Posted by sealover94
I think we should close the thread for a while ..
Posted by Tigershark42
It makes sense to do that until the announcements are over, then there will be no codename or spec speculations flying all over the place, as well as the contrast between the 'elitist' and the 'unknowing' among us.
Posted by jalf
yes, it must be closed until we all cool down a bit....
Posted by Satsuma
Been in Kista this week and my understanding is that new platform device(s) may not be shown but rather updates on the old platform.
Posted by chuksy
Many of us here have displayed impatience....its just a few days and we shall see what SE have in store.
Rather than moaning about something that is yet to be announced,lets wait.If our expectations are not met,then we can start a war.
But until then...pateince - Its a virtue you know
Posted by laurenke01
The reality may also be that SE will announce something that is almost as good or just as good as what we're wanting.
Posted by skblakee
On 2008-02-06 16:55:55, PeterKay wrote:
think i'm gonna stop posting too.
Don't want you to do that PK so please stay.
I think what has me (and I am not asking about things I know you can't/won't answer) is that there seems to be a different twist each week or month on this thread. One time we hear that P5i news is imminent next its not. I believe that some of us on here must have confused some of us less technically inclined with phone specs.
I am still looking forward to
releasing whenever they do,I have no impatience towards them whatsoever. I just want to see them release something that I could buy and show off to my American friends.
Back to P5i talk now.
PK,
Is this a phone that a reasonable
fan would appreciate in your opinion? Would you be able to give full or partial review anytime soon after release?
Posted by GTommy
Hmmm it seems that SE will anounce their new phones during the weekend...Then people around here will not get upset about SE not releasing anything...Im not sure about the GPS...I knew Beibei and Paris have GPS...Hopefully Tyra also will have it...but I can tell on sunday
Posted by gola
On 2008-02-06 18:27:17, GTommy wrote:
Hmmm it seems that SE will anounce their new phones during the weekend...Then people around here will not get upset about SE not releasing anything...Im not sure about the GPS...I knew Beibei and Paris have GPS...Hopefully Tyra also will have it...but I can tell on sunday
Posted by Tigershark42
One thing that is known is that OEMs such as Nokia, Apple, Samsung, HTC, etc should be releasing some major handsets at 3GSM, so if SE dont pull their weight there, I for one will be tempted to go for a much more capable device. Thats one of the reasons why I want there to be a P5i (Dont care about the name) which is hopefully announced at 3GSM, 1 becuase Im interested in buying, but 2 because SE once was at the top of the high end market, and last year was not a year when they shone, so if they repeat last years mistakes, thats a big portion of the market they could lose permanently. IMO releasing devices that are nearly there (no names) e.g. 3,2Mpx, WLAN b only, small screen, too many buttons, a touch UI which isnt finger friendly, its just not good enough to detract from OEM's solutions.
Posted by famous12
Do not close this thread or else we all will be either bored or full of suspense depends on the person.
[ This Message was edited by: famous12 on 2008-02-06 19:45 ]
Posted by Tigershark42
I don't envy you mate. They should just release devices that work for everyone, ideally. I actually really like the latest releases in Japan from SE. They look good and the specs are of a very high standard as regards multimedia, which is what I want to see in SE phones more and more.
Posted by famous12
After reading a lot of forums I have come to the conclution that P5i and BeiBei will not be relaesd at 3GSM.
Tough luck
Thumbs down again
Posted by gola
lol
Posted by famous12
whats is this ?
http://se.blogvasion.com/2007[....]-spy-pic-of-sony-ericsson.html
Posted by C905
On 2008-02-06 20:41:53, Tigershark42 wrote:
One thing that is known is that OEMs such as Nokia, Apple, Samsung, HTC, etc should be releasing some major handsets at 3GSM, so if SE dont pull their weight there, I for one will be tempted to go for a much more capable device. Thats one of the reasons why I want there to be a P5i (Dont care about the name) which is hopefully announced at 3GSM, 1 becuase Im interested in buying, but 2 because SE once was at the top of the high end market, and last year was not a year when they shone, so if they repeat last years mistakes, thats a big portion of the market they could lose permanently. IMO releasing devices that are nearly there (no names) e.g. 3,2Mpx, WLAN b only, small screen, too many buttons, a touch UI which isnt finger friendly, its just not good enough to detract from OEM's solutions.
even motorola is going to announce real high end devices: the V12 with 2.8" screen with 240*400 resolution, UIQ, GPS, HSDPA and 5 megapixel camera
Posted by Angello
a conceopt of sealover
Posted by pavlov's_dog
at the rate things are going, i think it's gonna be another bad year for SE. The latest and rumored phones all seem to be a rehash of the year before. nothing new. nothing innovative. i still remember my t68i, which made me SE-crazy. but now, my faith in SE is steadily windling.
