N82 or K850. - Esato archive

Posted by Waspinator
What will be the benefit of S60 phone.

Posted by plankgatan
here is what i meant about N82 low light/cloudy pictures...it have exactley the same problem like N95 to produce sharp low light/cloudy pictures.

of course, this is NOT the only 2 blurry pics i have seen....N82 is not some magic phone who manage all environments perfect..it have a good camera, but still far away from a real camera.

if you want WLAN & GPS buy N82............if you want design, better battery life, and much better camera features/settings buy k850

....both phones have good cameras...no doubt about that.

k850 can produce landscape to

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Posted by QVGA

On 2008-01-11 01:06:57, plankgatan wrote:
of course i mean stuff like calendar and 3G, (thats part of a ordinary new cell phone)....

i meant all this "thousands" of special functions example N95 have...who i even cant spell...he he he

WLAN is the only thing i miss on my k850...but Turbo 3G (3.6 MB/sec) is realy ok.

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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-01-11 00:08 ]

best black list(for screening calls), best crypto(to hide files with password), lock the entire phone with password, unlimited SMS memory, fring, task manager.
does your K850 has ANY of these available for it?

Posted by technical-expert

What will be the benefit of S60 phone.

S60 platform is the leading and most advanced smartphone platform in the world.with S60 u have more application and u can do more.

S60 info- http://www.s60.com/life

U should get n82,K850 has lot of purple fringing in the photos.And unsharp and more noise in picture.

waspinator wht does ur mind tell u?I hope u go for n82,which is winner of many awards(best camera for year 07) and have won all camera test compared to k850i and all othe 5 mp camera.

Posted by GUCCI.011
I use most of the features in my N81, Web Browse via WiFi or 3G, play Ngage games, Watch movies and videos, listen to music,and use a lot of S60 apps, some great apps for this platform like emTube, Opera8.65 , X-Plore, SmartMovie, DivX, Oggplay, Symella,AudioCube, Symtorrent and lots more, thats why S60 os9 phones are 'WHAT COMPUTERS HAVE BECOME'

So id say get the N82, with K850 all get is a motion sensor (accelerometer) without any realy cool apps and an average 5mp camera from what ive seen.
With N82 you get a motion sensor (accelerometer) with auto rotate, LOTS of cool apps like Nokmote, RotateMe, LightSabre etc. . . Plus a great 5mp camera with strong Xenon flash, a BIGGER screen with 16million colours for great display look, stereo 3D Speakers, WiFi ,3D acceleration with the TI OMAP 2420 chipset with a DSP for great sound quality, Symbian S60 meaning you can still increase funct
ionality, honestly K850 doesn't stand a chance. If you want a phone that will loose novelty quickly then get K850.

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Posted by Raiderski

On 2008-01-11 00:34:26, plankgatan wrote:
he he he..i have only one question to you guys..

how often do you realy use all of (example) Nokias N-serie (N95/N82, etc) features/functions ????????

what do you use with your cell phone ???....
maybe: type sms...calling...listen to music/radio....check your email....and taken pictures (some video recording)

i dont use much more then this functions...do you ???? (now i mean daily using..not one time a month)

this is stupid argument, simply because you're trying to say:
"if you're not use other functions then you should buy K850"
or
"K850 is beautiful and that's why you should buy it"

plankgatan, if you are happy with your K850 then fine but don't try to depreciate other phones only because you don't like their design or bigger funcionality. some people don't think in this way - respect this fact

to be honest, my heart bled when i had to replace Nokia (with bunch of Symbian tools & games) to W800 with J2ME only

Posted by QVGA

On 2008-01-11 11:17:56, Raiderski wrote:

what he means is that just because he isnt smart enough to use a smartphone, then no one else is.

Posted by Waspinator
I am inclined towards n82 now.But you guys didn't mentioned it's sound quality through earphones.How good is the bass.Does the DAC really worth it.

