 months and upfont cost £30. This is on O2, whcih means after 9 months you can reduce to £30 per month and a month later to £25 per month
Posted by chrisu
Can anybody confirm if English OS is not available with scandinavian keyboard? Any swedish users with English OS and scandinavian keyboard?
Finnish deliveries were supposed to start this week, but now I got an email stating delay for 1-2 weeks...
/chris
Posted by the_mont
On 2008-10-22 19:49:57, Singapore_Air wrote:
O2 have offerred me (I think) the X1 for £35.00 a month + £0.00 for the phone as an upgrade on an 18 month contract.
This seems like an alright deal but not great. I'm going to try and ask for free insurance. Thoughts?
Hmmm, I'm already on vodafone and depending on who you speak to you can always get a few things bundled in for free . Each Sales support person has a "allowance" on top of what is offered to everyone. So for example, I'm getting the following upgrade offer (as a 600mins p.m. vodafone user, with unlimited text, stop the clock and "free" internet access for: £35 pm ):
X1 handset = free upgrade (18 month contract)
4Gb Micro SDHC card = free
Only have to sit and wait for the call now, date as with the others is a moving target...
Posted by pinguino1
On 2008-10-22 19:28:09, WhyBe wrote:
@max wedge & @pinguino2:
OK, we all have differing viewpoints on what a smartphone or high-end is. Even Wikipedia can't really define it. I think the BEST definition is the simplest one, because that is what will become THE definition for all.
@pinguino2 I'm dissapointed you disagree with me. I thought I was right about EVERYTHING, ALL the time
Oh no. I said I disagree. I never say you were wrong... but now that you admit it... well, I have to agree with you.
he he he
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Posted by pinguino1
On 2008-10-22 20:13:35, netnerd wrote:
what do u think i in iPhone stands for?
i = idiot!
iphone= idiotPhone!
Great!
Why it took you so long to figure it out?
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Posted by Sirhackalot
HTC Touch Diamond > Xperia X1 (matter a fact HTC designed the X1)
I brought an HTC because of the simple fact that se's ball game is below par when it comes to software and reliability. But I see why alot of se fans are excited about the X1 i mean, 1. its SE branded, 2, the interface is very appeling ; but to tell you the truth i can see this phone getting boring in a matter of mins. At first sight most people are attracted to the operating system and the navigation, but be realistic how long do you think clicking on a bunch of lil windows that expand will keep you interested. It's not even like theres more to the customization on top of wm6, besides a Fishyazz clock. lol (Maby thats why it was delayed so long) Just giving an opinion though.
But anyone who is tired of se i recommend choosing an HTC phone. If you thought the A1 & a200 12 DESKTOP was beautiful wait till you see Touch Flow 3D on HTC's later models.
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Posted by max_wedge
On 2008-10-22 19:28:09, WhyBe wrote:
@max wedge & @pinguino2:
OK, we all have differing viewpoints on what a smartphone or high-end is. Even Wikipedia can't really define it. I think the BEST definition is the simplest one, because that is what will become THE definition for all.
I agree the definition of smartphone is far from definitive
Of course it is a smartphone, but by the definition that makes iphone a smartphone you could also argue A200 or even A100 phones qualify as smartphones, especially those with good multimedia specs.
One thing I agree on, iphone upped the anti on UI design. I'm keen to get a good look at X1 panels to see if I can make any real use of them. I'm especially keen to try the SDK and see what I can do in terms of designing my own panels that will allow me to add utility that suits me and not what some SE marketing guru thinks I want.
Posted by mobman
i think its fair to say that the touch diamond isn't really a match for the x1! maybe the pro? as a matter of fact i'm wondering wether or not to stick with my p1 and getting a free ps3!
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-10-23 02:27:00, Sirhackalot wrote:
HTC Touch Diamond > Xperia X1 (matter a fact HTC designed the X1)
Boring and incorrect.
I brought an HTC because of the simple fact that se's ball game is below par when it comes to software and reliability. But I see why alot of se fans are excited about the X1 i mean, 1. its SE branded, 2, the interface is very appeling ; but to tell you the truth i can see this phone getting boring in a matter of mins. At first sight most people are attracted to the operating system and the navigation, but be realistic how long do you think clicking on a bunch of lil windows that expand will keep you interested. It's not even like theres more to the customization on top of wm6, besides a Fishyazz clock. lol (Maby thats why it was delayed so long) Just giving an opinion though.
