Posted by aksd
The X1i has the best video playback, not the best in the market though, but the best WM phone multimedia wise. But the Video out on the Diamond Pro gives it a + if you use the feature.
I find it rather strange that the Diamond Pro and and Diamond use the inferior of the two processors, but maybe they've done it to save on costs.
Posted by BIG-Stan
Well, I just listened to the new podcast from mobiel-review, from Eldar and it sure doesnt sound too good for SE at the moment.
There is no way that X1 will be released this summer. He said probably late november the earliest or december....
Current panels are ridden with bugs. He updated his handset and said that it is a little bit more usable now.
Raphael on the other side is almost ready and will ship in the end of this summer. At least 3 months in advance to X1.
I dont know what to think about SE these days. It seems that they cant get nothing right. If X1 would be delayed until next year then they should consider to drop the device IMO. I dont know who would wait for the phone when you can get other comparable (probably even better by that time) devices 100-200$ cheaper?
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
On 2008-06-04 14:53:18, aksd wrote:
The X1i has the best video playback, not the best in the market though, but the best WM phone multimedia wise. But the Video out on the Diamond Pro gives it a + if you use the feature.
I find it rather strange that the Diamond Pro and and Diamond use the inferior of the two processors, but maybe they've done it to save on costs.
Are the processors that different? Like noticeably to the average user? If you had an X1i and an X1a, would it be obvious?
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-04 15:03:14, BIG-Stan wrote:
Well, I just listened to the new podcast from mobiel-review, from Eldar and it sure doesnt sound too good for SE at the moment.
There is no way that X1 will be released this summer. He said probably late november the earliest or december....
Current panels are ridden with bugs. He updated his handset and said that it is a little bit more usable now.
Raphael on the other side is almost ready and will ship in the end of this summer. At least 3 months in advance to X1.
I dont know what to think about SE these days. It seems that they cant get nothing right. If X1 would be delayed until next year then they should consider to drop the device IMO. I dont know who would wait for the phone when you can get other comparable (probably even better by that time) devices 100-200$ cheaper?
Why are there never any links to all of the Eldar BS???
Posted by Humble
i remarked on this earlier concerning the delay of the X1, mark my words
I love the X1 to bits but when it is inevitably released it be a midranged fone, Atleast they tried you cant blamed them for that, its more to do with the qualcomm msm7201 cpu optimisations, more than anything, they may release yes, (quite late) but I can guarantee you, in two months or earlier
The hungry wolves ( Snapdragons, U500, APX2500, Omap 3) will be grinning mischieviously, I keep coming to issue that the graphic part of this CPU is a pain to program and debug, or even an errata in the core,
who is Programming the X1 btw HTC or S.E. they should have all the documentation datasheets for the cpu, is there a Optimiser problem when it is compiled from source? who knows, a failure to understand the mechanism required for smooth quick graphical transitions, OpenGL ES 1.1
is this supported in windows 6, (I dont think it is ) but D3D
quick solution for S.E is Install Android and render it with OPENGL
Posted by BIG-Stan
@whybe
Dude, you just need to hit up the russian section of the site and its a podcast. In case you want to listen to it in russian
http://www.mobile-review.com/podcasts/2008/may/82/mr082-1.mp3
And why is that bs?because you dont like the news? Thats just childish...
Posted by aksd
Are the processors that different? Like noticeably to the average user? If you had an X1i and an X1a, would it be obvious?
Can you tell the difference between video recording at QVGA and 24fps and VGA at 30 fps
also the X1a does'nt support H.264 while the X1i supports H.264 VGA at 15fps. Its all upto you if you require these multimedia capabilities or not.
Posted by remirez
Guys,
can you clear something up for me?
I see the X1 as listed with aGPS on every website but when reading the latest white paper, there's no mention of the GPS function (cf. x1_wp_r3a.pdf).
What gives???
Posted by Yakkaimono
Dude what did you look up to. Just look at page 4 of the 3rd version of the white paper or type in the search box of you adobe reader "gps" and it should direct you to it.
Posted by Dogmann
@WhyBe
How come Eldar who is very well known and respected for his views and who gets proto's and information from manufacturers and actually has an X1 can be talking BS.
