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Posted by WhyBe
A surprising feature about the X1 is when the box is opened, a light beam will split the heavens and shine through your window. Angels will begin to sing then finally doves will flutter across the sky.

Why so concerned about how much I like the X1? Would you prefer I like it less? Perhaps will start building phones for all of those companies that can't get their WM devices quite like Xperia X1 Perhaps will offer training classes--WM Phone Design 101.

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-15 15:43 ]


Posted by WhyBe
@aksd:

Anyways, there is no need for a rewrite of the WM SDK (to add touch??????). I was saying, that Xperia software will be like a shell to WM. As long as covers all the bases (functions of the phone: camera, radio, phone dialer, etc.) there will be no need for the average user to even see the WM interface unless they choose to. Every function of the phone would be accessed through the apps. Of course, third party software would be something different. Even the SE rep in the video said they are giving developers time to develop apps for the X1 in time for it's release. Makes me believe these apps would follow the same Xperia GUI concept or else why would they wait for just some more standard WM apps? Ther's tons of those already.

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-15 15:55 ]

Posted by aksd
No you can like the X1 all you want, but know where it stands rather than glorify it, which gets peoples expectations up reading stories of how great the X1 is, when in reality it is'nt as great as projected, and when its released you have disappointed customers. Be realistic, have realistic expectations and you're sure to enjoy the X1.

If you want the basic functions as you mentioned, buy a K850 or something, a "typical" WM user does'nt "just" use basic functions.

There are two possible paths:
1. Have a finger friendly launcher with a ton of app friendly apps(but this is quite pointless imo but is helpful to an extent, I personally use both PointUI as well as SPB mobile shell, pointUI is something like what you're suggesting but as soon as you open say the messaging you're back to tiny buttons)
2. CHange WM completely and that is happening, WM7 first devices expected end of 2008 from MwG, I'm sure the current gen phones such as the X1 and diamond will get Wm7 upgrades(recent video was shown with the TOuch Cruise running WM7)

What they meant is to get apps in the WVGA resolution, not using some new fangled SDK. Many of those "tons" of apps wont work on the X1 due to the screen resolution. THe .NET based apps should work wihtout any problem(maybe slight modification of code if required) but the native apps most definately wont work without editing the source code. So this is what the developers need to do.

Regards,

Akshay

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[ This Message was edited by: aksd on 2008-05-15 16:29 ]

Posted by WhyBe

On 2008-05-15 17:29:05, aksd wrote:
No you can like the X1 all you want, but know where it stands rather than glorify it, which gets peoples expectations up reading stories of how great the X1 is, when in reality it is'nt as great as projected, and when its released you have disappointed customers. Be realistic, have realistic expectations and you're sure to enjoy the X1....


I have not said anything untrue about the X1 (OK, maybe the angels singing ). Any speculation I have made is based on real and verifiable information--especially this last subject of X1 GUI laying on-top-of WM. Apple has sent all of the smartphone manufacturers back to the drawing board to get their GUIs improved. It would be stupid for any manufacturer to release a phone with just plain old WM with no GUI enhancements. I believe, based on what I have seen, that has recognized and is acting on this in a major way.

aksd, If people want to get excited over the X1, THIS thread is the place to do it. I don't understand why you have appointed yourself as the emotions police. You sound like the guy at Wal*Mart trying to control a crowd of people that have camped out all night for a Nintendo Wii Or, It's like when a beautiful woman (X1) walks into the room, alot of the other women get angry and start trying to point out her flaws

I'm not going to get into a "I'm-more-of-a-phone-pro-than-you" battle. This is all just friendly discussion to me. Also, if anyone thinks this thread is a one-stop-shop on everything about the X1, then shame on them. Thanks for the info on the TV out, I will look into it.

Posted by WhyBe
Here is some (paraphrased?) info from HTC (concerning complaints about the TyTnII video driver issue):

To address lingering questions about HTC's current MSM 7xxx devices, it is important to establish that a chipset like an MSM7xxx is a platform with a vast multitude of features that enable a wide range of devices with varied functionality. It is common that devices built on platforms like Qualcomm's will not enable every feature or function.

