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Posted by plankgatan
this thread will go on forever...but, i still think k850 take better indoor, flash & low light pictures then N82......

ive also seen so many amazing outdoor (k850)pictures with good sharpness and saturation, (from ex, Gerban, darkmagician, brewcaster, myself, etc)..that im so convinced that k850 have the power to take great pics..

when i said that k850 manage low light(ex, cloudy weather) better then N82..i meant this:

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/5079/dsc07736vs0.jpg

(ive seen many low light pics with N82 on Flickr.com, and they have not the same sharpness)

anyway....some people have got k850 with major problems...thats not cool, but i think that if you get a k850 who works like it should, you have a awesome phone with good camera, music player, etc, etc.....

for all people who is worried about photo shop...here is your exif data...he he

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I K850, W810 & T29
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(t610, t630, k700, k750, k800, k810)


[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-01-13 02:42 ]
Posted by *Jojo*
@planks - No doubt you take images with your K850i like that of a professional- photographer . . . however SOME of the K850-users here are as NOT as GOOD as YOU are mate
Posted by razec
SE may have lost in camera war last year, but who knows? maybe that could bring them back into life and offer us powerful cam modules for the next K-series cybershots at least SE has been redeemed
Posted by plankgatan
i had/have both phones,,(had N82 for 3 days)...the ONLY feature i miss with N82 is the wlan...the hardware was good, but NOT wooaahh, what a phone.

i easily choose k850.........N82 D-pad and ugly design destroyed the whole feeling...sorry Nokia, your N-serie(except for N81) looks like shit..realy !

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I K850, W810 & T29
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(t610, t630, k700, k750, k800, k810)



[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-01-13 02:40 ]
Posted by BobaFett
its a matter of taste. i rather prefer "shit" design with more features, then a fone with "no shit" design but less features. next to it, there are plenty of variations in the n and e series if sy wanna go for the symbian os and the cam is not that important.
Posted by razec

On 2008-01-13 03:42:29, BobaFett wrote:
its a matter of taste. i rather prefer "shit" design with more features, then a fone with "no shit" design but less features. next to it, there are plenty of variations in the n and e series if sy wanna go for the symbian os and the cam is not that important.



I can't withstand a phone with "shit" design as well as "shit" features so both N82 and K850 were not for me instead i'd rather choose W960/P1 or N95 8Gb
Posted by -PERFECT-

On 2008-01-13 03:07:24, plankgatan wrote:
this thread will go on forever...but, i still think k850 take better indoor, flash & low light pictures then N82......

ive also seen so many amazing outdoor (k850)pictures with good sharpness and saturation, (from ex, Gerban, darkmagician, brewcaster, myself, etc)..that im so convinced that k850 have the power to take great pics..

when i said that k850 manage low light(ex, cloudy weather) better then N82..i meant this:

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/5079/dsc07736vs0.jpg

(ive seen many low light pics with N82 on Flickr.com, and they have not the same sharpness)

anyway....some people have got k850 with major problems...thats not cool, but i think that if you get a k850 who works like it should, you have a awesome phone with good camera, music player, etc, etc.....

for all people who is worried about photo shop...here is your exif data...he he

_________________
I K850, W810 & T29
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____________________________________
(t610, t630, k700, k750, k800, k810)


[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-01-13 02:42 ]


Plankgatan wich mode have you used for this photo?
I have a k850i and when i see it the colors are not natural IMHO (with low light the white snow for ex.)

Posted by *Jojo*
I prefer a fone with BOMBASTIC-design . . . and LESS-features . . . after all, a mobile phone is basically used just for - CALLS!
Posted by razec

On 2008-01-13 04:00:24, *Jojo* wrote:
I prefer a fone with BOMBASTIC-design . . . and LESS-features . . . after all, a mobile phone is basically used just for - CALLS!



That's a perspective of the early days of mobile phones, now if a phone was still basically meant for CALLS, then why we have smartphones? feature phones and PDA phones
Posted by *Jojo*
Humans making LIFE for them to LIVE . . .more and more . . . complicated I would not be surprised at all if one day all of these futuristic mobile phones will be equipped with - SWISS KNIVES on it !
Posted by mib1800
@razec

i on the other prefer "conventional" design like N82 over the "learn-it-all-over-again" keypad of K850 with its stupidly placed nav-pad. And sacrificing the conventional keypad what the K850 gain in design - NOTHING. It is still a as-plain-as-it-gets looking rectangular block.

