Posted by jalf
i think i will buy it in black....
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Posted by t0t0_b0y
@PK
Can you confirm that there is a camera at the front side of the Xperia for video call? On the SE website, it says it can do video calls but I don't see any secondary camera.
Thanks.
Posted by mode
On 2008-02-11 13:07:46, t0t0_b0y wrote:
@PK
Can you confirm that there is a camera at the front side of the Xperia for video call? On the SE website, it says it can do video calls but I don't see any secondary camera.
Thanks.
You can actually see it if you look at the live pics, it's at the ride side of the earpiece
Posted by t0t0_b0y
Are you sure? I don't see any difference between the RHS and LHS of the earpiece.
Posted by sealover94
The design is really poor ...
SE you may need new designers
@PK d sth
htc mobile with windows software and sonyericsson logo ...
Nothing new to me...
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Posted by Jimster71
It looks very nice, would like to get my hands on one to try it out.
Posted by Ibinco
Specs are awesome!!
Looks a bit too "fat" for my taste, and release 2nd half 2008 probably means 1st half 2009.
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Posted by PeterKay
On 2008-02-11 13:24:12, sealover94 wrote:
The design is really poor ...
SE you may need new designers
@PK d sth
You're the best my friend
Posted by anonymuser
On 2008-02-11 13:35:32, Ibinco wrote:
Specs are awesome!!
Looks a bit too "fat" for my taste, and release 2nd half 2008 probably means 1st half 2009.
I just did a size comparison, and was surprised to find it's actually thinner all round than the P1 - and ony few millimetres taller -
http://www.sizeasy.com/page/size_comparison/10179-SE-X1-vs-SE-P1
It adds about twenty grammes to the P1's weight, but it's still perfectly pocketable.
Posted by borgyt
wow awesome phone, looks and specs-wise!! but most probably this will come into the Philippines 2009 at the earliest... time to start saving up!!
i noticed though that on the QWERTY keypad, the key to the left of the smiley button is labeled as a blue rectangle. does anyone have an inkling what that key is for?
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Posted by anonymuser
On 2008-02-11 13:57:23, borgyt wrote:
i noticed though that on the QWERTY keypad, the key to the left of the smiley button is labled as a blue rectangle. does anyone have an inkling what that key is for?
It's probably just a Function key, to access the symbols shared on other keys (also coloured blue).
The Smiley button is a lot more intriguing!
It's a shame there are no cursor keys (I guess they just expect you to use the screen/joypad thing, but I'm used to being able to use the keyboard for that on my Tytn II) - but OTOH, the keys look nicely spaced out and everything else is there, included a dedicated comma key - something I miss on my Tytn, where it's one of those symbols you need the Fn button for...
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Posted by Dogmann
Hi all,
Seeing as few of you are wondering what i would be thinking here it is.
Firstly i think it it is a nice design and looks good the specs also seem good but it 's launch is to far off and this should of been a UIQ Device not a WM devcie as now it is juts like all the other WM devices out there.
A long with the fact that if it is being built by HTC with the software licensed from Microsoft it's not really going to do much for generating and increasing SE's profits even though it may help there market share.
Lastly i would like to point out just what a bunch of Hypocrites a lot of you are look through any of the Ty Tn v P1 type threads and you will see how many of you were happy to slag off WM for numerous perceived deficiencies but surprise surprise now SE is going to be using it is just wonderful and great so transparent and so sad. Yet again this nice product brings nothing new that isn't already available now and lets wait and see what the other manufacturers have in store and will deliver before this even hits the market.
Who knows maybe the P5 will be even better still than this?
Marc
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Posted by XPHCTOC
There are some differences between the device shown in this thread and the "official" pictures
instead of blue rectangle we can see on X1 mini website "fn"
instead of smiley there is a "ctrl" button
last instead of windows button there is an "esc"...
*-)
Posted by PeterKay
well spotted.
Posted by Tigershark42
On the live pics there is a secondary camera on the front. The presentation images dont show this either.
Posted by Wuz
My first reaction on seeing this phone was positive. I didn't think SE had the heart to produce high spec phones anymore - perhaps token efforts, but this is more than that.
But, and its a biggy.... I would re-emphasize the point that has been made several times already: It REALLY IS IMPORTANT WHEN THIS PHONE ACTUALLY COMES OUT.
If available today, I think many would agree that SE has boosted its credentials and would give it top marks. However, if the phone does not appear, for example until the end of the year, then I'm afraid to say that I will be underwhelmed. By then, it will have been over taken and left behind.
Never before, can I remember the time line being so important for an SE new release. The clocks ticking... the jury is out!