Compared to people like you that just have wishful thinking and no real information or facts, how does that work then?
@Muhammad Oli
To be honest H.264 @15fps is hardly worth it as you can't really find much use for it. But H.264 offers better quality over H.263 or 3gp. So if you intend watching just short clips it won't make much difference but a TV show or Film the quality won't be great or as good as if it was in H.264 @25fps.
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Posted by aksd
@Marc
But the difference between QVGA @ 24fps and VGA @ 30fps is a big deal dont you think
, although I never use the video cam, its nice to know the feature is present if ever you need it when you're paying such a high price for the product.
Posted by Dogmann
@askd
Of course it is and a large difference at that but like you I'm not really into taking Video's or pictures much but if your paying top $ you should expect the best. Although i do tend to watch a lot of stuff on my device and that's where up to 30fps VGA H.264 comes in.
But the X1 doesn't appeal to me for other reasons as I'm not a great touch screen fan and sorry but the keyboard looks rubbish IMO not enough keys and not enough travel. I am also not that great a fan of the HTC version either for similar reasons but then that's just what i want and need from a device and doesn't make them bad or wrong for anyone else.
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Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-04 16:15:32, BIG-Stan wrote:
@whybe
Dude, you just need to hit up the russian section of the site and its a podcast. In case you want to listen to it in russian
http://www.mobile-review.com/podcasts/2008/may/82/mr082-1.mp3
And why is that bs?because you dont like the news? Thats just childish...
I call it BS because this is some very "salacious" information pertaining to a highly anticipated device (highly anticipated by all). Such info, if true, would be widely known, reported or repeated. There is also too much information to the contrary. I'm just using logic here.
The X1 release date has always been 2nd half of 2008 and, so far, it hasn't been changed from that. The USA Diamond Pro doesn't seem to be released any sooner (and they even added 96MB of RAM to it. Should it be concluded that HTC is having problems?) Fourth quarter release dates are most likely aligned with the USA Christmas season. Everything "new and exciting" tends to be released around this time from new devices to movies to top musical artists to children's toys. X1 is primarily a device intended for the US by
and so is the North American version of the Touch Pro, therefore their respective release dates.
Of course this is all my opinion, which I'm sure will bear out to be fact.
I just tend not to believe isolated rumours as they are most likely rooted in bias.
Posted by aksd
@WhyBe,
Firstly, I think saying that Eldar speak is bull shit is pushing it a wee bit too far. Through the years, he's provided concrete info on most of his comments, although sometimes he might be a bit off, which happens, might or might not be his fault. If he did say the X1 is'nt all that hot, I'd believe him as you also need to consider the time of its release, if the Diamond Pro or the X1 were to release late 2008 in the US I'd advise you to scrap them both and get updated hardware with WM7 which should be out Q1-Q2 2009, and thats worth the wait, but thats just my opinion.
I disagree with you also on the point where you say that its hotly anticipated by all, thats quite off the mark actually,most TyTn II owners or PPC owners with similar devices are planning on skipping this gen devices. What is really anticipated are devices based on the Qualcomm SNapdragon, Nvidia 2500 and WM7 coming CES 2009. I understand for someone using a P910 this must be a godsend
, but when you've been using similar specs for the last year it feels a bit dated. Like I mentioned earlier its an evolution model not a revolutionary model(again I understand from where you're coming P910 to X1 is revolutionary ), but just because you are coming from dated hardware does'nt make the X1, Diamond or the pro anything to really shout about, they're good phones but not "amazing".
Posted by Jabe
On 2008-06-04 19:05:10, WhyBe wrote:
The USA Diamond Pro doesn't seem to be released any sooner (and they even added 96MB of RAM to it. Should it be concluded that HTC is having problems?)
They didn't add any RAM. it's 288mb from the beginning for rafael and they didn't change it in diamond. i think the only reason for 288mb is because xperia has 256mb and it has to have more because people are specs freaks. they also use bigger battery in rafael and obviously not because diamond's is to weak - nobody knows yet, but because xperia uses a large one as well. these are the two things which were in favour xperia and were debated over and over again on different forums, so HTC made a device that eliminated those shortcommings. now you can buy either and not make a mistake.