In addition to making sure the required hardware is present, unlocking extended capabilities of chipsets like the MSM 7xxx requires in-depth and time consuming software development, complicated licensing negotiations, potential intellectual property negotiations, added licensing fees, and in the case of devices that are sold through operators, the desire of the operator to include the additional functionality. To make an informed decision about which handset suits them best, consumers should look at the product specification itself instead of using the underlying chipset specifications to define what the product could potentially become.


This could give insight as to why the X1 doesn't have TV out and also, what's taking so long.

Please don't confuse this as a statement of HTC "really" making the X1.

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-15 20:01 ]

Posted by aksd
@WhyBe

We'll you have mentioned that the specs are like nothing seen before, and thats what got all the hackles up . Just like the iPhone having specs never seen before, the UI is great it caused a UI revolution in the touchscreen world etc.. but windows answer to that is WM7. You can hope and pray all you want that you'd never see the underlying WM shell, but its just not possible, any WM user can tell you that, and from your posts I gather you do not program which isnt really an issue, but thats why you dont understand that the WM interface cannot be altered in anyway at the core level, and nor can there be a hybrid SDK for SE phones unless SE has a framework where apps can install on that, but this might not be the case looking at the videos, similar type apps have been present(not identical but along the same line with less eyecandy though) task managers that show screenshots of all open programs on the home screen, its called Dynamo 2. And what I've been trying to tell you is if you expect something iPhonish prepare to be disappointed, even the Diamonds thing is a today screen plugin only, some people got an early release of it running on their TyTnII. And I said it once I'll say it again, the iPhone type UI you are searching for will not be present in the X1 at release it will be present however in WM7 whcih will be available for the X1 either through offical or un-offical means (hopefully at least)

I dont suppose you've read my earlier posts on this thread have you? Look past pg 77 or something, lots of good debates from my end pro X1 and a few white papers you can read up on before debating . Basically did you see what happened regarding the SE paris, people are at a point that they;d practically hang the phone if it could be hung because of all the hype. And some people take what they read on these forums as the gospel truth so..........

I'd like to think I'm more of a phone pro as its been part of my education as well as hobby and future career, so I like to think that I know my stuff, I apologise if I come off to aggressive but I'm a wee bit too passionate about cellphone tech in general(no theres nothing mentally wrong with me , been checked by several docs ). I




Posted by aksd

On 2008-05-15 20:54:47, WhyBe wrote:
Here is some (paraphrased?) info from HTC (concerning complaints about the TyTnII video driver issue):

To address lingering questions about HTC's current MSM 7xxx devices, it is important to establish that a chipset like an MSM7xxx is a platform with a vast multitude of features that enable a wide range of devices with varied functionality. It is common that devices built on platforms like Qualcomm's will not enable every feature or function.

In addition to making sure the required hardware is present, unlocking extended capabilities of chipsets like the MSM 7xxx requires in-depth and time consuming software development, complicated licensing negotiations, potential intellectual property negotiations, added licensing fees, and in the case of devices that are sold through operators, the desire of the operator to include the additional functionality. To make an informed decision about which handset suits them best, consumers should look at the product specification itself instead of using the underlying chipset specifications to define what the product could potentially become.


This could give insight as to why the X1 doesn't have TV out and also, what's taking so long.

Please don't confuse this as a statement of HTC "really" making the X1.

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-15 20:01 ]


You actually believe that drivel ? Thats HTC speak, btw that was concerning the Drivers, which is a bit difficult to implement once the final product is ready, for an induvidual that is, but for a corporation, no way, and TV_out implementation is'nt as difficult as that either , also ususally lead time(dev time) on a phone is usually 1.5yrs, dont tell me they need more than that to imlement 2 tiny features after putting together the X1. You can make all the excuses you want for the company . Its like, when you buy a car and the head lights dont work, and you're like why? They're like we never mentioned that the head lights work and it would take us too long to make the necessary connections.