@plankgatan

No offence. But the pic you posted of K850 looks like sh*t with its noise and blurriness and "extraordinary" color. My N82 can take much better photo than this in low light.




Posted by razec

On 2008-01-13 04:08:36, mib1800 wrote:
@razec

i on the other prefer "conventional" design like N82 over the "learn-it-all-over-again" keypad of K850 with its stupidly placed nav-pad. And sacrificing the conventional keypad what the K850 gain in design - NOTHING. It is still a as-plain-as-it-gets looking rectangular block.



conventional as you call it, but the single most stupidest thing Nokia has even done with that phone is to have a minuscule keypad although the phone dimensions are well suited for having a much better sized keypad. K850 on the other hand is smaller than N82 and since the phone have been blessed with a slightly larger screen the predecessor then the redesigning of keys is sensible since it is almost impossible to put a proper keypad on an almost shrunked space like in K850 to attain the same extent of comfort in typing on the keys and the dpad like the K850 itself. whist N82 has got almost the same dimensions as N73 but has a crumped but decent tactile keypad - and the fact that nokia is targeting the mainstream/high-end multimedia centric market where there are lots of users who are used to a proper keypad to space size ratio.

@*Jojo*

Humans making LIFE for them to LIVE . . .more and more . . . complicated I would not be surprised at all if one day all of these futuristic mobile phones will be equipped with - SWISS KNIVES on it !


That's the time that mobile phones will often get banned in some or most countries
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[ This Message was edited by: razec on 2008-01-13 03:38 ]
Posted by plankgatan

On 2008-01-13 04:00:24, *Jojo* wrote:
I prefer a fone with BOMBASTIC-design . . . and LESS-features . . . after all, a mobile phone is basically used just for - CALLS!



yeh me to.....otherwise you can buy a big brick with one millions of functions/features who manage everything.... why not a laptop with a integrate cell phone, then just carry it around in a rucksack...he he he



_________________
I K850, W810 & T29
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____________________________________
(t610, t630, k700, k750, k800, k810)




[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-01-13 03:43 ]
Posted by BobaFett
lets say, i would be the thread starter. next to the cam, what does more offer for me k850 then n82? lets not focus on the keypad, design, more only on the internal features.
Posted by plankgatan
trackID

flash themes

full size wallpaper

MUCH better Mediaplayer

MUCH better battery lifetime

LED lamp

MUCH better camera features

Java based, which means faster UI/menys

much better screen, (so much for all 16 mill colors).....see here;
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9729/namnlsxj0.jpg


_________________
I K850, W810 & T29
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____________________________________
(t610, t630, k700, k750, k800, k810)



[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-01-13 03:56 ]
Posted by BobaFett
and next to it we have the symbian os, with tons of useful applications and the possibility to "create" our own individual fone. so for serious fone users the n82 is a better option. for me k850 is more for a fone for fun, more focussed on the ppl, who prefer the listed features above. nokia is trying to put in one fone the biz aparts ( i mean the apps which support internet calls, office apps etc ) and next to it the multimedia apart aswell ( cam, music etc ) so if sy wanna have both, the nokia is a better option, even i have to admit, that se fun features are a bit more developed ( thx sony ) but look at ovi, internet radio etc nokia gives its best to offer us in the feature "better" n sries, but this takes of course, EVEN they "dare" to launch devices, aslong se is launch "almost" the same devices with more cam mp and music features. i have the feeling, they dont "dare" to risk...
Posted by sranjanm2002
haha..it's very funny..

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yeh me to.....otherwise you can buy a big brick with one millions of functions/features who manage everything.... why not a laptop with a integrate cell phone, then just carry it around in a rucksack...he he he



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I K850, W810 & T29
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____________________________________
(t610, t630, k700, k750, k800, k810)


[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-01-13 03:43 ]
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Posted by Waspinator

On 2008-01-13 03:45:49, razec wrote:

On 2008-01-13 03:42:29, BobaFett wrote:
its a matter of taste. i rather prefer "shit" design with more features, then a fone with "no shit" design but less features. next to it, there are plenty of variations in the n and e series if sy wanna go for the symbian os and the cam is not that important.