Posted by genus
Sure n82, if you dont care abt the price. n82 hv more better camera function which allow you to preset the contrast, color saturation, and much more. Besides that n82 photo are much more sharper than k850i. The k850i have centre weight metering, but n82 have average metering for exposure, so it is less overexposure when taking photo. n82 have more more better phone function compare to k850i.
Both phone camera still not gv very good result of photo as compare to imobile 902, the real quality photo should be like that.

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Posted by Raiderski
i-mobile 902? yeah, looks like SE have big fun when they are shooting in own knees

Posted by buntoo
K850i all the way!

Posted by mib1800
....to the service centre

Posted by technical-expert
K850

n82

K850

n82

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Posted by chombos1
first pic:
wrong settings for K850 flash.
try it with iso 100 or twillight portrait mode turned on. and SEE the results.
And then compare them with N82.
i used K850 for 2 weeks and i know what the flash is capable of.

second pic:
different white balance

Posted by plankgatan
this is how k850 flash suppose to look like..(realy good sharpness & colors)

Posted by DocDibble
you guys are die hearted SE fans cause you obviously dont get the point that with default settings on both the n82 is superior. Consider the fact that the iso on the n82 can also be adjusted. No need to even compare these 2. One is symbian smartphone with better camera and a load of other features whilst the other is just a good camera phone. And lets not even start on the video quality of both.

Posted by Vivanco
I'm also dealing with the same problem. The N82 looks like a great phone with a lot of features (wifi,gps etc), but I doubt I will ever use them. The design is ok, but the D-pad and keypad looks very akward, does it feel akward? Honest opinions about those please.

I really liked the keypad, touch-sensitve buttons and D-pad on the K850i. This phone has, however, no wifi, gps etc etc. I'm mostly texting and calling and listening to music, but I'm missing the wifi feature here!!

I'm pleased to see that the N82 has a 3.5mm headphone jack and the k850i doesn't (yes I want to use my own headphones without having 10mtr of cable (extra connector etc)), another + for the N82 imo.

I'm not really looking for the camera cause I know what the n82 and k850i are capable of.

Could somebody make up my mind? The k850i still has some firmware issue's but is cheaper, I can't seem to figure out which phone I should take.

Posted by GUCCI.011
Awww shame,the SE Fanboys can't handle the fact that the NOKIA N82 camera is clearly better and this is with the 1st FW!!

1st W910 is beaten by N81 and now K850 is beaten by N82.
'THE NEXT EPISODE' is realy looking great

Posted by chombos1
well !!

never using some features is not a good reason not to buy a device. (of course if the price difference is not huge)

as for these two hansets; K850 will fill most of your needs during a day with a nice and fresh UI.

N82 is packed with every features availble and will do everything you want from it.

camera: the quality of the both cameras is quite near - both have flaws and strong points - (in fact they have the best camera capabilities out there)
video recording is a plus for N82
camera UI and it's ease of use is a plus for K850

but it is up to your needs if you think that wifi and gps does not worth the extra paying then The K850 is there for you.
but if the price of the N82 is less than 1.3 times greater then having wifi and gps won't hurt.

just to mention:: K850 looks better in hand and feels more classy.

Posted by plankgatan
N82 is not MUCH better...thats for sure...YES, it have (like N95) more color/contrast saturation in daylight pictures....

but i think k850 doing a realy good job now, flash works realy good, indoor works good (amazing indoor pics) and now after some learning, outdoor pics (special if you use Documnet + daylight)...

the last outdoor pics i took yesterday, there is N82 actaully behind in quality...

so yes..if you looking for gps/wlan...buy N82

otherwise buy k850..much more beatiful, smaller............

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Posted by bavlondon2
So many deluded SE fans here. K850 colours are well washed out and havent been improved at all in any of the firmware updates. N82 gives more vibrant colours not to mention it has a better camera lense cover mechanism and also a xenon flash. GPS, 30fps VGA, bigger screen, 3.5mm jack. And to be honest there are too many bugs with the K850, build feels like crap too.

To be honest K850 is a nice cam phone but N82 does so much more and has come out top on majority of cam phone reviews. Dont let peoples fanboyistic views skew your impressions of any phone. Always look on various forums before making your choice. Esato is a mostly a SE forum, you may want to try something more balanced like MR and your view might then change.