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[ This Message was edited by: aksd on 2008-05-15 20:21 ]

Posted by imranbashir

On 2008-05-15 17:29:05, aksd wrote:
2. CHange WM completely and that is happening, WM7 first devices expected end of 2008 from MwG, I'm sure the current gen phones such as the X1 and diamond will get Wm7 upgrades(recent video was shown with the TOuch Cruise running WM7)



@aksd,

Do you have a link to the video of WM7 running on a Touch cruise, I would really like to see it.

@WhyBe,

I’m afraid that you lack of experience with WM devices is obvious. I agree with aksd that you will only have a panels interface, a camera interface, and that’s about it on the X1. It’s not I don’t want more, if they could improve it then great. But I highly doubt it.

I know I have been refereeing to HTC a lot, but hear me out, the original HTC Touch was HTC’s first attempt to hide the WM interface, and it was way too shallow, you managed to get to the windows interface far too quickly. TouchFLO 3D is much better at covering up the interface, but to get this far HTC has had three attempts.

I don’t see how you can expect SE, with no experience of WM to do the same on their first attempt. Don’t get me wrong, if they do it then kudos, but I’ll be pessimistic, where as your very optimistic, I do hope the X1 lives up to your expectations. Your right about something at least, this is the place to get excited about the X1!

Posted by aksd
Did I say Cruise, sorry my mistake , its the Touch Dual, my mistake, its just for a few seconds in the new Windows Live Mesh video, it at least looks like WM7 colour scheme and all .

http://www.engadgetmobile.com[....]-in-microsoft-live-mesh-video/

Posted by imranbashir

On 2008-05-15 21:40:34, aksd wrote:
Did I say Cruise, sorry my mistake , its the Touch Dual, my mistake, its just for a few seconds in the new Windows Live Mesh video, it at least looks like WM7 colour scheme and all .

http://www.engadgetmobile.com[....]-in-microsoft-live-mesh-video/



Your not wrong when you said a few seconds! I do hope wm7 lives up to the hype...

Posted by WhyBe
Well I guess we all have to wait until the release of the X1 to see what's really going to be there, huh?

My feeling is if a lot of the WM flaws can be tweaked and enhanced by third party apps, there is no reason couldn't implement the same strategy in designing their X1 software. I don't buy the argument that doesn't have WM experience. is a company, not a person. It's as simple as hiring programmers with the skills required for the job. There is a very real reason the X1 is not released yet, even though the hardware is complete, software! If they were just going to give us the X1 hardware with the panels plopped on top of WM6.1, then it would be released already.

What I am talking about does not require the remaking and restructuring of WM (even though many would welcome that). It's about X1 having it's own suite of well made, intuitive applications with a generous helping of eye candy thrown in. If this can be done with a picture browser, it can be done with a phone dialer. It can be done with a contacts manager. It can be done with.......and so on. This only takes DEVELOPMENT TIME on 's part, not a new version of WM. As I've stated before, if one chooses to run third party apps (I'm assuming most will), then it's back to WM world, of course.

Posted by Dogmann
Hi WhyBe

You really think it's that simple are you totally oblivious to what has happened with UIQ since the UIQ3 launch and the P990 a platform SE has worked on for a long time and is now even a 50% owner of?

If your view of how easy it is to optimize a device is on any platform was we would all be walking around with perfect devices right now. Which in case you hadn't noticed none of us our.

Please explain how or why you think that SE with HTC and Microsoft on their first collaboration are going to be able to deliver what you think, on a brand new OS as well just to complicate things further. As hopefully it will be good but perfect i seriously doubt.

But as already pointed out as far as being a Multimedia Monster it is missing out full 30fps VGA H.264 and mainly supports 3gp.

Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-05-16 00:52 ]

Posted by WhyBe
@Dogmann
I have said nothing that is impossible or out of reach from any company willing to devote the resources.

Is releasing a product with a well made suite of custom applications unattainable? Give me a break.

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-16 01:16 ]

Posted by mib1800
Let's face it. No matter what HTC/SE do to hide WM, it would not give the same total touch screen experience that Iphone or the future S60 Touch/WM7 can provide.


