Posted by datta
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Probably not. It wasn't on my k800 and I belive most phones have it off as default.
Posted by wilson
To my knowledge no one can bluejack you unless you accept to add a phone when asked/accept a file but no one can browse your phone content without being acknoledged.
Posted by dcbastable
To rufocused; The Bluetooth function on your phone is a radio device that will connect to other such devices nearby. Most phones use BT v.2 (stangely enough this is the first version) which will connect to other devices within 10 metres (or 30 foot in the UK
) so long as there are no thick walls in between. Some devices use BT v.1 (such as the original Motorola V3!!!) which can detect and connect to other compatible devices within 100 metres. The outdoor use of BT v.1 (100 metres) is strictly prohibited in some countries such as France.
Posted by etaab
I think you're a bit confused there mate. Bluetooth v2.0 isnt the first version, there was v1.0 and v1.1 and v1.2 before it, and possibly another version before the very first (beta).
What you're referring to is the Bluetooth class, not its version. Now if i remember correctly class 1 devices have ranges from 25m all the way up to 250m, class 2 is something like 3m - 10m, and class 3 is the weakest, with little range usually only 30cm - 3m.
Posted by dcbastable
i stand corrected. you are right, i meant the class. i think the restrictions thing that some countries have are to do with national security. i remember that when the motorola v3 first came out (with that strange box) they had a disclaimer on it to that affect.
Posted by etaab
It doesnt really matter anyway IMO.
Motorola's Bluetooth implementation is so poor the bandwith of their devices is incredibly poor, and slow.
Also, due to Bluetooth relying on a "handshake" theory (where both devices must be able to talk to each other for the connection to work), 100m means nothing if you're attempting to connect to a phone with only a 10m range - you'd need to be around 10m from it anyway.
Unless of course you were to use a Yagi antenna..
Posted by simply__me
Oh.. i was under the impression that BT v.2 was better than v.1.. I guess thats why my friends v3 often catches more bluetooth devices when he searches in the same place i do.
but oh wells.. SE pwns motorola.
Posted by etaab
Umm, v2.0 is better.
Its just the V3 has better range, so it'll find more phone within 10m or more than other phones. The added range of the V3 wont mean it can bluejack phones 100m away, but it will have a more reliable signal with those nearby.
But still, its a missed opportunity for Motorola, because like i said their Bluetooth software built into their phones is rather poor by comparison of SE and Nokia.
Posted by Residentevil
I have not experienced a BT 2.x device. However, I like more and more reliable range with it.
Posted by jemuel
I envy you guys! here in the philippines, I rarely find a BT device on my k608i. that's because most people still uses 2g phones, (the ones with the black and white screens) and you thought 7650's obsolete? you'd be famous for almost everybody if you have it here, (such a poor country...)
but once, i found a k700i when i was scanning, and to my dismay, i can't send the contact, thus blowing my only chance for bluejacking, and later found out that u can't sent contacts if it's in your sim card.
Posted by Prom1
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> Um I'd like to DISPUTE this information.
If a BT device is Class 1 with support up to 100M not 250( although specific brands have augmented this 100meter range); ANYTHING regardless of BT class SHOULD be able to communicate with the HOST being a Class 1 device.
Case in point: Moto RAZR's are CLASS 1 devices, and headsets work within that range (albeit radio interference from Food Microwaves, or in a SEA of WiFi devices; but even the latter has been perfected). Furthermore, a company at the FOREFRONT of HOST Ad-Hoc/Server devices was RedM. Many MANY years ago they were the FIRST to setup & manufacture Server devices. A Solid search here on Esato SHOULD show the mettle of my words. back in the day when the T36m was seriously new they were doing their thang.
UPDATE: it seems Esato has LOSSED the data I was talking about. I was searching posts & news articles back in 2001 early 2002 yet unable to find it.
So here is websearch results....