The P5 represented its rebirth for most of us, and now that it's said to be announced later in Q4 and released on '09, no matter how high-spec'd it might seem right now, i wonder if it would remain high-end and if it'd find its place in the market as a leader in the high-end multimedia level.
I hope they change my mind come Sunday. I don't think i can bear another UIQ3.0 after my short stint with the p990.
Posted by bodeh6
No the P5i should be announced sometime in the next 3-4 months. Then released in Q4.
Posted by famous12
face it ! it will never be released okay ? forget it, there is no such P5i so just live on with you lives and move on.
Posted by kenx3000
I'm not sure what it means to release P5i. And the word "rebirth" for some of you, rebirth of what? Think if you're in SE's position, and you know that there's a website where user's that's not even 1% of the total mobile-phone users AROUND the world are in, and demanding this and that. Do you think SE will follow the not-even-1% people and just come out to sell it to that website? I'm not saying anything bad about the website, but just want to point out the big picture .
SE has to think of the total profit that they WILL sell around the world, not just from the opinion of some websites. Would you release a lower phone where the price can be lower and gain more customers+profit, or release the high-end phone just for the hype and no demand in the consumers? Don't forget that High-end comes with High-price, and economically people are losing the budgets to look at high-price products.
I, myself was covered by the hype when I just got into SE, but after I worked at a website under SE's approval, I began to understand more that marketing really matters, not just some hype stuff.
I just don't think it's right to keep bugging SE to come out with High-end phones if the market doesn't really demand it.
Posted by sithcentz
On 2008-02-07 06:24:54, kenx3000 wrote:
I'm not sure what it means to release P5i. And the word "rebirth" for some of you, rebirth of what? Think if you're in SE's position, and you know that there's a website where user's that's not even 1% of the total mobile-phone users AROUND the world are in, and demanding this and that. Do you think SE will follow the not-even-1% people and just come out to sell it to that website? I'm not saying anything bad about the website, but just want to point out the big picture .
SE has to think of the total profit that they WILL sell around the world, not just from the opinion of some websites. Would you release a lower phone where the price can be lower and gain more customers+profit, or release the high-end phone just for the hype and no demand in the consumers? Don't forget that High-end comes with High-price, and economically people are losing the budgets to look at high-price products.
I, myself was covered by the hype when I just got into SE, but after I worked at a website under SE's approval, I began to understand more that marketing really matters, not just some hype stuff.
I just don't think it's right to keep bugging SE to come out with High-end phones if the market doesn't really demand it.
Well considering this entire thread is about the(possibly) most high end phone SE is going to release this year, I would say complaints or suggestions are worthy of this thread. Now, there is certainly no need to have some of the attacking of certain posters like PK who kindly share their time on this forum for our benifit, but there are valid complaints to be had.
Frankly, I see this whole P5i thing becoming a mess kind of like the w960 was last year. High end rumored specs, and everyone was excited to see what would come of it. Everyone was pumped when it was announced, and we waited...and waited...and waited...until it finally came out at the very end of the year and was met with a resounding "meh" amongst the critics. It's hard to have cutting edge tech when it takes literally around 6-7 months after announcment for it to hit shelves. It's also hard to keep the excitement for the phone when it takes so long to get here. In that sense, the SE marketing dept. has failed, though not all blame is at their feet.
Posted by m-one
@Pavlov's Dog
No no no! This has been simply misunderstood with the announcement of Paris.
I never said it would be announced in Q4. In Q4 it'll be available - the announcement should be in the first half of 2008.
[ This Message was edited by: m-one on 2008-02-07 06:29 ]
Posted by kenx3000
@sithcentz
I do understand what you're saying, but about the release time where critics will say "meh." What if that time is actually the more suited time for such devices? How do we know that what already came out from other vendors are actually suited for the moment? HSDPA, GPS, 5MP Camera? I'll keep repeating myself over and over again that the functions are not suited for the moment at all. You have to agree that only a small percentage, I would say less than 10% would actually use those functions.