Posted by Keiki
Hmm i just read some articles HERE
People at akihabaranews says their test unit is faster than proto @3GSM
And they put some UI pictures too

Posted by aksd

On 2008-05-16 00:52:08, WhyBe wrote:

What I am talking about does not require the remaking and restructuring of WM (even though many would welcome that). It's about X1 having it's own suite of well made, intuitive applications with a generous helping of eye candy thrown in. If this can be done with a picture browser, it can be done with a phone dialer. It can be done with a contacts manager. It can be done with.......and so on. This only takes DEVELOPMENT TIME on 's part, not a new version of WM. As I've stated before, if one chooses to run third party apps (I'm assuming most will), then it's back to WM world, of course.


The pics of the dialer on the test unit was similar to the HTC dialer . And it will be done with all those apps you have mentioned, if not there are 3rd party apps to do the same. BUT every time you need to close a program, or a dialog box pops up its the same old WM OS. No matter what SE does, other than rewrite the WM OS its still going to be a pain to use single handedly, maybe a bit less of a pain but still a pain. A manufactueres only aim is to make the product market ready tothe least extent and then release, they're not going to spend months perfecting it, especially SE. I'm sure you'll realise that once it is actually out.

But the software shortcomings are not really shortcomings, like I said when you buy WM, you get updates, apps etc. And assuming from the hardware I think it should be ready for WM7 as well. So it should abe a good enjoyable buy(due to the WM modders).


On 2008-05-16 02:13:59, WhyBe wrote:
@Dogmann
I have said nothing that is impossible or out of reach from any company willing to devote the resources.

Is releasing a product with a well made suite of custom applications unattainable? Give me a break.

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-16 01:16 ]


Have you seen a company working from the inside? I'm sure you have'nt, many of us have worked closely or in a cellphone company and thats what we base our views on. They do the basic minimum and not more than what its required. Really not their fault as they're in it for the profit. Thats where the devs come in. And if they made the phone perfect then devs dont get work. Its not as simple as you think.


[ This Message was edited by: aksd on 2008-05-16 04:10 ]

Posted by WhyBe

Have you seen a company working from the inside? I'm sure you have'nt, many of us have worked closely or in a cellphone company and thats what we base our views on. They do the basic minimum and not more than what its required. Really not their fault as they're in it for the profit. Thats where the devs come in. And if they made the phone perfect then devs dont get work. Its not as simple as you think.


This principal applies to ALL industries, not just cellphone companies.


Why don't you guys go to S60 or UIQ or iPhone since WM has you so jaded?

Posted by aksd
@WhyBe

I love WM. But its not what you're making it out to be. All I'm doing is pointing that out to you. I've never once mentioned that WM is a bad OS, if you read my previous posts on this thread I've had several arguments with Dogmann and mib regarding that WM is a more "powerful" OS and more dev friendly OS than Symbian.

You misunderstand the point I am trying to make. Bascially all i want to do is clear the misconception that SE are going to release a ground breaking product, with a UI that blows everything else away, that is not the case.

Posted by WhyBe
OK, maybe not blow everything else away on the scale of iPhone, but I have the feeling that is making a worthy attempt to blow away every other WM phone by taking a few UI cues from Apple. From the available info and press releases, it seems as if , at least, understands that USER EXPERIENCE (thus the name 'XPERIA') is key to making a great mobile. Most of the user experience is brought about by software...no? Great hardware alone is not sufficient. So it is also a bonus that X1 is also a well thought out, powerful piece of hardware too. So this great experience brought about by software isn't WM6.1, we all know. It must be 's own included applications.

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-16 05:25 ]

Posted by aksd

On 2008-05-16 06:17:27, WhyBe wrote:
OK, maybe not blow everything else away on the scale of iPhone, but I have the feeling that is making a worthy attempt to blow away every other WM phone by taking a few UI cues from Apple. From the available info and press releases, it seems as if , at least, understands that USER EXPERIENCE (thus the name 'XPERIA') is key to making a great mobile. Most of the user experience is brought about by software...no? Great hardware alone is not sufficient. So it is also a bonus that X1 is also a well thought out, powerful piece of hardware too.

