Posted by MOBILEPOLICE
The current batch of nokia handsets i.e:N81/N82 ect the build quality is phenomenal not so with sony ericsson handsets.what do you think?
Posted by xironghostx
Both nokia and SE have very bad buildquality.
Posted by MOBILEPOLICE
i'm trying to compare the build quality of both with each other.
Posted by >500
On 2007-12-04 15:04:21, MOBILEPOLICE wrote:
The current batch of nokia handsets i.e:N81/N82 ect the build quality is phenomenal not so with sony ericsson handsets.what do you think?
n81 has phenominal build quality? What you smoking
its shocking! the day my brother got it the battery cover was quite loose and moved easily, and the dpad buttons were creaky.....
and as said above, both companies arent great, i mean, they are both inconsistant, some phones have sturdy builds, others dont...
for good, consistant, build quality............. go Samsung!
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Posted by xironghostx
Maybe samsung have the best quality, but their phones are booooring to the ground..
Posted by MOBILEPOLICE
i can't tell you what i've been smoking thats personal but your welcome to take a puff or two with me if you wish.
I still think the Nokia build quality is better than the japanese they have never upto par with making quality goods.
Posted by >500
On 2007-12-04 15:16:20, MOBILEPOLICE wrote:
i can't tell you what i've been smoking thats personal but your welcome to take a puff or two with me if you wish.
I still think the Nokia build quality is better than the japanese they have never upto par with making quality goods.
nah, your too far away, ill stick to my own goods
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Posted by MOBILEPOLICE
i disagree japanese build quality in no way compares to electronics buit in europe for example: Bang & Olufson - BOSE ect.
Posted by HOBBS
My P990 is solidly built.Very impressed with it.Had it now plus minus 4-5 months and its just as good as the day I purchased it.The keys have taken a hammering and they still perfect.My memory door cover and spring have been manhandled cause I change fonts on a regular basis and its still almost perfect.No squeaks,loose bits ect ect Coating still perfect.Overall a great built phone.
Posted by BobaFett
thats right, real quality to find is europe the best place. b&o is the one of the last example for it.
but back to topic: now a days the quantity counts, not the quality. i am sad, that also noka saves costs, when it comes to it. se is poor plastic, not even wotrh to mention any of their devices. e50, n91 and some other designer nokia fones offer us some good built quality. but n95 is disappointing, way too poor and cheap built quality for the fones knowledge
Posted by MOBILEPOLICE
Have you seen the build quality on the Nokia E90?p990 is nothing in comparison.
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Posted by BobaFett
n90 is way too plastic, imo not the best quality. more those with the sainless stell covers. wondering why se dont release some steel coverd fones, even just some aparts. for example w950 or m600 would have deserved it
Posted by MOBILEPOLICE
Thats true sony ericsson is too much plastic.
Posted by plankgatan
some have better build quality then others......think Nokias have less phones who feels top-solid...)..(but they also have phones who have very good build quality)..
have more cheaper phones who feels more solid.
stake on:
Design, (both build quality and appearance),
Music,
Camera,
Simplicity, (clean, easy, menys)
Java based phones, (which means faster, easier UI, but less extra features)
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Nokia stake more on:
high tech features, (like gps, wlan, etc..)
symbian based smartphones (the ability to install a lots of programs yourself and a lots of functions..little slower UI)
Multimedia,
Video, (N93i....etc)....
Camera ???? !!!!! Nokia have only one phone (who also is brand new) with real flash..and thats N82... (so you cant say that Nokia have stake on the camera features before)
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Posted by whentheleveebreaks
Past experiances have shown me that SE build quality is very poor, every single SE hand set i own had to be replace 2 or 3 times per year, excluding the T68i which was fantasic, and still works!
Nokias never felt that well made but i never had to replace one.
The best build quality ive had on a phone is the iPhone by a country mile
Posted by BobaFett
one thing is fact. years ago, ppl bought mobiles for long time ( usage ) not as today. the market is different, ppl swap in average their mobiles every half year, so we are at the quantity again...
just look at /// gh388 or nokia 2110. those were times
Posted by plankgatan
i can use my t630, w810 & k800 like a hammer, they never breaks.....
(even my t610, k750, k810 & k850 feels solid.....but t630, w810 & k800 is number one)
you who say that Nokia make solid phones...just look at N95 original...what more can i say..terrible build quality, (and was realy expensive)...
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Posted by Seanyb2
Build quality varies from handset to handset. For instance the K800i has poor build quality but the W880i is superb. My Nokia 6300 has the most solid build i have ever seen in a phone but other Nokias have poor build. So its not just one manufactuer over the other its each phone is different.
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Posted by BobaFett
especially the k800 batt cover is very bad and easy to brake. also the m2 slots are generally poor made by se, that plastic thingy is a night mare. just look at w580 or k800.
of course other brands make disappointing solutions too, but when se is so proud of music and multimedia, then they should give more attention to those aparts like, like how to manage the mem cards
Posted by GUCCI.011
Lol, well the SEs ive had (W800, W900, W880) had great build quality, the W900 was a Tank it took A LOT of punishment yet the Swivel mechanisim remaind solid, the glossy parts only startd to get scratchs after 10months otherwise SE had done a super job with W900.
