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Posted by WhyBe

On 2008-06-17 21:34:59, Dogmann wrote:
Hi WhybE

Sorry but i don't accept what Chombos is saying as it is not VGA H.264 as he claims. Which is why if you read many of threads here people need something like Coreplayer to play H.264 properly and in Sync and in VGA.

So, what's wrong with that?

Well done, everyone knows the E90 isn't small but if size is so important to buy a nice looking thin device and pay the price in cut down abilities. But as i never put any phone in a pocket but in a nice leather case that goes on my waist the weight isn't a problem for a big strong man like myself after all it's only 210gms not pounds.
As i have said before i will happily take the larger size and weight for a 4" screen and 57 key keyboard as opposed to saving a little and getting a cut down keyboard instead. Plus of course all the other things my E90 does that the X1 can't and will of done for so long before we even see the X1 released never mind if it will be stable or not.

That's fair. All of us have different criteria for choosing a phone. I, for one, like them feature packed, small, with a smart, attractive design. I actually considered and wanted the e90 until I became aware of the X1 and p5i. The only thing that kept me from buying the e90 was it's size, lack of touchscreen and it couldn't do HSDPA in the U.S.


The fact is, there is still no indication that X1 doesn't play H.264 VGA @ 30fps. I don't think the e90 can encode it realtime either.


Posted by Dogmann
@WhyBe

Well if you had bothered reading about the link i gave you about the E90 you would realise it can and does both record and play H.264 @up to 30fps. As do the other OMAP 2420 powered devices and this is one of the things that separates these devices from the rest.

As to what's wrong with having to buy another player to compliment the not good enough one in the device well despite it costing you extra for functionality that i already have so don't need it not a lot.

Also i don't know if you noticed some one has posted some answers from SE in the C905 thread and he says the X1 is due Q4 2008. So that makes it October to December now, also the P5 has not been announced although there may be some announcement about UIQ next week but some are saying it has been cancelled.

@QVGA and all

Again i have tried various different formats on the E90 and can say that there is indeed a difference between 3gp, H.263 and H.264. Also i don't encode my Films or TV shows @30fps but at 25fps and despite what many of you think the quality is nothing short of stunning and extremely watchable on a 4" screen. It is completely different to trying to watch the same on 2-2.8" screens. It really is not comparable at all and why i will find it very hard to go back to a small screened device again even 2.8" is to small for me now and i wouldn't dream of using a 2.2" screen again ever.


Marc



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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-06-17 22:23 ]

Posted by WhyBe

On 2008-06-17 23:22:04, Dogmann wrote:
@WhyBe

Well if you had bothered reading about the link i gave you about the E90 you would realise it can and does both record and play H.264 @up to 30fps....

You talking about that link you provided many pages ago? I looked at that, back then, and couldn't find anything indicating h.264 encode @ 30fps or 24fps.

Posted by tonyitalian
does anyone know the latest approximate availability date for the xperia x1??
ive been waiting too long now, and think i mite get the samsung i900 omnia, wat do u say?? or is the xperia worth the wait.........but wen is it coming??

Posted by Dogmann
Hi WhyBe

Well i really can't understand how you missed it as this quote is taken from the first page.


"The E90 records video clips in MPEG-4 format with AAC audio (48 kHz mono). Max supported quality is VGA (640x480 pixels), 30 frames per second. Digital video stabilisation helps reduce unwanted vibrations. Video quality is superb - please see the sample clips below. They're clear and free of compression artefacts and the VGA resolution is only a tad smaller than standard PAL or NTSC resolution which means that you can watch your clips on a TV set or burn them onto a DVD disc without any noticeable quality loss. So the E90 can replace a basic camcorder, too (with the only exception being the lack of optical zoom). And if so then the 210 g it weighs really shouldn't be considered too much... I'm not sure if any Windows Mobile based device provides video recording quality that comes close to what the E90 offers."

Or this on the second page

" In video mode settings include: scene modes (auto or night), white balance modes (auto, sunny, cloudy, incandescent, fluorescent), colour tones (normal, sepia, black & white, vivid, negative), video quality (5 levels from low-res 3GPP to VGA 30 fps MPEG4), video stabilisation (on/off) and audio recording (on/mute)."

