Posted by accoleon
Good day all, this is my first post, and I hope it won't be a flame war, just my honest opinions about these 2 wonderful phones.
I bought my new Nokia 6610 less than 48hrs ago, I didn't regret it. Why so? Some comparisons:
Nokia <> Sony Ericsson
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4096 <> 256 colour screen
40 instrument (4cumulative) polyphonic ringtones <> Monophonic ringtones
Infrared, Cable, GPRS, WAP <> Bluetooth, Cable, Infrared, GPRS, WAP
Just some basic comparisons. Here's the rundown over my use of these 2:
Both phones excel in the 'basic qualities' of a mobile phone. The call quality is great in both phones, they have no serious software bugs. How about the miscellaneous features?
Picture phonebook.
I love the one in the T68i. You can set different pictures for different people in your phonebook, along with a different ringtone too. The 6610, unfortunately, does not have this feature, no setting of personal pictures or ringtones, only caller groups. And there are only 6-7 groups you can use. I also noticed that the caller group logos are a different class from 'normal pictures' in the gallery. You also can't use downloaded ringtones in callergroups, only preset ones. (A nokia dealer told me to expect software upgrades from Nokia to add picture phonebooks and such, currently, only 7650 has this feature. After all, SE added picture phonebooks only in later flash upgrades, if I'm not mistaken)
How about the mobile camera? The Nokia 6610/7210/6100 has the new Camera headset attachment, which is a tiny combination of handsfree and digicam camera, it looks pretty stylish. The Sony Ericsson T68i has the MCA series of Communicams, so both are on equal ground here. The Nokia's camera fits from the bottom of the phone, through its 'Pop-port' (looks like an ericsson, but the connectors are rubberised and secured using 2 metal locks, very snug, compared to SE's modules), and a wire running to the camera (you can hang it around your neck, its light and looks like a pendant).SE's camera is fitted directly on the bottom of the phone, and the usual shakiness of the modules apply.
Posted by accoleon
Continuing from the above post...
Polyphonic ringtones vs Monophonic
Polyphonic ringtones are great to have. They sound pleasing to the ears, its just a feature which the t68i didn't have at that time. Not essential, but fun to play with. (They aren't as loud as monophonic tones though).
And some personal opinions:
I don't really like the camera attachments for both phones. Why? I found it much better to have a digicam to take pictures with, then edit the picture specifically for the phone - it will look better than taking it with the camera direct. (That's just me, really. I like trouble sometimes lol)
I really love the hpm-10 mp3 handsfree for SE. Wonderful thing. I realised that while taking the subway, radio reception (6610) ain't too good most of the time. I prefer listening to my own collection anyway. Just a pity the module attachment is kind of loose. Nokia's 'Pop-port' is a really great design.
Both phones are great. There's no such thing as perfect to me in this world, different phones suit different needs. I will take my t68i for work and general usage. When night comes and I go out to have fun, the attention-grabbing capabilities of the 6610's colour screen and poly ringtones are great.
Also some things to clear up:
You can transfer images and ringtones via IR from your PC. Nokia PC Suite 5 officially supports it.
The reason 7650 colour screen looks better is because its an active matrix LCD, while the 7210/6610/6100 has the so called 'passive matrix' (similar to SE). Also, the 7650 adjusts its brightness automatically. (Got the above info from a phone technician)
Problem: My Ir adapter (USB-IRdA) works perfectly well with my PDAs, Laptops, and the t68i. but for some unknown reason, it doesn't like Nokia phones at all. It would detect the phone, the moment a transfer starts, the phone disconnects and such. Anyone else faced such a problem?
I hope for no flames, and welcome anyone who had experiences with different phones to share. (I wanted to buy the P800, but its not out in SE Asia yet, not to mention its going to be really pricey).
Posted by Jowi
6610 doesnt hv bluetooth-t68 has hpr11/20 as radio attachment
Posted by accoleon
Yep, 6610 doesn't have bluetooth. Wasn't that in the first post? Hmmm.
Nokia also has mp3/radio modules available, but I'm not sure if they are compatible with the 6610. (Probably not)
Posted by Dj Boyi
Glad to see ur keeping ur t68i :-D
Posted by Silex
Well, T68 is having bluetooth, right. But is it an asset? Not sure.
When I bought my T68 14 months ago, it was for two reasons : colour screen and bluetooth. I though that I would use bluetooth a lot, as it seemed to be a great standard. But if I look back, I've never used it!
Now, I'm thinking of getting a Nokia 6100 which has the same features as 6610 in a smaller phone. I'm just desapointed that it hasn't got picturephonebooking. But my T68 is getting old and the joystick is not working fine anymore. (when I want to go down, it clicks instead of going down, most of the time).
I think that T68 is getting older compared with the newcomers (Panasonic GD87, Nokia 7210/6610/6100, etc.) and SonyEricsson is doing nothing to counter the competition. (P800 was sooo delayed and it's just the 7650 counterpart)
Well, seems like Esato is deading, but guys... SonyEricsson isn't alive since months now!
Posted by GOwin
@silex
the P800 is not a counterpart of the 7650. you can't compare apples to oranges.
though nokia is trying to sell the 7650 as a smartphone, it really isn't. but if you believe that the 7650 is a smartphone, then the P800 is the SMARTERphone
(anyway, the P800 is out in some markets already.)
Posted by omar302
Nokia phones dont have animated Gif's,
The IR connection with a pc must be through certain softwares,
Pics/melodies in phone can only be sent via mms to another phone and it cannot recieve from any phone, not even other nokias.
In mms compositon you cant add pages, add ringtone, change background colour or a time.