Posted by WhyBe
@aksd
On 2008-06-04 19:43:49, aksd wrote:
@WhyBe,
...Through the years, he's provided concrete info on most of his comments, although sometimes he might be a bit off, which happens, might or might not be his fault....
@WhyBe,
...Through the years, he's provided concrete info on most of his comments, although sometimes he might be a bit off, which happens, might or might not be his fault....
So you agree with me that his info is questionable?
I disagree with you also on the point where you say that its hotly anticipated by all, thats quite off the mark actually,most TyTn II owners or PPC owners with similar devices are planning on skipping this gen devices. What is really anticipated are devices based on the Qualcomm SNapdragon, Nvidia 2500 and WM7 coming CES 2009.
You keep giving me "techie responses" instead of something that reflects general consumers
I talked to the saleman at the local SonyStyle store and he said the X1 is easily the most anticipated and asked about device at that store. This is a general consumer store (in a mall) and not a "geek" store. Techies view all of this stuff differently than general consumers.
I understand for someone using a P910 this must be a godsend , but when you've been using similar specs for the last year it feels a bit dated. Like I mentioned earlier its an evolution model not a revolutionary model(again I understand from where you're coming P910 to X1 is revolutionary ), but just because you are coming from dated hardware does'nt make the X1, Diamond or the pro anything to really shout about, they're good phones but not "amazing".
, but when you've been using similar specs for the last year it feels a bit dated. Like I mentioned earlier its an evolution model not a revolutionary model(again I understand from where you're coming P910 to X1 is revolutionary ), but just because you are coming from dated hardware does'nt make the X1, Diamond or the pro anything to really shout about, they're good phones but not "amazing".Ha ha
. I'm fully aware of the tech cycle. Every device is an evolutionary model. The cell phone was revolutionary. The X1 will be shortly superceded by another more capable device--that's common sense. This is where great software and design come into play. A device with great specs does not always translate into "the better device" in the consumer eyes (the tech-heads, yes).
I think
learned their lesson from the p990 and p1i. To me, the p910 was a better designed phone, albeit less powerful spec-wise than the newer p-series. I decided to skip those two and I definitely didn't like what I saw in WM phones even though they were all more powerful and newer than the p910. The p910 design kept me.
It seems, according to you, there will never be a great phone because you are always looking at what is coming out six months from now
. How effectively do you use any of your given phones before you start anticipating the next model?
Posted by aksd
@WhyBe
Well SE has recieved the hardware with fully functioning basic software, so personally I dont think there are any core problems with the X1, although writing all the other apps will be a pain in the arse, I dont think that these apps should pull down the phone performance to the extent that it is unusable. Might become a bit slow with the panels running, but its not a critical problem, like on the P990 if you get what I mean. But I'm sure they're having problems developing for WM as it will all be core development and they have limited resources, the reason for the existence of the X1 is their limited resources imo. But if SE do mess up this product, the I guess there no hope for them as the major work was already done by HTC, they just had to add the icing.
We'll I'm inregular touch with SE marketing guys and the service center chaps, and some of the marketing fellows have actually used it, and they were not too impressed.
Regarding me looking out at whats coming out in the next six months, thats basically not true. Look at it from my point of view, I've got this 900USD phone, being a student its something unbelievable, the next gen phones come out, it uses the same processor which is slightly higher clocked, its got the same cam, the same GPS, similar size, same platform, just a bit of a change where eyecandy is concerened, slightly improved 3D performance, and a bit more RAM. Now would you pay another 900USD for this phone in say a year or less? Or would you rather keep that 900USD and buy somehting that is more advanced in a matter of 6-8months, and which is totally next generation. If I had money to throw I most likely would have both the Pro as well as the X1, since I dont I know my current hardware is not worth the upgrade, since there is absolutely nothing worth paying another 900USD for and upgrading to in this generation of phones. But if the X1 or the Pro had the Snapdragon I would have ditched the TyTn II before you could blink, for it
. I hope you get my point.