I can't withstand a phone with "shit" design as well as "shit" features so both N82 and K850 were not for me instead i'd rather choose W960/P1 or N95 8Gb



What are the shit features of N82. :confused:I though it has same functions as N95.
Posted by kenoby
As boba said, I fully agree with him on this, if you would like HIGHLY customizable phone you should go for the N82, if it is only for the cam, go for K850i. I must admit that if camera is the argument for you, K850i IS a right choice due it's price. Being comfy with a phone is really matter of oneself taste. I prefer D-pad over the cheap-felt N95. N82 I do not know so I will restrain of any comment on it.

In my op, even the featurewise, I had N95 and haven't missed any of the feats offered on it when I switched to K850i. There were few 3rd party softwares that I have used but from the financial side I discarded the nostalgic feeling. For EVERY single piece of softvare offered, that is worth your attention, you need to pay. S60 3gen is very security oriented (and highly elaborated aka detailed, complex) so installing cracked software puts the stability and security on stake. Buying the software makes you in a sense, phones slave cause you need to use it for a year, or a fool as myself, when you sell it for a same price as everyone who has a phone with stock settings.... Bah, hope you get my point.... Just my op. Good luck with any solution.
Posted by mib1800
@razec

but the single most stupidest thing Nokia has even done with that phone is to have a minuscule keypad although the phone dimensions are well suited for having a much better sized keypad.


Typing on the N82 keypad is not worse. Even if it is but still it is no where near as unfriendly as the nav-keys in K850. And I dont even want to mention the upside down logic of the K850 camera cover.

@kenoby

if it is only for the cam, go for K850i. I must admit that if camera is the argument for you, K850i IS a right choice due it's price.


Why you are recommending the worst 5mp is beyond my comprehension. K850 camera is the crappiest of all the 5MP camera. Looking at the "vox populi" survey of gsmarena.com, only 4 voted K850 for best photo compare to 217 for N95. And N82 has the same camera as N95 plus xenon flash which is much more powerful than K850 resulting in N82 producing better night pictures.


Posted by kenoby
@mib, It is my opinion. You do not need to understand it. Apart that I had N95 and I have N 95 8Gb and K850i. Again, it is only my opinion. As you have read whole post, reality is very simple: What you want from the phone and how much money you have to get that. Do not feel offended or anything.

I have never relied on "vox populi" in some random poll because most are not even users of the items in question and are 0.001% of user base ergo unreliable. I might be a fool cause I have bought K850i and have not read GSM arena before that, right?
He can account my opinion, or not, it is up to him.



[ This Message was edited by: kenoby on 2008-01-13 14:42 ]
Posted by Vipera ammodytes

On 2008-01-13 03:07:24, plankgatan wrote:
this thread will go on forever...but, i still think k850 take better indoor, flash & low light pictures then N82......

ive also seen so many amazing outdoor (k850)pictures with good sharpness and saturation, (from ex, Gerban, darkmagician, brewcaster, myself, etc)..that im so convinced that k850 have the power to take great pics..

when i said that k850 manage low light(ex, cloudy weather) better then N82..i meant this:

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/5079/dsc07736vs0.jpg

(ive seen many low light pics with N82 on Flickr.com, and they have not the same sharpness)

anyway....some people have got k850 with major problems...thats not cool, but i think that if you get a k850 who works like it should, you have a awesome phone with good camera, music player, etc, etc.....

for all people who is worried about photo shop...here is your exif data...he he

_________________
I K850, W810 & T29
------------------------------------
____________________________________
(t610, t630, k700, k750, k800, k810)


[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-01-13 02:42 ]



post pictures that i want

you edited photos in K850 topic

sad but true
Posted by kenoby
@ vipera, can you stop please? Again you two, going from topic to topic. Is there an end to it, or you will spam forever?
Posted by Vit
Hello to all!

