Posted by norti
On 2008-05-07 00:25:35, imranbashir wrote:
I never said the phones were whipped together in a few weeks. What I said was they should announce the phone and release it within a few weeks like HTC or Apple.
[ This Message was edited by: imranbashir on 2008-05-06 23:28 ]
This is where SE always fails and doesn't learn: marketing. They can't develop a high-end phone silently in the background and present it when it is ready (this was the case with P990 in the past too). In the mid-range phones segment this seems to work already.
Posted by imranbashir
It’s very easy to tweak a design, dropping in a faster processor that’s pin compatible, larger flash prom device again pin compatible, mods like this are easy and cost no time in development.
Design times are not as long as you think, most are based on reference designs, so schematics are there, regulator circuits can be lifted from existing phones, flash memory is just bussed, none of this is very difficult and very easy to tweak in the early design stages of a phone.
Most phone design cycles are 12-18 months tops, with Xperia specs being announced 6 months or so before it’s released, any manufacturer could bring out a device that rivals it a short time after the Xperia is released.
Whether they will or not is a different matter, they might not want to target the uber high end market . HTC will have a further advantage of knowing the specs way before anyone else as they were the ODM / OEM.
Anyway this debate has gone way off course...
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-05-07 00:56:58, imranbashir wrote:
...Most phone design cycles are 12-18 months tops, with Xperia specs being announced 6 months or so before it’s released, any manufacturer could bring out a device that rivals it a short time after the Xperia is released.
So testing your theory...why hasn't anyone trumped the iPhone yet?
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-05-07 00:56:58, imranbashir wrote:
...Whether they will or not is a different matter, they might not want to target the uber high end market . HTC will have a further advantage of knowing the specs way before anyone else as they were the ODM / OEM.
Simply manufacturing a device for SE does not give HTC access to all the technologies and secrets of the X1. Patents and software/firmware are huge factors in giving one manufacturer an advantage over the other. HTC can't just simply "steal" SE's technology and implement it into their own design.
Posted by imranbashir
Hardware wise the iPhone was not that advanced, lacking even 3G! The only thing it bought at that was truly new was the software GUI.
Unfortunatly, software on WM devices are controlled by Microsoft, others have tried to allivate this problem TouchFLOW, PointUI, SPB mobile shell, etc..
Posted by imranbashir
Simply manufacturing a device for SE does not give HTC access to all the technologies and secrets of the X1. Patents and software/firmware are huge factors in giving one manufacturer an advantage over the other. HTC can't just simply "steal" SE's technology and implement it into their own design.
Exactly what do you think that Xperia has that is unique and patented that HTC would want to ‘steal’ but can’t.
Everything the Xperia has apart from panels has been tried and tested in someway on a WM device before.
Don’t start mentioning Arc sliding etc, as that is purely aesthetic, not clever electronics.
[ This Message was edited by: imranbashir on 2008-05-07 00:29 ]
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-05-07 01:22:01, imranbashir wrote:
Hardware wise the iPhone was not that advanced, lacking even 3G! The only thing it bought at that was truly new was the software GUI.
That's a great testament to Apple. The iPhone was behind the tech curve but still won out by software design and great marketing.
SE's main selling point of X1 is the premium "user experience." This tells me that SE (like every other manufacturer) learned something from iPhone's GUI design. I hope the X1 GUI is something as well designed as iPhones. Since the iPhone, all smartphones are going to survive or fail on the GUI.
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-05-07 01:28:21, imranbashir wrote:
Exactly what do you think that Xperia has that is unique and patented that HTC would want to ‘steal’ but can’t.
I'm sure there are tons of patents up under the hood of the X1 that HTC can't touch.