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Posted by Dogmann
@WhyBe
You know you really are funny you asked a man at the Sony Style shop who will sell the X1 just what did you expect him yo say? It's having problems and competitors products will be as good or better. That's like going into a Ford garage and asking how great will this new Ford be.
As far as techie consumers the only ones really interested in the X1 are SE fans and there really aren't enough to make it a hit. If HTC's product is available with subsidy from Networks just who do you think will buy the X1 sim free seems a question you don't have an answer or opinion on.
Re Eldar maybe it escaped your notice but he has an X1 and has just got new firmware for it so as far as who's information can be relied on his experience against what you think really there's no contest is there.
Marc
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Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-04 20:47:40, aksd wrote:
@WhyBe
...Look at it from my point of view, I've got this 900USD phone, being a student its something unbelievable, the next gen phones come out, it uses the same processor which is slightly higher clocked, its got the same cam, the same GPS, similar size, same platform, just a bit of a change where eyecandy is concerened, slightly improved 3D performance, and a bit more RAM. Now would you pay another 900USD for this phone in say a year or less? Or would you rather keep that 900USD and buy somehting that is more advanced in a matter of 6-8months, and which is totally next generation...
..... hope you get my point.
Your buying philosophy is similar to mine then
. I think, I just have more will power to wait
How much better is "next-generation" going to be? It will be faster with better graphics, of course, but you'll still be taking the same pictures, listening to the same MP3's, running the same type of applications and making the same phone calls
. IOW nothing revolutionary is going to happen when the Snapdragon gets here unless some new killer feature or application is introduced with it.
Posted by xenia
I really dont think, that Eldar has full info about X1. He was deniformed by SE`s insider first time. And now i think he simply doesn`t has full view. Even with proto in his hand...
His opinion has to many "white places"
My English really sucks)))
Posted by aksd
THats where you're wrong, the next generation is going to be much much faster. Better DSP's for better sound, the MSM7200 processor has some really good sound performce this can be checked from Eldars
reviews on Mobile Review. Better than any previous WM phone. If you use the Tilt cam you'll know its unusable in low light, so I expect the next gen phone to have a decent flash.
Regarding the "Killer" application, with Snapdragon you can have OpenGL 2.0 support your UI can become beautiful
, WM7 should launch with snapdragon. Snapdragon will have enough power to run close to desktop performance. A smartphone is all baout being an extension to your PC and snapdragons going to get you 1 step closer to the goal of a portable computer. And its not just snap dragon its also the Nvidia processor and the OMPA3 which Dogmann mentioned boots S60 in a few seconds, faster is always better. Now thats revolutionary, it'll revolutionise performance. Search for Nvidia APX2500 videos as well, check out the UI its capable of, the iPhone UI looks like something ancient when compared to it. I'm not saying we will get those UI/s but its what might be available. Also multimedia features are far better with 720p output, and better battery performance.
For a few details on Snapdragon goto www.qctconnect.com
Now I'm waaay OT
Posted by Dogmann
@askd
I have to say the latest released video's of Android in action also look really good as the OS is both fast and has lot's of user friendly options it looks as good if not better than the iPhones OS.
But yes the next generation of chips from all the different manufactures together with 7.2mbps HSDPA will indeed lead to a superior user experience. Hopefully this will be first half of next year and i also am waiting for next gen device before i upgrade as have decided the BB Bold doesn't offer enough for me to make the expense of a worthwhile.
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Posted by WhyBe
@Dogmann
On 2008-06-04 20:51:04, Dogmann wrote:
@WhyBe
You know you really are funny you asked a man at the Sony Style shop who will sell the X1 just what did you expect him yo say? It's having problems and competitors products will be as good or better. That's like going into a Ford garage and asking how great will this new Ford be.
He said, "Can I help you". I simply asked him about the availability date of the X1. "Not sure", he then made some statements over how often the X1 is asked about (more so than any other device in that store). He wasn't selling me anything.
As far as techie consumers the only ones really interested in the X1 are SE fans and there really aren't enough to make it a hit. If HTC's product is available with subsidy from Networks just who do you think will buy the X1 sim free seems a question you don't have an answer or opinion on.
