Posted by aksd
The Whitepaper is where it says QVGA at 24fps in the Video section. Check qctconnect.com for MSM7201 details. Also check http://www.pdadb.net
@drW
Is the X1 supposed to be a high end device or a mid level device? BTW it supports upto 6Mpx not 8, also that has no relation to video recording. Why am I getting worked up? We'll thats because I know what kind of tech cell phone companies have on hand seeing it real time and they're not giving it to use, just rebadging old products(X1/Rapahael a la TyTn II which was launched a year earlier) just new eyecandy and they want people to buy it. You can say that if you dont ike it dont buy it, but if we keep buying dated products technology just wont advance. HTC supposedly was supposed to use the Snapdragon this year, but no they stick to the crappy MSM7200 series chipset.
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Posted by WhyBe
@aksd:
What I see in the whitepaper (p. 7) says VGA 30fps record in mpeg4 and h.263. 15fps in h.264
Only the U.S. version is restricted to QVGA 24fps and no h.264
I wonder if this limitation could be overridden through software?
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Posted by aksd
No it cant
, the processors are different. This is due to tbe Broadcomm law suit
Posted by mib1800
On 2008-05-31 04:58:31, WhyBe wrote:
@aksd:
What I see in the whitepaper (p. 7) says VGA 30fps record in mpeg4 and h.263. 15fps in h.264
Only the U.S. version is restricted to QVGA 24fps and no h.264
I wonder if this limitation could be overridden through software?
[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-31 04:03 ]
I saw the "up to 30fps" in the whitepaper. I hope SE dont pull another K850 on the X1. We know in K850 the "up to 30 fps" in actual fact is most-of-time-is-15fps-but-on-ocassion-it-can-reach-30fps.
On my N82, the video rec framerate is a constant 25-30fps.
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Posted by WhyBe
@mib1800:
Check Revision 3 pg 7
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Posted by Yakkaimono
Some new official pics of the X1 (from SE web page). Thanks to Tigershark42 for bringing this up.
It really looks awesome in this pictures.
Posted by NightBlade
It does.
Posted by clauf
I don't really like the fact that they added the Xperia on top of the Nav Pad... it's just too busy already.
Steel silver looks good, although i would prefer them to have the navigation pad to be silver as well. i like the solid black better though...
Posted by C905
it looks bloody good in silver too
It is going to be a though coice though: Black or silver?
Posted by C905
this phone would be perfect, if it only had 5 MP, but anyways.... I'm getting one of these babies
Posted by XPHCTOC
For me it'll be the black one
@Dr W: 100% agreed
Posted by norti
I wanted the black one from M600i last year, but the shop had t only in white. I think I like it better now than the dark one, so I'll go for the silver X1, it looks more "metal"
Posted by Legen
there's one thing am not clear about. does the x1 have an accelerometer? not just the rotate-screen thing when the keyboard is slid out(by the way, seems the screen rotate button has been removed in the new pics)
Posted by Prutta
On 2008-05-30 11:17:57, WhyBe wrote:
@d-southwest:
With digital zoom, you're not really zooming in, you're just enlarging the recorded pixels. Digital zoom, I think, is more of a software feature. There's no corresponding hardware component that implements it. I could be wrong though.
True zooming is implemented through optical zoom.
For example:
2x optical zoom would yield a resolution of 640x480
2x digital zoom would yield a resolution of 320x240
4x optical zoom would yield a resolution of 640x480
4x digital zoom would yield a resolution of 160x120
8x optical zoom would yield a resolution of 640x480
8x digital zoom would yield a resolution of 80x60
...and so on.
(those resolutions may be different if digital zoom is calculated at the sensor)
[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-30 10:29 ]
Not true, with no digital zoom you use the whole surface of the sensor, for ex. 5 mpix, wich is resized down to VGA.
But, as long as you donŽt zoom (digitally) past the sensor-area that contains VGA resolution you wont get any lower resolution, pixelwise.
Now, if you take a picture at 5 mpix with the same phone, then youŽll loose resolution when zooming digitally.
Kind regards
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-01 13:35:05, Prutta wrote:
Not true, with no digital zoom you use the whole surface of the sensor, for ex. 5 mpix, wich is resized down to VGA.