I hope that has cleared things up for you.

Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-06-17 23:03 ]

Posted by WhyBe

On 2008-06-18 00:02:04, Dogmann wrote:

Well i really can't understand how you missed it as this quote is taken from the first page.

"The E90 records video clips in MPEG-4 format with AAC audio (48 kHz mono). Max supported quality is VGA (640x480 pixels), 30 frames per second...

Those specs are exactly the same as X1. I just don't get what you're basing your complaint on.

mpeg4 does not automatically mean h.264.

Posted by chombos1

On 2008-06-17 21:34:59, Dogmann wrote:


@Chombos well how about here where you say

"no man.... not correct.
even my P990 - P1 - K850 - W910 - ..... can all play (((H.264 format))) QVGA@30fps... "

I think that's where you say it is indeed QVGA and not VGA is it not? So OK then why do so many people complain and have trouble paying VGA H.264 files and need to resort to using Coreplayer then? or H.263 or 3gp files instead then?

...




Hi man.
If you look closely.
You see that the word QVGA@30fps is for the phone models i have mentioned.
And none of them has any kind of H264 encoding.

This was just an example to show you that playing and decoding a video is much less CPU hungry than encoding them.


And with the X1 having the capability to encode VGA@15fps H264

Then decoding a WVGA@30fps will not be a concern.
You can be 100% sure of that.

Good luck.


@whybe
Mpeg4 does not automatically mean H.264 but...

E90 records video in H.264 *.mp4 at VGA@30fps

[ This Message was edited by: chombos1 on 2008-06-17 23:32 ]

Posted by WhyBe
@chombos1:
It doesn't make sense that it records that, but, can only play it back at 24fps. Not logical at all.

None of us are even mentioning bitrates...one of the most important factors in compressed video quality.


Posted by WhyBe
Check out page 7 and page 8 of the BengalBoy review. He just installed a new ROM version into the X1.



these are new things he initially noticed. Further review will be forthcoming Bookmark his site!

Here's a quote:
...Unlike BoyRetard, I take my time.... I post facts after extended use of a device... I don't put finger to keyboard and post shit to mislead or confuse people.... so, give me some time.... let me use the new ROM update for a few days and as I discover and use the new features I can give you a informed opinion instead of the shit BoyRetard spews from his site because he's always "talk'n outta his ass"



[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-06-18 01:50 ]

Posted by Humble
Its very interesting that the updated rom on the BengalBoys website states that it has a TouchFlo folder, So Maybe we have a choice between Panels and TouchFlo, I have a Hunch that the SEX1 this will be released around mid November, I definitely be keeping my eye on it , Sony Ericsson have to really look to the Gods for guidance and pray that the NEXT GEn are seriously delayed and come out late 2009, The next iteration for the Xperia will have to be the following year (2009) just to keep up, The Time frame seems too compressed for such a revision,
This is only speculation but Im going from pass experiences,


Posted by WhyBe

On 2008-06-18 10:09:19, Humble wrote:
...Sony Ericsson have to really look to the Gods for guidance and pray that the NEXT GEn are seriously delayed and come out late 2009, The next iteration for the Xperia will have to be the following year (2009) just to keep up, The Time frame seems too compressed for such a revision...

For all we know, the "X2" is in development right now and will be based on the Next-Gen platform.
If someone does release a Next-Gen so soon in 2009, who would release it? RIM, HTC, SE, Apple, Samsung, etc. are all releasing their top products right now. Maybe, due to price-points, the first iteration of next-gen phones will be mid-range because fully featured ones would cost too much. Another factor is that software must be developed to take advantage of Next-Gen hardware.

Hmmm, something to think about...

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-06-18 12:10 ]

Posted by mediar
I think X2 should use Windows Mobile 7.0, not Mindows Mobile 6.1.

Posted by Yakkaimono
@ Mediar
The successor of the X1 can also use UIQ.

Posted by Dogmann
@WhyBe

The next generation devices are already well under development to think otherwise is just unrealistic and you missed NOKIA in that list. Who although only releasing a mid range touch device this year have more and higher spec devices coming H1 2009. HTC will have WM7 early 2009 as will most of the other manufacturers and if not WM7 they will have devices based on next Generation chip's.