Posted by anonymuser
I agree completely, we have to remember that as good as this phone looks right now, it's not a million miles away from some of the Windows Mobile kit that's already out there. If you compare this to the Tytn II for example, it has a better display and it's smaller/lighter - but then the Tytn II was released in October last year, and it's odds on that there will be a Tytn III appearing around October this year. What improvements is it likely to have? Better display, size and weight! In fact, since the X1 is reportedly made by HTC, we may even be looking at the Tytn III already, with just an SE-designed exterior!
If the X1 is released in July, say, the chances are it will really stand out. If it's released at the end of the year, it may well be lost amongst very similar devices.
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Posted by sadeghi85
Welcome back, dogmann, but you agree that this is a good move from
?
Posted by nicopogi
suddenly, s60 feels less superior. SE's hardware aesthethics is fine and now with a promising tweaked and twisted OS it feels so much richer...
Posted by bijou
http://gizmodo.com/354853/vid[....]ds-on-sony-ericssons-xperia-x1
some thought from us.gizmodo
Posted by FreshPrince
On 2008-02-11 14:32:32, PeterKay wrote:
well spotted.
@PK
So it's the UIQ version of the X1?
Posted by anonymuser
Nice quote from SE on the X1, given in a Microsoft press conference today - as reported on Modaco:
We truly believe we can bring value and excitement to the market, and looking at the WinMo devices, we thought we could do better! We have Symbian, we have our own platform, but I think now in our view we are getting into a new stage for Sony Ericsson. We would like to focus on great UX, and we feel we can build something on Windows Mobile.
Sounds like they're not just in it for one handset...
Posted by laurenke01
@FreshPrince: No, it's just that there are multiple prototypes out--one with a finished keyboard and one without.
The UIQ version will be announced Wed.
Posted by DragonEye
@Dogmann
agree 100% this is nothing but a rebranded htc with an SE home screen and some "SONY Branding" the screen and chipset is nice.. but going windows mobile just seems like a low to me...
not to mention the UIQ devices announced don't seem to be able to use the new chipsets... shame on SE...and again 1 year late lol..
Posted by anonymuser
As a total convert to WM, I think more than a few people here are going to be surprised when they overcome their initial bias and actually try one of these out.
UIQ to Windows Mobile involves a little learning curve, but that's all. Contrary to popular opinion, Windows Mobile is just as stable as UIQ if not more so, and many times more powerful in terms of the application support, customisation etc. It's unbeatable for business use, with perfect Exchange integration, and PC synchronisation that makes SE's efforts with UIQ look completely amateur.
The way some talk around here, you'd think UIQ was the holy grail of perfection in an OS, and WM was just an unworkable mess. In reality neither is true - the two UI's are really a lot closer than you'd think. WM could learn some tricks from UIQ/Symbian in terms of power saving, and longer battery life, but UIQ can't hold a candle to WM in many other areas, and it's difficult for me to see just how the UIQ interface is any more useable than WM, now that I've gotten used to both.
Posted by Supa_Fly
On 2008-02-11 16:10:36, DragonEye wrote:
@Dogmann
agree 100% this is nothing but a rebranded htc with an SE home screen and some "SONY Branding" the screen and chipset is nice.. but going windows mobile just seems like a low to me...
not to mention the UIQ devices announced don't seem to be able to use the new chipsets... shame on SE...and again 1 year late lol..
Wrong. I would NOT DARE make such a simple assumption or statement.
1) The CPU is a joint development between Ericsson & TI > this is like an insultive stab to HTC (since they left their Aug 2007 chip agreement with Ericsson and went to Qualcomm). Just to show HTC Ericsson has still got intellectual PULL if you will.
2) Remember, Touch UI is NOT just a homescreen that HTC made. There are other improvements to the WM6 Pro GUI that were done; address book finger scrolling, Pocket IE finger scrolling, and others that you don't find in other PPC PE devices like Palm Treo 750 or HTC's own TyTN I model. I highly doubt that this is just Ericsson's home screen either.
3) Optical finger navigation is VERY similar to what Samsung has on the i780 device and ONLY they have this!
There are still other improvements that I'm sure that
is NOT going to show us for others to simply have their coding teams "photocopy" or for the aspiring l33t coder to make it freeware.
Nokia S60 Touch STILL has a few things to surprise us so lets see what EVERYBODY has to offer this week.
PS unless memory or SSD becomes EXTREMELY CHEAP & smaller over the next few months and a 1yr target for competitors; then the X1 will definately hold its own as HTC will begin to move more and more in the TabletPC and UMPC space.
