Posted by Dogmann
Hi all,
So it is now just a month since being able to debrand my device and start running unbranded Firmware and yes IMHO it does make a huge difference to the devices performance.
I have already mentioned in part one the amount of free Ram on boot up and that is still the same no changes there due to the new Firmware. But the apps i have installed and am running this has now changed, i am now using Seven Push E-Mail and the Wireless Keyboard app both of which Auto start on Boot up and means i now get 85.6mb of free Ram on boot up still more than enough for even heavy use.
I have still not had a single crash freeze or out of memory error to date and i consider a drop of just 5.4mb of Ram when running Push E-Mail, the Wireless Keyboard app and WiFi to be quite reasonable.
I am no longer using Windows Live Messenger as the need for this has been replaced by Seven always on push E-Mail as this is now able to have both my MSN and Yahoo accounts, the options available are varied you can not only set up when you want your email pushed both weekdays and weekends can have different settings and there is a huge range of choices for which connections the program should use or not use for that matter. Seven is currently a free solution as is in Beta, i will do a full review of this app in another thread as don't won't to distract from the purpose of this thread.
The apps i now have installed are,
Seven Always On for Push E-Mail.
WorldMate for Weather Forecasts.
Handy Clock for Multiple Alarms.
Handy Taskman now mainly just for information as i no longer need to close or kill apps.
Fring for Skype and Skype out calls although you can do much more with this app.
Best ScreenSnap for screen capture.
Tom Tom Mobile 6 Sat Nav mapping and voice directions.
emTube YouTube app that allows full searching and playing of You Tube Video.
I am still using the inbuilt Calendar app as for my needs it does all i need
and does it well even though i have a free copy of Papyrus i have yet to use it.
The in built Web Browser is still IMO one of the best and possibly only bettered by the Safari Browser found in the iPhone.
As mentioned above all my E-Mail is all now handled by Seven Push E-Mail and this app really does it well with one of the simplest setups i have come across. All the user needs to do is choose the E-Mail providers you want to have your mail pushed from and enter your user name and password that's it. After this you are free to customise the settings to suit your needs both by the hours in which it is pushed and the connection options you want used or not which is the users choice.
I use Worldmate purely for the Weather forecast app and have it set for 3 times a day updates with two of these being read out.
Handy Clock handles all my multiple alarm needs and you can set your own alarm tones and just works as it should.
Handy Taskman is now only used for information as is no longer needed to free up Ram as with the N95 8GB and demand paging this is no longer a problem.
Fring is IMO a truly great free app and gives me the ability to make free Skype to Skype calls and Skype Out calls when needed it also offers many more options to if you should need them including, MSN Messenger, ICQ, SIP, Google Talk, Twitter, Yahoo, AIM.
Best ScreenSnap does what it says and enables you to capture your screen so you can show and post various screens from your device.
Tom Tom 6 is my preferred Sat Nav software as IMO has the best Maps and accurate voice directions although it doesn't work with the internal GPS even with the improvements of AGPS this is not my preference and i use an external GPS receiver which i feel is faster and more accurate but this really is just my preference.
Now em tube is a new app i have only had a few days but so far i am very impressed as it brings full YouTube functionality to my device and i must say it works perfectly with excellent quality including use of the accelometer to, which allows it to change from portrait to landscape by just moving your device all without the need to install anything extra or get it signed .
Now initially when i first started using the N95 8GB i was more than satisfied with the Music Player and still think both the look and usability of it is great it is also extremely easy to add Album Art. The quality with a decent set of headphones also produces good results and i was ready to sell my iPod. But just prior to actually selling my iPod i decided to try it for one last comparison and found that as a dedicated Music Player it is indeed better than even one of the most advanced Multimedia smart phones so have decided to keep it for my Music needs.
Video playback on the N95 8GB is excellent and much better than the iPod the screen is far superior so all my Video needs are handled by the N95 and encoded in Mp4 h.264 gives truly stunning results IMO.