Besides sex appeal, HTC probably can't duplicate the COMBINATION of X1's:
A. Price point
B. Performance
C. Size
D. Hardware features
E. Battery life
F. GUI design
G Durability
H. Manufacturing cost feasibility
[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-07 00:58 ]
Posted by BobaFett
patents arent impostant in asia, they steal and copy everything, that an apart of the traditions there, sadly...
just look at the many chinses copycats, do u think its different in taiwan? dont think so...
so it doesnt matter what se patented, they ll steal and copy it anyway
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-05-07 02:21:33, BobaFett wrote:
patents arent impostant in asia, they steal and copy everything, that an apart of the traditions there, sadly...
just look at the many chinses copycats, do u think its different in taiwan? dont think so...
so it doesnt matter what se patented, they ll steal and copy it anyway
That's what lawyers and courts are for
Posted by BobaFett
me seems they arent very succesful in asia... especially i china and co
do u really think and se would / could have a chance against htc? dont think so.
donnow who is responseable for the design at xperia, was it se or htc, but i think se wont do any steps against htc, cos of the design ( diamond ) se needs htc, but for htc se isnt that important
Posted by WhyBe
What's HTC's market share around the world as opposed to SE's. I'm not aware of the numbers.
Posted by BobaFett
donnow either, have to check it, but htc is that big like se, so with less cost they can do more money, according the less workers and less costs imo
anyway, we ll see if xperia will offer sg really new on the market or the advantage is that it will serve uiq and wm fans aswell
Posted by WhyBe
I think X1 is intended for SE to break into the US WinMo market. WM is the top smartphone OS in the US.
Posted by BobaFett
thats right, but u think that this will be the chance for uiq to get more "fame" ? i can hardly imagine, that wm fans go for the xperia, cos of the huge lack of support. look at wm, tons of apps. also the design is nothing new actaully next to tytn etc small different marks, but that all
Posted by WhyBe
UIQ???
The X1 is WinMo 6.1
The p5i will be UIQ.
Posted by BobaFett
sorry, my fault, mixed it...
anyway, why would be an se wm better then a htc for example? i can see rarely any se smartfones around me
Posted by @ftyk
@imranbashir,
i too see nothing unique about the x1 & it will end up being just another windows mobile gadget.
all the hype around se's products is predominantly only here on esato & not so much on other forums or elsewhere on the web.
the need of the hour is a camera free smart/pda phone. there are numerous people in various discussions/forums enquiring about a camera free windows mobile phone/symbian smartphone.
the imate jaq inspite of it's flaws is a total sell out.
inspite of being officially discontinued nokia is still churning out 9300s & that is because there is a demand & it is still selling for $ 300.
camera free blackberrys are still doing better business than the htcs with 2 mega pixel cameras.
if se wants to do some serious smartphone selling they have to drop the freaking camera asap.
there is also a rumour of a camera free version of the e90 to be expected soon.
@whybe,
sex appeal?
Posted by BobaFett
just to be fair ( even i agree according the se hype ) esato is still the only forum, which is dedicated for 1 brand, NO other brand has the same community, like this.
BUT all this started here with
once, so the fortune of se is, that the "e" apart of the brand had a huge fan club already in the past... 
sorry for off topic
Posted by imranbashir
Can we try and get a few things clear. By designing the Xperia exactly what input do people think SonyEricsson had?
The GSM module sections would just be lifted from existing designs either HTC or SE that includes the circuit capture and PCB tracking, the Qualcomm chipset comes with recommended schematics and PCB tracking rules (reference designs), HTC have made many phones incorporating there chipsets so are well aware of the designs rules, and this would have been reused. Things like PCB stack, layout of components would have all been lifted from existing designs, probably HTC’s as they have proven designs that work.
The optical joystick is just a track pad, also done before by HTC. The screen driver is again common; it’s just a DC-DC step up regulator and a few buffers out of the Qualcomm processor.
It is very unlikely that SonyEricsson would have done all the schematic capture themselves and then tracked the PCB themselves, just giving HTC Gerber (manufacturing information) data to go out and get a PCB manufactured and assembled.
The whole electrical design would have been done by HTC, however SonyEricsson, would have done most if not all the mechanical design, the styling, chassis, keyboard, materials used, etc...
With regards to cost, HTC would have procured all the items on behalf of SonyEricsson, it is quite normal for the assembly house to charge 10% mark-up on all purchases to cover admin costs and increase their profit. The advantage to SonyEricsson is that it would not need to hold any physical stock of components, which have to be stored under very tightly controlled conditions.
My opinion: -
HTC did all the electrical design work, with only top level decisions made by SonyEricsson. i.e how much memory, screen size, resolution, processor speed, etc...