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-16 05:20 ]


We'll similar programs to make things finger friendly already exist, although not as flashy as SE's panels. You can check http://www.pointui.com or SPB Mobile SHell at http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com and of course imo the Diamond plugin is far nicer than SE's implementation but thats just my opinion(and its possible it might be able to port it to the X1, but it take a horrendous amount of RAM 40MB I heard). SE are not the first ones with this idea, first was HTC( a year ago), then came Asus/Gigabyte theres not much publicity for those companies as they're not as big as SE, and their products might or might not be better than SEs, that we can say only after launch. The Asus one seems quite nice, a 3D cube that rotates and some other stuff.

In WM great hardware is sufficent as generally many WM users strip off what the OEM gives us and put our own personalized stuff in. I rememeber a few memebrs posting that they;re first going to disable the panels , but thats just down to personal preference.

The hardware is good, its not amazing, I expcted the next gen Qualcomm processors this year as HTC claimed that they;re going to release the QUalcomm Snapdragon, a 1Ghz processor based phone. The processor tech is quite last year with a change in die size so that it could get clocked a little faster. Evedently the qualcomm processor has'nt really proved it self yet.

Just because SE claim its targeted at overall experiene does'nt mean it will actually be that amazing an experience. I think thats whats called Marketing hype, and SE are famous for not delivering on their promises


[ This Message was edited by: aksd on 2008-05-16 05:35 ]

Posted by WhyBe
I think all smartphone companies would like to have a much larger base for their products than just techie crowd who tweak and update their phones with add-ons. The average consumer is where the money is at (again, refer to iPhone). Inevitably, smartphone manufacturers are going to cater less and less to the geek crowd and more toward the mainstream that want a great working product right out of the box...not a fix'er up'er. This doesn't mean that phones won't be tweakable, but, the supplied software will be much more appealing than what has been available. Having appealing software right out of the box will also spur sales of the phones because prospective customers will immediately see what the phone can do instead of going on the promise that you can download enhancements after purchasing the phone.

The mainstream wants powerful phones that babysit them, not phones they have to babysit. The geek crowd will fend for itself as always.

Posted by aksd
If you read my post I mentioned a few people, you can expect a buisness man to keep modding his phone. But those few people are quite a large percent of WM users. And thats who the X1 is targeted at, not some teeny bopper who listens to music and uses just a cam.

You mentioned the mainstream want "powerful" phones that babysit them, then tell those people to buy an S60 N95 or E90 as they are powerful and complete. WM is more rough around the edges. And where the "powerful" is concrened, the S60 phones still are more poewrful from a multimedia perspective, the UI is less intimidating and more complete. SO if thats what you want WM is not yet your cup of tea, with WM 7 it should be. WM has been designed for users who are more hands on, they constitute the bulk of the sales of WM phones, there are however the few non technical buyers of WM which is good if this % increases, but that increase will be noticeable only after WM7 releases imo and the X1 is not going to do much to change that. Anybody can see that whos beein folowing cellphone tech for a while. If theres a phone to make WM more mainstream it'll be the diamond.

Having appealing software at a price greater than that of another phone with similar specs is'nt intelligent imo, a run of the mill WM buyer knows that anyway theres similar software out there where he/she does'nt need to spend the extra money for.

Cater less and less to the geek crowd? Dont make me laugh, when I was doing a project for motorola the fact that P2K phones were moddable was a un spoken USP inside the Motorola R&D center. The "geek" crowd want smartphones, that who its targeted at. Your statements are most uniformed. Look at how hacking Symbian OS has hit off, people love it. At the MotoDEV summit yesterday the speakers were actually requested to keep the LJ platform open as it helps in sales. And I'm sure you know that the iPhone modding community is one of the largest online, and if it was'nt for the modding commmunity Apple would have had far fewer sales.

This discussion is getting a little boring for me, I think this would be my last post regarding this subject, you seem to have very limited knowledge regarding WM. This debate is going no where imo.Your statements are ill informed and all I'm doing is wasting my time with exhaustive replies.


[ This Message was edited by: aksd on 2008-05-16 07:26 ]

Posted by WhyBe
OK, have a nice day

Posted by WhyBe
Here is an interesting Microsoft interview with some discussion of the X1 and the catering more toward mainstream consumers, as I mentioned a few posts earlier.