But anyone who is tired of se i recommend choosing an HTC phone. If you thought the A1 & a200 12 DESKTOP was beautiful wait till you see Touch Flow 3D on HTC's later models.
But anyone who is tired of se i recommend choosing an HTC phone. If you thought the A1 & a200 12 DESKTOP was beautiful wait till you see Touch Flow 3D on HTC's later models.
HTC and X1 are WM phones with fancy media players and pic browsers. Your post would have been better on any page <50 of this thread.
@max wedge:
One thing I agree on, iphone upped the anti on UI design. I'm keen to get a good look at X1 panels to see if I can make any real use of them. I'm especially keen to try the SDK and see what I can do in terms of designing my own panels that will allow me to add utility that suits me and not what some SE marketing guru thinks I want.
The panel API seems no more than a means of WM apps to communicate and conform to the behavior of the X-panels. There's nothing restricting WM apps from being finger friendly except by design.
Posted by Sirhackalot
http://www.engadget.com/2008/[....]ia-x1-is-so-good-htc-makes-it/
Thats all I have to say without HTC there is no Xperia without Xperia im damn sure last 8% market share will continue to drop.
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Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Yes HTC made the X1, but you clearly wrote that HTC designed it which is not true. SE designed the phone and designed their software shell (the panels), then they got HTC to build it.
Posted by Sirhackalot
my mistake should have paid closer attention. So all se has done was make the plastic case and an application that shortcuts to wm6 programs with fancy animations?!&%$ I think it should have been called the HTC X1
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Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Well I'd say quite a bit of attention was paid in creating such a beautiful design, with that awesome arc slider. And there's quite a bit of metal in there too, not just plastic! You've got to admit it looks a hell of a lot better than those HTC designs!
Oh yeah, and it's not like no other companies do this. Apple themselves don't own a single factory, and get Chinese OEMs to do the job for them. HTC has made phones for Palm and a few other brands too. Apparently Hewlett Packard outsources also.
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Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-10-23 03:28:00, Sirhackalot wrote:
my mistake should have paid closer attention. So all se has done was make the plastic case and an application that shortcuts to wm6 programs with fancy animations?!&%$ I think it should have been called the HTC X1
If you think that's all there is to X1 phone design then go enjoy your plasticy HTC and we'll enjoy the impeccably designed metal X1. Is there a phone that does more than shortcut to programs with fancy animations? I mean, don't they all do that?
Posted by Creid
anyone found a case for it yet ? cant find any
was thinking of getting a second psp slim soft cover ?
also Martin Fields Screen Protector.
I emailed martin fields they will sell after x1 is released in asia
Posted by Sirhackalot
On 2008-10-23 03:59:16, WhyBe wrote:
On 2008-10-23 03:28:00, Sirhackalot wrote:
my mistake should have paid closer attention. So all se has done was make the plastic case and an application that shortcuts to wm6 programs with fancy animations?!&%$ I think it should have been called the HTC X1
If you think that's all there is to X1 phone design then go enjoy your plasticy HTC and we'll enjoy the impeccably designed metal X1. Is there a phone that does more than shortcut to programs with fancy animations? I mean, don't they all do that?
Your missing the entire point, the statement I made was towards se (Sony Ericsson)'s contribution to the x1. It's called an se phone but all se have done was make the plastic case and a program that shows wm6 progs as shortcuts... Thats all.. HTC on the other hand have created the acutal phone.... you know the hardware... including the screen, keyboard, and buttons you will be pressing... Stating that i feel the phone should be called an HTC since the heart of the phone was created but HTC. Im sorry that your taking my opinon so seriously. I promise next time when se creates a good phone ill make you feel better by boasting it strengths.
Also just because i like to debate on matters
Plastic Vs Metal. I will be very happy dropping my plastic phones only recieveing a scratch while you can recieve dents that can potentially cripple the hardware inside it.(Happens to people in cars)
On 2008-10-23 03:46:12, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
Well I'd say quite a bit of attention was paid in creating such a beautiful design, with that awesome arc slider. And there's quite a bit of metal in there too, not just plastic! You've got to admit it looks a hell of a lot better than those HTC designs!