The T68i has animated Gif's.
No need for any software to send files from or to the phone as long its a valid file.
You can send pics/melodies/voice memoes via Ir/Blueetooth
This is what i could remeber at the moment.
Posted by Swag
With a tiny free app, you can use animated gifs with the 7650. No problem. It is so wrong to compare the t68i and 7650. The 7650 wins in every aspect. I have both.
Posted by Swag
With a tiny free app, you can use animated gifs with the 7650. No problem. It is so wrong to compare the t68i and 7650. The 7650 wins in every aspect. I have both.
Posted by nwmq1
"Problem: My Ir adapter (USB-IRdA) works perfectly well with my PDAs, Laptops, and the t68i. but for some unknown reason, it doesn't like Nokia phones at all. It would detect the phone, the moment a transfer starts, the phone disconnects and such. Anyone else faced such a problem?"
well, not a similar problem, just know that 7650 don't like IPaqs... and probably, couldn't send or recieve (don't remember which) pictures from it...
Posted by omar302
The T68i works with IR\s connection of a pc like an another pc. Where as Nokia's IR needs a program to be able to send or recieve pics.
Try for example to snd a business card from a nokia to the IR of a pc and it will recieve it, and vice versa. But for pics and mlodies, apparntly Nokia does not send it as a normal file, but it converts it to somthing and thn it is converted back using that program and vice versa.
And my comparison is based on a 7210 sinse i know atleast 3 people who hav them.
Posted by shithappens
@accoleon
Well said my friend...well said....one of the most objective 'reviews' ever....
Posted by jr_rca
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its like david and goliath...7650 is big and t68 is small but for me smarter when it comes to mms...no addtional app to use. i have both too. for me t68 still has advantages for user like me.
Posted by accoleon
Frankly, comparing phones to each other is finicky business. The mobile companies don't openly contest their phone models against each other, so why should we?
It is, definitely, unfair to compare the Nokia 7650 to the Sony Ericsson T68i (former Ericsson T68m). Just look at the dates, they were conceived and manufactured so far apart from each other (in chronological terms).
I didn't know Nokia marketed the 7650 as a 'smart' phone, but imho, what's smart depends on who the person is. A teenager who likes to go clubbing would think that polyphonic ringtones, colours, changeable colours are real smart and trendy, while a high-flying executive would like the classic keypads and colours, smaller size, connectivity functions (infrared/bluetooth for syncing with his laptop and palm/ppc, WAP/GPRS for mobile surfing), subtlelity (is there such a word) in small form factors, long lasting battery life. It really depends on what the phone is used for.
I read the news (somewhere, i forgot) that the SE P800 is already shipping in the Northern Europe/Scandinavian countries and Hong Kong. But not until early 2003 will it reach most other markets. I live in Singapore, so it ain't too bad (SG has quite a prolific mobile market). The main reasons for buying the 6610 instead of waiting for the P800 are:
Size: 6610, though not a tiny phone, fits completely into my shirt/pants pocket (my t68i with the mp3 module is kind of long and unwieldy though).
Cost: The 6610 is just a couple of minor revisions over the 7210 (which i found out had a auto-power off bug in certain batches). Thus, it is available quite cheaply almost anywhere (About $650 SGD, which is equivalent to $372 USD.) This is quite a sweet deal for a 4k colour phone with polyphonic ringtones, GPRS, Radio, Camera attachments, small and such. On the other hand, I still don't know the price of a P800. I expect it to be well over $700USD. That's over 1.2k SGD. Very hurting on the wallet.
Time: I can buy the 6610 now. I can only buy the P800 later.
Purpose: The 6610 fulfills all my current needs at the moment, so its well worth the money. The P800 has video playback (which i don't use) and a wide variety of other great features which I do not know of at the moment and thus, I do not need now.
Posted by Raven
@accoleon, the 7650 isn't advertised as a \"smartphone\", but as an imaging-phone. That's nokias choice. Perhaps they think that'll interest more people. BUT that doesn't mean it isn't a smartphone! Why? - because of symbian. If you visit a nokia 7650 forum, i can assure you that you'll find that the average age and level of expertise is much higher there than in a t68i forum.
Posted by toyboy
I think that SE rules but true to say that Nokia is much better in design and look.
Posted by HIgher_168
Nokia should've made bluetooth standard in all the new phnes theyr releasing. My gurl has the 7210 and i cant transfer pics and polytones frm my 7650 to her phne, pretty dsappointng.
Posted by T68iFan
@accoleon
Thanks for your detailed reviews. I was especially interested in the picturebooking issue.
Screen resolution, bluetooth and pc/device connectivity are also important to me.
What I'm hoping is for some US carrier to begin carrying the P800. Then I can jump from the T68i to the P800. Just hope it dosen't cost too much.
T68iFan
[ This Message was edited by: T68iFan on 2002-12-21 06:41 ]
Posted by accoleon
I also solved my IR via Nokia problems.
It seems that changing the transceiver type from Infineon (default for my IRJack USB-IrDa) to Vishay 6101E, and changing from Advanced Configuration and Power Interface PC (default driver for win2k/xp)to a Standard PC. I believe its the issue between USB IRQ hunting and Nokia's software.
@Raven, I didn't watch Nokia's advertisements too closely lol. But definitely, Symbian's a wonderful addition to Nokia's phones. Its open source too I believe. That's the main reason why their forums have greater expertise. The SE phones, on the other hand, features, tips/tricks and technical data has to be fished out of the phone by users
Hope this helps.
[ This Message was edited by: accoleon on 2002-12-21 08:12 ]