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-16 10:36 ]

Posted by BIG-Stan
Honestly guys, I dont trust SE anymore and I dont think that they'll get done something special and groundbreaking. The panels are nice but I think that if I#ll get SEX1 I might just rip them out...
You have to look at this realistic and SEs history proves that not everything they say will also be inculded in the retail device. Heck! They would even edit the whitepaper afterwards (p990 anyone and the nice animated wallpapers and the other stuff?
One thing that I really hope X1 to have are the drivers for the graphic chip. Thats all! If it wont be present in the phone then I'll look over to the diamond pro...

Posted by aksd

On 2008-05-16 10:28:04, WhyBe wrote:
Here is an interesting Microsoft interview with some discussion of the X1 and the catering more toward mainstream consumers, as I mentioned a few posts earlier.

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-16 10:36 ]


Are you so gullible that you believe evertyhing you read rather than base your understanding of a situation from hard facts? It seems like facts hardly matter to you, its just he said that and they said that, excellent I'm sure you believe the speeches given by politicans and eagrly wait for their promises to be full filled . We'll I'm too OT right now, but at least the majority of the members have their heads firmly fixed onto their shoulders rahter than floating high up in space.


Posted by WhyBe
@aksd:
I thought you were bored . That post was not addressed directly to you.

Actually that post was a video interview. Am I not supposed to believe words directly from someone's mouth? It seems as if M$'s, or 's or my own judgement tells me something, I should not believe it over what you tell me. Everyone's a liar except you???

I guess we'll have to wait and see how this X1 thing plays out to see who knew what they were talking about...huh???

@BigStan: check out Keiki's post on p128. It may be of interest to you.

Posted by aksd
Cant help counter acting your illogical conclusions .

Nothing of that sort, what I've put down are neutral facts, I have'nt made assumptions, whatever I've posted is based upon resoning me being a programmer as well as an understanding of the platform and the manufacturer, when a company speaks its for its own benefit, they have to say it to bring up their image. yes Microsoft want to target mass market and its slowly happening but until WM7 its not a possibility due to the UI. They need to lay the ground work for that.

ANother thing, for a manufacturer to use hardware they need to sign an agreement with the hardware manufactuerer, nowhere have I found any agreement with Qualcomm for their processors. AMong the top manufactueres as of now all I'm aware of is Moto and HTC implementing the Qualcomm processors. Now this means that the X1 is more HTC than SE where hardware is concerened, most probably SE dont even have licensce for WM(I maybe wrong here, no factual evidence for this and I'm not too well informed on the buisness side of things)

After the X1 is released, dont worry I wont say "I told you so!" that would be too immature on my part .

Posted by WhyBe
@aksd--Programmer's question: Wouldn't radically changing the WM interface (such as WM6.1 to WM7) break most of the legacy software? Or is that an issue with WM?

Posted by aksd
Changing from WM6.1 to WM7 would change the entire SDK, several apps that would work on WM6 would not work anymore. Some will but not all, the native i.e C/C++ apps will generally fail to work, the .NET based apps have a greater chance of working as they are executed over a Virtual Machine, these too might require a bit of code manipulation to work(These are just assumptions, no apps at all might work as well).

The jump from Wm6.1 to WM7 is not just a UI change but a complete underlying OS change, currently WM6 runs on Win CE 5.0 and WM7 is supposed to run on Win CE 6.0. It really depends on the extent of change from 5.0 to 6.0, but from what I hear there are quite a few changes. There was a similar change in the Symbian world from V8 to V9, apps were not backward compatible. The reason why Wm5 and 6 apps are interchangeable is because WM5 and WM6 use the same underlying OS(Win CE 5.0) and theres been hardly any change to the UI or the APIs(Application Programmer Interface).

Note: What I've mentioned above are just guesses and not based on solid fact.

[ This Message was edited by: aksd on 2008-05-16 14:50 ]

Posted by Peio
Very interesting discussion
The more I read about P5, the more I think X1 will be my next phone.