Got my N80 5months ago and its been great! Not the best build quality though the slider is pretty loose but not too bad, and the paint on the navi pad is chipping off a bit otherwise its as good as it was when i got it. memory card door is fine, and battery cover is also pretty good all in all the N80 and N95 (early batch) seem to suffer from poor slider build.
Posted by suhlman
On 2007-12-04 16:13:18, Seanyb2 wrote:
Build quality varies from handset to handset. For instance the K800i has poor build quality but the W880i is superb. My Nokia 6300 has the most solid build i have ever seen in a phone but other Nokias have poor build. So its not just one manufactuer over the other its each phone is different.
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Posted by SilveR.
Depend how u use you phone..
I would say K800 build quality is still oki.. Had mine more than 1 years now.. and it's still runs very well.. Only problem is the key button is losing the paint. So quality is still fine..
The best one I have to say it most be P800. Had it when it's was new.. and the phone still runs..
The list can be long ..
the poor Quality of SE phone I have used most be K700..
Last Nokia I owned was 8210, that phone was ok too
I can't speak about other phones I had never used..
I would say both company make good quality phones and poor quality phones..
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Posted by MWEB
Depends entirely on the country of manufacture, golden rule is, steer clear of Chinese SE's and Nokias that aint MADE IN FINLAND.
Posted by plankgatan
you so wrong
just look at Nokias (last flagship) N95...(N-serie is made in Finland)....
it had/have BIG problems with the build quality.
very bad slide, bad chassi, (it gave a lot of noices)......it depends which model it is.....(not where it is made)
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Posted by BobaFett
thats right, n95 is very poor quality, the 8gb version is a bit better. but on a funny way, high end fones are usually more cheap built, then some mid range fones. just look at w810, what is great made, except the crap batt cover, that sux imo. then take a look at k800 crap rubber keypad ( rubber... ) and joystick, wherre no protection is given again dust, where w800 deserved that rubber ring at the joy...
Posted by QVGA
Anyone used the N93? I can bash someone's head with it until he's unrecognizable and nothing will happen to the phone.
Posted by BobaFett
well, the backplate is easy to brake imo
Posted by QVGA
well if you take individual parts out and check their strengths, its a different thing. But the phone as a whole was a rock of Gibraltar, literally
Posted by Dogmann
@plankgatan
You know what your blind SE attitude is just so funny and totally unsupported by the facts, yes some early N95's had problems all of which were rectified a long time ago and perhaps you should remember just how many SE models have cracking keypads on virtually brand new phones. As for this ridiculous statement
"Camera ???? !!!!! Nokia have only one phone (who also is brand new) with real flash..and thats N82... (so you cant say that Nokia have stake on the camera features before)"
Interesting but i seem to recall my Nokia N93 not only was the first Camera Phone to offer VGA Video recording @30fps but also had a 3x Optical Zoom and that was back in June 2006 and it's build quality was awesome and as good as the day i bought it when sold some 9 months later.
Care to name me one SE Camera phone that nearly in 2008 can even match that? thought not.
Admittedly the N82 is the first Nokia to offer a Xenon flash but that is and was the only advantage that SE still had and now that's gone.
Besides your favourite two reviews all the others are saying just how disappionted and poor they have found the K850 to be such a shame for what could of been so good. Nokia have now easily caught up and with the improvements they continue to make in fast released firmware are in the process of being as good if not better than SE. To much of SE is what they used to do not what they are doing now.
I would say very few of us buy and use a Camera phone if we want real pics as for that we would use dedicated Camera's. You may well get some great pictures but the main idea of a Camera phone is point and shoot not having to take numerous shots and fiddle with the settings to get one good shot as by then the moment has passed.
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Posted by Terminatorak
My experiences (which isn't much) tell me Nokia phones have much better build quality than SE phones. I had the 6230 which I dropped in the sea, down the stairs and stood on but it still works. I wouldn't dare drop my K850i on the floor to test its durability...
Posted by plankgatan
On 2007-12-04 17:55:57, QVGA wrote:
Anyone used the N93? I can bash someone's head with it until he's unrecognizable and nothing will happen to the phone.
first time in History i agree with you
N93i..(NOT N93) looks realy solid...and realy expensive, (for that money you get HD hand cam
N95 must be one of Nokias biggest quailty-misstake ever..........
Posted by BobaFett
"N95 must be one of Nokias biggest quailty-misstake ever.........."
maybe, but they sold very much of it and its still a success, thats fact
Posted by plankgatan
true.....but still very bad slide/chassi on the original N95....
so is it worth to buy, (good features but bad build quality)...i dont think so.
what i heard, N95 8GB have a different slide..so thats good...(sadly it cost to much)
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Posted by BobaFett
yeah, but ppl do prefer to buy a nokia then se, thats the thing... maybe in sweden and in some other countries se fones are prefered, but generally ppl dont look on the built quality, more they say : nokia, it cant be bad..