Oh yeah, and it's not like no other companies do this. Apple themselves don't own a single factory, and get Chinese OEMs to do the job for them. HTC has made phones for Palm and a few other brands too. Apparently Hewlett Packard outsources also.
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That i can totally agree on. Sony Ericsson still has the upper hand and my favor when it comes to designs... HTC's current production line reminds me of how nokia made the same phone over and gave them 2 different numbers.
Posted by max_wedge
On 2008-10-23 04:36:40, Sirhackalot wrote:
Your missing the entire point, the statement I made was towards se (Sony Ericsson)'s contribution to the x1. It's called an se phone but all se have done was make the plastic case and a program that shows wm6 progs as shortcuts... Thats all.. HTC on the other hand have created the acutal phone.... you know the hardware... including the screen, keyboard, and buttons you will be pressing... Stating that i feel the phone should be called an HTC since the heart of the phone was created but HTC. Im sorry that your taking my opinon so seriously. I promise next time when se creates a good phone ill make you feel better by boasting it strengths.
I think you are missing the point. It's the design, formfactor and ergonomics that SE make the phone better or worse than others, given adequate hardware. Any OEM can make durable hardware (if they try hard enough). SE themselves make durable hardware.
What's significant about the X1 is it's formactor and ergonomics. And of course looks is also important in a phone, you can deny it if you want, but imho ugly phones never do well in the mass market, even if they have small loyal followings.
Also just because i like to debate on matters
Plastic Vs Metal. I will be very happy dropping my plastic phones only recieveing a scratch while you can recieve dents that can potentially cripple the hardware inside it.(Happens to people in cars)
Plastic deforms when struck more than a rigid metal shell, therefore a sufficiently strong metal casing will provide more protection to internal components that don't take flexing very well.
Because it's metal it doesn't have to be super strong to withstand drops at any angle from a height of 2M or more WITHOUT flexing on impact, and without denting the case.
Even more so the same argument applies to metal chasis (such as the W910).
@whybe, of course you are right. I don't expect panels to be any kind of iphone thing, but I do hold out hope the panels will have some use. But what we really needs is app vendors to start writing finger friendly applications.
I also think it's time (WM7?) that microsoft pulled their finger out (sic) and started offering a finger friendly interface that extends through the whole of the WM UI topology (not just standby screen overlays).
Otherwise the fun ends as soon as you actually need to use an app. We want bigger X and OK buttons for example. Swipe scrolling. An onscreen keyboard more like the iphone (but still with HWR support of course).
That would be a good start.
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-10-23 04:36:40, Sirhackalot wrote:
Your missing the entire point, the statement I made was towards se (Sony Ericsson)'s contribution to the x1. It's called an se phone but all se have done was make the plastic case and a program that shows wm6 progs as shortcuts... Thats all.. HTC on the other hand have created the acutal phone.... you know the hardware... including the screen, keyboard, and buttons you will be pressing... Stating that i feel the phone should be called an HTC since the heart of the phone was created but HTC. Im sorry that your taking my opinon so seriously. I promise next time when se creates a good phone ill make you feel better by boasting it strengths.
Also just because i like to debate on matters
Plastic Vs Metal. I will be very happy dropping my plastic phones only recieveing a scratch while you can recieve dents that can potentially cripple the hardware inside it.(Happens to people in cars)
First of all, cars have mostly polymer/fiberglass bodies.
If you like debating, then make sure you have a factual basis for your argument(s)
The heart of the phone is the MSM7200a Qualcomm chipset...not made by HTC. Neither is the camera. HTC doesn't make LCD screens either. I could go on.
HTC is an ODM. ODM'ing is a common practice in any industry. Don't be foolish to think that because a device has a certain brand name that every component of that device is created by that particular manufacturer.
This all doesn't matter anyways, because HTC has yet to "teach SE a lesson" on premium phone design
Certainly, by now, HTC would have shown SE "how it's done."
Posted by AbuBasim
On 2008-10-23 05:43:36, WhyBe wrote:
The heart of the phone is the MSM7200a Qualcomm chipset...not made by HTC. Neither is the camera. HTC doesn't make LCD screens either. I could go on.
HTC is an ODM. ODM'ing is a common practice in any industry. Don't be foolish to think that because a device has a certain brand name that every component of that device is created by that particular manufacturer.