But, as long as you donŽt zoom (digitally) past the sensor-area that contains VGA resolution you wont get any lower resolution, pixelwise.
Now, if you take a picture at 5 mpix with the same phone, then youŽll loose resolution when zooming digitally.
Kind regards
My last sentence in parenthesis explains that. I didn't want to make the answer overly complex. You would, however, get a noisier picture. Zooming past the sensor area, the above math would kick in. I think the main point is that optical zooming is superior. The size of the device being a trade-off.
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Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-01 13:32:00, Legen wrote:
there's one thing am not clear about. does the x1 have an accelerometer? not just the rotate-screen thing when the keyboard is slid out(by the way, seems the screen rotate button has been removed in the new pics)
I'm wondering this too. There is info saying yes, and there is info saying no.
Posted by Humble
Looks like sony erricson are releasing the U500 platform early 1H 2009
Looks like the X1 is getting superseded very shortly, the specs of the U500 platform seem Majestic,
Open GL E.S 2.0 X1=Open GL ES 1.1
12MP camera, Full encoded decode H264
720p/maybe even 1080p encode decode support, WImax,WIFI etc
3 dedicated ARM11 processors (ARM Mali200) 3D accelerator ultra low power
maybe the Xperia X2
Posted by aksd
link?
Posted by Humble
from the horses mouth lol
http://www.ericsson.com/erics[....]eleases/20080206-1188885.shtml
Posted by Osmano
This is almost 4 months old.......
Posted by Prutta
My last sentence in parenthesis explains that. I didn't want to make the answer overly complex. You would, however, get a noisier picture. Zooming past the sensor area, the above math would kick in. I think the main point is that optical zooming is superior. The size of the device being a trade-off.
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So true, missed your last sentence, sorry!
Of course optical zoom is superior, but even if you loose some IQ due to noise (probably only when shooting in low light) the rsolution figures is not even close to be true.
Kind regards
Mike
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Posted by Humble
Yes this is old news ( 4month ago ) But it coincidentally comes into emergence very soon after the X1 is released, And may be the the Platform adopted for longevity, Obviously depending on Commercial availability which is 2009 1Q, maybe be a while away, But Purchasing a FlagShip model should give you the confidence to own it for 2 years before it is Exceeded by another model, the point is that another Flagship model on the horizon more sooner than we can say %^&^& (sneaky suspicion called me paranoid) but I can just see, the MSM chipset becoming very antiquated in the latter half of 2008, As I mentioned and a few on this forum, HTC are trialing and took shipments of Qualcomms 1GHz snapdragon SDK (what are the blighties up to hmmm) and Perhaps the Collab between S.E. was just a one off, And S.E
are going to adopted its own Telephony/ Multimedia functionalities within its U500 platform,
These are only my opinions and nothing is testimony but Personally i see a trend, it happens in many areas of industry,
The Enthusiastic vigor towards the X1, dwindles somewhat when stark reality of another fone that Tops the Xperia so soon after its release, So Paranoia is a good thing Im just looking around toward the horizon that will protect my admiration for this device, and I see hungry young wolves approaching the old dog has to go
Posted by Dogmann
Hi all,
This is an Ericsson solution not SE and it says it will be commercially available in the first half of 2009 which doesn't mean Q1 it also doesn't meant we will see devices then either. As it will take quite a few a while for OEM's to implement it and have devices running it.
It is also isn't that different to the performance that is being promised by the Ti OMAP 3's chip solution which will also be available 1H 2009.
But as always the progression continues what ever you buy now or in the next couple of months it will always be superseded a short while later. That's just the way it works there really is no such thing as future proofing for 2 years.
Although since the OMAP 2420 was first used the only addition has been HSDPA till now and until of course the OMAP 3 chip's arrives or their competitors. But one of the best bits of news about these new chips is whilst they will deliver much higher quality solutions they will also be more power efficient. So as always the future looks good as to the devices we can expect to see in 2009 being far better than those in 2008, well at least for those manufactures that use and implement those solutions for us.
