Posted by Yakkaimono
That's the best news since a long time. Now if they get the thing with the os working it will be just an awesome device and maybe my next phone.
Posted by QVGA
So this means the X panel problems will be solved? Were those caused by less RAM or what?
Posted by fumi_moon
I have to say, I was not very interested in X1 before, I was looking forward to Paris but that has changed, then I heard of another SE device in the 2008 Rumor thread that I believe will have similar specs to the X1.
However, I am thinking of waiting for X1 instead because of this ram change to 256 MB.
Posted by Peio
Me too, I'm getting more and more bored of my P1i at the moment, and want to change of OS toward WM.
The only issues are
- its price
- its release date
These could make me buy the diamond instead, if i'm not patient enough
Posted by norti
Now I think the Diamond will fade away in no time (sorry for it)
The new white paper is more accurate than the R1a. Talking/video talking/standby times look promising (I think the standby time for UMTS and GSM is replaced, UMTS standby is less than GSM, but it's still great)
The R2a WP means, that the release time will be soon (all of my previous SE phones were retailed with R2a firmware)
Posted by jalf
is it because of new batteries from se?
Posted by d-southwest
I think its great that some things have change for tha x1
But i still have a question
What will be tha storage memory of this phone NOW?
Posted by badassmam
What are the SE elements of the phone? I know the camera uses the SE UI, what about Walkman player? Any other things apart from the panels that differentiate it from other WM devices?
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-05-22 23:44:21, d-southwest wrote:
I think its great that some things have change for tha x1
But i still have a question
What will be tha storage memory of this phone NOW?
The storage is the same. Up to 400MB flash plus whatever SDHC card you add (4GB, 8GB, 16GB and so on).
Posted: 2008-05-22 18:52 by Badassmam
What are the SE elements of the phone? I know the camera uses the SE UI, what about Walkman player? Any other things apart from the panels that differentiate it from other WM devices?
What are the SE elements of the phone? I know the camera uses the SE UI, what about Walkman player? Any other things apart from the panels that differentiate it from other WM devices?
There will be software written especially for the X1 (800x480 WVGA) available through Handango InHand at the time of release. The white paper has information on some of the included
panels. It seems as if you could possibly never see WM depending on what you run. All software is potentially accessible through panels. So to get from one app to the next, just press the panel button then choose the panel you want. Very iPhone-ish.[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-23 07:56 ]
Posted by XPHCTOC
Thanks to Yakkaimono we now know that there is a 3rd version of X1 white paper. I've checked very carefully the 2 papers.
There are no differences except some typographic changes. Nothing really interesting
p.21
"Data rates
Multislot class 10 supported (max 5 simultaneously)
Coding Scheme: CS-1, CS-2, CS-3, CS-4 supported
Data Rates: 9,050 bps, 13,400 bps, 15,600 bps, 21,400 bps supported (network dependent)"
In the 2nd version it was written "Multislot class 12 supported".
That's all.
Creating a new version of the document just for this is very strange. They have confirmed the 256MB RAM and 512 ROM, the weight (it's always 158gr) + and the have let the mistaken life battery in UMTS use.
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Posted by WhyBe
Here's a thread on the so-called WM device 65K color "restriction".
Posted by d-southwest
Thanks WhyBe
So tha memorys isnt lower than 400MB?
Peace
Posted by d-southwest
What i meant to say was
On the other whitepaper was that it was 400mb, but because of tha panel or Windows program that it became 360mb
Do you get me on this:P
Posted by XPHCTOC
Where did you read that built in storage would be 360MB?? In the 3rd White paper release it's always written "up to 400MB".
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-05-23 16:47:06, d-southwest wrote:
What i meant to say was
On the other whitepaper was that it was 400mb, but because of tha panel or Windows program that it became 360mb
Do you get me on this:P
OK, in that case, built in Flash RAM is 512MB. I suppose 112MB of that is used for )all of the built in software + OS. That leaves 400MB for your own software and data.
Then there's the 256MB SDRAM for program execution (volatile RAM)
Finally, theres additional storage for data snd software provided by SDHC cards which could be from 4/8/16/32 GB depending on the capacity of card you buy.