SonyEricsson did all the mechanical and styling design work with HTC having limited input, i.e, location of connects, slots etc to aid manufacturing / routing of PCB.
[ This Message was edited by: imranbashir on 2008-05-07 09:26 ]
Posted by @ftyk
@bobafett,
so the phenomenal success of sony ericsson is all thanks to the swedes & the japs have nothing to do with it?
i don't know much of the sony - ericsson merger but if ericsson was doing so good by itself why tie up with sony?
what i had heard was that ericsson was a sinking ship that sony had to rescue?
as much as you are an ericsson fan, i am of sony.
Posted by WhyBe
@imranbashir
You oversimplify a phone design process. It is far more complex than writing some specs then ordering someone to make it. You seem to be insinuating that Sony doesn't know how to make electronic devices
. Didn't SE build and design the first high-end smartphone...the p800? And the CliE's before that? A hallmark of Sony design is to pack a ton of features into a very small and sexy form-factor. HTC can't even do that!!!
Dell doesn't make hard drives. Lenovo doesn't make TFT screens. Apple doesn't make the MultiTouch screen of the iPhone. Outsourcing different aspects of a product doesn't mean the product is not made by SE. Ultimately, the owner of the patents and intellectual property is the designer of the product.
@ftyk
Sex appeal
is just a figure of speech denoting the attractiveness of a product. A product that is desirable and just feels well designed. The iPhone has demonstrated it's sex appeal. The early SE pSeries had sex appeal. That NVIDIA GUI prototype on infosyncworld has much sex appeal.[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-07 14:12 ]
Posted by imranbashir
These days it is simple to design a phone, all chipsets come with reference designs, GSM modules are generic, memory is just bussed. There is very little variation. For your information HTC have been at the forefront of innovation on WM devices. Your comment is blatantly incorrect.
Digital electronics is not difficult at all, open up a modern phone and look at the PCB, there are not many discrete components at all; they have all been integrated into the silicon of the chipsets. Everything else is bussed or uses a common IO standard.
I’m not implying that SonyEricsson do not know how to make electronic devices. What I am saying is that they have no previous experience of WM devices, and HTC has plenty. It would not make sense for SE to invest in the R&D of designing new architecture it’s a huge risk, why not get someone who has done it before, and have a NDA agreement that does not allow HTC to copy certain aspects of the design.
SonyEricsson would be using a tried and tested design process such as SixSigma in which SonyEricsson would be involved at key stage reviews (six of them) but not get bogged down into the detail of the device.
I’m not a brand lover and have no invested interest in HTC, indeed I didn’t know much about them until I bought the O2 Orbit. I also am not loyal to SonyEricsson, I have had many Ericsson and SonyEricsson phones over the years, and my first phone was an Ericsson GA318 then the Ericsson PF768.
There is not one aspect of the Xperia that you can call unique and worthy of a patent. That doesn’t stop it being a damn fine package though, and hence my interest in buying this device. SE have sat down and thought of everything that you could possibly want in a device and hopefully will deliver it. The only sticking point will be compatibility with existing software that isn’t WVGA aware. I hope this problem doesn’t raise its ugly head.
I see no point in moving this discussion further forward, you are entitled to your views, and me my own. What I will say as a final comment is that SE have probably lost a potential customer in me by announcing the device to early, in the design stage. I would have waited (well I might still wait depending on the out come of some reviews) but the diamond is out next month, its cheaper, and pretty much covers everything that I need a device for. I might be back on the Xperia six months down the line, if all goes well for the device, I wish its birth good luck and will keep an eye on the developments.
Posted by QVGA
On 2008-05-07 06:41:30, BobaFett wrote:
just to be fair ( even i agree according the se hype ) esato is still the only forum, which is dedicated for 1 brand, NO other brand has the same community, like this.
BUT all this started here with
once, so the fortune of se is, that the "e" apart of the brand had a huge fan club already in the past...
sorry for off topic
I thought that 'e' part went bankrupt? Atleast the mobile division of it. And the mobile divisions go bankrupt when no one buys the mobiles, am i right?
Posted by Dups!