Red-M Powers the World's Biggest Bluetooth Public Network At Bluetooth Congress 2001
http://www.mobic.com/oldnews/2001/06/red3.htm
http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2001sep/bpd20010904007660.htm
Red-M first to enable 3G mobile services with Bluetooth
June 4, 2001
http://www.3gnewsroom.com/3g_news/jun_01/news_0723.shtml
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Red-M, a supplier of Bluetooth networking product solutions, today announces the next step in its strategy of providing mobility using Bluetooth technology. For the first time, Red-M is showing the delivery of 3G mobile services using an in-building Bluetooth network to a range of mobile devices. The system illustrates the potential of converged data, voice and video wireless communications and the ability of Bluetooth to provide these services in local environments such as public concourses, offices and homes. |
Red-m to deploy wireless trains
http://www.belfast.net/News/ShowDetails.asp?ID=181&NM=Red%2Dm+to+deploy+wireless+trains
And most related to my rebuttal ...
http://www.wirelessweek.com/toc-newsat2/2001/20010606.html [i]
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Bluetooth networking company Red-M says it is behind the Bluezone network at the Bluetooth Congress 2001 event taking place this week in Monte Carlo, Monaco. Bluezone is the largest Bluetooth-based public access system built, Red-M says, enabling access to Internet data from handheld devices and PCs available at the show. |
Lastly for your BT kiddies ....
Some of Red-M's acheivements!
[i] http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/1767.html
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Joyce Putscher, Director/Principal Analyst for Bluetooth technology at In-Stat/MDR, commented: "Red-M was the very first company to demonstrate a voice call over Bluetooth, and this was one of the reasons why it won the first ever innovation award at the Bluetooth Congress in June 2000. Incorporating its voice expertise in Genos demonstrates the potential of the technology and sends a very strong signal to the industry. Red-M has grasped the genuine needs of customers by integrating 802.11 wireless LAN and Bluetooth in Genos, and enabling a range of in-building mobile voice and data applications. I believe this is an extremely compelling proposition for operators." |
Posted by etaab
What exactly is your point ? all you have provided is lots of links to RedM - correct me if im wrong but what has that got to do with Motorola's mobile phones and their poorer than other brands Bluetooth software and implementation ? Even if RedM are involved with Motorola, they certainly havent brought anything to Motorola’s products.
Also, Bluetooth classes arent an exact science. The specified ranges are only there as a guide as to the capabilities of the Bluetooth device based on certain factors (hardware used; size of the Bluetooth antenna, battery capacity in relation to power output, software used; Bluetooth version, various Bluetooth stacks, various Bluetooth software used by differing manufacturers). They are in no way concrete rules which determine a Bluetooth devices range of communication.
A class 1 device with a range of 100m will struggle to communicate with a class 2 device with a range of 10m if they are spaced far enough apart. Bluetooth relies on the weakest link of the chain for communication to be possible, which is usually the device with the lowest Bluetooth class or range. We all know usually a class 2 device will still be able to communicate with another class 2 device even if they’re spaced 20m apart, it all depends on conditions. The actual class of the device is simply a guide to illustrate optimal use of the devices capabilities. I myself have sent items via Bluetooth from a K700i to a S700i in the past, almost 50m apart - well in excess of the stated 10m class 2 range made by SE. My point is, Bluetooth communication relies on a two way handshake by both devices, if they are not able to make than handshake communication cannot be made. We have however heard of people who’ve managed to extend a Bluetooth devices range far beyond the manufacturers stated range and class, such as the bluesniper, where a technique of being able to communicate with a class 2 10m range phone could be bluesnarfed over 1km away. But, its not really relevant when we’re talking about mobile phones which have many times smaller antennas which are simply unable to transmit or receive radio signals out of their design.
The point of my post above was to clarify the Bluetooth classes and simplify their functioning. If you want to over complicate the matter in an attempt to play forum-prove-me-wrong so be it.
Posted by jack77777
etaab dont forgrt to check the nokia forum on zedge
Posted by Prom1
Etaab, My point was to dispute that a) bluetooth doesnt look for the weakest link to communicate; that doesnt make any sense because if its weak then connections would drop prematurely. b) that a Class 1 device (I've already stated that ranges can & usually be increased) will communicate with a Class 2 device as its radio is more "sensitive" in receive mode that it can pick up the Class 2 device.
I havent been to Red-M's site in years so when I was digging for information to prove their history/experience with class 1 access points in a piconet; I couldnt find anything substantial direct from them, as their marketing/product model has changed over the years. The links I provided from my Google search was to highlight their successes when bluetooth was in its earliest conception (when only Ericsson phones or Palm device had add-on sleds).
I wasnt just arguing Motorola's V3 device, just stating it as an example of a class 1 device able to work within a 100m (un clustered, non contested, and not in a heavy metal lined building - I shouldve been more clear) with a Class 2 device such has a headset or a Car.