Posted by d-southwest
To XPHCTOC and WhyBe
Thanks
Now i understand
Thanks for your help
Sorry i forgot where it stated about tha 360MB
Peace
Posted by imranbashir
Hey all, just to let you know that the group over at XDA-Developers have created a sub-forum specifically for the SonyEricsson Xperia X1.
I don’t know how many of you are aware of them, but this is actually great news, as the wealth of experience that group will bring in terms of resolving bugs, unlocking the handset, bringing new and cooked ROMs, de-branding operator customisations, etc... is invaluable.
Anyway, I suggest you go have a look here, book mark it and come back to it closer to when the phone is released.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=436
Posted by hahaha112
Which type of touchscreen has X1. Resistive or Capacitive
Posted by Yakkaimono
It should be a resistive touchscreen since HTC always uses them.
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-05-24 13:16:45, hahaha112 wrote:
Which type of touchscreen has X1. Resistive or Capacitive
Probably resistive. Capacitive touch screens only work with bare fingers or specially made styli. However, no gloves allowed on capacitive.
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Posted by imranbashir
It is a resistive screen.
Also with regards to capacitive screens I hate it when people say it can only be used with a bare hand that is strictly not true. All you need is a special stylus that is conductive. In other words a stylus made fully of metal, as long as the tip is rounded and the screen has a tempered glass laminate it’s not an issue.
This would be the perfect solution, as it would allow the accuracy of using a stylus for handwriting recognition and all the benefits of using a capacitive screen such as a lighter touch, faster response and no accidental registrations when in your pocket for example.
Posted by aksd
@imran
Thats on the dot
. There are quite a few mis-informed statements flying around of late .
I guess theres no stylus for capacitive screens as there a possibility of scratching the screen? IR screens are an efficent way to go as well, you can have a very rugged screen with excellent response.
Posted by imranbashir
It would be quite hard to scratch a capacitive screen with a properly formed conductive stylus. Especially as the screen can be glass and tempered.
IR is probably the worst of the lot, as it has a relatively low resolution, so not good for handwriting recognition. The only other option is surface wave technology. But my view would be to stick with capacitive and a metal stylus.
Posted by d-southwest
But can resistive screen be easy to scratch?
Posted by aksd
Yes in a way, capacitive screens are basically glass (or similar hard type material) screens with a coating of a conductive layer.
While Resistive consist of a few layers with spaces between them. When pressure is applied onto the screen the layers meet at a point and this causes a change in current which is further tranformed into positioning. Therforce there must be a certain degree of motion in the screen, making it softer and sometimes less durable.
@imran
The Neonode N2 uses IR, not sure how to perform on handwriting recognition, never used one, but from what I've heard its supposed to be good. But I maybe wrong.
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Posted by d-southwest
To aksd
Thanks
Thats to bad i hope in that case that SE/HTC puts a scratch-free screen
But another question on Gsmarena a person tells that tha metal batterycover could disconnect or something like that, is that true?
Posted by aksd
lol, disconnect what? a call? No such thing, although material and colour does effect your reception. Usually black colour is supposed to give the best reception. But not to an extent that your calls will get disconnected. My ROKR E6 has a metal battery cover and its got the best reception in any phone I've found to date(not that its connected or anything
).
Posted by d-southwest
Thanks again
And sorry for ma bad english
And is there maybe a chace that tha whitepaper will change again
I mean support more media files?
And Flash player?
And just one question
Is it true about tha 10 hours talktime? ( coz i find that good enough for.)
Peace
Posted by Astral1
I think what is being reffered to here, is something Bengalboy said in his review.
Basically, he was saying the metal battery cover doesnt seem to fit too well (proto phone?), and he has concerns that it may cause the battery to dislodge when the phone is in use.
Hopefully this is a proto issue, and SE will have it sorted before production.
Posted by imranbashir
From what I remember the Neonode N2 and the original both run a version of CE with their own GUI on top. Very small cute phones!
I knew the screen was IR, but it doesn’t support handwriting recognition, from what I remember IR technology has a resolution that is about three to four times as poor as capacitive. Capacitive also has a limited resolution when compared to resistive, but it’s still good enough for handwriting recognition. Surface wave also allows you to use the Z plane so you can have pressure for example when painting.
Posted by aksd
But surface wave is less durable and also effected by dust etc.. on the surface of the screen
.