SE just don't release follow up premium devices so fast and never have done, you can expect at least a Year before you see an upgrade. Anyway who's going to by an upgrade to their expensive device only a matter of months later? We are not talking a $100 throw away phone here but a $1000+ device.

As for the Pimp being the Oracle of truth well that's just so funny, The Boy Genius Breaks far more exclusives and has a far better reputation than Pimp man ever will. His bans and reputation proceed him only the minority(SE Faithful) hang on his every word and for good reason to.

Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-06-18 16:29 ]

Posted by Dups!

On 2008-06-18 13:58:31, Yakkaimono wrote:
@ Mediar
The successor of the X1 can also use UIQ.


Now that would just be perfect!

Posted by Humble
I am very new to the mobile scene, I dont want to offend boy genius The review of the X1 by him seems somewhat lackadaisical, I am not sure about his reputation but people do speak high of him, Maybe hes a little camera shy, and tends just to thumb around the device twisting it limp wristed like its unimportant, (hehehe) However Marc hits it on the head of the nail (till theres sparks) and goes into the much details about the minor idiosyncrasies in the device which is very refreshing, but to be honest after seeing boy genius view I had a slight negative view to the X1, but the bengal boy pimped it up so to speak for me, I just hope there isnt the dreaded bluetooth problem which i had in my Touch cruise which i corrected used a hot reflow rework tool on the cpu, its reassuring that Marc says that the sony ericsson bluetooth stack is rugged and more developed than other manufacturers

Posted by WhyBe
@Dogmann
Once again, you've just restated what I already said about next-gen devices. Thanks

I not into whose better, BengalBoy or BoyGenius, I don't know. But BengalBoy's review is obviously very thorough..not thrown together. I've gotten more info from BB about X1 than BG.

Posted by WhyBe
Why does TouchFlo 3D need a button? What does the button do?

Posted by aksd
TouchFlo is actually not one thing. Its an entire package, one component of HTC's touch flo is included in the X1 and thats the Kinetic Scrolling bit. I think maybe the finger friendly start menu as well as top bar maybe included as well. I doubt the today plugin which many refer to as TOuchFLo 2.0 is part of the package this is highly unlikely as SE have their own today plugin, not 3D and stuff, thats taken care of by the panels. What you achivev using HTC's touch flo you can achieve on the X1 with the panels, and I suppose the Media Player should be superior to HTC's solutions, but I'd still use CorePlayer due to the varied number of codecs is supports.

Posted by WhyBe
Thanks aksd:
But, is a hardware TouchFlo button necessary (if it really exists on the X1)?

Posted by aksd
Nope, that might be the X-Panel button, can you link me to any reference to this hardware touchFLo button? If it was posted somewhere it is surely a mistake as no HTC has a touch Flo button either.

Posted by WhyBe

On 2008-06-19 14:40:10, aksd wrote:
Nope, that might be the X-Panel button, can you link me to any reference to this hardware touchFLo button? If it was posted somewhere it is surely a mistake as no HTC has a touch Flo button either.


It was mentioned in one of the posts in BengalBoy's review. It didn't make sense to me either. I think the button in question is the non-operational screen orientation button. Here's the quote that made me wonder:
Over at esato, a few weeks back, 1 guy claimed that x1 will hav touchflo and the orientation key will become a dedicated key for touchflo. Atleast i didnt believe him as it sounded way too good to be true. But, now u say, there is a possibility of getting touchflo with x1. So, maybe, the orientation key will become a dedicated touchflo key and x1 will have auto orientation.


