Posted by aksd
@Marc
We did'nt say it will happen now did we, we said it can happen, and I said thats how I'd go about doing it. You basically did'nt tell me that the app could'nt be autorun now did you(although knowing the devs this will be possible in a while)? I am not telepathic to read your mind. I dont follow symbian hacking closely and built my assumptions on what information you provided. And questioning our intellgience, how very droll. At least we know what we're talking about. And I do pride myself as a programmer, modder on previous SE phones, Linux and WM.
On another note I wonder why you enjoy disrupting our discussion by bringing in SYmbian into every post of yours in the last few pages, this post went back on track only the be side tracked by you again. Now we would appreciate it if you let us get on with our thread and if you would like to further our Symbain discussion we can do it via PM or a different thread or email. Thank you.
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Posted by JAGUY85
Did anyone post this? Apart from Beyonce, the Xperia X1 is featured on Jack Magazine:
Posted by BobaFett
Confirmed: Sony Ericsson XPERIA X1 Powered by Windows Mobile 6.1
http://www.slashphone.com/con[....]ered-by-windows-mobile-61-0150
Posted by WhyBe
Is there any info on the "premium user experience" that X1 is supposed to deliver? I mean, hardware superiority doesn't mean anything if it isn't brought together with a great user interface. After all, the UI is what sets iPhone apart from the competition, not it's hardware.
I'm wondering if the nifty user interface of the X1 goes any deeper than the 9 panels we have seen thus far. What about the standard Sony apps like calendar, notes, music/video player, clock, etc? Do they also posses the "Xperia niftiness" or will they be standard WM programs. I know it is WM6.1 underneath it all, but that doesn't mean that the "Sony layer/shell" won't be as slick as the panel screen...will it?
I'm hoping the SE delivers something on par with the iPhone user experience while maintaining the power afforded by WM.
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Posted by jcwhite_uk
Official SE X1 Press release:
Sony Ericsson brings new level of personalization to the mobile phone with the XPERIA™ X1
01 April 2008
Sony Ericsson to put the user at the center of the mobile multimedia experience with its XPERIA™ range of phones
Las Vegas, USA – 1st April 2008 – Sony Ericsson today confirmed that it will be running Windows Mobile® 6.1 on its stand-out arc-slider phone, XPERIA™ X1, the innovative multimedia phone announced at this year’s Mobile World Congress. Using Windows Mobile® 6.1, together with Sony Ericsson’s unique XPERIA™ panel user interface (UI), will enable a highly user-focused experience with enhanced connectivity, messaging and multimedia features.
As the mobile broadband comes of age, consumers are waking up to the vast array of multimedia services and content they can access on the move through their mobile phone. The XPERIA™ X1 from Sony Ericsson enables consumers to personalise their experiences through a distinctive touch screen, panel-based UI creating an interface which is uniquely relevant to them and how they live their lives. This continually active desktop allows users to organise the phone’s active dashboard as they want, changing between panels just like they change their mood, activity and information needs in the course of every day.
“No two individuals have the same tastes and desires. Sony Ericsson’s XPERIA™ X1 has been developed to ensure that mobile web communication and multimedia entertainment can be tailored, putting the individual at the heart of the mobile experience in a uniquely personal way,” said Rikko Sakaguchi, Head of Portfolio and Propositions, Sony Ericsson.
Operators will also be able to custom build the touch panels that run on the XPERIA™ X1 to provide the consumer with a rich, aggregated offering of their applications and services. In addition, Sony Ericsson also plans to align with key partners around the panel technology to enable them to develop exciting applications that can be enjoyed by users on the XPERIA™ X1.
Visit the Sony Ericsson booth (Central Hall C3 Booth #1627) a CTIA in Las Vegas between April 1 – 3to hear more about the unique personalization and customization capabilities of the XPERIA™ X1.
The Sony Ericsson XPERIA™ brand of multimedia mobile phones will bring a totally new user experience to the mobile phone market, putting the consumer at the heart of their experience and allowing the individual to create a touch panel dashboard that is unique to them and how they live their life.
Posted by WhyBe
^^^ OK, all of this is obvious and well documented.
What I'm still wondering is the specifics of the Xperia user experience. Will it be intuitive or geeked-out. Can I record a phone conversation? Will I be able to quickly write notes during a phonecall? If I am in the middle of an app and the phone rings, will the X1 switch elegantly or just snatch me out of the app? Is it designed for finger's or do some of the buttons require the stylus? Is the speaker/earpiece loud enough? These are some of the nice touches I hope are addressed in the X1.
I still use my p910a so some of these issues may have been addressed in the p990 or p1.