Guess that leaves us with Resistive or capacitive all over again lol
Posted by d-southwest
Ma bad
Sorry
And thanks for yall answer
Posted by WhyBe
Which is capable of higher resolution?
Also, I'm assuming it is not possible to use a screen protector on capacitive????
Posted by aksd
I'm not knowledgable on the subject, but imran mentioned a few posts above that resistive have higher resolutions.
A few links http://www.embedsystems.com/devices/touch-screen
http://www.tvielectronics.com/Touch_Screen.html
Nothing about resolutions, but worth a read
Posted by imranbashir
On 2008-05-24 20:24:58, WhyBe wrote:
Which is capable of higher resolution?
Also, I'm assuming it is not possible to use a screen protector on capacitive????
On a capacitive screen the resolution is limited by the change in impedance. The impedance change causes a change in the frequency of the oscillators at the end of embedded electrode. There’s a limit to the Signal to Noise Ratio of the oscillator and the ADC (analogue to digital converter).
On a resistive screen as there is no oscillator the SNR does not play an important role and the limit is down to the ADC (analogue to digital converter) the larger the ADC bit width the better the resolution.
I believe you can get screen protectors for capacitive screens, never looked into it, but I would assume they are made of a conductive material, sorry never needed to look into that!
Apologies for any mistakes in the above, but I think that gives you the basic concept. We’re going way off topic here...
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Posted by WhyBe
Thanks for the info.
Posted by Dogmann
Hi all,
Well when i had my iPhone i fitted it with anti glare film protector and there are lots to choose from so i would say it is safe to assume it is not a problem. Although i don't know if it was made of a special material or not but is priced the same as ordinary quality screen protectors.
Marc
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Posted by hahaha112
Thanks for the answers. It is because there is an Iphone fanboy im my class and he has brainwashed all in my class to think that the that iPhone is the best so to persuade him i must have an perfect phone which i consider X1 is but he thinks that capasitive screens are the best because you almost not shall touch the screen before it reacts and it is scrath free but in a way and another is resistive screens not just as good as capasitive.
is it all resitive screens that u should touch a little harder or it is just the w960's screen.
Posted by Naar
hello all!
i was thinking of getting a new phone this year and was eyeing the X1. i have been a P series owner since 2002. is the X1 a good upgrade? i have looked at the white paper and specs on sonys site and somethings seem odd.
#1. it only supports SD cards? why doesnt it support memory stick since its a sony product?
#2. some sites do not mention the 2nd camera for video calls but other sites do. there is no camera on the front of the phone so can you do 2 way video calling? and is there a 2nd camera?
#3. as a long time P series user would it be better to get the P1 or the X1?
thats all for right now thanks!!
Posted by hahaha112
On 2008-05-24 23:26:24, Naar wrote:
hello all!
i was thinking of getting a new phone this year and was eyeing the X1. i have been a P series owner since 2002. is the X1 a good upgrade? i have looked at the white paper and specs on sonys site and somethings seem odd.
#1. it only supports SD cards? why doesnt it support memory stick since its a sony product?
#2. some sites do not mention the 2nd camera for video calls but other sites do. there is no camera on the front of the phone so can you do 2 way video calling? and is there a 2nd camera?
#3. as a long time P series user would it be better to get the P1 or the X1?
thats all for right now thanks!!
#1 It's because HTC is the manufacture SE has designed it and made the GUI
#2 It is 3G so it is obvious that is has videocalls
#3 Your choice.
P1 has a older OS than X1 which uses WM 6.1 that has more apps
Posted by Yakkaimono
@ Naar
If you don't mind windows mobile then go ahead. The hardware platform is really good.
1. It doesn't support m2 because it's more oriented towards USA and microsd is more common than m2 in most of the countries including USA. (It isn't a Sony product since HTC is making the phone.)
2. There is a video call camera. It's on the front just really well hidden.
One of the red circled spaces holds the video call cam and the other the light sensor.
3. In my opinion the X1 would be better. Why do you want the P1i?
If you want to stay with UIQ then go for the G900,G700, G702 or the upcoming Paris (P5?). They should be faster than the P1i, also the G702 and Paris will have UIQ 3.3.
Posted by Naar
thanks for replies
hmm its not made by SE? i didnt know that. its on thier website and has SE logo.
im a big fan of the P series. is there a new P phone coming soon (P5)? i dont plan to buy until end of the year anyway so i can wait.