But anyway look at phone reviews between these 2 phones on GSM Arena and MR. N82 wins hands down.

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Posted by plankgatan
washed out ????...LEARN YOUR CAMERA...LEARN WHERE THE LIGHT COMING FROM, etc, etc...after that, maybe you will get better saturation...he he

this pictures is 100% original.
(if i bother i can show them in 2592 x 1944 to. it dosent mather, they still looks good)
is they looking washed out ??? they looks more natural then N82..thats for sure

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Posted by SE-Naz
Can we please stop the arguments....

This is getting crazy here...

These are peopls opinions and personal views... I have had the K850i for 3 months and thought I would have it for longer... but overal was not happy with it. So i purchased the N82 and have to admit am much happier with it... though I do miss some features of the

UI and I admit K850i does look nice the problem with build quality is not good at all.

Cheers

ENJOY

Posted by Dextrr
ROFL @ Plankgatan!!!

He reminds me of this guy:

"THERE ARE NO BUGS IN THE K850 AND IT TAKES BETTER PICTURES THAN THE N82 AND N95. ALL THE REVIEWS ARE A LIE. DO NOT BELIEVE THEM!!!!"

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Posted by plankgatan
software problem...yes some people have

hardware problems (chassi, screen, etc)...no, not many at all....(not more then all new phones have)

ps..i have never said that k850 have no bugs..i have only said that my own phone dosent have some major bugg issues....thats a different...
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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-01-12 13:45 ]

Posted by Dextrr
Plankgatan:

I actually like how ruthlessly you defend the K850. I agree with you, it's a great phone but there are better phones out there, that's all. Hopefully new firmwares do the K850 justice.

Let's just have fun man. I'm sick of the Nokia VS SE war.

Later!

Posted by plankgatan
you wanne here something funny.....

i live in a medium big town (Sweden)...there is

work shop (in the same town) who takes job from 4-5 towns around my town...(they are quite large, and have been working with

, nokia and samsung long time)......

when i DPY flashed my k850 there to fw 038 (and later back to 037)..the guy who owns the work shop (Danne) said - there have not been nearly no people at all, who comes in with theirs k850 and complaing about the software...

strange yes ???..realy, i think it strange..the work shop have many

people there every day.

well well..i just thought about it...see you

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Posted by goldenface
I think its pot luck. Some are suffering more from bugs than others. I've been quite lucky. No dust etc.

I like the N82, I think its one of the better phones from Nokia but it looks very expensive right now.

Posted by *Jojo*
Does the

K850 has a GPS-feature

Coz the N82 has

Posted by bavlondon2
Plangktan even if they were on par pic wise (which they arnt) the K850 is still lacking in so many areas. N82 runs on a better processor, it has a 3,5mm jack, it shoot video in a much higher res and even has built in GPS.

K850 is just a k800 with a slightly improved camera. Thats exactly what the K800 was to the K750.

Posted by number1
cam wise all 5megapixels cam phones are as bollocks as each other, read here why www.6mpixel.org/en and i think both phones have a 1/2.8" sensor size, phone wise i think the k850i is alot nicer java based phones are alot easier to use, sony ericssons gui is the best to navigate and easiest to use, also the k850i has a nice unbranded walkman 3 player with megabass many people say it sounds great, the n82 screens is better though it's 2.4 inch's 16m colours and the k850i's is 2.2 inchs 265k colours, the n82 does have a quite power processor and 90mb but would you really use that much ram, i would rather have the k850, if your looking for a good cam phone look for a 3.2mp cam phone.

Posted by Waspinator
Some people says K850 performs better at manual settings than N82,how true is this.

Posted by SE-Naz
Remember you also have manual settings with the N82....

In truth both handsets have positive and negatives... I would honestly say check them for yourself and decide...

The people here seem to just have fights over NOKIA n

I prefer

phones but in this case NOKIA has done it for me.

Cheers

ENJOY

Posted by C905

On 2008-01-12 18:46:38, Waspinator wrote:
Some people says K850 performs better at manual settings than N82,how true is this.