That HTC is an ODM means that SE has designed the X1 and HTC builds it for them. It doesn't imply anything about the maker of the individual components of the devices they manufacture. I doubt that there is even one company who has made every single component inside a product themselves. Not even IBM, who makes their own processors, have made all the other bits and bobs inside their large servers and mainframes. Disks, adapter cards, memory cards, etc are in most cases made by other companies. Only the heart, the processor, is IBM's own creation, from design to manufacturing.
Posted by Sirhackalot
@ WhyBe
I should have been more specific when mentioning heart... i ment it as hardware since we wer putting so much spot light on plastics/ metal and crap slow x panel with fish clock. OHH NOO i forgot SE is the best i mean sheesh every one knows smartphones are the market rave and ofcouse se's p series smartphone lineup with symbian has nothing on HTC.. (I mean sheesh SE is so good and cant tell no one anything espacially since all this recent positive rep n attention) occured since htc dropped 2 cents in se's downward ball game.) Thats like sayin Sony cant say fks to Ericsson when sony is the reason ericsson has gotten this far. I mean sheesh what is wm6 to symbian. :sigh: ALL hail to WhyBe he is so correct SE cant say anything to HTC, thats the exact reason why they probably have less marketshare then the manufactures of the #2 pencil... I mean come Nokia has 28% marketshare with all their so called crappy phones some of you se fans hate on. Sooner or later you'll open up and really see that se isnt the best and you would switch sooner or later if smart.
On 2008-10-23 05:43:36, WhyBe wrote:
On 2008-10-23 04:36:40, Sirhackalot wrote:
Your missing the entire point, the statement I made was towards se (Sony Ericsson)'s contribution to the x1. It's called an se phone but all se have done was make the plastic case and a program that shows wm6 progs as shortcuts... Thats all.. HTC on the other hand have created the acutal phone.... you know the hardware... including the screen, keyboard, and buttons you will be pressing... Stating that i feel the phone should be called an HTC since the heart of the phone was created but HTC. Im sorry that your taking my opinon so seriously. I promise next time when se creates a good phone ill make you feel better by boasting it strengths.
Also just because i like to debate on matters
Plastic Vs Metal. I will be very happy dropping my plastic phones only recieveing a scratch while you can recieve dents that can potentially cripple the hardware inside it.(Happens to people in cars)
First of all, cars have mostly polymer/fiberglass bodies.
If you like debating, then make sure you have a factual basis for your argument(s)
The heart of the phone is the MSM7200a Qualcomm chipset...not made by HTC. Neither is the camera. HTC doesn't make LCD screens either. I could go on.
HTC is an ODM. ODM'ing is a common practice in any industry. Don't be foolish to think that because a device has a certain brand name that every component of that device is created by that particular manufacturer.
This all doesn't matter anyways, because HTC has yet to "teach SE a lesson" on premium phone design
Certainly, by now, HTC would have shown SE "how it's done."
Don't be foolish to think that because a device has a certain brand name that every component of that device is created by that particular manufacturer
This is going back to the reason why i said htc design the phone. design dosent alway have to mean immediate apperance.
N cars are also covered in somthing call aluminum.... u know the part of the car thats usually sprayed and gives it its look n design n last time i checked the phone your arguing over is covered in metal perhaps aluminum 2 just like a car but instead of with mostly fiberglass n polymer there somthing call internal components, such as memory, screen, chips, boards, etc ...
Thanks for teaching me that cars bodies are made of mostly fiberglass and polymer. I mean i have seen wrecks with bent up metal and have acutally touched n felt that the body of the car is metal not fiberglass. I mean i would know its fiberglass after touching it from an ich or its structure. I have yet to see fyber glass bend n twist like aluminum body parts.
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Posted by pinguino1
What's wrong with this charlatan? Why you guys are paying attention?
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-10-23 08:12:26, pinguino2 wrote:
What's wrong with this charlatan? Why you guys are paying attention?
Yeah, you're right. What was I thinking
Posted by MyP910
On 2008-10-23 07:38:37, Sirhackalot wrote:
Your missing the entire point, the statement I made was towards se (Sony Ericsson)'s contribution to the x1. It's called an se phone but all se have done was make the plastic case and a program that shows wm6 progs as shortcuts... Thats all.. HTC on the other hand have created the acutal phone.... you know the hardware... including the screen, keyboard, and buttons you will be pressing... Stating that i feel the phone should be called an HTC since the heart of the phone was created but HTC. Im sorry that your taking my opinon so seriously. I promise next time when se creates a good phone ill make you feel better by boasting it strengths.