Posted by BobaFett
the fone isnt out yet, there are maybe some protos at se... u should wait some monthes with your questions...
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-04-02 02:26:05, BobaFett wrote:
the fone isnt out yet, there are maybe some protos at se... u should wait some monthes with your questions...
Yeah, I suppose so.
Just thought someone had some inside info. There is a lot of discussion of the hardware in this thread but not the actual phone operation/UI.
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Posted by nk126
Got a hands-on demo of X1 at CTIA tonight. Still non-finished software, but further along than I'd seen before. Here's the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvGofpi5DEs
Check PhoneDog.com on Thursday for my mini-review/thoughts on the demo and getting the X1 in hand.
Posted by bavlondon2
Fantastic video!!! Really like the fishes thing they have done - a very creative way of conveying information to you. I thought at first it was just a rip of from LG but kudos SE!!!!
I also really like the way images scroll as you enter the gallery.
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Posted by tonyitalian
how did u watch the video??
youtube says its a private video????
Posted by anonymuser
Not impressed to see the same kind of screen lag that many are complaining about with their HTC Tytn II's (especially when the keyboard opens and closes). I'm quite used to it on my kaiser, which isn't as bad as some, but I'd expect a lot better from my next phone.
Don't think I'll go near this until it's released and properly tested in the real world.
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Posted by Muhammad-Oli
The video is working now.
Wow the camera is cool, its similar to the G900's which is really awesome! That video alone made me very tempted by the X1. It just looks so amazing!
Here's a bit of news that may not be news: Remember when the Windows logo was taken off the button on the official X1 pictures recently and nobody really knew why? Well it's back now which only adds to the confusion over why it was removed! See for yourself:
http://www.sonyericsson.com/c[....]1202654315/X1_Front%20Open.jpg
Posted by bavlondon2
On 2008-04-02 10:28:20, Boinng wrote:
Not impressed to see the same kind of screen lag that many are complaining about with their HTC Tytn II's (especially when the keyboard opens and closes). I'm quite used to it on my kaiser, which isn't as bad as some, but I'd expect a lot better from my next phone.
Don't think I'll go near this until it's released and properly tested in the real world.
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They said its pre production fw so thats probabaly why its slow.
Posted by anonymuser
On 2008-04-02 13:54:07, bavlondon2 wrote:
They said its pre production fw so thats probabaly why its slow.
Quite possibly, but I wouldn't take it for granted.
Posted by bavlondon2
HTC devices are not even that slow generally. However if X1 does turn out to be that slow when its released then im guessing there will be some unhappy people out there.
Posted by deuxani
Wow! The slowness of the phone really disappointed me. And yeah, even though it's a pre-production model, it shouldn't be THAT slow. It almost seems unusable. I can't imagine that they can magically transform this phone into a normal (or high) speed phone without any lag, seeing from where they need to come. I think the (very) high resolution screen might be the problem here (in combination with slow Windows Mobile performance like always). I really hope they sort it out, because this device has great potential (business and multimedia in one).
Posted by TeenInvader
can network operators brand windows mobile firmware . . .
i hope not . . .
Posted by Dogmann
Hi all,
I think it may be considered rich to call me an SE die hard fan but i must say that it is starting to look like one hell of a device, it most certainly is early Firmware that is obvious especially as it still has the best part of 5-6 months to be finalized.
What it looks like will be possible to achieve with the 9 panels has shown me far more potential than was originally explained. Add to that what WM6.1 looks like it will deliver and this could well be with the fast processor giving a fast UI and a stable firmware a truly great device.
As at last and long overdue IMO SE are about to give us a device with bang up to date spec's if not even slightly future proof, as long as they deliver it does indeed look like a device many of will buy, hell even me. Now we just need a UIQ version.
Marc
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Posted by Mizzle
Dogmann.... Are you ok?
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Posted by Muhammad-Oli
While it seems quite an unusual Dogmann comment, I can agree with him 100%. It really is starting to look like a phone worth having. A week ago you could have asked me if I wanted the X1, and I would have said no. After that video though, wow, I want it more than any other phone!
Posted by BobaFett
interesting. i like the huge screen and wm os.
Posted by max_wedge
Yes this phone is looking better and better. It seems the panels thing goes a bit deeper than just a today screen replacement.
Posted by BobaFett
se uiq will need far better support then for this, otherwise its useless.