@QVGA
No, Ericsson's mobile division went bankrupt as a result of the fire in the Philips factory where both Ericsson and Nokia outsourced mobile chips from. Nokia made a decision to outsource elsewhewre while Ericsson waited for Philips to recover from the fire. As a matter of fact, Philips promised both Ericsson and Nokia that they would be operational in two weeks and Ericsson held on to that promise. It unfortunately took more than two weeks and Nokia continued with their business as they were getting their chips elsewhwere. By that time Ericsson had lost the competitive edge because they couldn't produce new products to compete and their competitors were progressing. That's when they decided to close shop.
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-05-07 16:17:52, imranbashir wrote:
These days it is simple to design a phone, all chipsets come with reference designs, GSM modules are generic, memory is just bussed. There is very little variation. For your information HTC have been at the forefront of innovation on WM devices. Your comment is blatantly incorrect.
Digital electronics is not difficult at all, open up a modern phone and look at the PCB, there are not many discrete components at all; they have all been integrated into the silicon of the chipsets. Everything else is bussed or uses a common IO standard.
And once again, I beg the question to anyone, Why hasn't any other company annouced or released a phone equal to or better than the X1 ? After all, it is sooo easy
[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-07 17:22 ]
Posted by Dogmann
@Whybe
Sorry but SE haven't released it yet either have they? and if the rumors in this thread prove correct they won't be releasing it as specified either will they?
Please tell me just what you feel make this device so superior to all others then and special? As it isn't IMO it's Multimedia ability as that is mainly 3gpp and only 15fps VGA in h.264 and no h.264 in the US at all.
So just what it is that you feel is so special then? and September is still quite some time away so no one can be sure just what may be announced or released by then.
The new UIQ.3.3 devices are meant to be announced this month and with shorter delays to market. So if as speculated they deliver faster chips and top end Multimedia they may well indeed be better than the X1 anyway but for now no one knows for sure or not that can say so.
I really don't see why or how you can believe the X1 is so brilliant until it is released and we all see exactly what it manages to deliver. This is not bashing the X1 it's just being realistic and not building it up or judging it until it is available and being sold.
Marc
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Posted by aksd
On 2008-05-07 18:20:37, WhyBe wrote:
On 2008-05-07 16:17:52, imranbashir wrote:
These days it is simple to design a phone, all chipsets come with reference designs, GSM modules are generic, memory is just bussed. There is very little variation. For your information HTC have been at the forefront of innovation on WM devices. Your comment is blatantly incorrect.
Digital electronics is not difficult at all, open up a modern phone and look at the PCB, there are not many discrete components at all; they have all been integrated into the silicon of the chipsets. Everything else is bussed or uses a common IO standard.
And once again, I beg the question to anyone, Why hasn't any other company annouced or released a phone equal to or better than the X1 ? After all, it is sooo easy
[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-07 17:22 ]
What are you talking about? I can give you a list of phone equivalent to the X1 or better.
Lets start with the new Diamond, which is on the same level with the X1, the .2in screen with the small increase in resolution is definately not enough to beat the diamond which is slimmer, better looking and more RAM.
The the Eten V900:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1080
even better because of DVBH and DVBT
The Gigabyte MS808
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1128
with a kick ass processor, the new Marvel PXA310.
If the keyboard is an issue, we'll thats a niche market but you've got
Toshiba G920 and the G910:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=999&view=1
The iMate Ultimate 9502
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=909
Its got video out as well
Looking at phones with a lesser Mpx but better specs for a business user
THe imate 8150/6150
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=719
Theyve got TV out, graphics support from the Nvidia GPU, USB Host, a decent 2Mpx snapper.
and IMO the N95 and the E90 out guns any of the above mentioned phone if the overall package is considered. Not that I like either of them, but in pure performance none of teh above models including the X1 is as complete as the E90 and the N95.
And this is just the start of the year, wait for the Dream and the Raphael and god know what else is in store from the other WM manufacturers
EDIT: Well said Marc
[ This Message was edited by: aksd on 2008-05-07 17:35 ]
Posted by Mige
pics of x1?
Posted by Dups!
People should move away from this idea that the X1 is this mighty device that outguns every other. What it has, with the exception of HSUPA and the Xperia panels, has been implemented before. I like the phone and probably going to get it, but it is just another WM phone and nothing special.