1) Obviously you have been mistaken badly here.
2) HTC is the ODM manufacturer for SE. The design comes from SE.
3) Do you know what design mean ? Design start with an event called design concept. It includes all the ideas, features, rough sketching, components list including manufacturer decision, all the pcb's drawing and components area and sourcing all the components.
4) The next stage is prototype. normally starts with limited clay model by mechanical design department and at this stage, all the PCBs and other components are fitted into the clay prototype and to be tested by all the electrical and mechanical enginners. At this stage, the prototype software has been written and can be tested by the electrical engineers. Normally the clay model is very limited to be used by the designers.
5) Some sector will have second prototype and at this stage, the proper mechanical body has been made. The electrical designers might change some of the electrical components except the main ICs and some modifications to be made to the pattern to meet the strict SE specifications. Than, all the prototypes will be sent to QA department for testing/evaluation. Any problems during QA must be rectified by the designers before next event can take place.
6) The process continue with pre-TM (pre trial mass pro), TMP (trial mass-pro), PP (Pre-production) until MP (Mass-production). All the stages except PP and MP are belongs to the design department. At each stage, QA judgment is needed in order to go to the next stage. Before PP (before design department transfer the responsibility to Production), an online judgment will be made by all respective department including QA, Design and Production and if it pass the online judgement, the process is transfered to production.
7) Now, the production stage is the responsibility of HTC, but is controlled and verified by SE QA.
- All the steps above are SE reponsibility except for the production. To summarise, the phone is designed by SE and manufatured by HTC.
Posted by goldenface
Spb chosen to create UI Panel for the Sony Ericsson's Xperia X1
Another free panel. Apologies if already posted.
@MyP910
V. Interesting, thanks.
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Posted by mediar
Looks nice.
Posted by S4k1s
On 2008-10-23 02:27:00, Sirhackalot wrote:
(matter a fact HTC designed the X1)
On 2008-10-23 04:36:40, Sirhackalot wrote:
Your missing the entire point, the statement I made was towards se (Sony Ericsson)'s contribution to the x1. It's called an se phone but all se have done was make the plastic case and a program that shows wm6 progs as shortcuts... Thats all.. HTC on the other hand have created the acutal phone.... you know the hardware... including the screen, keyboard, and buttons you will be pressing... Stating that i feel the phone should be called an HTC since the heart of the phone was created but HTC. Im sorry that your taking my opinion so seriously. I promise next time when se creates a good phone ill make you feel better by boasting it strengths.
You don't seem to understand what you read, and you are from the UK ffs!.
HTC had nothing to do with the X1 "design", what HTC got is a ODM contract to assemble the handset in their factories.
And why the hell are you so sarcastic and willing to spread your irony?
You got every single bit on your posts so wrong it's ridiculously laughable to read them. Sorry I can't stop laughing at your ignorance.
And when Muhammad-Oli, max_wedge, AbuBasim, WhyBe and MyP910 corrects you and prove you totally wrong, you go to the offense not using any whatsoever facts but again with sarcasm ignorance and irony...
I believe we have seen this "HTC made X1" claim one to many times now.
So I ask you this [so we can end this once and for all since most people are misinformed that the X1 is a device which it apparently is not] can you please provide us with solid information and facts and URL's on what exactly HTC brought to the X1 design and manufacturing process? (And this time without irony and sarcasm)
Posted by Nitro Fan
On 2008-10-23 02:55:00, mobman wrote:
i think its fair to say that the touch diamond isn't really a match for the x1! maybe the pro? as a matter of fact i'm wondering wether or not to stick with my p1 and getting a free ps3!
Bit big to carry around those PS3's IMHO
As so few people have actually managed to get their mitts on an X1 yet despite it supposedly being released on the last day of September, surely all this effort would perhaps be better focussed upon Pony Ericsson telling them to get the damn thing into the shops?
BTW at Victoria station in London there is a huge Plasma Screen showing ad's for the X1! and it claims you can link to it via Bluetooth to get product info it did not work for me so no change there good on ya
Posted by joel80
Hi..