So far i have only found one bug on my N95 8GB which was that i couldn't delete Album Titles and as i am no longer using it for my Music this is no longer a problem for me. If i was to say there was one problem with the N95 8GB it would be that file transfer in Mass memory mode is not as fast as it could be but yet again it really is not that bad and i can live with it.
Using the SU-8W Bluetooth Keyboard greatly improves Data entry over useing the key pad on the N95 8GB and allows full navigation of the entire device just turn it on and off you go as long as you leave Bluetooth running that is all you need to do and as the Bluetooth is not searching it really uses very little power whilst idol.
Lastly the N95 8GB looks stunning IMO and the build quality is also very good even the slider is solid it boots extremely quickly for a smart phone and navigation between apps is also smooth and fast there really is no delay or lags in anything it does, battery life is also greatly improved from the original and even with heavy use of WiFi and Bluetooth on constantly it still easily lasts day. It could possibly last longer but i just charge my device last thing at night and have never seen a low battery warning yet.
Would i recommend the N95 8GB yes without hesitation as it does everything you want without fuss and add the SU-8W and upgrade the QuickOffice and it is able to act as a good business device as well.
Marc
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Posted by Mr Miyagi
Great review. I have a question regarding the external gps reciever you use.what one is it?and do you recommend it?i might get it for my n73 or for my next nokia device which i am debatin if it should be n95 8gig or n82 or somethin better that nokia will have,come april time when i can upgrade.
Posted by BobaFett
great review marc, congrat
Posted by Dogmann
@Mr Miyagi
I use a Holox BT-321 and have had it quite a while but i don't think this model is available any longer but they do have newer models the battery life is really good and it is small yet very powerful.
Marc
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Posted by vabopi
Do you use an antivirus? What would you recommend? I had installed the demo version of F-Secure since end November when I got my N95 8GB, but it expired 31Dez. It seemed ok, but I cannot possibly evaluate the efficiency, I had no virus at all. It looks good, however each time I switch on the phone, not often in fact, I freezes for some 20 seconds in the main menu before allowing to continue. This only happens once each time the phone reboots, so it's only a little annoying, nothing serious.
Since my antivirus expired I'm on the process of choosing a new one. Free if possible...
Another issue, perhaps a bug in Google Maps, is that while it's running, if we press * the phone reboots without warning...
Posted by SIGHUP
@Dogmann
I also installed Handy Clock on my N95-2, but I found out you can have multiple alarms on the stock OS. So now I only use Handy Clock for multiple time zones and the timer feature.
I prefer the stock alarm because it will ring even if the phone is "off." Lets not begin a flame war on why I would turn my phone off or what not. But obviously Handy Clock cannot run in memory when off, unless I'm mistaken.
Also unless the OS can run Handy Clock I risk forgetting to open the application, thus missing a wake up call.
Posted by mib1800
handyclock runs its own daemon "ClockAlarmServer". So it will not work when turn off. I think the built-in one is better, but for me I have no choice but to use Handyclock as the built in ones seems to clash with BestProfiles scheduling.
Posted by Dogmann
@vabopi
There are currently No Viruses for S60 3rd Edition and all that using an anti virus program will do is waste your devcies resources and your money if you buy one. This is not only MO but that of many people all around the Forums there really is no need to install and run any program for this.
Marc
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Posted by Dogmann
@SIGHUP
I only still use Handy Clock because it is what i am used to and i already have the app, plus i never turn my devcie off so that problem doesn't occur for me.
As i have mentioned elsewhere there is also now another new firmware for our devices V15.
Marc
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Posted by GUCCI.011
Yep theres no viruses for S60 3rd Edition and it looks like the S60v3.1 os9.2 phones don't even come with anti-virus apps like the S60v3.0 os9.1 phones did. My N81 and mates N95-8GB didn't come with anti-virus sw but i remember my N80 and mates N91 came with F-Secure.
Posted by BobaFett
is tomtom working fine in n98 8gb? doesnt it matter that the maps should be on a mem card?