Posted by NightBlade
On 2008-05-25 01:52:25, Naar wrote:
thanks for replies
hmm its not made by SE? i didnt know that. its on thier website and has SE logo.
im a big fan of the P series. is there a new P phone coming soon (P5)? i dont plan to buy until end of the year anyway so i can wait.
It's not manufactured by SE. But SE did the important part - the R&D.
Posted by aksd
On 2008-05-25 01:55:53, NightBlade wrote:
On 2008-05-25 01:52:25, Naar wrote:
thanks for replies
hmm its not made by SE? i didnt know that. its on thier website and has SE logo.
im a big fan of the P series. is there a new P phone coming soon (P5)? i dont plan to buy until end of the year anyway so i can wait.
It's not manufactured by SE. But SE did the important part - the R&D.
Right, they also invented the wheel
They did the R&D for the HTC Diamond as well did'nt you know? As well as the HTC TyTnII, the TOuch Cruise and the entire line of HTC phones.
WHen you say R&D it means hardware platfrom and core OS functionality. SE did'nt do this, this is why they outsourced so that they can save on lead time and money on starting out with a new platfrom. What SE have done is only Application development as well as localization.
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Posted by Humble
On a slightly minor note, Does the X1 have a toughen Sapphire glass for the screen?
My old Artemis and even my Touch Cruise had minor hairline scratches which appeared gradually from weeks of use,
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Posted by d-southwest
How will the high resulotie effect tha games and apps?
Will tha frames fit?
And will it be nice to watch?
Peace
Posted by clauf
I think Sony Ericsson would be including their own games... would be interesting to see what they come up with too. They unfortunately don't have an accelerometer in the X1, but hopefully the game can make use of the D-Pad, optical dpad, and perhaps even the keyboard.
I feel like I'm spamming the forums but I accidentally posted on the Whitepaper revision topic. Anyway my question would be, because this phone would have 256 MB ram, do you think the HTC Diamond interface: TouchFlo 3D Manila would work in this phone? I would think maybe the screensize may be a little odd...
Anyway, I just want Sony Ericsson to get rid of the windows Mobile look. Thank god we have X-Panels, but that's not enough. I would like Sony Ericsson to include something like TouchFlo 3D to replace that ugly home screen and provide fast shortcuts to browse photos, play music, read text messages, schedules, and notes application. This interface has been seen in Touchflo3D and Sony Ericsson's very own UIQ 3.0 devuces,
Posted by MYB87
even with the touchflo 3d you will end up using the regular windows UI
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-05-26 09:49:49, clauf wrote:
...Anyway, I just want Sony Ericsson to get rid of the windows Mobile look. Thank god we have X-Panels, but that's not enough. I would like Sony Ericsson to include something like TouchFlo 3D to replace that ugly home screen and provide fast shortcuts to browse photos, play music, read text messages, schedules, and notes application. This interface has been seen in Touchflo3D and Sony Ericsson's very own UIQ 3.0 devuces,
With X-panels you are only two presses away from any app. How can you beat that?
As far as the Windows Mobile look, from what I've seen so far, the Sony apps don't have that look. Of course, it's all dependent upon how any specific app is written.
It seems to me the huge delay for the X1 is due to the development time required for custom X1 apps. If they wanted users to rely on legacy WM software, they probably could have released the X1 by now.
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Posted by aksd
Messaging, emails, other available apps, any default windows apps will all be normal windows. What SE is doing is doing is developing a set of apps such as camera, today screen, RSS feeds, multimedia app etc.. which will be touch friendly. But when you do use it in everyday use you'll still get to se quite a bit of default windows, unless like some people all you do on your phone is turn it on use the cam and media player and thats about it, but generally for a person buying the X1 thats definately not what he has in mind.
Touch Flo also is the same, and thats basically a today screen plugin, should be able to port it to the X1, even though theres a resolution problem, what might happen would be some more empty space on the screen.
@WHyBe
The delay however does not include them "waiting" for X1 apps, if you believe this you will be sorely disappointed. I have from a reliable source that the delay is because they're taking time iover software optimization and localization. If they were "waiting" for devs to write apps, dont you think theyd need to havea frame work for developers to work on, or do the devs just know how the "modified" OS as you think it is works?
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