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Posted by himlims_nl
hi all fellow mobile junkies,

i'm in doubt; k770 or t650...
specs are nearly the same (can't find any major differences) same goes for dimentions.
both seam to be quality good build phones, since i don't see 'm back to often to repair.

i like k770 cause of brauwn colour and big keypad.
i like t650 because it's T and quite unique design



Posted by alonbe
I will copy over here the comment I posted in the K770 thread:

guys I'm new in here, I just have a question to ask =)

I'm currently in the proccess of buying a new phone through my local provider, I was really into the K800 and ordered it (and since everything takes a while over here....->) they called me two weeks later (well im a soldier, I come back home only once in a while) and said they're out of this model and they're not gonna import any k800s in the near future.. so i started looking for the other models they offer (BTW: must point out - buying the model elsewhere from my provider is out of the question), and i got to the conclusion its either t650, w910 or k770. after some research i think the k770 is the best choice. I wasn't sure if the t650 is better, and from what I understood, the t650 is better than the k770 in matters regarding style and design, whilst the k770 has better functions and camera quality..
am I correct?
Which is "better" t650 or k770? or maybe even w910?

Must point out: I'm interested in surfing the net alot with the phone, and after that I prefer camera over music.

Thanks ahead!!


BTW, the t650 is bout 175% more expensive for some awkward reason :s

[ This Message was edited by: alonbe on 2008-01-18 17:51 ]

Posted by himlims_nl
both seem quite simular, with some preasure you can even get k770 back cover to fit t650.

are there any major differences considering modding (menu's etc.?)

Posted by technical-expert
@himlims_nl

If u need a unique design i may suggest the classy Nokia 8600 & 8800 (really unique,and charming)in real (more than in pic).With premium materials and excellent display and brightness







[ This Message was edited by: itouch on 2008-01-18 12:48 ]

Posted by himlims_nl
owned 8600 (like 8800) both battery is very low considering current standards.

with calls / BT traffic i can use it for about 7/8hrs.

so sold

Posted by goldenface
I think I'd go for the T650i simiply because of the design, although I would like some more colour options.



Posted by himlims_nl


is not realy my thing to bling

//edit
little note; both take same quality pictures right?

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[ This Message was edited by: himlims_nl on 2008-01-18 13:07 ]

Posted by technical-expert
@himlims_nl

R u sure to pick one of these two or open to other options too?

Posted by goldenface

On 2008-01-18 14:05:20, himlims_nl wrote:
is not realy my thing to bling

//edit
little note; both take same quality pictures right?


I don't think its mine either but there is a rather nice silver/black version around.



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[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2008-01-18 13:19 ]

Posted by himlims_nl

On 2008-01-18 14:10:48, itouch wrote:
@himlims_nl

R u sure to pick one of these two or open to other options too?


i'm wide open
however i'm not intrested in any smartphone, a phone with joystick, or any samsung.
nokia 6300 seems a realy good buy, but not worth with contract
(since it's round 160 in prepaid)
besides the 6300 nokia does not realyl offer any nice phones imho
lg got viewty (but find it too expensive atm)
prada seen too many with display issues

anyone experienced with neonode 2

Posted by Dups!
@alonbe-
In terms of internet usage I'd pick the w910 because of edge, hsdpa and a generous screen. The problem comes when you talk about the camera where the k770 is better. Personally I love the t650, it oozes style and it is so classy. I'd pick it over the given choices.


Posted by himlims_nl
after beeing in doubt whole day, i think i made a desision... t650

but ... after a lot camera/photo tests i found out. k770 does much better photo's.
nearly every t650 photo got a green/yellow glace, i tried 3 t650 so it's the model number not this certain imei.
any change it's fixed with software?

Posted by alonbe

On 2008-01-18 16:55:53, EMS06 wrote:
@alonbe-
In terms of internet usage I'd pick the w910 because of edge, hsdpa and a generous screen. The problem comes when you talk about the camera where the k770 is better. Personally I love the t650, it oozes style and it is so classy. I'd pick it over the given choices.



So basically what you're saying is that in terms of internet w910 is best, camera=k770 and style = t650?

*BTW, I'm no phone buff, what is hsdpa?*

also, keep in mind im not all that interested in the music factor as i have my ipod and im quite satisfied with it, so i dont intend to use my phone as a music player... however, the internet is important to me, and second in importance comes the camera..
so if i take into consideration both internet and camera, which would u recommend?
is the difference in internet surfing much greater than the difference in the camera's quality?
and is the t650's only highlight over these other two the style? in functionality are the w910 and k770 superior to the t650?

thx ahd

Posted by Dups!
Hsdpa means high-speed downlink packet access. In a nutshell it makes it possible for mobile users to have fast internet connectivity speeds of up to 3.6 megabits per second which is fast for mobile phones today. Based on your requirements I'd say go for the k770 even though you'll lose out on faster internet speeds provided by the w910 but you get a decent camera. As for the t650 it basically is the same as the k770 with a not so good camera module. Hope this helps.