Posted by Dogmann
Hi Boba,
Tom Tom 6 is working fine on the N95 8gb it runs fast and smooth with no problems and every thing is installed on the Mass memory with no problems at all.
Marc
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Posted by vabopi
@Dogmann
Thank you once more. As a newcomer to N60 3rd Ed. I had no idea N95 8GB could pass without an antivirus...
Posted by Dogmann
Hi all
OK so now Nokia have released a second firmware for the N95 8GB and with it some major improvements. Personally i always reformat the Mass Memory and treat my devcie as brand new again i do not restore anything at all. I just sync my device with the PC Suite which returns all my Calendar and contacts and also returns all my Mobile Bookmarks. Also now that i am using Life Blog it returned all my pictures to my device along with my saved SMS messages that are the configuration files for both Fring and Seven all ways on E-Mail.
Well the download was 107.4mb and to my surprise this time i was able to update using my current Vista Laptop with no problems. Once done i carried out the above actions and installed my remaining apps and activated them. Now the first improvement became obvious on transferring my Documents and PDF's as well as all my Music Video's, Films and episodes of the Simpson's i noticed that Data transfer is now much faster maybe still not as fast as using a memory card in a memory card reader but a great improvement on how long it used to take.
Once everything was reinstalled ans set up it was time to explore the first thing i noticed was that menu's and apps now open even faster than before, the Gallery app was the first i noticed the difference in as not only does it now open faster but all thumbnails are now shown virtually immediately no waiting as they slowly refresh.
The second app i tested which was reported to have increased speed is the Search app which again now opens much faster than previously. Then comes possibly the biggest change and one that no one was expecting to happen with the current devcies Nokia have managed to install Flash Lite 3.0 in the native browser. This means we can watch and search YouTube not a cut down version with selected apps but proper YouTube Video's are all now available and search able and all from the native browser it also means any other websites that use Flash can also be viewed without any problems.
Start up time is unaffected and still approx 22 seconds i haven't used the camera yet so can't say if there are any improvements with it or not. Now the final addition with this new firmware i really wasn't sure what it meant but it is
The Web Run Time (WRT) application, this is the run time for Nokia's new Widget platform. Widgets are applications that look like normal S60 applications but are powered by the same engine as the Web browser. They are written using HTML, CSS and Javascript web technologies traditionally used in writing web sites.
Now i really wasn't sure what this actually meant or how it worked but having searched Nokia's MOSH i managed to find a couple of apps to try the first one is a Battery Meter Widget that i downloaded to my computer and then just copied over to the Mass Memory and then from applications installed here are a screen shot of it and also the other app i found which is a Signal Meter Widget.
Well at least now Island Pro will be able to keep track of just how much battery life he has now, i will explore and see just what other Widgets are available but am sure as time progresses will will see more of these apps starting to appear there is a Weather app but as i am already using World Mate that really wasn't of any interest to me. But i will report back here just what other apps there are as i find them.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-01-04 19:12 ]
Posted by voda_jon
just downloaded the update gotta say whole phone is running a little quicker and the widgets are ace lol... searched for widget and it brings up loads of little ones to install... only done the battery, signal and memory amount ones for now.
J.
Posted by SIGHUP
Sounds good, I'm still waiting for anymore bugs or slowdowns compared to the older firmware.
Thanks for sharing. Let us know camera speed for sure.
Posted by Dogmann
@SIGHUP
Still the only bug i have ever found on the N95 8gb was not being able to delete Album Folders in the Music Player, as for speed the Gallery app is much faster and all thumbnails refresh quicker to. The same goes for the search app that also opens much quicker now and the whole devcie also appears to be slightly quicker and smoother. There really are no disadvantages to this latest upgrade at all IMO.
Marc
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Posted by SIGHUP
Thats just what i wanted to hear. After all your original review prompted me to get this phone. Ive had three crashes and some delays when opening gallery and music player. But its not like they happen all the time. I am selling this phone because im getting the nam version.