SE knows that they're price is above others and they cannot fix that problem, so what they give us back is quality and something that's more suited for the users. I think we could tell from previous announcements where they're approaching. Sure, they might come out with P5i, but no one will think it's the "Big Hit" or even worse, people might think vendors are scared of iPhone to come out with such phones.(I know PK said you can't compare, but you know how people's mind works)
About PK and the others, I do appreciate them sharing, but I don't think they're trying to make such a big hype. They just share the information that they can, but it's just only us that's coming with questions, photoshops, that's making the story go boom.
Posted by Drasko
@ SE
Dear SE please work slowly on your new model (models will be better) to catch other producers in saturated market of phones.
My next phone will be very compact touch device with capability of fast massaging and phoning + extraordinary mechanical features.
Just do it or I leave it!
Thanks!
Posted by makbil
Just what I'm thinking @Drasko. SE needs to avoid another P990 story at all costs.
Posted by anonymuser
On 2008-02-07 07:46:18, kenx3000 wrote:
About PK and the others, I do appreciate them sharing, but I don't think they're trying to make such a big hype. They just share the information that they can, but it's just only us that's coming with questions, photoshops, that's making the story go boom.
I think we all have to get a little savvier about this and realise that people like PK, Mizzle etc - however well intentioned - are just a part of the SE publicity machine. They're not getting hold of these phones/pictures etc by accident - they're being given them, precisely so they can drop hints and whip up excitement in places like this. SE have their own in house testing facility where all these things can be tested in absolute secrecy if they want - the only reason external "beta testers" see them is to keep the internet happy.
Remember - not one single official, traceable statement has been made about any of the phones mentioned in this thread, least of all the P5. Assuming they exist in any sense, SE could cancel them all tomorrow without having to give any apology here.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2008-02-07 09:56 ]
Posted by chombos1
sure they must avoid such a mistake....
but this is not good reason to delay such a device and loose high-end marketshare....
yes... if in this time it has bugs they must delay it... i agree
but there has been plenty of time to work on it.
only releasing bug-free phones is not the ultimate goal... it's also about delivering up to date and on time and fulfilling customer demands.
Posted by jalf
On 2008-02-07 10:44:30, Boinng wrote:
On 2008-02-07 07:46:18, kenx3000 wrote:
About PK and the others, I do appreciate them sharing, but I don't think they're trying to make such a big hype. They just share the information that they can, but it's just only us that's coming with questions, photoshops, that's making the story go boom.
I think we all have to get a little savvier about this and realise that people like PK, Mizzle etc - however well intentioned - are just a part of the SE publicity machine. They're not getting hold of these phones/pictures etc by accident - they're being given them, precisely so they can drop hints and whip up excitement in places like this. SE have their own in house testing facility where all these things can be tested in absolute secrecy if they want - the only reason external "beta testers" see them is to keep the internet happy.
Remember - not one single official, traceable statement has been made about any of the phones mentioned in this thread, least of all the P5. Assuming they exist in any sense, SE could cancel them all tomorrow without having to give any apology here.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2008-02-07 09:56 ]
that's an excelent explanation!
so people, be calm.....SE will surprise us!
[ This Message was edited by: jalf on 2008-02-07 10:27 ]
Posted by doministry
I must say,
that Q4 is too late for me.
Honestly, if it will end up like that,
I might move on...
I need Flash support, I need better browser, more memory.
S...t.
Posted by makbil
@doministry, WM6 devices are beginning to be worth looking at
Posted by Amaisink
the question is ARE they a part of "SE publicity machine"?!
Posted by gola
On 2008-02-07 03:56:52, bodeh6 wrote:
No the P5i should be announced sometime in the next 3-4 months. Then released in Q4.
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[ This Message was edited by: gola on 2008-02-07 17:41 ]
Posted by kenx3000
On 2008-02-07 10:44:30, Boinng wrote:
On 2008-02-07 07:46:18, kenx3000 wrote:
About PK and the others, I do appreciate them sharing, but I don't think they're trying to make such a big hype. They just share the information that they can, but it's just only us that's coming with questions, photoshops, that's making the story go boom.
I think we all have to get a little savvier about this and realise that people like PK, Mizzle etc - however well intentioned - are just a part of the SE publicity machine. They're not getting hold of these phones/pictures etc by accident - they're being given them, precisely so they can drop hints and whip up excitement in places like this. SE have their own in house testing facility where all these things can be tested in absolute secrecy if they want - the only reason external "beta testers" see them is to keep the internet happy.