Posted by max_wedge
Yes, it would be ironic if dogmann was drawn back to SE by a WM phone
One can only hope SE sort out their UIQ woes within the next year or 2 at the most, otherwise they might just have to drop UIQ for WM
Posted by Dogmann
Hi Max
It would indeed be, but just like everyone else i am waiting to see what they do with their next UIQ Device, but an early adopter of any of them i won't be. Plus i will need to see just what else is available at the time i am just as interested in the 3G/HSDPA, Wifi BB 9000 due around August but the more choice the better my options are.
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Posted by max_wedge
On 2008-04-03 01:30:59, Dogmann wrote:
Hi Max
It would indeed be, but just like everyone else i am waiting to see what they do with their next UIQ Device, but an early adopter of any of them i won't be. Plus i will need to see just what else is available at the time i am just as interested in the 3G/HSDPA, Wifi BB 9000 due around August but the more choice the better my options are.
Marc
I hear ya mate, I won't be jumping in early either.
Actually I'm also pretty keen to see what the P5 has to offer. I am hoping SE UIQ supports HSDPA for the P5. If P5 is an allrounder like an N95 with touchscreen (but with SE UI and design styling) then I'll be happy. I don't expect to see video out but one can always hope.
Posted by bavlondon2
From the looks of Paris so far id say X1 looks like the better choice. Based on looks alone though.
Posted by max_wedge
I agree, but I'm hoping it's just a really bad photograph and that it looks a lot better in flesh. I thought X1 was boring untill I got a better look at it.
Posted by DarkKrypt
On 2008-04-02 09:49:43, nk126 wrote:
Got a hands-on demo of X1 at CTIA tonight. Still non-finished software, but further along than I'd seen before. Here's the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvGofpi5DEs
Check PhoneDog.com on Thursday for my mini-review/thoughts on the demo and getting the X1 in hand.
awesome video im feeling the same with alot of people comments makes me want it too
and best quote taken from the tube clip above is
rite now ill trade you straight up
flicks out the iphone LOL
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Posted by Muhammad-Oli
On 2008-04-03 14:09:19, DarkKrypt wrote:
awesome video im feeling the same with alot of people comments makes me want it too
and best quote taken from the tube clip above is
rite now ill trade you straight up
flicks out the iphone LOL
Ah so it was an iPhone! I couldn't tell properly (didn't look too close). I bet the SE woman (who seemed really clued up btw!) was like "oh god" inside!
Posted by DarkKrypt
On 2008-04-03 14:13:49, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
On 2008-04-03 14:09:19, DarkKrypt wrote:
awesome video im feeling the same with alot of people comments makes me want it too
and best quote taken from the tube clip above is
rite now ill trade you straight up
flicks out the iphone LOL
Ah so it was an iPhone! I couldn't tell properly (didn't look too close). I bet the SE woman (who seemed really clued up btw!) was like "oh god" inside!
indeed and after her saying "oh god" deep down inside she was probably like .."can it send me an mp3 ringtone,no!" LOL i always give my friends shit about not being able to send songs via bt with their iphone(two mates have it)
@Muhammad-Oli
viva to that mate:D
edit: that reminds me the two mates that have the iphone..they realy like the c902 and g900 and cant wait for them to arrive..
ive been converting heaps of people over to sony ericsson approx 25 people now:D lol
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Posted by Tsepz_GP
I watched the video of the X1 yesterday on YouTube,and WOW!! What a beautiful device, i was also shocked at the lag though, i like how it is written XPERIA in the Today Screen,realy hope they fix the lagging, the HTC TyTN i had for a few days was faster than that at changing from portrait to Landscape.
This is one device thats going to be WAY out of my budget so il just be looking to just have a quick play on it.
Posted by aksd
I not too impressed by the X1. It looks identical to the performance of the TyTn2. I for one will wait till the benchmarks are out before considering this device.
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Posted by nk126
Glad y'all liked the vid. The SE rep who demo'd it was awesome. Super pro - did a great job. Got some more time with the phone at an SE briefing. Keyboard is nice. Buttons maybe a tiny bit smaller than I'd like, but only just a little ... well spaced ... offset like a real keyboard (not in a straight grid like some HTC smartphones). Buttons are metal and have a beveled surface, so there's a raised edge on each key which helps tactile feedback. The device is heavy - has that "luxurious heft" to it. Almost too heavy, but not really - it more feels like a Mercedes Benz instead of a Honda, if you know what I mean. Solid, heavy, luxury. Was told it's coming out in the US before anywhere else. Also won't be another Xperia-branded device anytime soon but it is a brand, and not just one phone, as SE has said all along.
Posted by aksd
http://www.wmexperts.com/revi[....]w_first_impressions_of_th.html
This makes for an interesting read.