Posted by borisisinvin
Hey Dogmann. I read on another site yesterday about the new firmware release for the N95 8GB. I went to Nokia's website to update my phone after reading about it, but could only find the first update which I updated my phone to. How and where did you find the new firmware update? I keep looking in the phone software update portion of Nokia's UK site but can't find it, or any mention of it anywhere... Was it done OTA? Nokia doesn't support OTA updates here in the states yet (I called and a customer service rep told me so), so if that's the case I guess I'm SOL...
Posted by BobaFett
is your fone maybe branded?
Posted by borisisinvin
Nah, I bought it new and unlocked on eBay. It's a NAM N95 8GB, and I was able to update it to the first available update with no problems using a PC and Nokia's Update Software. However, the problem now is that I can't seem to see any evidence of the new software on Nokia's UK site using my computers web browser, and when I connect my N95 8GB to the PC and use the software updater on the PC to update it it says that I have the latest software (which is the old one)...
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Posted by pow1990
I also cannot update, however i am on vodafone so i may take a while. Does anyone know how long it usually takes for an update to come out for the network?
Posted by Dogmann
@borisisinvin
I didn't realise the North American Version was already realised but as it has a different product code maybe Nokia have not realeased it as yet. Sorry i can't be of any more help than that just keep checking or look at Howard Forums as I'm sure some one will mention it once it is available.
@pow1990
Networks are notoriously slow at approving updates and some times they don't at all, but unless you have a really good reason to keep the awful Voda branding i would seriously advise debranding your devcie as although Voda branding doesn't appear to bad on the surface IMO it really is and a debranded device is really much better and not just because you can get the firmware when it is first available either. Look on the Forum where you can find both all the product codes and also a simple debranding guide.
Marc
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Posted by borisisinvin
Oh yeah, I got it the week the N95 8GB came out. I think Nokia did a simultaneous release of all of the N95 8GB across all of the regions on this one, so I've had my NAM N95 8GB pretty much from the get go. I never really thought of the fact that it might not work because I'm using A NAM version versus a European one, though it did let me update it to the previous firmware using Nokia's UK updater software (even though I do have a NAM N95 8GB, Nokia USA's site doesn't show any support for it under the sofware updater portion of their site
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Posted by voda_jon
its also possible that the NAM version has to go through localisation for the US before it is released for NAM phones.
Language etc and also certain features would need to be added and taken away and the obv is the use of different network protocols means it may take a bit longer as well...
hope this helps a bit!
Posted by jackdaniels
Just purchased the 3 version and was wondering is it ok to change the product code and update it? I heard that there is problems with the 3 network when you debrand the handsets.
Posted by Dogmann
@borisisinvin
Are you sure you have a NAM N95 8GB as from all i have read it isn't even due for release till late January early February so am a little surprised you have one already.
Marc
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Posted by islandprd
On 2008-01-05 01:35:00, SIGHUP wrote:
Sounds good, I'm still waiting for anymore bugs or slowdowns compared to the older firmware.
Thanks for sharing. Let us know camera speed for sure.
Updated mine. Hanged 3 times. cannot see any significant diff in speed while opening image gallery. No diff on cam speed. Battery widgets is no use. It is just translating the erratic battery bar into percentage.
Posted by vabopi
I've updated the firmware and perhaps because of that I now have serious problems using the camera. It seems that the recording process to the mass memory cannot cope with the amount of bytes involved, and in video mode recording the image freezes after about 5 secs, not the audio, then continues for a few secs more etc. When I stop recording it takes ages to finish processing the recording. On photo mode the delay in processing the image is also abnormal, very noticeable if I take photos in bursts. For example a burst of 5 pictures takes some 15 secs to save in mass memory.
Changing the memory in use to phone memory none of these problems ocur. I have reset the camera, reset the phone, formatted mass memory, nothing works...
And by the way, the Content Copier of the Nokia NSeries PCSuite is in my case completely useless. It makes the backups, but when trying to restore, it makes my PC reboot !!! Tried several times always with he same result.