Judging by this thread alone, it seems plenty of people will buy the X1. Everyone, I've shown this phone to drools over it. (Hell, I even still get a few slobbers over my old p910
It's all in the design.) Whether someone buys it SIM free or not I don't see the relevance. I, personally, will buy the SIM-free if the X1a is crippled. Based on it's design, price tag and brand name, I predict X1 will be a U.S. hit (it's a status thing here). Worldwide, I don't know and definitely not iPhone level sales (too expensive).
Re Eldar maybe it escaped your notice but he has an X1 and has just got new firmware for it so as far as who's information can be relied on his experience against what you think really there's no contest is there.
Are BengalBoy's reviews not valid?
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Posted by iwantfatty
@Whybe, you say it won’t be iphone level of demand/popular etc. but even the iphone has fallen well short of its predicted sales figures. How many iphones do you actually see around?
These do everything phones still seem generally lacklustre in the battery life department due to all the whizz-bang features, which is probably a lot of people’s no. 2 priority and would put a lot off, no. 1 being price of course.
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-04 21:34:13, iwantfatty wrote:
@Whybe, you say it won’t be iphone level of demand/popular etc. but even the iphone has fallen well short of its predicted sales figures. How many iphones do you actually see around?
At my church, a sound tech guy, both the copastors, the guy working in the office. Also, my buddy the at&t saleman (who carries 4 phones around all the time)....that's five right there. I think the only reason iPhone didn't sell more is because of the availability.
Oh yeah, my musician buddy living in Arkansas...that's six.
Posted by NightBlade
On 2008-06-04 20:51:04, Dogmann wrote:
As far as techie consumers the only ones really interested in the X1 are SE fans
Totally NOT true.
Posted by iwantfatty
haha fair enough, didnt know you lived in iphone town. But the demand has only just started now that there pulling them from stores due to 3G... I feel were going a bit off topic though
Posted by Dogmann
@WhyBe
The interest in this thread on a pro SE forum is not even in the hundreds so is hardly going to make a big impact on sales. As for all those that you have shown pictures of the device have you told them it will be $1,100 plus?
If you really think the majority are like you that will wait before upgrading and then take a non subsidized device you are just wrong. Prestige or not most people are far more careful with their hard earned $$$'s and as HTC has both Network support and better market presence in the US it would be quite remarkable for the X1 to sell more than HTC's offering.
As i have said before once it is released we will see just how well the X1 does but until then it's pointless just speculation isn't it.
@Nightblade
Yet another truly stunning and insightful post and just what do you base that on? as most WM users are used to HTC or the branded versions not SE with it's first WM product. No where near as many people love SE or think they are brilliant as you seem to think as otherwise SE wouldn't of slipped to 5th now would they?
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Posted by iwantfatty
I 100% agree with Dogmann. There is no way the phone could be worth that amount of money to more than a select few obsessive SE fans. The panel interface cannot really be that great, I have not been very convinced by what I have seen so far. It can’t be more than a show-off piece, or am I missing the point
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-04 21:52:22, Dogmann wrote:
@WhyBe
As for all those that you have shown pictures of the device have you told them it will be $1,100 plus?
Yes
If you really think the majority are like you that will wait before upgrading and then take a non subsidized device you are just wrong. Prestige or not most people are far more careful with their hard earned $$$'s and as HTC has both Network support and better market presence in the US it would be quite remarkable for the X1 to sell more than HTC's offering.
SE has network support too. The are sold by AT&T. I don't know if they'll sell the X1 though.
As i have said before once it is released we will see just how well the X1 does but until then it's pointless just speculation isn't it.
This whole thread is, isn't it.
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-04 22:02:18, iwantfatty wrote:
I 100% agree with Dogmann. There is no way the phone could be worth that amount of money to more than a select few obsessive SE fans. The panel interface cannot really be that great, I have not been very convinced by what I have seen so far. It can’t be more than a show-off piece, or am I missing the point
You answered your own question
You should study the specs and preview vids a bit more. Check out the BengalBoy review, it's really informative.