Posted by rontysee
@ whybe
Well, i m the one that wrote abt it. A few weeks back, i read abt it on esato itself. I didnt even believe that X1 will come with touchflo but now Bengalboy says there is a good chance of this being true. So, i thought maybe the entire assumption was right. I cant find the post right now to show you. I also know that touchflo doesnt need any dedicated key but you never know whats on the mind of the ppl at SE. They might be developing something on the lines of touchflo and might name it something else. Who cares anyway. I m pretty excited abt what kind of softwares might be getting developed at handango for xperia

Posted by aksd
That might be an error on his part. From a logical perspective dont you think its absolutel hillarious that a today screen plugin gets activated/deactivated by the touch of a button? What it might mean is that you can enable/disable Kinetic scrolling not the Today plugin. Imagine how much RAM they'd need then. As far as I know the Diamond uses approxiamtely close to 50MB for the UI, SE with their today plugin + 3D animation panel will require a bit more than that imo so say 120MB for both plugins together, the OS will require another 40-50 MB or more in reality as the screen is larger more info to process, that makes it 170MB then yuo have the startup programs another 5-10MB say 180MB that leaves the user with 70MB which is highly unlikely imo and this is calculating on the least possible RAM.

Now also imagine that the conflicts arising between these two interfaces and its toll on the processor, TOuchFLo itself is sometimes laggy imagine touchflo + 3D panels, LOL! You might as well use a 6600 it would end up faster dont you think .

Now what can be a possibility, is if Manila/TOuchFlo 2.0 is successfully extracted you can disable panels and use TOuchFlo 2.0, this might be a possibility, but it definatley wont be assigned to a hardware button.

HAndango do not develop software they just sell them. @Whybe this is what I mean earlier when I said dont mislead people about app development. What Handango are doing is asking devs to port their apps to the WVGA res of the X1 and to make future apps X1 compatible THAT IS ALL. You're not going to see some break through stuff that will make you in awe of how amazing the X1 is when compared to another WM device OS, they both will be the same, HTC will have its pre installed app and the SE X1 will have a few HTC preinstaled apps + SE's preinstalled media player, today plugin and a few others bits.

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[ This Message was edited by: aksd on 2008-06-19 15:29 ]

Posted by rontysee
I get it. I just thought that bengalboy's x1 can run panels smoothly even with 128 mb RAM. So, if SE added the extra 128mb, they might be developing something big that requires more RAM than the old proto. And about the orientation key, i assumed that x1 will have auto orientation either via hardware or software and the orientation button will be used for something else. So, i thought that it could be for touchflo but thats a wrong logic on my part. I just hope that SE manages to pull this 1 off as i have a lot of expectations from it.

Posted by aksd
I very much doubt bengal boys SE X1 has all the preinstalled apps that will debut with the retail X1. Also what was the free RAM on bengalboys unit, anything less that 50 MB would make it quite pathetic at multitasking when comapred to current gen phones. SE will have a bit more eyecandy for use in the form of image viewers, mediaplayer etc.. and if the panel is auto loaded along with all apps such as media player, rss feeds, several types of today screens image viewer etc.. it would require a lot of RAM. Thats the case with the DIamond, all the apps on the today screen see to be loaded onto the RAM.


Posted by d-southwest
Here again a little preview video i found, here you can see that its much faster, but tha bad news is that tha site is dutch

http://www.allaboutphones.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2851#hfd5

Peace

Posted by WhyBe
Thanks for clearing that up rontysee.

@aksd:
I will keep an eye on the BengalBoy thread for the remaining RAM (I'm assuming you're unable to access it?).

As far as Handango developing apps, I never said or alluded to them doing so. If people interpret my words or read between the lines incorrectly, I can't really control that beyond being clear and providing links The main point though, is that software is being developed with the X1 specifically in mind. That's a good thing. Whether or not it's being developed by company A, or B, or someone's grandmother, is irrelevant at this point

I'm trusting will do the right things regarding having sufficient RAM for the X1 program execution. Bumping from 128MB to 256MB is indication they are watching closely. What's a realistic amount of free RAM available for a WM device?

I also just saw the post on BB stating that the X1 does indeed have stereo speakers. WOW, how do they squeeze all of that into such a small package? I think Sony has magic elves that work for them I don't know the value of stereo speakers on a unit so small (they must sound like crap), but if they're there, then so be it .

@Dogmann
Here is a link of the X1 playing an h.264 video VGA @ 30fps...and you say your e90 only plays h.264 at 24fps???