Do you think you can type on that keyboard like on a real computer one, or do you have to use your thumbs only? And same question with the nokia E90?
I like P1 keyboard and i'm afraid to be slower with a bigger keyboard for thumbs only.. Can anyone who uses P1 and tytn2/E90 make a comparison between the two types of keyboard?

When do you think we'll get infos about xperia interface?

(sorry for my english)

Posted by aksd
I own a TyTn II and I use to own an M600, used a P1i for a while as well.

The P1i, you need thumbs to use of course.
WIth the TyTn II you can type on it like a computer, although the keys are a bit cramped.

My typing was faster on the P1i but thats only because the TyTn II keypad does'nt respond instantaneously after 1 key press to the next, you need to give a fraction of a second delay between keypresses, not a very big issue though. Expect that to be fixed on the X1.

P1i keypad is nicer in a sense as you can use it on the go, partly one handedly if required.
TyTn II you need to use the touchscreen keypad if 1 handed is required.

I find the TyTn II keypad great if you're sitting at a table and if you have to type out something more lengthy, it just feels more comfortable for typing at long lengths, but if all you need it for is SMS and a few emails then the P1i has an extremely good keypad once you get used to it.

ANy other questions regarding the keypad you'd like answered?

INfo regarding the Xperia interface should be out when the first final protoypes are prepared and we get reviews from Mobile Review and GSM Arena .

Any more questions?

Posted by Peio
Thank you for the quick answer, I'm happy to hear that about horizontal keypads, well I'll just wait for the first previews

Posted by WhyBe

On 2008-05-16 18:19:00, Peio wrote:
Thank you for the quick answer, I'm happy to hear that about horizontal keypads, well I'll just wait for the first previews


There are already tons of previews on YouTube and various mobile phone sites.

Posted by Peio
I mean previews of the xperia interface, if we suppose it's more than the panels

Posted by WhyBe

On 2008-05-16 21:55:34, Peio wrote:
I mean previews of the xperia interface, if we suppose it's more than the panels


Among those videos is the Fish tank and in one of the previews, the camera software was demonstrated (somewhat buggy at the time though).

Posted by Peio
Thanks, I'll have a look, that's right I remember reading something with that fish changing color depending on profile/messages etc..

Posted by WhyBe
Here is the video I was refering to. You get a glimpse of the radio interface and camera. It's obvious is doing more than just providing panels on top of WM.

There is a lot of substantial info in the BengalBoy review also.

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-17 03:26 ]

Posted by aksd
You guys really dont get it do you?

Of course you can make finger friendly apps, most of the apps will be finger friendly thats taken for granted, most of the apps out there are already finger friendly from HTCs cam to their contact manager. BUT as soon as a dialog box opens its back to Windows tiny x to close or tiny ok button. If you need to close it you need to press the tiny "x". The bottom tabs are still small. There is still not support for gestures except for kinetic scrolling. Even if SE do not provide finger friendly apps there are several out there already. WHy is this so hard for you to understand?

Posted by WhyBe

On 2008-05-17 03:34:33, aksd wrote:
...BUT as soon as a dialog box opens its back to Windows tiny x to close or tiny ok button. If you need to close it you need to press the tiny "x". The bottom tabs are still small...


You can press the panels button to leave any program and enter another. Also, the task manager has a feature to automatically close 'X'ed programs [releases resources instead of staying resident] to maximize available memory.

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-17 15:38 ]

Posted by aksd
WOW! you really mean the "X" actually closes the program, "OH MY GOD! That is so wonderful" after a year of using WM and writing programs for WM this is the best news I've heard so far , btw have you seen the size of the x? Maybe you have ladylike fingers to actually be able to tap it, and I'm sure using the X1 only with default apps would be putting your money to good use, but its your money so its none of my buisness.

Regarding minimizing apps, thats an extrememly good idea, open like 20 apps, keep them minimized, should keep your phone performing very efficently, and if you're lukcy it'll double your battery life .

And regarding nobody announcing a phone like the X1, heard of the Samsung i900? Blows the X1 straight out of the water where current known specs are concerened .