Last week I just got rid of my old k800 and put my hands on a brand new N82 and I have to say: this phone rocks!

I don't know much about k850 flash pics, but I have seen some and to me it doesn't seem to be any better than K800's.

On the other hand, what I CAN say is that N82 flash pics are in a completely dif lead! Much stronger light than k800 and LG Viewty - which I tested and performed disappointingly.

It also manages to lock the focus distance in a much faster way than all those devices, even in a poorly lit ambient, due to a powerful LED focus assistant. Facing it against the K800 is like comparing a Porsche to a VW.

The only bottom lines of this device seems to be the compression settings and that annoying red LED that goes on every time you shoot video (and also blinks everytime you take a picture). Pictures get too much compression sometimes, losing quality at 100% crop. Anyway, it seems to be a software issue.

Otherwise, it won't disappoint you, with beautiful colors, manual settings for sharpness and contrast, a 100% better focus locking when compared to the N95, a simply outstanding focus assistant LED and, finally, awesome average speed!

Take account also that the N82 is capable of recording video at 30 fps at VGA res, being just a leap behind the Viewty qualitywise.

Oh, I almost forgot... The cursor featured on the N92 sometimes feels cheap and fragile, but you do not get the risk of having a crack on the glass at the backside of an almost 500 euro cel phone as you get with K850.

Here's a sample pic taken with the N82:


Posted by kenoby
Congrats on your new gadget. Good to hear you are happy with it.
I have only two questions tho.
Where does K850i costs 500E and how many have you heard of having a cracked glass?
Posted by Waspinator
I just bought a N82 guys.

Posted by technical-expert
@waspinator

excellent choice.Congratulation.Now u have everything in ur pocket.I hope u liked it.Any initial comments?
Posted by Waspinator
Thanks man,it takes amazing shots.I have a bitter experience with it,this is my second one,first was replaced becoz it stopped detecting usb cable.Do you know what are the free applications and games for it.How can i use GPS.
Posted by kenoby

On 2008-01-17 15:29:14, Waspinator wrote:
Thanks man,it takes amazing shots.I have a bitter experience with it,this is my second one,first was replaced becoz it stopped detecting usb cable.Do you know what are the free applications and games for it.How can i use GPS.


Now, now.. This thread is going off topic

Congrats on your new gadget!


One good www page about N95. You can find it useful as it is using same S60 3s:
http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/tipsn95.htm

Here is some further info. Useful forum:
http://www.symbian freak.com (remove space and put - between, it is not working when posted, don't know why)

You will like this one:
http://www.symbian-toys.com/

Quake 3D ( It didnt' work well for me on N95 but you can try. There are different feedbacks, same as for K850i) :
http://koti.mbnet.fi/hinkka/index.html

Very good player for S60:
http://coreplayer.com/

This are few bookmarks I've found. I'm sure you will manage to find some more. Good luck!




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Posted by -PERFECT-
In my country 329 Euro vs. 499 Euro, little difference? Anyhow i’ m happy with my k850 and his bugs!

Posted by soane28
Hows N82 sound quality through headphones? Much better than N95 or not a substantial difference? And is it louder than the N95? How much louder? Thanks.

[ This Message was edited by: soane28 on 2008-01-17 23:46 ]
Posted by mib1800

On 2008-01-17 23:42:16, -PERFECT- wrote:
In my country 329 Euro vs. 499 Euro, little difference? Anyhow i’ m happy with my k850 and his bugs!



In Singapore K850 cost 330euro and N82 cost 410euro.
Posted by Residentevil
Be an SE man and buy yourself a K850
Posted by kenoby
^^^ He's already on the dark side... May the force be with the rest!


Posted by Waspinator

On 2008-01-18 00:45:09, soane28 wrote:
Hows N82 sound quality through headphones? Much better than N95 or not a substantial difference? And is it louder than the N95? How much louder? Thanks.