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-06-19 21:17 ]

Posted by d-southwest
Thanks WhyBe for the links

Peace

Posted by aksd
With 192MB RAM on board on the Diamond you have 50MB free
With 128MB on board on the TyTn II you've got about 65MB free

It really depends how many apps are loaded onto the RAM due to the panel and how much RAM the panel consumes. Also WM6.1 is a bigger RAM hog than WM6. Plus VGA apps consume more RAM than QVGA apps. I'm assuming we should have 100MB free RAM at boot on the X1 which is sufficent.

Posted by WhyBe
Thanks aksd:
So what's the typical WM program's RAM consumption? I know it varies, but are we talking approximately 1, 2, 5, or 10MB?

Posted by aksd
It really depends.

But a 1MB application on a QVGA device if written in native should consume about 2-3MB on a VGA device due to the more information to be processed.

It really depends, I just checked playing Music on coreplayer on the TyTn II consumes 6MB RAM. And I imagine it should be a wee bit more on a VGA screen, 8-10MB.

Some apps will hardly take a few hundred kb of RAM, so it really depends on the apps you are running, with about 60MB of free RAM I can open quite a few applications > 10 actually, and nobody needs so many apps open at the same time now do they .

More RAM actually benefits in other ways, part of the RAM I've used to enlarge the caches, that makes the phone faster as more information maybe cached and produced on demand rather than reloading everything. Part of my RAM has been converted into a RAM disk for temporary internet files. So starting out at about 60MB I've got 45MB free, which is more than enough for basic day to day running.

I hope this answers your questions.

Posted by WhyBe
Yes, thanks, it does aksd

Posted by Humble
Looks like what I was talking about is happening ........HTC are going to release a device based probably based on next gen platform THIS YEAR Q4!!(speculation hmmmm) what do you think windows mobile 7 2009 Q1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i told you so
http://phonereport.info/2008/[....]d-q4-windows-mobile-7-q1-2009/
hmmmm i wonder what this device is going to be running android lol
msm7850 perhaps

[ This Message was edited by: Humble on 2008-06-20 13:34 ]

Posted by WhyBe

On 2008-06-20 14:32:50, Humble wrote:
Looks like what I was talking about is happening ........HTC are going to release a device based probably based on next gen platform THIS YEAR Q4!!(speculation hmmmm) what do you think windows mobile 7 2009 Q1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i told you so
http://phonereport.info/2008/[....]d-q4-windows-mobile-7-q1-2009/
hmmmm i wonder what this device is going to be running android lol
msm7850 perhaps

I think you're reading too much into that article. At best, something will be announced at the end of this year, not released. HTC aren't going to cannibalize their Touch Pro and Diamond sales so soon. It will be interesting to see how both the Android and WM7 devices turn out, though.

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-06-20 15:05 ]

Posted by Humble
I may just hold out till December and see whats HTC have under their sleeves, I agree with you Whybe, It would seem a Tad illogical moments after releasing Touch Diamond/ Pro to release something straight away.....We'll just have to wait and see, But looks like the wheels turning alittle faster, Maybe They need to Have a head start on other Manufacturers,
The choice is between Android and WM7

Posted by WhyBe
@aksd
I asked BengalBoy about his RAM after boot and he says 33.37MB remaining after boot. Which, at first, seemed a little discouraging until he noted that he was still using a 128MB X1 Wow, does he really have a 128MB unit with panels running that smoothly? So much for the theory about the additional RAM (256MB total) being added to get the panels working properly (or whatever that theory was ). Whose theory was that, anyways?
BB also stated that he will be getting a commercial unit in a week or so. He'll have more info on the apps coming in a few days.

@Dogmann
I hope you still have the box to your e90 so you can sell it on eBay. You should still be able to fetch a nice amount for it before the X1 hits the market.

Posted by aksd

On 2008-06-20 19:31:51, WhyBe wrote:
@aksd
I asked BengalBoy about his RAM after boot and he says 33.37MB remaining after boot. Which, at first, seemed a little discouraging until he noted that he was still using a 128MB X1 Wow, does he really have a 128MB unit with panels running that smoothly? So much for the theory about the additional RAM (256MB total) being added to get the panels working properly (or whatever that theory was ). Whose theory was that, anyways?
BB also stated that he will be getting a commercial unit in a week or so. He'll have more info on the apps coming in a few days.