I don't know if I can say I agree with the statement that the E90 outguns it though, to me they are similar but with different operating systems. The one area where the E90 "wins" is that it is older than the X1 yet it posseses the same features and it is quite stable. Makes you wonder what the successor to the E90 would pack.
So, all in all, SE is still playing catch up.
Posted by imranbashir
And once again, I beg the question to anyone, Why hasn't any other company annouced or released a phone equal to or better than the X1 ? After all, it is sooo easy
Because there is no need to as the Xperia has not been released yet. September is a lifetime away!
Posted by NightBlade
On 2008-05-07 18:57:07, imranbashir wrote:
And once again, I beg the question to anyone, Why hasn't any other company annouced or released a phone equal to or better than the X1 ? After all, it is sooo easy
Because there is no need to as the Xperia has not been released yet. September is a lifetime away!
Since when is 4 months a "lifetime"?
Posted by norti
On 2008-05-07 18:57:07, imranbashir wrote:
Because there is no need to as the Xperia has not been released yet. September is a lifetime away!
Summer flies so fast away...
BTW: I don't agree with the hype too, but I will buy the X1 not for the panel interface and not for other sliding windows or any other shiny things. I need to replace my 4 year old Mio558 (QVGA) PDA and my really slow M600i UIQ3 smartphone with a powerful WM device, that has qwerty keyboard. So simple. And X1 has the power for these in a small size (a little taller and thicker than my M600, but that's it, it is really small)
And yes, I have good eyes for a small screen xD
Posted by Dogmann
@fytk
As it happened Ericsson manufactured the most advanced technology in their devices and they also had great build quality and reliability. For instance the the microphone and speaker where sourced from B&O which is why sonically they were always the best. However there designs were very reserved and understated and their marketing was lacking.
On the other side you had Sony whose Marketing and design flare was excellent but whose quality was lacking. So it looked like a marriage made in heaven to form a JV and for while it was very successful as witnessed by SE's market share and growth. But in this initial period they were still feeding off Ericsson R & D and the products this brought. Once this dried up is where IMO the problems started and up to now continue, this is why many of us long for the good old Ericsson days and Ericsson is one of the oldest names in Telecommunications it has been going for hundreds of years and only in telecoms. It still has a strong Network business that brings the latest tech to the market even today.
@EMSO6
There is one area that the E90 is superior to the yet released X1 and that is in Video recording and playback. In fact it is one of the things that the E90 is without an equal in as although the N95 and a few others equal it they don't have 4" 800 x 352 screens nor do any other devices.
Marc
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Posted by aksd
We'll I still doubt the capabilities of the X1 processor, especially the 7501A processor, although its about 200Mhz faster than the X1 processor it is yet to be seen if it is superior. If the OMAP 2420 end up the winner then the X1 is out gunned
. But the X1 is smaller and more pocketable which is important for a cellphone , so ................
Yes I know they're on different operating systems, we had a huge debate regarding this on page 70 or so. I personally prefer WM. And performance of the hardware will vary because of the different Operating Systems, to compare them in a real worl situation we would just have to wait for its release
On 2008-05-07 19:00:08, NightBlade wrote:
On 2008-05-07 18:57:07, imranbashir wrote:
And once again, I beg the question to anyone, Why hasn't any other company annouced or released a phone equal to or better than the X1 ? After all, it is sooo easy
Because there is no need to as the Xperia has not been released yet. September is a lifetime away!
Since when is 4 months a "lifetime"?
In the tech world
, some products are out dated even before they release, eg: ermm... X1? , but that does'nt mean I wont consider getting it, depending on the next HTC announcement.
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Posted by Dups!
@Dogmann
I'm trying to understand your point. As far as I know and based on the specs sheet of the "two" versions of the X1 one records at 30fps (Europe) at Vga and the other at 15fps (Americas). So, what are you saying is it that is different with the E90?
Posted by @ftyk
@dogmann,
is this sony + ericsson merger for good or is it for a specified period of time? can both companies go back to being solo companies again?
@nightblade,
the rate at which phones are being announced & launched in today's cellular world 4 months can be a lifetime.
the x1 might just end up being another p990i or worse.
let's not forget that the x1 is se's 1st step in unfamiliar territory, in this case windows mobile.
with the e51 nokia has replaced the symbian swirl key with a windows mobile like home key. this could be an indication that nokia might be planning on a windows mobile phone which just might hit the shelves before madame xperia goes into labour.