[ This Message was edited by: soane28 on 2008-01-17 23:46 ]


Dude,the sound quality is slightly better than n95.But w810i beats it becoz of great bass reproduction.The earphones are crap.
Posted by mib1800

On 2008-01-18 06:41:41, Residentevil wrote:
Be an SE man and buy yourself a K850



I'll buy one for use as my backup phone when the price hits 200euro. (wont be long looking at how the K850 price has tumbled )
Posted by Waspinator
Some macro shots with the mighty N82.

http://s2.supload.com/free/20012008136.jpg/view/
http://s2.supload.com/free/20012008137.jpg/view/
http://s2.supload.com/free/20012008138.jpg/view/


[ This Message was edited by: Waspinator on 2008-01-20 13:18 ]
Posted by james77
N 82
Posted by Trentors

On 2008-01-13 04:51:21, plankgatan wrote:
trackID

flash themes

full size wallpaper

MUCH better Mediaplayer

MUCH better battery lifetime

LED lamp

MUCH better camera features

Java based, which means faster UI/menys

much better screen, (so much for all 16 mill colors).....see here;
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9729/namnlsxj0.jpg


_________________
I K850, W810 & T29
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____________________________________
(t610, t630, k700, k750, k800, k810)


[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-01-13 03:56 ]


TrackID
N82 is a SYMBIAN phone. You simply install Shazam ID that does exactly the same for free.

Full Size Wallpaper
The N82 has that as well.

Media Player
Well the player of K850 is far more attractive but is so damn slow. Just navigating through playlists is a pain. And there is no quick search for finding song. So you are not right,

Battery lifetime
No the K850 is only slightly better. But of course it is much better when 3G is disabled but who wants to do that?


LED lamp
The K850 is ONLY useful as a torch lamp. When recording video you have to put is so close to peoples faces that is is useless. The K850 will also automatically switch the LED on and use night mode when it finds it necessary. But the quality of these two combined doesn't even match the N82 standard video, which also seems to be more light sensitive.

Much better camera features
Only feature that differs is BestPic and I find it rather useless myself. I have never found the need for it even though I have had the option to use it for a long time now. And lets not forget it is practically useless indoor.
Besides the N82 has VGA video at 30 FPS which IS the killer feature and much better flash so I can't see your point.

Java based vs. Symbian
Again your lack of experience is rather obvious. The K850 IS NOT faster than the N82. And especially the camera and media player on the K850 is so absurdly slow that you have to be kidding. My main issue with the K850 and the main reason I prefer N82 is actually the abysmal speed of K850.


But the K850 has higher contrast - no doubt. But it also seems a bit artificial like when using too high contrast on a LCD television.


Try the phones yourself instead of just believing everything you read. People CAN be biased you know...


[ This Message was edited by: Trentors on 2008-01-20 13:28 ]
Posted by Trentors
I have both phones and I prefer the N82 even though I am a longtime SE fan and haven't had a Nokia in years.

Reasons:
The camera cover on the K850 is the single worst design dessicion I have ever encountered on a high-end mobile phone from SE. Dust will get stuck inside it and you will need to wipe it clean before every use - which completely eliminates the reason for putting a cover in the first place.

It is MUCH more stable especially when it comes to the camera. No dark pictures here.

The N82 is faster. It shouldn't be but is is.

VGA video. The N82's video is absurdly superior.

TV-out on the N82 is a nice feature. It even outputs videos recorded in VGA at 640x480.

Wifi and GPS that simply works brilliant.

Powerfull stereo speakers that are not muffled when the phone lies on a soft surface (unlike k850 which you shouldn't leave in your bed if you insist on hearing it).

A proper browser.

YouTube and Skype. Not possible on K850.

The videoplayback on K850 is useless because it only supports absurdly low bitrates to avoid sync problems.

The flash of N82 is much more powerfull. The picture quality is very alike but you simply can't trust the K850 camera. It overexposes or starts the flash to late very often.

I love Nokia's micro-chargers which can actually fit in you pockets.


And unlike other Nokias, the N82 is excellent build, has great battery, great screen with excellent contrast (unlike the original N95) and the interface is fast.


SE...what the hell happened. Forgot your old core users need for features instead of pretty designs. SE is turning into Samsung and I could cry!