Posted by Dogmann
@WhyBe
AT&T sell the Tilt which is their own branded version of the HTC TyTN2 do you really think they will wait longer for the X1?. Rather then sell their own branded version earlier and make more money from it? really you think that is going to happen with not just AT&T but all the other Networks as well as i seriously doubt that is what will happen.
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Posted by iwantfatty
Well a $1100 dollars for something to show friends a couple of times, if anything the iphone interface is still way ahead or what’s coming from the X1
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-04 22:11:16, iwantfatty wrote:
Well a $1100 dollars for something to show friends a couple of times, if anything the iphone interface is still way ahead or what’s coming from the X1
Well, we don't know for sure do we?
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-04 22:06:56, Dogmann wrote:
@WhyBe
AT&T sell the Tilt which is their own branded version of the HTC TyTN2 do you really think they will wait longer for the X1?. Rather then sell their own branded version earlier and make more money from it? really you think that is going to happen with not just AT&T but all the other Networks as well as i seriously doubt that is what will happen.
As far as I know only AT&T and T-Mobile are the only major GSM in US. As I said in my previous post, I don't know if AT&T will sell X1 directly. They have the iPhone and Tilt so it isn't out of the question. Besides, there's an AT&T panel
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Posted by iwantfatty
Ok fair enough we don’t really have a good impression of the full capabilities of the interface or indeed the hardware, but is this super phone market really the right direction for SE?
As they are slipping behind with the market share what they need to do is carry on with what they were best at – high quality candybar handsets.
I think SE are a bit late to the game for these do everything touch screen phones, especially at the rate LG seems to be knocking them out
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-04 22:31:13, iwantfatty wrote:
...but is this super phone market really the right direction for SE?
I think it is a good way to increase brand visibility.
As they are slipping behind with the market share what they need to do is carry on with what they were best at – high quality candybar handsets.
I think SE are a bit late to the game for these do everything touch screen phones...
I think SE are a bit late to the game for these do everything touch screen phones...
Don't forget they started this whole super-smartphone thing with the P-series
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Posted by iwantfatty
Ok I see where you’re coming from, but if the X1 getting the SE brand out there, what’s it saying about SE? “I might look nice, but there’s not a chance in hell you can afford me”
because I think that’s something we all attribute to SE, we like and in some cases love their products but they charge over the odds for them, which will really come home to roost with something that’s pricey to start with e.g X1
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-04 22:51:39, iwantfatty wrote:
Ok I see where you’re coming from, but if the X1 getting the SE brand out there, what’s it saying about SE? “I might look nice, but there’s not a chance in hell you can afford me”
because I think that’s something we all attribute to SE, we like and in some cases love their products but they charge over the odds for them, which will really come home to roost with something that’s pricey to start with e.g X1
It works for Mercedes
Posted by VinnyP!
On 2008-06-04 18:20:30, Dogmann wrote:
@askd
Although i do tend to watch a lot of stuff on my device and that's where up to 30fps VGA H.264 comes in.
The overhead on decoding is not as high as encoding. All the white paper says is that it is limited to RECORDING at 15fps VGA playback is H264 (X1i) it doesn't mention what limitations. Plenty of handsets can play back video at much higher specs than they can record at.
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Posted by NightBlade
On 2008-06-04 21:52:22, Dogmann wrote:
@Nightblade
Yet another truly stunning and insightful post and just what do you base that on? as most WM users are used to HTC or the branded versions not SE with it's first WM product. No where near as many people love SE or think they are brilliant as you seem to think as otherwise SE wouldn't of slipped to 5th now would they?
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My statement is based on both comments from many internet tech blogs to personal opinions of some of my friends. Speaking of which, even my brother's going to buy it and he's not such a SE fanatic. He likes it... very much.
Posted by VinnyP!
On 2008-06-04 21:52:22, Dogmann wrote:
The interest in this thread on a pro SE forum is not even in the hundreds so is hardly going to make a big impact on sales. >
Sales are going to be biggest from people who go into a store and look at the dummy phone and go wow I want one of those and from those that sites and magazines review favourably.
I have no idea whether that will be the case for the X1 or if it will be a good phone. I do think Iphone (apple know how to market) aside it's only a vsmall minority like us who wait for the next best phone to upgrade to; lack of interest in the run up will not be very indicative of final market share.