K850 performs a lot better with manual settings, but since i don't have a n82 to compare it with i can't say anything about this

Posted by bavlondon2
Yeah but some people are still moaning about the flash sync issue. If the colour was better and more vibrant and it didnt have so many bugs I may have gone for the K850 as I had a w800 and a k800 but they made the mistake of not putting in VGA video.

Posted by sadeghi85

On 2008-01-12 18:51:40, k850 successor wrote:

K850 performs a lot better with manual settings, but since i don't have a n82 to compare it with i can't say anything about this

So what "better" means?

Posted by C905

On 2008-01-12 20:02:11, sadeghi85 wrote:

On 2008-01-12 18:51:40, k850 successor wrote:

K850 performs a lot better with manual settings, but since i don't have a n82 to compare it with i can't say anything about this

So what "better" means?

i mean one can see a difference in pictures taken with default settings and manual settings
And my experience with the phone tells me that the pictures are better with manual settings

Posted by vegetaleb
I had n95 and now K850...Go for a K850,nothing can beat SE menus

Posted by sadeghi85
@k850 successor:

my bad.

Posted by BobaFett

On 2008-01-12 15:11:15, *Jojo* wrote:
Does the

K850 has a GPS-feature

Coz the N82 has

if u mean built in gps, no.

Posted by plankgatan
but you can buy this one...then you have a realy good GPS..
(i have never tried GPS-puck to k850, but i have tried this puck to a P1..it was very fast)

Posted by BobaFett
indeed, bt gp solutions are way better then the built in ones ( have to admit, these are the first tries to put gps in a fone, so no wonder ) so imo n95, n82 etc gps are ok for an average usage

Posted by *Jojo*

On 2008-01-12 22:41:37, BobaFett wrote:
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On 2008-01-12 15:11:15, *Jojo* wrote:
Does the

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Coz the N82 has

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if u mean built in gps, no.

@boba - OK . . . so FEATUREs-wise which has the MOST and BEST then

Posted by bavlondon2

On 2008-01-12 22:45:17, plankgatan wrote:
but you can buy this one...then you have a realy good GPS..
(i have never tried GPS-puck to k850, but i have tried this puck to a P1..it was very fast)

Yes and if you wanted a better cam you could carry a digital camera around with you. If you wanted better music you could carry around a seperate mp3 player. The point is, its built IN to the N82. lol

Posted by BobaFett
according the fact, that a symbian os fones offer u more features ( apps etc ) then a simple java fone, the n82. but i have to admit, that se fones have better cams ( imo ) but its a bit pointless for me to take a fone just because of the cam feature, cos next to it, k850 doesnt offer more, then some lately launched se models. so its really up to the owner, what and why to take...

Posted by *Jojo*
@boba - I quite AGREE with the ISSUE that

has BETTER camera compared to Nokia . . . however, there has been some issue when it comes to THEIR - 5 MP camfones

Nokia is releasing GOOD - 5 MP camfone at the moment . . .

Posted by bavlondon2

On 2008-01-13 00:53:46, BobaFett wrote:
according the fact, that a symbian os fones offer u more features ( apps etc ) then a simple java fone, the n82. but i have to admit, that se fones have better cams ( imo ) but its a bit pointless for me to take a fone just because of the cam feature, cos next to it, k850 doesnt offer more, then some lately launched se models. so its really up to the owner, what and why to take...

In the past SE had held the top of the game prize for best cam phones but tey lost out to the N95 and the N82 was just the final nail in the coffin. It also didnt help releasing it so late considering it was apparantly in network testing last Jan.

Posted by *Jojo*
. . . looks like Nokia is catching up in releasing quality camfones at present, starting with their - 5 MPs !

Posted by bavlondon2
Yeah so true with the N95. Before SE would wipe the floor in terms of pics but now majority of reviews said the k850 was a bit of a let down in terms of pics. Many even placed the G600 ahead of it.

Posted by *Jojo*
. . . and EVEN the LG-Viewty (5 MP) !