[ This Message was edited by: Trentors on 2008-01-21 07:34 ]
Posted by technical-expert
@Trentors

3.5mm jack
Lots of 3rd party applications
N gage 3D gaming with accelerometer


[ This Message was edited by: itouch on 2008-01-20 13:36 ]
Posted by Waspinator
The media player of N82 is just ok.If you are running a song and want to scroll through all songs,then you have to go music menu.

[ This Message was edited by: Waspinator on 2008-01-20 13:56 ]
Posted by kenoby
"SE is turning into SAMSUNG"

You couldn't be more true. N95 8Gb compared to N82 is far inferior and costs 50% more... Same they did when I bought N95. Then they released N95 8Gb and I bought one to my wife, cause of the camera. And now they release N82, far superior to any of the above mentioned... For less money... And all in less than 6 months.... And you can see the grief here when you calculate how much money is this.. Both N95 are generic.. Now the are worth sh**t here..
It is hard to be a proud owner of a NOKIA top end phone. SE might be buggy but it is much cheaper....
Posted by mib1800
I dont think N82 "is far superior" than N95 8G. Both are about same - one with gargantum screen and one with xenon.
Posted by sesukaku
trentors.. in the link that you post.. its interesting how you say the screen is better on N82 than K850. But on the pics, you can clearly see K850 is not only brighter, but also much more vivid and lively (and the text mention that too..)
Posted by BobaFett
"SE might be buggy but it is much cheaper...."

might be, but aslong u sell an se, u sell 5 times more nokia. lets not focus atm on se fans, more on general buyers. next to it, i didnt see anybody here ( austria ) yet with k850, even its out for so long time. ppl dont ask for it. i dotn even see it in mobile shops, there are maybe 2 for sale here in the city ( here are ca 10-12 mobile shops ) ppl dónt even ask for it...
Posted by Trentors
@sesukaku
Nobody claims the N82 screen is better than K850. Where did you get that?? K850 has higher contrast and more vivid colors. But I have to say it looks more artificial - but I still prefer its looks over the N82's screen. Ironic isn't it? Everybody is ditching Nokias for having to artificial and over-vivid picture quality when using the camera but nobody questions the fact that SE's screen have a tendency to do the same...


The N82 pictures does not do it justice BTW. I am sitting with both phones right now and they are displaying the same picture. And the N82 is not as bad as the biased link want you to think.
Posted by mib1800
...a summary

Plus for N82
1. Takes better photo both in daylight and low light with stronger flash + better camera cover
2. Much better video rec vga 30fps (4x more pixels)
3. WIFI
4. GPS
5. Faster UI speed
6. Bigger Screen size (2.4in) 16m color
7. TV-out
8. Standard 3.5mm jack
9. Stereo speakers
10. Better video playback (higher bitrate/size) including native youtube.
11. Better accelerometer apps (e.g. pedometer, nokmote, flipsilent) + full UI rotation
12. Better PIM - unlimited contact/sms, office doc/pdf support
13. Full multi-tasking
14. Ngage platform
15. Unlimited expandability with Symbian S60 OS.


Plus for K850
1. Better battery life (only when 3G is turn off)
2. Support for North America's 3G band.
3. Cheaper
4. Brighter screen

Posted by kenoby

On 2008-01-21 06:43:36, BobaFett wrote:
"SE might be buggy but it is much cheaper...."

might be, but aslong u sell an se, u sell 5 times more nokia. lets not focus atm on se fans, more on general buyers. next to it, i didnt see anybody here ( austria ) yet with k850, even its out for so long time. ppl dont ask for it. i dotn even see it in mobile shops, there are maybe 2 for sale here in the city ( here are ca 10-12 mobile shops ) ppl dónt even ask for it...



I am not an SE fan Sometimes seems to look like it tho.. Without comparing the markets or anything, I just say my personal view. And pointing out how ridiculous sometimes is concerning the high end phones. I had and still have some Nokia high end phones and they just make me laugh now. I just bought the other day N82 for my father and just using it for a few mins. made me think again, I mind you, how big fool I am, buying two gens of N95 in less than a 6 months. It was a waste of money comparing to N82. Just my point.
Posted by yowtailo
It is sad how those SE fans can't face the fact... N82 beats KE850 in every way (maybe not the battery life). Go search online and read a freaking review for once....

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