Posted by Humble
Aksd your assumptions as far as I can tell by your posts are very clearly thought out, Dogmann and Whybe also raise some very interesting points
sorry bout that, Im stil going to get the X1, but if the snapdragon u500 omap3 apx2500 come out around the same time, then thats where the dilemma begins, By next generation all of these devices will be able to encode decode in 720P HD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! do you understand NEXT GENERATION lol integrated HDMI port OPENGL ES 2.1 revised!!!!
I see a time when laptop would be redundant you just hook up your monitor to hdmi_dvi convertor wireless key board and mouse,
and the beginning of the new era of open platform (android like OS) I can go on for days, but an important development in low k soc techniques
energy efficiency (rohs) could themultiple ARM architecture superceed the power hungry x86s lol maybe a long way off but technology is increasing at a logarithmic rate, its not long that HD tv came out now they can pack all that gate logics in the size of your small finger nail ULTRA LOW POWER
is it me or is this revolutionary, aksd was indeed correct about the X1 being evolutionary, its a lovely looking device but if you compare NEXTGEN to X1
then.......
Posted by aksd
On 2008-06-04 22:13:18, WhyBe wrote:
On 2008-06-04 22:11:16, iwantfatty wrote:
Well a $1100 dollars for something to show friends a couple of times, if anything the iphone interface is still way ahead or what’s coming from the X1
Well, we don't know for sure do we?
Ooh yes we do
, the iPhone UI is based on OpenGL, not the X1, WM des'nt support OpenGL in the UI implementation. THe iphone touch friendly features are for all apps not just those by the manufacturer like the X1.
I really dont think you should go into this again, like I said I know people who've used it and theres not much thats finger friendly or stunning about the UI, yes the panels are great but beyond that there are no effects in the interface. I said it several times before and I'll say it again, basic apps like messaging, settings etc.. are all still WM. So thinking that you're going to get a phone with a mind blowing UI that bests the iPhone is keeping your head waay up in the clouds.
@Humble
Its your call on which phone you'd go for
, if you like the X1 buy it, but all I'm saying if the X1 comes late 2008 then its good to wait 1-3months more ad buy something thats way more powerful than the X1 at the same cost, dont you think
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-05 04:57:12, aksd wrote:
On 2008-06-04 22:13:18, WhyBe wrote:
On 2008-06-04 22:11:16, iwantfatty wrote:
Well a $1100 dollars for something to show friends a couple of times, if anything the iphone interface is still way ahead or what’s coming from the X1
Well, we don't know for sure do we?
Ooh yes we do
, the iPhone UI is based on OpenGL, not the X1, WM des'nt support OpenGL in the UI implementation. THe iphone touch friendly features are for all apps not just those by the manufacturer like the X1.You mean, you have a production version of the X1? Tell us what it's like pleeease. I don't see why any "new" WM app these days would not be finger friendly--especially those for the X1 or new HTC's.
I really dont think you should go into this again, like I said I know people who've used it and theres not much thats finger friendly or stunning about the UI, yes the panels are great but beyond that there are no effects in the interface. I said it several times before and I'll say it again, basic apps like messaging, settings etc.. are all still WM. So thinking that you're going to get a phone with a mind blowing UI that bests the iPhone is keeping your head waay up in the clouds.
I don't know how great the X1 UI will be, but I suspect it won't be the WM same-ol' same-ol'. I'm talking about the main suite of apps. Who cares how the settings screen looks?
@Humble
Its your call on which phone you'd go for, if you like the X1 buy it, but all I'm saying if the X1 comes late 2008 then its good to wait 1-3months more ad buy something thats way more powerful than the X1 at the same cost, dont you think
Its your call on which phone you'd go for
, if you like the X1 buy it, but all I'm saying if the X1 comes late 2008 then its good to wait 1-3months more ad buy something thats way more powerful than the X1 at the same cost, dont you think Or you could wait 6 months after that and get something even better. For that matter, you could wait an additional 6 months to get something that'll really blow your socks off. And 6 months after that???.....OMG!!!