Posted by Radiux399

On 2008-01-18 17:00:48, himlims_nl wrote:
after beeing in doubt whole day, i think i made a desision... t650

but ... after a lot camera/photo tests i found out. k770 does much better photo's.
nearly every t650 photo got a green/yellow glace, i tried 3 t650 so it's the model number not this certain imei.
any change it's fixed with software?


The camera in the T650i and the K770i are exactly the same. There shouldn't be any difference between the two in their picture taking abilities.

Posted by razec

On 2008-01-19 06:28:10, Radiux399 wrote:

On 2008-01-18 17:00:48, himlims_nl wrote:
after beeing in doubt whole day, i think i made a desision... t650

but ... after a lot camera/photo tests i found out. k770 does much better photo's.
nearly every t650 photo got a green/yellow glace, i tried 3 t650 so it's the model number not this certain imei.
any change it's fixed with software?


The camera in the T650i and the K770i are exactly the same. There shouldn't be any difference between the two in their picture taking abilities.


One thing that can make them different cam quality wise was the imaging algorithm applied for both phones. K770 applies lesser noise suppression method to preserve details and let the user edit it with no problems in contrast to T650 which applies stronger compression and N-R to render the image as noise free and well enough for casual phototaking

Yeah they share the same sensor size as well as lens but software can always differentiate the 3mp quality they hold

Posted by alukardgt
or maybe by Firmware ..... or Hardware

Posted by Radiux399

On 2008-01-19 06:34:48, razec wrote:

On 2008-01-19 06:28:10, Radiux399 wrote:

On 2008-01-18 17:00:48, himlims_nl wrote:
after beeing in doubt whole day, i think i made a desision... t650

but ... after a lot camera/photo tests i found out. k770 does much better photo's.
nearly every t650 photo got a green/yellow glace, i tried 3 t650 so it's the model number not this certain imei.
any change it's fixed with software?


The camera in the T650i and the K770i are exactly the same. There shouldn't be any difference between the two in their picture taking abilities.


One thing that can make them different cam quality wise was the imaging algorithm applied for both phones. K770 applies lesser noise suppression method to preserve details and let the user edit it with no problems in contrast to T650 which applies stronger compression and N-R to render the image as noise free and well enough for casual phototaking

Yeah they share the same sensor size as well as lens but software can always differentiate the 3mp quality they hold



Its true that the imaging algorithm between the two phones can be different. But i've studied shots taken by both phones very, very closely, and i've seen no difference at all between the two. The K770i does not have better detail, or less noise suppression. As far as I can tell, they are both identical. I'm not saying i'm right, and until someone hacks apart the camera driver from both phones to see if there are any differences, i doubt anyone will know for sure. But all I can say is that I doubt anyone is going to be able to tell the difference between pictures taken from the T650 and the K770.

Posted by himlims_nl
odd, i tested quite intence yesterday (got an ancient s700 photo(phone) houlder) placed both k770 and t650 in it, taking various pictures of same object same distance lightning etc.
and i i'm realy shure k770 does take better pictures.
t650 pictures got some kind a glace over the pictures.
the quality of detail seems quite equal, sometimes just a couple pixels difference so no major gap here.
however with dimmed light k770 does take much better pictures.
ofcourse i can edit / finetune the quality with photoshop, but i don't want to do so with every picture i take with t650

Posted by Dups!
I agree with you himlims_nl. I've noted the differences in the photo capabilities of the two phones. My conclusion was/is that the k770 was/is better than the t650.

Posted by BobaFett
i would rather go for the t650, at lesat cos of the design. k770 feels for me so cheap and imo its a lady fone

Posted by razec

On 2008-01-19 11:57:22, BobaFett wrote:
i would rather go for the t650, at lesat cos of the design. k770 feels for me so cheap and imo its a lady fone



T650 black silver edition is the best imho it makes us nostalgic for the legendary T610

Posted by Raiderski
cameras are different:
K770 = Samsung Techwin
T650 = Foxconn

i don't know nothing about quality differences between these two

Posted by Muhammad-Oli
One thing that you don't seem to be noting is that the T650's camera is very exposed, sticking out the way it does. But the K770 has a cover to slide over it and protect it. If that matters to you (you want to keep the camera in good condition easily), then perhaps the K770 is a better choice. I love the T650's style, but I also think the K770 has a lot of class. More than something like a K800 or K850 even, in my opinion.