Posted by DragonEye
@Boinng
wm6 isn't that bad.. it's just ugly and i don't like how it does certain things... but you're right it does have a lot of upside...
but seeing that start bar makes me want to chuck it out the window lol
Posted by Jimster71
On 2008-02-11 15:59:44, FreshPrince wrote:
@PK
So it's the UIQ version of the X1?
No, it isn't.
Posted by laurenke01
According to this site, the X1 has the touch-auto focus the G-series does.
http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/8971.html
Can anyone confirm?
Posted by nk126
FWIW, I just attended SE's virtual press conference for the North American market. Here's my summary (which will appear on Phonedog.com shortly), including a few things about X1 that you probably knew ... but maybe didn't:
MWC 2008: Live from Sony Ericsson's North American Press Conference
No doubt, it's been a big week already for Sony Ericsson. SE dropped a fistful of devices at their pre-MWC press gathering in Barcelona Sunday, including the do it all Xperia X1 smartphone. The folks from SE were kind enough to hold a virtual press conference just now (Monday morning California time) to address product plans and questions about the North American market. Here are the highlights:
- No, SE wouldn't give any pricing information on the X1 other than to say that it's a "high end" device and will be priced accordingly. Sony + "High End" usually = $$$$.
- Yes, lots of North American carriers are in a tizzy about the Xperia X1, but no, SE won't say anything about who might wind up carrying it in the US or Canada. And yes, the X1 might be sold as an unlocked device, but not really yes because SE leaves that kind of thing up to their distribution partners. So, no, there's no real news about carriers.
- Yes, SE worked with HTC on the Xperia X1, but they wouldn't disclose any details about the arrangement. It's been reported on the Web this week that HTC "built" the X1, while SE "built" the custom Xperia Panels software layer that sits atop the standard Windows Mobile interface.
- Yes, the X1 uses a version of Windows Mobile customized for finger input on a touchscreen. And yes, it uses Windows Media Player. No, it doesn't use SE's Walkman software.
- Yes, the X1 supports video conferencing.
- Yes, SE will be upping their presence in the North American market this year. While several devices announced in Barcelona this week don't support North American HSDPA bands, SE will be unveiling new "Walkman, Cyber-Shot, and other devices" with NA-friendly HSDPA in the latter part of 2008. SE's marketing folks also reminded us of the w760 Walkman phone and its triple-band HSDPA, which was unveiled at CES last month.
- No, the fact that the X1 is SE's first WIndows Mobile device does not spell - or imply - the end of SE handsets running Symbian's UIQ platform.
- Yes, the X1 has a standard 3.5mm audio jack.
- No, none of the other new SE devices have a standard 3.5mm audio jack. They all continue to use SE's proprietary Fastport connector.
And while SE answered the first two questions I typed into the chat room, they totally dodged my inquiry about possible further announcements coming from their camp this week. Rumor has it that two Symbian UIQ-running SE smartphones - the "Paris" (aka P5i) and "Beibei" (Walkman smartphone) may be unleashed in conjunction with a Symbian media event on Wednesday.
Posted by G-Izzat
Thanks, nk126.
Posted by nk126
Oh, also, Microsoft is acquiring Danger, creators of the Sidekick. I wonder if we'll see some more mainstream offshoot of Windows Mobile before too long. And I wonder if it'll show up on one of the next Xperia devices?
Posted by jack00
And while SE answered the first two questions I typed into the chat room, they totally dodged my inquiry about possible further announcements coming from their camp this week. Rumor has it that two Symbian UIQ-running SE smartphones - the "Paris" (aka P5i) and "Beibei" (Walkman smartphone) may be unleashed in conjunction with a Symbian media event on Wednesday.
wouldn't this kill the sales of the X1 ?
Posted by anonymuser
On 2008-02-11 17:52:59, jack00 wrote:
wouldn't this kill the sales of the X1 ?
I'd be more afraid of the X1 killing the P5, if I was SE. I think they'll have to differentiate them in some substantial way - moving the P5 away from business, for starters, and making it more consumer oriented.
Posted by jack00
including dvb-h would be one way, that would definitly make sense
Posted by famous12
everyone please see this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZJlrO37zXs
Posted by PeterKay
On 2008-02-11 18:08:16, famous12 wrote:
everyone please see this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZJlrO37zXs
what is it?
can't watch it where i am currently.
Posted by makbil
I don't like the concept of a WM based device replacing the P990 as the next business phone. There are already a few WM devices that are available today and are a good match for the X1. Let's see what the next high end UIQ device brings us.
Posted by jack00
On 2008-02-11 18:15:35, PeterKay wrote:
On 2008-02-11 18:08:16, famous12 wrote:
everyone please see this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZJlrO37zXs
what is it?
can't watch it where i am currently.