[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-06-05 04:36 ]
Posted by aksd
Areyou blind? Where did I mention I had a phone? Open GL is NOT supported by the WM UI. Is that hard to understand?
You mentioned it'll be better than the iPhone, so I said it wont as the UI wont cover [b]all[/apps], you might not need the settings(very stange imo), but 99% of all other WM users do change their settings
. We WM users also tend to use our mesaging devices for mails and messaging, and those apps remain the same.
You're being daft, I've mentoned several times over that the SE UI is only skin deep, no matter how hard they try they cannot change the core. There are quite a few of us who use external apps on a smartphone, and we cant afford to spend 1000+ dollars on a phone just to show off to our friends. I think quite a few of the potential X1 users come into this category. WIhtout any understanding on what is possible and what not on a WM platfrom you make very strong statements. The stuffy you're dreaming off is'nt possible on WM6.1. You should first read about WM and its limitations.
Regarding the waiting bit
, do you have short term memory loss? Did'nt you read the post where I mentioned why I'd rather wait, or do you basically remember what you'd like to remember? Its my opinion, if the X1 was available tomorrow I'd say buy it, but its not, and this Nov MwG I doubt you've even heard the name as you know nothing about WM, are releasing the fist WM7 phone.
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-05 05:46:47, aksd wrote:
Areyou blind? Where did I mention I had a phone? Open GL is NOT supported by the WM UI. Is that hard to understand?
You mentioned it'll be better than the iPhone, so I said it wont as the UI wont cover [b]all[/apps], you might not need the settings(very stange imo), but 99% of all other WM users do change their settings
. We WM users also tend to use our mesaging devices for mails and messaging, and those apps remain the same.
You're being daft, I've mentoned several times over that the SE UI is only skin deep, no matter how hard they try they cannot change the core. There are quite a few of us who use external apps on a smartphone, and we cant afford to spend 1000+ dollars on a phone just to show off to our friends. I think quite a few of the potential X1 users come into this category. WIhtout any understanding on what is possible and what not on a WM platfrom you make very strong statements. The stuffy you're dreaming off is'nt possible on WM6.1. You should first read about WM and its limitations.
Regarding the waiting bit
, do you have short term memory loss? Did'nt you read the post where I mentioned why I'd rather wait, or do you basically remember what you'd like to remember? Its my opinion, if the X1 was available tomorrow I'd say buy it, but its not, and this Nov MwG I doubt you've even heard the name as you know nothing about WM, are releasing the fist WM7 phone.OK, calm down
I never said anything was going to be better than iPhone. I have no way of knowing that yet. I do feel
can have a UI as well designed as iPhone's. What do you think Xperia UI and TouchFlo3D are trying to accomplish?...iPhone like GUIs, that's what. Of course they are not going to transform the entire WM UI into their own--just the main apps that people will use on the phone should suffice (dialer, media, camera, etc.).
I also feel that any "new" WM third party software will also be finger friendly or eye-candyish just because it is the trend now in smartphones. Of course, some developers will be better at it than others. Obviously, the old apps will always look like the old apps.
[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-06-05 05:28 ]
Posted by iwantfatty
Sure they are gonna improve upon the W6.1 interface with typical sony style. but wont it be just that, a WM device in a dress?
Posted by WhyBe
@iwantfatty
On 2008-06-05 12:09:54, iwantfatty wrote:
Sure they are gonna improve upon the W6.1 interface with typical sony style. but wont it be just that, a WM device in a dress?
Yes. You say that like it's a bad thing
I think it's a great way for manufacturers to differentiate their WM devices from one another besides having differing hardware specs.
I don't know so much about changing the WM 6.1 interface, as you say, but they definitely are putting a layer of candy on top of it
aksd is right in saying it's still going to be the ol' WM underneath it all.
Posted by Humble
Just Like to apologise on some information that I wrote earlier concerning the Video performance of the Next generation platform, I stated that the devices are capable of 720p H264 encode and decode,
the Nvidia Tegra Processor is capable of 720p encode H264, and 1080P H264 decode
http://www.jkontherun.com/2008/06/nvidia-tegra-cp.html