@Dogmann
I hope you still have the box to your e90 so you can sell it on eBay. You should still be able to fetch a nice amount for it before the X1 hits the market.


You know why they've increased the RAM , that because the panels are just not panels, the Bengal Boy has the first build which did not inergrate the apps into the panels, more like show pieces with most of the apps bieng non functional. After intergration and loading up of all the panel apps in the final version I'm sure will take a whole lot more RAM upto 2 times more in fact than the stand alone panels. The panels are going to replicate the Touch DIamonds today screen plugin, except its not a plugin but an app. But it will do the same thing. And I doubt you'd have more than 80MB free RAM in the commercial product either, so lets not get ahead of ourselves now shall we . What users fail to understand is that the RAM is not being increased for the user in the new gen phones but for the new plugins etc.. 50-80MB RAM on boot is more than enough for heavy usage. More the better though, you actually might see a decrease in RAM with WM7 as all these gimmicky apps such as the panels and the Diamonds plugin wont be necessary.

The panels are not all that dependant on RAM either to run faster, either it has enough to run or it does'nt, any excess does not affect panel performance but will effect other application performance. Its the graphics and CPU that will effect panel performance. Optimization is a must.

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[ This Message was edited by: aksd on 2008-06-20 18:55 ]

Posted by Dogmann
@WhyBe

If you really think I'm going to sell my E90 for an X1 you are even more deluded than i thought.

OK genius if the panels run so well on 128mb Ram and it has 33.3mb of Ram on boot up something doesn't add up does it? So why would SE delay it and add the extra Ram for the FUN? of it or to ruin there chance of a successful launch?

Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-06-20 18:57 ]

Posted by WhyBe

On 2008-06-20 19:54:49, Dogmann wrote:
@WhyBe

If you really think I'm going to sell my E90 for an X1 you are even more deluded than i thought.

OK genius if the panels run so well on 128mb Ram and it has 33.3mb of Ram on boot up something doesn't add up does it? So why would SE delay it and add the extra Ram for the FUN? of it or to ruin there chance of a successful launch?


Good questions. I don't know the answers--perhaps BengalBoy does.

However, I don't recall ever delaying the X1? That obviously was a figment of somebody's imagination . first said 2nd half of 2008, then they said 4Q of 2008, and now it appears to be mid-October for France. Where's the delay? It's on schedule.

I figured you would give in to the X1 sooner or later. Seeing as how the e90 will soon be 2nd rate. You're putting up a good fight though

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-06-20 19:21 ]

Posted by Humble
I think Dogmann makes a very valid point, The initial specs of 128 meg was increased for some reason I am not sure of the exact details,
When is the European release day. I am unsure whether the news of the delay has any fruition, is it relating to a first geographic region release or otherwise?
The Touch diamond memory is partioned into 128MB+64MB blocks. Is the latter half utilised for the GPU section of the CPU analogous to what some motherboards do when allocating memory to the on board graphical subsystem
would the X1 incorporate this technique?
I have many questions, the reduction algorithm for H264 codec is very efficient, the best apparently but the H265 codec is being devised at the moment, so have they found a even better reduction algoritm with a better prediction table?


Posted by WhyBe
I don't see why BengalBoy would be lying about the 128MB. He has the unit in his possesion. I think all of these rumours and theories about delays and panel bugs were garbage in the first place

Encoding any type of video is CPU intensive, especially h.264. It is known to have a high CPU demand. Any compression format requires more CPU to encode than decode.

Posted by aksd
Who said BengalBoy was lying? What we are saying is that the unit BengalBoy has is not the final one, the final WILL consume more RAM as persons such as yourself want some gimmicky apps with a little non sensical eyecandy thrown in . Of course the panels are garbage so is the touch plugin. Its like putting a modyfying your corolla to look like a merc, under the hood its still a corolla. But if it makes you feel good that your car looks like a corolla then thats upto you, but dont ever think that just because it looks like one it is one

THe RAM was increased to make sure these gimmicky apps run well at boot up, simple. They did'nt icnrease the RAM so we cna have 150MB RAM at bootup thats just nonsensical. If they did'nt need 256MB RAM they would'nt have put it in, simple. If they could have made do with 192 MB they would have done so. just because the Touch Pro has 288MB RAM does'nt mean it will have more free RAM at boot.