Again I heavily doubt and have found nothing on bluetooth.org, bluetooth.com or Ericsson's site stating connections will favour the "weakest" link as you stated above. with almost 2400 hops a second, a weak link will be unstable.
I've done my best to substantiate what I've stated, refutably agreed, but I've tried with links.
Anyway I still think Moto's products for phones sucks. I'd like to see what we can do with WideBand Bluetooth implementation when it debuts.
Posted by etaab
I never said Bluetooth looks for the weakest link to communicate, I said successful connection between two Bluetooth devices relies on two way communication between the two, which relies directly on the weakest device of the two being able to talk to and hear the other device. Like you’ve said yourself, a connection would drop if the weakest Bluetooth device wasn’t able to communicate with the other. Bluetooth like other types of wireless connections relies on both devices being able to talk to each other, if only one device can hear the other, and not both ways the connection would never happen in the first place.
As for your point B, I agree completely, I never said different Bluetooth classes would not be able to communicate (which it sounds like your saying), or that they’d struggle. Of course a class 1 device will have a more reliable connection with a class 2 device, but then it doesn’t also mean that you could use a class 2 10m ranged Bluetooth headset 100m away from your class 1 100m ranged phone. Its simply not that simple.
I think you’ve misunderstood my points regarding Bluetooth communication, since you seem to be saying the exact same things as myself but with a little more umm, what appears to be confusion to me.
Posted by jack77777
calm down etaab
Posted by etaab
A week and two days later me old mate jack shows up. Shut up
See you on t'other site.
Posted by Shaymaa
lool:D nice try;)
Posted by jack77777
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lol see you on zedge
Posted by ravitek
Okay so maybe I picked a bad time to post in the bluejacking stories thread, but seeing as it has gone off topic-ish, here's my story.
A few weeks ago, for school, I went to a Yearbook editing seminar being held at a huge movie theater. There were several high schools there, so of course, they organized everything in the biggest theater, which was IMAX sized.
Walking into the theater, the middle section of the walkway is closed off for all the computer equipment they had set up. On the big screen was iTunes, which was being played on a Mac laptop.
After exchanging text messages, I realized that I would be surrounded by tech nerds, so what better to do than search for devices? I found about 7 different phones! But get this... There was an 8th device... it was the laptop!
I immediately had to try it out, which led to me forgetting what contact I was sending. At my school, when you least expect it, someone with a BT phone will "Bitchslap!" you. So it turns out I had Bitchslap selected, and within 4-5 seconds, on the big screen, it says "You have recieved Bitchslap! Would you like to accept or deny?" Remember this is a theater full of high school kids...
Of course there was a guy nearby the laptop who closed the window once he realized half of the theater was laughing and figured out what had happened. I decided to be more friendly and changed the message to, "Hi Mom!!". After that made the big screen, the guy disabled bluetooth!
I wasn't the only one bluetooth-happy that day, someone sent me pictures of a Mustang Cobra.
Attached is a failed attempt at taking a clear picture of bluejacking the big screen. You can see the sending status on the phone screen and the bluetooth dialog box on the big screen.
Posted by ryansprague
simple!! my v3 b/tooth waz poo, my n8o b/tooth waz also poo i just did a random search on da same tram az i always catch and my new k8ooi picked up phones where my other ones didnt,but hey must of been the weather!!!!!!!!
Posted by jack77777
lol i love doing it in school , someone turns round and looks at me cos i didnt change my bluetooth name lol
Posted by zen62619
ravitek, you got it spot on dude!!! you have had me sitting laughing at your post for 5 mins and I can't stop laughing. great posts keep them coming.
Posted by shamrock593
I'm going to see the Grudge 2 in cinema soon, so good opurtunity to bluejack someone some spooky images and messages lol. Is there anyone from Australia on this forum??? Do people leave their bluetooth on cause I dont! Why would you?
Posted by Residentevil
It is getting harder and harder to BlueJ these days.
Posted by goldenface
@Ravitek
That had me laughinig too matey!
I think it is now time for me to start bitchslapping people.
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Posted by jack77777
i leave my bluetooth off , simply because it wastes battery.
Posted by banki3z
really its hard to find people who leave their bt on
Posted by goldenface
I always find loads of people, especially in bars.
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Posted by masseur
I also always find many people but can only make a connection with a very very few
Posted by jemuel
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I agree with that... a year ago, a certain virus spread cover bluetooth here in the phils. which foces the unfortuate user to re flash their phone. this "incident" as I may call was etched into the history of cellphone usage.
nowadays, one wud ask if our phone has a virus berfore turning theirs on.