Posted by razec

On 2008-01-19 12:11:39, Raiderski wrote:
cameras are different:
K770 = Samsung Techwin
T650 = Foxconn

i don't know nothing about quality differences between these two



Wow i didn't know that but judging by the experiences of samsung regarding slim camera module quality, i come to believe that K770's cam module produces better images than T650's

Posted by Radiux399
Don't forget to wipe the lens before taking shots on the T650i. Since its always exposed, it might be covered in fingerprints.

The K770i isn't in Flickr's database yet, so I can't search for pictures taken by it very well to do a good comparison. But I can speak from experience that the T650i takes exceptionally good shots in well-lit conditions. In dark areas you have to hold the phone *very* steady not to get a blurry shot. Thats a fault of the tiny aperture used in the lens - not enough light gets in. This applies to the K770 as well.


Posted by Radiux399

On 2008-01-19 12:11:39, Raiderski wrote:
cameras are different:
K770 = Samsung Techwin
T650 = Foxconn

i don't know nothing about quality differences between these two



Interesting. Where did you get this info from?

Posted by BobaFett
so u mean, no sony cams inside? i did the serach, there are some links about it, that true, but nothins spesific to be honest...

Posted by razec

On 2008-01-19 22:49:15, BobaFett wrote:
so u mean, no sony cams inside? i did the serach, there are some links about it, that true, but nothins spesific to be honest...



or we should say no sony cam modules on the entire SE 2007 range except only for K750 and brothers, K800/810 and S700 even the K850 itself doesn't possess sony cam modules i bet. the quality really is not what we expect from a Sony imager

Posted by interloper
The size and deisgn of K770 are just beautiful, plus it's cheaper than T650 so get K770

Posted by Amras
both are using R8BA, Taiwan firmware.

k770

t650



k770 is better. look at the green plants/grass. it's sharper with k770 with better green color.

look at the turtle craft, it's also sharper in k770. better white balance too. colors look more natural.



Posted by athiwatc
I go for k770 because i have one ^_^

Posted by NightBlade
K770 alll the way!

Posted by Bhavv
I'd go for a k660i but dont think its released yet XD.

I need HSDPA

Posted by manster
Guys need a bit of help i cant decide which to buy T650 or K770 i've read thru the topic and still couldn't decide i was thinking of buying the T650 because of the accessories that it comes with and the cool flash themes but after seeing that the K770 has a better camera it changed my mind now i can't decide.

So this the question does the K770 support flash themes or not.

And which has a better screen or are they the same.

Sorry for giving life to a 1 month old thread.

[ This Message was edited by: manster on 2008-02-26 19:42 ]

Posted by Amras
Yes, K770 support flash themes. But the one that's preinstalled is not really my taste anyway. You can still add more flash themes with some phone modding of course.

Screen is exactly the same quality. But K770 light sensor performs much better so you can still see your screen in delightful brightness/contrast though you're in darker environments. Light sensor decreases the brightness of the screen automatically everytime you're in darker environments. Both phones have light sensor, but K770 sensor performs better:

K770 - T650




Posted by manster
So i still need to Mod it do you mean by flashing or something is it easy how do you do it sorry for being of topic and asking so many questions

Posted by Amras

On 2008-02-26 20:45:32, manster wrote:
So i still need to Mod it do you mean by flashing or something is it easy how do you do it sorry for being of topic and asking so many questions


Yes, something like flashing.
It's not very easy to do, but if you read some tutorials on the internet (there are plenty of them and written well), I think it will be quite easy for you to try.



Posted by carkitter
I don't like the K770 styling or the available colours. IMO K770's true competition is the K810 which is much better looking.

The T650 styling is good enough for me to forego some very minor difference in cam quality compared to K770, however the $64 million question is 'how does T650 compare to W890?'

Posted by momoki

On 2008-02-27 14:25:08, carkitter wrote:
I don't like the K770 styling or the available colours. IMO K770's true competition is the K810 which is much better looking.

The T650 styling is good enough for me to forego some very minor difference in cam quality compared to K770, however the $64 million question is 'how does T650 compare to W890?'



difference people hav different perception.. i like k770i compare to k810i. i don quite like the design n the stupid round small button. i tink u could jus get frustrated becos of the small round button.

Posted by manster
I like both of them for different reasons K770 design ain't that bad i like that it has 5 different colors especially the beige one but people like different things.


This are the other four colors not including Truffle Brown color.


Thats hard to decide which one T650 or W890 you made my brain hurt hehehe.

[ This Message was edited by: manster on 2008-02-27 17:01 ]

Posted by markmanny
what about the SAR level of the phone ... 1,69 W/kg ... i'm worried ...

Posted by manster
Guys do this phones have the Cross media bar i mean xmb.

Posted by nebraska
just go there to improve the quality of photos and videos for your T650 and K770 (new driver)

http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=162996&start=0


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