I hope this is clear to you.

@Humble

The 64MB for graphics was a mistake earlier on, I think its just 192MB RAM no seperate 64MB, the graphics on the DIamond are nothing to shout about either , I dont suppose it would need 64MB RAM to do what its doing. I think the oringial test phones had 128 similar to the X1

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[ This Message was edited by: aksd on 2008-06-20 19:47 ]

Posted by Dogmann
@WhyBe

What you really think that BengleBoy is the only with with a unit that is reporting on it's performance and the new Rom updates please be serious that's just ridiculous and totally unbelievable even coming from you.

Please tell me one thing that the X1 offers that is better than my year old E90 has got? go on then just one and not the touchscreen as i don't won't one or need one.

As i can guarantee you the X1 just does not appeal to me at all as i am not a touchscreen fan and the keyboard is not good enough for my needs either. I also am not a fan of WM or for that matter trust SE to deliver a product as promised. In fact after my P910 i can't remember one device SE has delivered that worked as it should or had the spec i expect in this day and age. Now if your requirements are lower and met fair enough but not mine are not.

So unlike you and the other SE fans i will be giving the X1 a very wide berth and wouldn't take one even if it was free on upgrade. But yet again lets wait another 4-5 months and see what it delivers before you get to excited shall we. As i have a feeling it isn't going to be anywhere near as brilliant or class leading as you seem to think it will be.

Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-06-20 19:59 ]

Posted by WhyBe

On 2008-06-20 20:57:10, Dogmann wrote:
@WhyBe

What you really think that BengleBoy is the only with with a unit that is reporting on it's performance and the new Rom updates please be serious that's just ridiculous and totally unbelievable even coming from you.

Please tell me one thing that the X1 offers that is better than my year old E90 has got? go on then just one and not the touchscreen as i don't won't one or need one.

As i can guarantee you the X1 just does not appeal to me at all as i am not a touchscreen fan and the keyboard is not good enough for my needs either. I also am not a fan of WM or for that matter trust SE to deliver a product as promised. In fact after my P910 i can't remember one device SE has delivered that worked as it should or had the spec i expect in this day and age. Now if your requirements are lower and met fair enough but not mine are not.

So unlike you and the other SE fans i will be giving the X1 a very wide berth and wouldn't take one even if it was free on upgrade. But yet again lets wait another 4-5 months and see what it delivers before you get to excited shall we. As i have a feeling it isn't going to be anywhere near as brilliant or class leading as you seem to think it will be.

@Dogmann
I feel your pain. You are struggling with your love of the X1. We all love it. You certainly hang around here alot...why don't you just give in and admit your lust for it as we all have. It will be less painful to give up your e90 now while it is still held in high regards. Because, come October, when the SE_X1 is released, you will see the e90 for the pocket tanning bed that it is--and the breakup will be all the more painful.

We're all routing for you Dogmann in your time of trial. Come out of the X1 closet. We'll still luv ya'

Posted by Dogmann
@WhyBe

Instead of trying to be a smart alex or funny both at which you are failing miserably.

Go on please try and tell me what the X1 is better at than my E90 that i am using currently? Go on please anything sensible or is there really nothing after all.

Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-06-20 20:26 ]

Posted by Dups!
@Dogmann

He can't and he won't because aside from the touchscreen there isn't one thing that the X1 is better at when compared to the E90. I've said this before and will say it again, aince late 2006 SE has and still is playing catch up to Nokia.

This truly is sad for a company that was once so far ahead of any other cellphone manufacturer out there.

Posted by WhyBe

On 2008-06-20 21:26:03, Dogmann wrote:
@WhyBe

Instead of trying to be a smart alex or funny both at which you are failing miserably.

Go on please try and tell me what the X1 is better at than my E90 that i am using currently? Go on please anything sensible or is there really nothing after all.



...and it's not even finished yet!

Posted by Tigon
@dogmann

check out this vid, you will see something at 0:41 into the video that should be
enough to make you think twice.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1o0BhMXyiEE

Posted by WhyBe
I don't know what language that he was speaking (Italian?), but, I caught "inferiori" then it was stage right for the e90


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