Posted by >500
why are people shocked by lag?
you do realise they are '''protos''', and the phone isnt being released for another 5 months or so. Yes, there may be lag when its released, though i highly doubt it will be like it is now.....
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
I find it funny in the link above how they say its aimed at the US market, so all the Americans reading th article ask for CDMA! Don't they know CDMA is widely considered to be backward technology and that the rest of the world is going or has gone GSM? Do they not know that SE gave up on CDMA several years ago?
Posted by aksd
On 2008-04-04 07:09:10, >500 wrote:
why are people shocked by lag?
you do realise they are '''protos''', and the phone isnt being released for another 5 months or so. Yes, there may be lag when its released, though i highly doubt it will be like it is now.....
People are shocked by "lag" as they've seen that the TyTn2 had the "lag" even after release which is irritating and not what you expect from a 400 pound device. They're scared the same thing "might" happen with the X1.
Time is not an issue about implementing the drivers, its about paying qualcomm for the use of the 3D hardware. IMO they should have already implemented it. The last few months before launch in the development cycle is all about optimization and region testing. Very rarely are new features added last minute. So we pray that the "lag" is not due to missing drivers but a problem with optimization.
Posted by >500
ah, tytn II, x1, different phones..........
its a proto. your dissapointed with a proto
really, just wait until the phone is actually out to see if its laggy or not!
Posted by aksd
TyTn2 & X1 share a similar processor(both are by Qualcomm, one is MSM7200 the other is MSM7200A which is 128Mhz faster but the lag is not dpendant on the speed but the implementation of 3D acceleratiron, all this has been covered earlier in this post severaltimes), both are made by HTC. If you understand that much you'd understand why its disappointing. The issue maybe resolved at launch we will have to wait and see.
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
@aksd: From your link:
They took care to emphasize that HTC didn't have a large hand in developing the hardware. “We designed it, HTC is just the ODM” was a phrase I heard twice. SE is (rightfully) very proud of this hardware and though they're utilizing HTC to do the manufacturing, they really want to make sure that they get the credit.
HTC hasn't done as much as most people here think they've done. SE has done the hard work with the hardware and software, HTC just manufactures it (thank god). So to compare to an HTC device is wrong in my opinion.
Posted by aksd
I know, read that, but HTC IS the ODM, as far as I know SE have not signed and license agreements with Qualcomm for use of their processors, if thats the case the X1 is using an MSM7200A thorugh the HTC license and at this moment no HTC device runs the 3D drivers. Maybe for the X1 SE have paid HTC who in turn have bought the drivers from Qualcomm, but who can say till the device is actually released.
Everybody thought the TyTn2 was going to be a "multimedia device" which it turned out not as powerful as expected or advertised. Having learnt my lesson I will not believe any manufacturer until benchmarks have been run on the device
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Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Ah right fair enough.
Having had no experience with Windows Mobile devices, I don't think I'm really in a position to argue!
Posted by max_wedge
I wouldn't mind betting that without running that glossy (but very nice) Xperia interface, ie: just using Today and the Start Menu to access apps would be a lot quicker
Seems Xperia really is just a glorified configurable menu front end. That said, I hope it does have the balls to run Xperia well (on release). I can see myself using the Xperia this way: Running today screen as the main screen, but using "Xperia" as a "main menu". The traditional "Main Menu" screens that s60, UIQ and A100/200 all have, is something that WM doesn't have. Xperia provides this. I was pleased to see Xperia is accessible via a hardcoded button, so it would be possible to use the today screen as your active standby, and Xperia as the menu system for accessing stuff.
Also, I'm expect the ease of creating panels (xml, or if you are a programmer c++) will result in many useful third party panel downloads. This will also be good for the SE modding scene
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Posted by Muhammad-Oli
@max_wedge: Xperia replaces the today screen.
Posted by aksd
In the same way SPB shell or point ui replaces the today screen, verysuperfically, you can make sure it does'nt if you want.
You'll have pople asking me now how I know without using the phone, lol, but in WM you can always return to the today screen, it cannot be completely replaced. The panels are more like a launcher than a today screen replacement, they might call it a replacement of the today screen but its not, as soon as you press the end key it should go back to the WM today screen as far as I know, otherwise with a tiny registry edit you can make the WM today screen appear with a touch of the red key.
Max, never thought about modding the panels, but like you said its going to happen, should be fun(If I buy the handset
, seems like HTC have a few big launches planned which wil out gun the X1 ).
Posted by mario2004
When is this phone going on sale? This year or next?
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Posted by whentheleveebreaks
I hope the lag is 100% gone when the phone is released, i couldnt go back to a phone with any lag at all.