Posted by WhyBe
My previous post already answered the issues you just brought up. I'll check out the Samsung...

OK the Samsung looks promising, but, no keyboard and no hi-res screen. It's as good as the Diamond!

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-17 15:25 ]

Posted by Osmano
Hi all!

This was on a norwegian site today. They says that two new Xperias discovered on youtube.....

http://www.amobil.no/artikler/to_nye_xperia_avslort_i_video/51872

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Posted by dr.W

On 2008-05-06 22:57:52, imranbashir wrote:
The diamond is not made to compete with the Xperia. Your forgetting that the Diamond will come out next month, the Xperia will not be out until at least September (according to current reports anyway) so they cannot compete against each other.

The iPod 3G will be announced soon that will compete against the Xperia, and I reckon (my view only) that HTC will announce the Touch Pro after the announcement of iPod 3G with a release date that is very close to the Xperia. The real competition for Xperia will be the HTC Touch Pro.

It’s all a game of chess, why reduce the sales potential of your new product by announcing a better version will be out only a few months later!



I'm sorry, you may be right that the Diamond is not meant to compete with the X1, but it has nothing to do with release dates. A phone can be made to compete with a phone that has already been released or will be released, are you saying that no one is trying to compete with the N95?

Also, HTC does not control when SE will release the X1, they are only manufacturing the X1 under contract. SE will determine all facets of the phone, from software and hardware to marketing and release dates. HTC separates the contract arm of their business from the R&D division that is responsible for developing phones under their own brand. If they did not, then no one would do business with them for fear of having their own designs "stolen." HTC may choose to delay, or accelerate, the launch of phones designed to compete with the X1, but that will be an internal decision and not based on any information from SE.

Finally, I don't think HTC views the Touch Pro as a "better" device than the Touch Diamond. They are aimed at different markets. The Touch Diamond is more of a consumer-oriented device, while the Touch Pro will be geared more toward power/enterprise users. Users who need a physical keyboard will not buy the Diamond and those who want a small/slim phone will not consider the Touch Pro. In other words, the Touch Pro will not cannibalize sales from the Diamond. The small set of people to whom both phones would appeal will probably end up buying both phones.

Posted by Humble
I hope the Xperia X1 dont suffer from poor bga soldering like the touch cruise!!!! i be still getting one regardless lol

Posted by imranbashir

@ dr.W,

I know it’s not solely dependent on release dates as both devices are targeted at different markets. However, you can’t deny that having a device on the market before the competition is an advantage.

I fully agree that HTC will have its R&D business separated from its manufacturing business. With HTC R&D receiving better rates (material + labour + lowest overhead cost) whereas SE would probably be paying (material at 10% premium + labour + storage + higher overhead cost). However, HTC will be fully aware when the X1 will be manufactured and how many units per month. The Touch Pro design process can be accelerated to match.

Personally, I was prepared to wait for the X1, as there was nothing on the market that offered me a significant step up from my XDA Orbit. Normally I wouldn’t go for a phone with a keyboard due to the thickness it adds, e.g. TyTn II. However the X1 managed to include the keyboard while still keeping its overall dimensions as small as the Orbit so I was happy to go for it, in fact I was looking forward to using a proper keyboard for a change.

If the X1 was already released, I would have bought it, and wouldn’t care about the diamond. However, as the diamond is going to be released before the X1 I will be buying that instead so the X1 is going to lose a customer as it’s late to the market. By the time the X1 hits the market with a good amount of stock, so its freely available, I will be 6 months through my contract, and looking for my next device, who knows maybe there will be a TyTn III by then based on the snapdragon chipset running WM7!


Posted by WhyBe
As of 5-16-08 X1 will have 256MB of SDRAM!

Check the new white paper!

Posted by Keiki
Thats a SUPER!

Posted by NightBlade

On 2008-05-21 14:48:22, WhyBe wrote:
As of 5-16-08 X1 will have 256MB of SDRAM!

Check the new white paper!

Wow, my old computer back from 2003 had that much RAM.

Posted by xell
Page 21 in the rev2 white paper, if anyone is searching for it.


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