Marc
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Posted by Humble
Very interesting point Dogmann about the Omap 3 series, and theses are going to be released next year, Unfortunately you are supporting my suspicions that X1 a passing Trend only to be superceeded shortly by theses devices the question how long can I wait, and the WM7 ready,
If we are going to upgrade our software platforms then surely we need a solid hardware platform to build upon, Like i mentioned earlier the MSM chipsets will be oldhat come 2009, the performance difference between MSM against APX, snapdragon u500 omap3 are going to be sad
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-01 20:33:54, Humble wrote:
...And may be the the Platform adopted for longevity, Obviously depending on Commercial availability which is 2009 1Q, maybe be a while away, But Purchasing a FlagShip model should give you the confidence to own it for 2 years before it is Exceeded by another model...
How can anyone enjoy their purchases when they are so occupied with something superior coming out before the better thing has even been released. Seems like it would drive people crazy
I mean, is this an endless cycle of:
-buy phone
-constantly install firmware and software
-better phone comes out 6 months later
-start all over again
?????
How much is there to do on a new phone that the old one can't do? (I know, I sound like a grumpy old man
)
Posted by Humble
lol exactly Whybe Couldnt put it better myself
Posted by Dogmann
Hi all,
But that's just how it is and always has been as long as you are caught up in the desire for the latest and greatest and your search for the ultimate convergence device it never ends.
It took me the best part of 20 years to realise there really isn't an ultimate convergence device and to just be happy with what i have. Well at least until things really move up another level and offer a real advantages over my current device.
Which is how i have at last now stopped my desire for my next gadget hit and will just get my free upgrade to sell or use. Well thats the theory, reality is a little more complex.
Marc
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Posted by VinnyP!
I'm wondering this too. There is info saying yes, and there is info saying no.
Until recently I thought all the info was still saying no but the original poster is quite right there does no longer appear to be an orientation button on the latest pictures.
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-02 01:38:44, VinnyP! wrote:
I'm wondering this too. There is info saying yes, and there is info saying no.
Until recently I thought all the info was still saying no but the original poster is quite right there does no longer appear to be an orientation button on the latest pictures.
Lack of an orientation button could mean:
1) Redundant feature since opening the slide implies landscape mode anyway.
2) An accelerometer was installed to accomodate the lack of button and/or WM7.
3) It always had a motion sensor.
Which to believe???
Posted by clauf
I noticed that too. I hope they decided to add the accelerometer. Or do you think they decided to use that "camera technology" which can act as the accelerometer [this is according to pocket-lint]
Posted by roo7
Do you think that there's a mistake with the article ?
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/0,39030106,49297115,00.htm
The Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 will be available to buy in June and will most likely come free on a monthly contract.
Sony Ericsson is coming to CommunicAsia 2008 in Singapore
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-03 19:36:46, roo7 wrote:
The Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 will be available to buy in June and will most likely come free on a monthly contract.
Yes, this will be the first 10 year contract offered by the mobile companies.
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Posted by XPHCTOC
Very strange. I've found another site claming that xperia will be avaible this summer.
http://www.mobifrance.com/new[....]ait--tre-distribue-par-Orange/
In the picture you can notice under "extra features" that's written:
Track id music recognition(???????)
and... Motion sensor (with UI auto-rotate) ????????????????????????????? (maybe the 13 additional grams are a motion sensor?)
I don't know how trustworthy is this document..
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-04 01:08:04, XPHCTOC wrote:
Very strange. I've found another site claming that xperia will be avaible this summer.
Link
In the picture you can notice under "extra features" that's written:
Track id music recognition(???????)
and... Motion sensor (with UI auto-rotate) ????????????????????????????? (maybe the 13 additional grams are a motion sensor?)
I don't know how trustworthy is this document..
I think Track ID is a feature of the PlayNow service that will be available for the X1.
Posted by aksd
Track ID is not play now, track ID records and then identifies the song.
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-04 03:56:39, aksd wrote:
Track ID is not play now, track ID records and then identifies the song.
I didn't say they were one in the same. But, one of the features touted by the PlayNow service is TrackID based on a more than 5 million song library.