Another problem I have to add to my already very problematic experience with Nokia PC software.
Beware: test RESTORE before relying on Content Copier.
Any sugestion regarding my camera problem is wellcome, since the amount of space of the phone memory is not enough to record many videos and photos.
Posted by bulukaki
question:
after the latest firmware update, does the phone usually shuts itself off? just wondering because my husband's phone always does that, especially when it stays in his pants pocket. but when it's pocketed somewhere else (jacket, my bag, etc) the chance of the phone turning itself off were probably 1:5
anyone knows why?
Posted by Paul_C
Its available on O2 now
Dont know what to do, I think if I ditch SE I will regret it!
Posted by vabopi
Does anybody know if the front cover of the N95 8GB (sold as a replacement part) includes the "glass" over the screen?
This is because I don't like to use screen protectors, and when the screen becomes scratched, can I replace it?
Posted by fyford
Hi Guys,
I have finally packed it in and switched to Nokia since being with SE since '92 and all that bla bla. I have a couple of questions regarding the N95-8gb (which is what I now have).
I have always been using FME / MyPhoneExplorer with the SE's for texting etc. straight from the pc. Is there anything similar for the Nokias?
What have you guys found to be the best phone case? I used a body-glove sleeve for the past 7 years and that worked a treat, but this beast does not quite fit in it... closest I can find is one of these phone socks..... not too sure about that one!
Cheers
Posted by abbasakhtar
of course, theres plenty of n95 8gb covers out there and cases to protect them, check out ebay
and yeah the nokia pc suite lets you run phone operations from your pc like contact management, sending txts, reading, etc.
Posted by Benfrain
Few months on - N95 - the mutt's nuts or the dog's dinner?
Before I leap in and get a N95 8GB can some of the people who have had the handset a while give their honest opinions...
I'm with Orange and as you might imagine, with them always being last to get the latest handsets, the reps in the Orange shop say it isn't out yet because it is too unstable etc
Is there any truth in that? Is it a stable device? Or do things crash on it regularly?
Posted by vabopi
@ fyford
I am in a similar situation. Loved my SE phones but last November couldn't resist to the N95 8GB...
Beware of the Nokia PC sofware. If you are lucky and all the applications run (Nokia PCSuite or the even heavier NSeries PCSuite), you will miss the simplicity and effectiveness of MPE (my favourite) or FMA.
A 3rd party sw - Oxygen - deserves a try, however the standard version has a price of almost €50. Google it.
@ Benfrain
It seems that what is unstable is the Orange sw they want to use...
I have had 2 or 3 problems with my N95 8GB, not unstability, and probably due to the fact that I have tested in it lots of different sw. So far I managed to overcome those problems. It's a work horse.
I use it a lot since November, and have not regretted this buy anytime, even in the worst moments. I bought it unbranded in Asia, and changed to Euro1 a few days later.
[ This Message was edited by: vabopi on 2008-01-23 00:25 ]
Posted by mib1800
On 2008-01-22 22:51:06, fyford wrote:
Hi Guys,
I have always been using FME / MyPhoneExplorer with the SE's for texting etc. straight from the pc. Is there anything similar for the Nokias?
Cheers
Nokia PC Suite has all this. You dont need any 3rd software for this basic things. And it is very easy to use. Just click on the icon and way you go..
Posted by SIGHUP
Honestly speaking. . .
I miss SE and its battery life. But I do not want to into another smartphone vs. dumbphone debate.
Sometimes a simple SE is all you need. But then again all the features of the N95 8GB are just awesome. Take just now for example. We were watching some episodes over the tv out feature. I am connected the the internet through a bluetooth connection to my laptop on this phone to send this message.
As heavy user as I am, the device needs charging every night. Just when I miss the torch feature that some SEs offer, then the 30 fps VGA video recording kicks in.
So in order of importance
What do I miss? (Drawbacks)
Torch!