I use my old P1i case for the X1. Fits nice... Bought a new one since my girlfriend has the P1i now and I want to keep scratches away from that one too.
Both a case and screen cover was bought at www.skalshop.se (Swedish site)
Quick delivery, ordered tuesday and got the package today.
The p1 case was 60sek and cover around 70-80sek i think. No charge for package or sending!
On 2008-10-23 04:06:54, Creid wrote:
anyone found a case for it yet ? cant find any
was thinking of getting a second psp slim soft cover ?
also Martin Fields Screen Protector.
I emailed martin fields they will sell after x1 is released in asia
Posted by Maggah
On 2008-10-23 10:37:24, goldenface wrote:
Spb chosen to create UI Panel for the Sony Ericsson's Xperia X1
Another free panel. Apologies if already posted.
@MyP910
V. Interesting, thanks.
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That panel has been on the SE website for like a month already.
Posted by Dogmann
Hi all,
As Nitro Fan has so well pointed out just what is going on was the X1 not meant to have launched in a few countries on 30th September? So how come only a few people in Sweden have them? this is not a little delay with no information on why this is weeks and counting. Now although it's gone quite again now how come still no Official confirmation from SE of the Ram in the X1 and not some really hard to believe hidden Ram=Vram and 3D acceleration rubbish to explain it?
Where are the launched retail units and how much Ram does it have and why yet again silence from SE it's beginning to look like the P990 all over again.
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Posted by WhyBe
Well, they've already officially stated the RAM is 256MB. There's only anecdotal evidence stating otherwise...nothing official.
Why it wasn't shipped worldwide on 9/30... At least the folks in Sweden got theirs. I imagine there are some production issues causing it to not be produced as fast as expected...but I'm guessing though.
Posted by max_wedge
right, there is no confusion about ram. It's 256MB, simple as that. The only reason there is still confusion is because people keep bringing up issue
Posted by S4k1s
@Dogmann: said the X1 would ship from the factory September 30th and first batch would be available in some markets shortly after, meaning beginning/mid October.
From what I can see nothing has changed so far on this subject, there are no delays.
About the RAM issue, I'm totally with you on that one.
Also it seems :se still do not believe in their products and therefore yet again do not have enough units available ready to ship OR screwed up with the RAM and is trying to fix this ASAP.
I guess we will find out pretty soon :]
Posted by masseur
my understanding is that distribution was temporarily halted due to a few carriers who found an issue in the firmware and this was being addressed, presumably by a firmware update, before the phone hit the mass market. Unfortunately this was too late for the initial batch made available in Sweden.
I never really understood why there is a RAM issue at all, if its 256mb... fine, that will do the job, if its more, great! By all accounts its 256mb but I sometimes get the feeling that some people are now just looking for reasons to complain about SE
anyway, 1 more week to go according to all retailers that I monitor then we'll get even more people confirming what the Swedish owners have already said
Posted by Indrawan
i think although x1 only has 256MB RAM but x1 is fast...
many people said the x1 is slow but for me, not at all...
Yes, panels transition from potret view to landscape is slow but i understand it...it is because there are 9 panels are active...it eats big RAM for it and dont forget the panels are a desktop not applications or shortcut and on a desktop there are many applications it means if there are 9 panels it is the same as it run application more than 9 applications at 1 time...No phone like this!
if you run 1 application on a desktop or panel..WOW it is very fast...it can be compared with Iphone speed even in application transition from potret to landscape also fast...
imagine if x1 only has 330MHZ and 128MB RAM...
how slow it is!!!
Posted by Dogmann
Hi all,
Sorry for upsetting anyone but i have been in Hospital for a little over a week having a Back Operation. On returning i hadn't read any clarification on the memory issue which is why i asked.
I think I've been round phones long enough to understand launch dates and what ever anyone wants to claim shipping from the factory to being available doesn't take over 3 weeks and close to a month please be realistic.
I now understand that the Networks spotting a problem is the cause of delay and that makes perfect sense and it's no big deal. What is though is yet once again when just a few simple press announcements from SE would of clarified both matters SE yet again remains stubbornly silent. You would of thought by now they may of improved their lack of communication with their users or then again maybe not.