Read up on PlayNow
Posted by aksd
My mistake, I'm so used to seeing TrackID as a seperate app
, did'nt know they'd integrated it with PlayNow.
Posted by XPHCTOC
I know what track id is. I was astonished cause I thought track id wasn't compatible with WiMO.
What you guys think of this paper? Do you really think a June release is possible???? And do you also think xperia has an accelerometer?
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Posted by aksd
There are track ID apps for WM, I'm using one atm. Hard to say if a June release is possible, probably not though, theres no indication that deliveries have started. But SE might be working overtime to beat HTC to the release of Raphael.
Logically speaking though, the possibilities are slim for a worldwide release of the X1 this month. If they do do it, I'd say hats off to SE
Posted by Humble
The X1 got itself serious competitor 288MB RAM!!!!!!!
http://htctouchpro.com/
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-04 10:15:06, Humble wrote:
The X1 got itself serious competitor 288MB RAM!!!!!!!
Uh-Oh, this must mean that TouchFlo 3D is even more flawed and inefficient than the X1 panels?
Rotate sensor, optical auto-focus, TV-out, 288MB RAM--nice feature additions. I wonder what it's missing compared to X1?
Looks like it's coming out no sooner than the X1 though. That will be an interesting showdown. I choose the SE Xy1.
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Posted by Humble
I edging more towards the X1 also but may be swayed if it comes out early
Its a nice looking bit of machinery so to speak,
Does it really have Optical Zoom?
Funny bit about the ram increase
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-04 11:27:54, Humble wrote:
...Does it really have Optical Zoom?...
Looking more carefully at the sentence in the Press Release, it may or may may not be optical focus. The sentence reads "The built-in camera includes an optical auto-focus lens that ensures the photos you take will be clear and consistent." Actual optical focus or wordplay?...I don't know.
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Posted by aksd
On 2008-06-04 10:52:55, WhyBe wrote:
On 2008-06-04 10:15:06, Humble wrote:
The X1 got itself serious competitor 288MB RAM!!!!!!!
Uh-Oh, this must mean that TouchFlo 3D is even more flawed and inefficient than the X1 panels?
Rotate sensor, optical auto-focus, TV-out, 288MB RAM--nice feature additions. I wonder what it's missing compared to X1?
Looks like it's coming out no sooner than the X1 though. That will be an interesting showdown. I chose the SE Xy1.
[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-06-04 10:15 ]
It lacks the processor punch of the X1, but if you're buying the american version of the X1 then the Diamond Pro is a better buy. The X1 EU/EMEA version uses the MSM7200 processor which records at VGA*30fps while the Diamond pro and the X1a records at QVGA*24fps. I prefer the better processor to the increased RAM, but thats just me.
The screen is better on the X1 of course.
EDIT: on the website it says Auto Focus nothing more
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Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-04 13:56:14, aksd wrote:
It lacks the processor punch of the X1, but if you're buying the american version of the X1 then the Diamond Pro is a better buy. The X1 EU/EMEA version uses the MSM7200 processor which records at VGA*30fps while the Diamond pro and the X1a records at QVGA*24fps. I prefer the better processor to the increased RAM, but thats just me.
The screen is better on the X1 of course.
Aren't the processors the same?
Unless something is added to the 'a' version to make it more appealing to me, I'll probably get the X1i since the X1a is going to have crippled video.
The extra RAM might not mean too much if TouchFlo 3D is consuming it.
[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-06-04 13:04 ]
Posted by aksd
Nope, MSM7201a for the x1a and the MSM7200A for the X1.
Posted by Yakkaimono
So can anyone say which one will have better multimedia capability (music and video playback) ?
That will be the last factor after which I will choose between the X1 and the Touch Pro.
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-04 14:33:22, Yakkaimono wrote:
So can anyone say which one will have better multimedia capability (music and video playback) ?
That will be the last factor after which I will choose between the X1 and the Touch Pro.
I'm guessing the X1i.
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-04 14:26:05, aksd wrote:
Nope, MSM7201a for the x1a and the MSM7200A for the X1.
What processor is the Diamond Pro/Raphael? 7201a?
Posted by Yakkaimono
It uses the MSM7201A.