Battery Life
Sony Mega Bass
What do I like in the N95 8GB? (Benefits)
2.8" Screen
30 fps VGA video recording
5MPX Camera
TV-out
2.8" Screen
Ability to install S60 apps
2.8" Screen
So its a trade off. There is no perfect device yet, unless SE comes out with it.
Like I said before, the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.
Posted by islandprd
We hear you alright, 2.8" screen
Have you upgrade your fw? Mine ocassionally have some booting up problem when connecting to a bluetooth headset even after reflashing it
Posted by voda_jon
i've not had any probs with my N95-8Gb since having it (updated to v15 firmare) and have around 4gb of music and loads of apps running all the time....
Theres loads of software to make this phone even better and apps like papyrus, rotateme, nokmote and flip silent make this phone miles ahead of any competitor!!!!
Plus download the PC Phone app from Nokia Beta Labs (google it) and you can send and recieve txts from firefox browser as long as your phone is connected via bluetooth or cable.
Posted by fyford
Cheers guys for all the tips, will have a look at them shortly!
What I can add is the cracking Upnp functionality on the N95-8gb. Guessing it works the same with the other Nokias that support upnp. I have a media server (MediaTomb on my pc - but WinAmp Remote and Windows Media Player can do the same) serving all my music, photos and movies which I can directly access from anywhere within my wi-fi coverage at home, directly on the phone.
Ok I have yet to get the movies to run, but just having access to all my music in this way is pretty cool as I can lounge in the garden with a good book and I am not limited to the music on the phone! Further I can controll my wi-fi radio (MusicPal - google it) from the phone - more than a gimmick I suppose, but still pretty impressive!
Posted by Gizmo47
I now have the n95 8gb as an upgrade from vodafone and have updated to v15 firmware so it is debranded, i thought this would unlock it for all sims as well but it doesn't seem to be. What would be the best way to unlock it as well?
Btw the phone is great, i had a n95 before anyway and the black one is definitely better although the screen which is obviously bigger but i find it is not as sharp as the orignal n95 screen. It has to be time for vga screens soon.
Posted by spirit3102
i cant seem to install tom tom 6 on my Nokia N95 8gb. i can seem to intsall the 'private' file and some of the sys files. i have installed it beofre on the n80 and the n95 standard but copied it straight to the memory card. however i am having problem copying direct to the phone (n95 8GB), can some one email me and help me out. thanks in advance......
Posted by Wuz
On 2008-01-23 00:07:09, Benfrain wrote:
Few months on - N95 - the mutt's nuts or the dog's dinner?
Before I leap in and get a N95 8GB can some of the people who have had the handset a while give their honest opinions...
I'm with Orange and as you might imagine, with them always being last to get the latest handsets, the reps in the Orange shop say it isn't out yet because it is too unstable etc
Is there any truth in that? Is it a stable device? Or do things crash on it regularly?
Benfrain - I too am with Orange and have been waiting for them to bring this out. Did you get the impression from the reps that you spoke to that they were definetly going to bring it out once they had solved the software problems...or is is going to go the way of so many other high end phones and not appear at all on Orange?
-Also, have you considered the Samsung i780? - Its coming out on Orange in the next week or so and looks pretty similar in terms of specs?
Posted by Mr Miyagi
Wuz what software problems are you talking about? There is hardly any software problems with the N95 8GIG. The only software problems der is, is when orange puts der own software on the handset.
Posted by Wuz
I know - those are the ones I am referring to.
Posted by itfc
Just a question regarding the tv out socket. If I have mobile tv on my n95 can I use the tv out socket to transfer to tv screen or pc during live output?
I am just debating whether to subscribe to mobile tv or not.
cheers,
Andy
Posted by Miss UK
Marc when you had your phone how long did you recharge it for?
Posted by BobaFett
u mean the battery?
Posted by Miss UK
Yep Boba,
I left it to charge from about 2.30 till 8.30pm when it came this week
it was recharged within a hour btw it made me jump lol