Posted by Dogmann
@plankgatan
Oh yes such a terrible mistake that sells 1 million plus units worldwide per quarter and at such a high price as well, that generates both healthy sales and profits for them they must be so upset.
This kind of sales of a premium product SE would sell it's soul to the devil for, do you really believe if this device was as bad as you want to believe it is it would sell so well? do you really think most people blindly buy a product the way some SE fans do as i very much doubt that's the case as even SE fans are now openly complaining and moving to another brand as they have had enough of SE' repackaged products with problems now.
You are very quickly becoming the vocal minority in an ever diminishing fan base and if SE don't address the serious issues they have created very soon and change their attitude fast they are destined to reverse all the gains in market share and profits they have made. The cost of all those returned UIQ3 devices and now the K850 costs them money they can ill afford to lose.
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Posted by plankgatan
BobaFett...he he he...maybe the speak about their own N95 when the slide/chassi start to make noices........
dogmann..i have stop listen to you................piiiiip
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Posted by HOBBS
YOU KNOW WHAT.JUST THE FACT THAT NOKIA AND SE FANS ALWAYS END UP BASHING EACH OTHER IS A GOOD THING.THE COMPETITION IS HEALTHY IF ARGUED MATURELY AND OHNESTLY.I LOVE MY P990I AND UIQ3 BUT TAKE MY HAT OFF TO NOKIA'S AWESOME EVER GROWING RANGE OF PHONES.THEY ARE SETTING HIGH STANDARDS. I SAY LETS GET TOGETHER AND START BASHING HTC'S WINDOWS MOBILE RANGE LOL OR LETS NOT AND JUST ENJOY OUR PREFERENCES AND SHARE WHAT THEY HAVE TO OFFER US.PEACE OUT DUDES AND DUDETTES.
Posted by BobaFett
u know what i mean imo. ppl buy what they see in the tv or at other ppl, thats marketing and nokia does great job imo.
dont u miss on your k850 lets say metal keys and a metal clip ( as once ga and gh /// series had ) for a more durable and safe usage?
Posted by SilveR.
I remember when I dropped my old S700 to toilet..(well shit happens even in toilet) but the phone still work.. that's was amazing.. I was surprised by it.. Most of High end SE phones has good quality..
The W910 feels also good, let see how long this one can stand
Posted by xironghostx
On 2007-12-04 18:33:38, SilveR. wrote:
(well shit happens even in toilet)
haha
Posted by GUCCI.011
@ HOBBS
LMAO! I say lets gang up on those HTC WINDOWS MOBILE users hehehe. . . . .lol
Posted by HOBBS
I couldn't dis the TYTN II even if I tried Gucci.Maybe the rest of the range but not the II dude.
Posted by Dogmann
@plankgatan
Oh dear i am now heart broken the whole reason for my existence has been taken away from me.
I don't suppose it has anything to do with the questions you can't answer by any chance, keep on thinking your deluded thoughts and everything will remain OK in your head as every where else they ae just wishful thinking.
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Posted by bearcub24
I've seen good and bad in both Nokia and SE, my nokia E50 is built fantastically (made in Finland), the Nokia N73 less so (also made in Finland). The Nokia 6300 of my wife is very well built, especially when considering its cheap price tag. My old SE K750i was very creaky but it was always 100% reliable, my present SE W880i is very solid and feels fantastic. The SE K850 I tried felt creaky and cheaply made so I sent it straight back. I have always found Samsung and Motorola's to be well built on the whole but unfortunately both suffer from poor UI's.
Posted by MWEB
On 2007-12-04 17:39:01, plankgatan wrote:
you so wrong
just look at Nokias (last flagship) N95...(N-serie is made in Finland)....
it had/have BIG problems with the build quality.
very bad slide, bad chassi, (it gave a lot of noices)......it depends which model it is.....(not where it is made)
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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-12-04 16:39 ]
Read that and learn something, N-series are made in various countries, the Finnish models ARE superior, much more so IMO than ANY Chinese made SE.
Posted by baconnugget
past year or so i had
w800
k800
n95
and just bought the 6300 that got the best build quality and it the cheapest at 59.99 lol
Posted by bearcub24
Totally agree Kokoko at £59.99 Nokia 6300 is a real bargain, the screen deserves special mention, one of the best I've seen.
Posted by xironghostx
The worst thing with SE is that all their phones is made in china, and that is the reason whi the buildquality isn't excelent (look at w900 - made in japan (right?) and it got superior quality)
I guess those chinese workers drink too much coffe and talk with their workmates too much instead of making nice phones..
Posted by GUCCI.011
Yep, the mighty W900 was made in Japan even its codename was Japanese (Sakura), best allround Walkman to this day!
Posted by GUCCI.011
Yep, the mighty W900 was made in Japan even its codename was Japanese (Sakura), best allround Walkman to this day!