FAQ with some sony ericsson representatives
Posted by mrMobile
SE made windows mobile, now will see no more competition, only windows mobile phones. Nokia might be start making windows mobile soon so for us consumers higher and slow technology progress. If you have more than 1 OS, you have competition, technology moves faster and its cheaper to buy.
Posted by xell
On 2008-02-11 18:15:35, PeterKay wrote:
what is it?
can't watch it where i am currently.
"Sony Ericsson FAQ about Xperia X1" 09:13m
Posted by Drasko
In Gizmodo vid the guy sais it has 1500mAh battery (or 1400mAh, I'm not sure cause of his accent)
Screen is pretty mirror like at certain angles!
Posted by nikos_se
i think xperia will make an impact in the usa cause us customers prefer windows mobile to uiq.also windows mobile mean some success for se in the usa cause uiq is an unknown word to them
Posted by Lemmin
On 2008-02-11 17:56:54, Boinng wrote:
On 2008-02-11 17:52:59, jack00 wrote:
wouldn't this kill the sales of the X1 ?
I'd be more afraid of the X1 killing the P5, if I was SE. I think they'll have to differentiate them in some substantial way - moving the P5 away from business, for starters, and making it more consumer oriented.
Um. The X1 is clearly a consumer device, not a business one. All the X1 information is about how it is a "premium multimedia device" and all about "the experience". Its clearly being aimed at the iPhone, not as a business phone. Theres little mention of business features for the X1.
I think the P5i will continue to be SEs business smartphone of choice. Certainly the P5 should include all the "fun" features as well - music, movies etc, but that doesn't mean it won't be marketted at serious users.
Both devices may be equally capable (I hope so, and I hope they both look as sexy) - what it usually comes down to is how they are marketted, and its pretty clear that so far the X1 is NOT being marketted as a business device.
LEM
Posted by PeterKay
On 2008-02-11 18:25:07, Xellar wrote:
On 2008-02-11 18:15:35, PeterKay wrote:
what is it?
can't watch it where i am currently.
"Sony Ericsson FAQ about Xperia X1" 09:13m
Thanks for that.
Posted by nelshh
I think alot of people tend to see Windows Mobile as a operative system primarily for business purposes, which is why I'm currently _really_ interested in seeing their strategy with the X1's marketing in relation to the launch of the "P5i"-handset.
I have problems seeing alot of "serious" users using the X1, I think they'll find this phone to have too much of a bling-bling character.
Strange is what it is, but alot of fun and bloody interesting.
Cheers!
Posted by Lemmin
Interesting in that FAQ video he clarifies that its aGPS not built in GPS - so it seems it doesn't have real GPS, just the aGPS software capability. Looks like X1 users will need that GPS headset after all.
LEM
Posted by Nanu
On 2008-02-11 18:50:24, Lemmin wrote:
Interesting in that FAQ video he clarifies that its aGPS not built in GPS - so it seems it doesn't have real GPS, just the aGPS software capability. Looks like X1 users will need that GPS headset after all.
LEM
He is referring to the imaging phone not the X1, and aGPS is assistedGPS if there is no GPS built in what exactly is it assisting???
Posted by Tigershark42
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGPS
I dont see why itd need the headset. Not only functionally, but that would be silly design, having to have a headset plugged in when all you want is the GPS function, the headset would just get in the way, as youd have the handset on the dashboard or something. Also, would this headset work with the 3.5mm jack? Dont think so. How else? Beats me.
Posted by Lemmin
On 2008-02-11 18:55:23, Nanu wrote:
On 2008-02-11 18:50:24, Lemmin wrote:
Interesting in that FAQ video he clarifies that its aGPS not built in GPS - so it seems it doesn't have real GPS, just the aGPS software capability. Looks like X1 users will need that GPS headset after all.
LEM
He is referring to the imaging phone not the X1, and aGPS is assistedGPS if there is no GPS built in what exactly is it assisting???
I may not understand aGPS, but I think its a service whereby a mobile phone could use a fixed base station to improve accuracy and speed, and reduce the need for on-phone processing power by doing some of the GPS signal processing at the base station. The base station can use the phones cell-site to help pinpoint it, and thus reduce the time it takes to get location fix.
I'm assuming that it would let the phone, in conjunction with an external GPS unit, improve its accuracy and time-to-fix...
If the X1 had proper GPS, surely they would make more of it? Its still not that common in phones that people take it for granted... theres no mention of mapping or location based services.
I'll have to watch the video again when I have a moment, check which phone he is talking about. Since its an xperia FAQ, I assumed thats what he was refering to.
LEM
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