Posted by hgautam
X1 DELAYED!!!
Latest from Mobile-Review:
"Right now there is an interesting situation unfolding around the Sony Ericsson XPERIA X1. While SE is experiencing some difficulties with software for this device and cancelling all previously scheduled release dates, HTC rolls out its latest and greatest Diamond, sporting a pretty much identical feature set in the sense of both hardware and software (while the TouchFLO 3D and the X1’s UI aren’t really twins, they seem somewhat resembling)."
Link: http://www.mobile-review.com/[....]htc-touch-diamond-fpr-en.shtml
Posted by norti
Delayed from when? Delayed to when? We don't even know the release date for the X1 yet xD There is the "second half" announce from SE (that was in February) and the 'leaked' Handango mid-september. I think: when it is ready.
There is too much hype and expectation around the X1.
Posted by Yakkaimono
First the news about the OS and now this I'm loosing my hope in X1.
Posted by hgautam
@norti
You can check my previous post some pages back about when X1 was scheduled to release... First time I got the confirmation from SE Executives back in March about the X1 being released in Sept 2008...
Frankly speaking, having used X1, there was no doubt that it would not be able to make it till sept as SE past till now has not been good with handing the software optimisation and bug fixes... They now take years to make their UI usable and stable...
Posted by Dogmann
Hi EMOS6
As taken form the X1 white paper the X1 offers
MPEG4:30fps@VGA*
H263:30fps @ VGA*
H264:15fps@VGA*
*US Models support MPEG4 H.263 24fps encoding@QVGA only and not H.264
Which means it is only @ 30fps VGA in 3gpp which is an inferior codes to H.264
Compare this with the E90 that gives 30fps VGA MPEG4 H.264 at up to 640 x 480 for both recording and playback.
That is why i say the E90 is more powerful and supports better codecs for both watching and recording Video and is proven with the OMAP2420 processor and PowerVR MBX graphics chip.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-05-07 20:41 ]
Posted by norti
On 2008-05-07 21:20:40, hgautam wrote:
@norti
You can check my previous post some pages back about when X1 was scheduled to release... First time I got the confirmation from SE Executives back in March about the X1 being released in Sept 2008...
Frankly speaking, having used X1, there was no doubt that it would not be able to make it till sept as SE past till now has not been good with handing the software optimisation and bug fixes... They now take years to make their UI usable and stable...
Like the delays with P990...
I can't understand one thing: how came HTC to have the correct working video drivers for the same platform suddenly if SE has problems with the optimization (using HTC's debug/develop tools)?
Posted by hgautam
^^
Because for X1 it's SE handling the software department
[ This Message was edited by: hgautam on 2008-05-07 21:19 ]
Posted by gh05t
On 2008-05-07 21:08:03, Yakkaimono wrote:
First the news about the OS and now this I'm loosing my hope in X1.
What news about the OS?
Posted by Dups!
On 2008-05-07 21:39:17, Dogmann wrote:
Hi EMOS6
As taken form the X1 white paper the X1 offers
MPEG4:30fps@VGA*
H263:30fps @ VGA*
H264:15fps@VGA*
*US Models support MPEG4 H.263 24fps encoding@QVGA only and not H.264
Which means it is only @ 30fps VGA in 3gpp which is an inferior codes to H.264
Compare this with the E90 that gives 30fps VGA MPEG4 H.264 at up to 640 x 480 for both recording and playback.
That is why i say the E90 is more powerful and supports better codecs for both watching and recording Video and is proven with the OMAP2420 processor and PowerVR MBX graphics chip.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-05-07 20:41 ]
Aaah, somehow I missed that it is H 263, worse still I didn't even notice it was at QVGA. I get you now.
Posted by WhyBe
Why the video restrictions on the U.S. model?
[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-07 22:49 ]
Posted by BobaFett
delay is usually at se..
Posted by aksd
On 2008-05-07 22:41:10, WhyBe wrote:
Why the video restrictions on the U.S. model?
[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-07 22:49 ]
Because of the lawsuit with Broadcomm which had something to do with Video compression.
Posted by Mige
I
X1