Oh and for those of you on VodaFone i have just spoken to retentions and they are expecting the X1 to be available from tomorrow. Unfortunately they don't and won't have any details of prices an plans until then either but as a premium device most price plans will be 18 months was the only info she had. As i have a free upgrade available i may well get an X1 for a 14 day review and then sell it to one of you lot.
Marc
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Posted by MWEB
Saturday i hear it's available in the UK, but that has been pushed back twice this month, give it a couple more weeks before writing this one off Marc.
Posted by Nitro Fan
On 2008-10-23 05:43:36, WhyBe wrote:
On 2008-10-23 04:36:40, Sirhackalot wrote:
Your missing the entire point, the statement I made was towards se (Sony Ericsson)'s contribution to the x1. It's called an se phone but all se have done was make the plastic case and a program that shows wm6 progs as shortcuts... Thats all.. HTC on the other hand have created the acutal phone.... you know the hardware... including the screen, keyboard, and buttons you will be pressing... Stating that i feel the phone should be called an HTC since the heart of the phone was created but HTC. Im sorry that your taking my opinon so seriously. I promise next time when se creates a good phone ill make you feel better by boasting it strengths.
Also just because i like to debate on matters
Plastic Vs Metal. I will be very happy dropping my plastic phones only recieveing a scratch while you can recieve dents that can potentially cripple the hardware inside it.(Happens to people in cars)
First of all, cars have mostly polymer/fiberglass bodies.
If you like debating, then make sure you have a factual basis for your argument(s)
The heart of the phone is the MSM7200a Qualcomm chipset...not made by HTC. Neither is the camera. HTC doesn't make LCD screens either. I could go on.
HTC is an ODM. ODM'ing is a common practice in any industry. Don't be foolish to think that because a device has a certain brand name that every component of that device is created by that particular manufacturer.
This all doesn't matter anyways, because HTC has yet to "teach SE a lesson" on premium phone design
Certainly, by now, HTC would have shown SE "how it's done."
Errr before you start telling people off I really think you need to get YOUR facts right I am affraid to tell you that certainly in Europe most car bodies are "MAINLY" metal with some Polymer or Plastic panels and parts and as I work in motorsport and come into contact with very many American vehicles very few I have encountered have mainly plastic bodies apart from Vettes that is.
On 2008-10-23 14:51:43, WhyBe wrote:
Well, they've already officially stated the RAM is 256MB. There's only anecdotal evidence stating otherwise...nothing official.
Why it wasn't shipped worldwide on 9/30... At least the folks in Sweden got theirs. I imagine there are some production issues causing it to not be produced as fast as expected...but I'm guessing though.
Well I for one heard and saw the X1 product manager say had upped the X1 RAM to 384Meg RAM, I feel that is hardly anecdotal. I have not seen any Official statement clearing up the issue where can this be found please?
Posted by Dogmann
@Nitro Fan
I agree everyone was more than happy to extol the virtues of it having 384mb Ram and yet now those same people are happy to say there was no proof and it was always 284mb. It isn't really that important other than the confusion it seems to have caused and the lack of any clear and definitive information on which is correct from SE. I mean really just how difficult is it to tell us the correct info along with an official explanation for the delay. Bad communication is just that bad business practice.
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Posted by Caspa
Masters of suspense... or incompetent... You decide!
All those years ago when I was in the industry, release dates were never met... They were a figment of the imagination... Dont know whether thats changed, but looks like like to keep it real!
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Posted by goldenface
Will the extra ram really be that beneficial / less ram be that dentrimental?
Isn't how the device performs more important than who said what?
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Posted by Nitro Fan
On 2008-10-23 17:32:49, Caspa wrote:
Masters of suspense... or incompetent... You decide!
All those years ago when I was in the industry, release dates were never met... They were a figment of the imagination... Dont know whether thats changed, but looks like like to keep it real!
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Quality post PMSL
On 2008-10-23 17:38:54, goldenface wrote:
Will the extra ram really be that beneficial / less ram be that dentrimental?
Isn't how the device performs more important than who said what?
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2008-10-23 16:49 ]
Hi goldenface IMHO you are 100% correct BUT the X1's I have seen demonstrated look like they need every spare bit of RAM they can get their hands on they are very laggy,
X1 fanboys please don't flame me over this, I believe the evidence of my own eyes.