BTW the virus only affects nokia symibian phones so i don't worry about getting infected. yay SE!!!!!
Posted by Residentevil
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So I am looking in the wrong places
Posted by goldenface
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Older Nokia's are the best.
After I read the previous page I sent a 'Bitchslap' to a phone only to find out it was a manager sitting two seats away from me. He just picked up his phone and tut tutted!
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Posted by Walkerx
haha nice had a couple of those on the train, snotty looks
Posted by max_wedge
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I have done tests with a couple of 100m dongles and 10m devices, and I can never get much beyond the range that would be expected of the 10m devices on a good day. 20m is about the best I could achieve.
Consequently, though I've been able to find no proof to support it, I've concluded that the 100m devices will only connect at that range with other 100m devices.
However, at 10m ranges, communication between all classes of devices is seamless and reliable. Currently, I use a 100m dongle with my K750.
Posted by ¬¬ Borat ¬¬
Hi, nice to meet you Esato community!
I am new to Bluetooth and well umm this community so, please help me!
ok my question is: How can I make it so I can bluetooth people messages?
I have a Motorloa V3i!
PS: V3i = HOT!!!! (on looks, maybe not on features though?)
EDIT: AWW MAN!!!!! I JUST REALISED THIS IS FOR SONY ERICSON USERS ONLY <_< please could you tell me a place that could teach motorola users to bluetooth messages? do I need a java app?
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Posted by sh1sk
i had a motorola v360 wich is very similar to your v3i (software wise) and there was a little java app called Mobiluck for bluejacking, try to look it up, hope it helps
Posted by etaab
@ max_wedge - thanks for your input. Ive never been able to perform what Prom1 has claimed either except for once when i managed to get my K700i to bluejack a S700i from about 50m away.
If you'd like to me tell more, just say.
Posted by rambo47
@Borat:
http://www.howardforums.com has an entire section dedicated to Motorola phones. Usually anywhere from 200 - 300 members online on that particular forum at any given time.
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Posted by SE4NICK
Also 1 question how do i send messages witrh bluetooth so i can do this.
i only know how to send pics, vids themes sounds
Posted by Residentevil
Sent the good ol' "Your fly is open" to a Z520 but the owner did not notice it, so I got no fun out of it.
Posted by EastCoastStar
oh how i miss this thread
Posted by SE4NICK
I DID THIS AT THE MOVIES
I was in a movie theatre the other day and it was a sad quite part so i did a blutooth search with my Z550 and then found a W300i so i sent a blutooth message saying that you should turn your phone of during a movie (even tho mine was on lol) and he the owner had it on loud and it made a loud alerting sound and every one turned around and stared at him.
Im so mean.
Posted by Residentevil
Good job.
Posted by SE4NICK
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Thank you i thought so 2
Posted by SE4NICK
Something else i did
KK just today i was at Video Ezy and i did a bluetooth search and i found 2 phones ' Kylie' and 'Keyocera Wireless' i sent a message saying by ericsson to both and they both started beeping and everyone was starring at them. they obviously have no idea wat blutooth is so they just stood staring at their loudly beeping phones then the lady at the counter asked them to leave as they didnt know how to stop the beeps lol. then i went outside cracking up (i must have looked like an idiodt laaughing at my private joke). I overheard one of the 2 people say, 'maybe i should by sony ericsson then maybe it wont go off at me like that.
Lol im going to the movies 2 morrow ill tell you if their are any phones thier.
Posted by johnrey84
dying to try it out my self!!!! hahaha
Posted by SE4NICK
Its a good feeling
Posted by alexnik
Once i was in bus travelling. Did a blue-search and found a crapy nokia 6310i that later i found an old lady had it. Didn't know where the lady was sitting in the bus but at least i tried. I prepared a msg that said "have a good trip etc etc..."
And i didnt regret it. Not only i sent the message, not only started beeping but also she didnt even know how 2 read the msg!!When at last she made it to read the msg, she started looking everywhere in the bus to find where the msg came from...
Posted by SE4NICK
haha its fun isnt it. lol
remeber every 1 ill post back about my 2nd blutooth search at the movies later today after i go to the movies.
the 1st time at movies doing blutooth search is posted on last page along with my video ezy prank as well.