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Posted by WhyBe
RAM is not a magic elixir that solves all speed issues. There is a point of diminshing returns by increasing RAM. Someone tell me, if the RAM were increased to 384MB or 512MB, how would that make the X1 faster (technical explanation please)?
Nitro Fan wrote:
Errr before you start telling people off I really think you need to get YOUR facts right I am affraid to tell you that certainly in Europe most car bodies are "MAINLY" metal with some Polymer or Plastic panels and parts and as I work in motorsport and come into contact with very many American vehicles very few I have encountered have mainly plastic bodies apart from Vettes that is.
Errr before you start telling people off I really think you need to get YOUR facts right I am affraid to tell you that certainly in Europe most car bodies are "MAINLY" metal with some Polymer or Plastic panels and parts and as I work in motorsport and come into contact with very many American vehicles very few I have encountered have mainly plastic bodies apart from Vettes that is.
Well, I'm no car expert. I don't see any cars that have MAINLY metal bodies (outer panels)...at least not the ones I've been in an accident with I stand corrected if they are indeed mostly metal (but doubt it).
Well I for one heard and saw the X1 product manager say had upped the X1 RAM to 384Meg RAM, I feel that is hardly anecdotal. I have not seen any Official statement clearing up the issue where can this be found please?
Good ol' white paper.
Posted by pinguino1
On 2008-10-23 15:23:33, masseur wrote:
my understanding is that distribution was temporarily halted due to a few carriers who found an issue in the firmware and this was being addressed, presumably by a firmware update, before the phone hit the mass market. Unfortunately this was too late for the initial batch made available in Sweden.
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Every company may have productions problems. But most companies have the decency to explain. Their customers may feel disappointed but nOT IGNORED. So the lack of communication from SE is not acceptable. They are hurting their image worldwide very badly.
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Posted by Nitro Fan
On 2008-10-23 20:10:52, WhyBe wrote:
RAM is not a magic elixir that solves all speed issues. There is a point of diminshing returns by increasing RAM. Someone tell me, if the RAM were increased to 384MB or 512MB, how would that make the X1 faster (technical explanation please)?
Nitro Fan wrote:
Errr before you start telling people off I really think you need to get YOUR facts right I am affraid to tell you that certainly in Europe most car bodies are "MAINLY" metal with some Polymer or Plastic panels and parts and as I work in motorsport and come into contact with very many American vehicles very few I have encountered have mainly plastic bodies apart from Vettes that is.
Errr before you start telling people off I really think you need to get YOUR facts right I am affraid to tell you that certainly in Europe most car bodies are "MAINLY" metal with some Polymer or Plastic panels and parts and as I work in motorsport and come into contact with very many American vehicles very few I have encountered have mainly plastic bodies apart from Vettes that is.
Well, I'm no car expert. I don't see any cars that have MAINLY metal bodies (outer panels)...at least not the ones I've been in an accident with I stand corrected if they are indeed mostly metal (but doubt it).
Well I for one heard and saw the X1 product manager say had upped the X1 RAM to 384Meg RAM, I feel that is hardly anecdotal. I have not seen any Official statement clearing up the issue where can this be found please?
Good ol' white paper.
That will be the white paper they released BEFORE, the product manager told the world it had 384Mb RAM then?
Seriously until someone gets their hand on what are prepared to own up to being a final release model no one will know how well it runs on 256Meg or 384meg what ever it be! But what I have seen so far with 256Meg aint all that impressive
Posted by WhyBe
But what I have seen so far with 256Meg aint all that impressive
What are you expecting to see?
That Magnus gaffe was not an official announcement IMO.
Posted by Singapore_Air
Still waiting......................
Posted by Nitro Fan
On 2008-10-23 21:37:45, WhyBe wrote:
But what I have seen so far with 256Meg aint all that impressive
What are you expecting to see?
That Magnus gaffe was not an official announcement IMO.
Well if a "and the good news is" announcement at the global launch of a new product is not official I really do not know what is!
As for what I am expecting to see:
Well animated menus that don't stop when you ask the device to do something would be a start, my office colleague who is no "phone head" watched a demo with me and laughed! when he saw the amount of lag, his comment "what is the point of that animated menus the phone cant cope with!"? and I have to agree with him,
that is IMO going back to the days of windows95! If the device cant run the applications it is being asked to don't proceed, stop take stock and deliver a product that can cope