Remember - not one single official, traceable statement has been made about any of the phones mentioned in this thread, least of all the P5. Assuming they exist in any sense, SE could cancel them all tomorrow without having to give any apology here.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2008-02-07 09:56 ]
that doesn't really link to what I said. Also, SE doesn't really give phones to people. It's not their policy, never was, and probably never will. The only reason they give it to websites is just for publicity. Even some websites don't get support from SE(They sound like they do, but they don't) So only big websites get them. Some of you took pictures from SE-Society, and I worked at that place before so I know how the system inside SE works.
PK could be R&D for a central company where vendors sends in their protos to test because I knew an R&D who did the same thing. That's why SE was able to call back their phones and he had to submitted back in.(Therefore risking of losing his job/connection). I'm not saying anything bad here, just saying from my point of view.
Also Please, don't make it sound like I'm being impatient and bugging PK or Mizzle for info's, because I'm not one of them. I got the phone I wanted, and I'm happy with it.
Posted by doministry
@makbil
Yes man, WM6 starts to look good,
although it's still looks bad in my taste and this windows style on phone doesn't appeal at all... Did you see the calculator by WM? Hilarious.
Anyway, WM looks interesting in many cases, but I still want to keep UiQ in my hands - I like it. UIQ feel is for me, opposed to S60 which I don't really like.
But if we talk about functionality, yes...
But imagine smsing on TyTn2! It's hell with this turning the device.
My choice will be also based on how things around will develop. I mean, if P990 functionality will be sufficient till successor comes, that's ok. But if not, well....
Posted by Drasko
And someone mentioned that the SE have their own lab with people who testing internally?! But what that people are? Constantly changing or what?
Because every P model missing something what had precursor and get something new. I new is good, but some thing which are confirmed as useful are also good. Is there in SE any people who work only with P series, live with it and have a final word about functionality. Their functionality is round and round again like Microsoft's Win95-WinMe-XP-and finally like a crown of useless Win Vista: constantly new but not new!
Q4 is also to late for me because my P is disintegrated steadily (battery, keyboard and housing so I must think about new apparatus to avoid suddenly phone lost.
Best luck for all of us!
Posted by makbil
Agree with you @doministry. It's up to SE to keep us as customers.
Personally I think Symbian + UIQ is a very good combination for mobile use. I'm just hoping that SE has learned from its mistakes and the next flagship smartphone (whenever it is announced) will bring back the glory days of P900/910. They just need to remember that they will be facing serious competition from Nokia touch screen and WM6 devices.
Posted by Tigershark42
Other devices have long been creeping up on the smartphone market, but SE had the touchscreens. Now that is threatened because other devices will be coming out shortly with better interfaces and better specs. UIQ3 and the current specs are just not good enough to separate them from the competition, and if they dont improve, they will lose here. If you combine the interface of the iphone (touchscreen) and N95 specs you already have what is not too far from a pretty untouchably good phone. And this is coming very soon, Nokia could do it, Apple could do it, HTC could do it, Samsung could do it. SE has to get there first, or it will slowly become a mid-low end maker. That may be profitable now, but if you think of a year later, when mid range is todays higher end, SE may not keep up and they could slowly shrivel away and die like motorola seems to be doing. So in that sense its a bit of a critical junction as to the future of SE. SE currently has a pretty big fanbase, however, and the design aspect is there. I think if the specs are introduced, fans will be happy and there are no immediate problems.
I think the higher end market is getting bigger by the day, word passes to those who arent in the know, about all the iphone can do, all the N95 can do and so more and more people are willing to pay more for extended features. Other companies seem to be maintaining the pace of innovation. 3 Days to see just how big SE's future could be.
Posted by tesssst
On 2008-02-07 10:44:30, Boinng wrote:
On 2008-02-07 07:46:18, kenx3000 wrote:
About PK and the others, I do appreciate them sharing, but I don't think they're trying to make such a big hype. They just share the information that they can, but it's just only us that's coming with questions, photoshops, that's making the story go boom.
I think we all have to get a little savvier about this and realise that people like PK, Mizzle etc - however well intentioned - are just a part of the SE publicity machine. They're not getting hold of these phones/pictures etc by accident - they're being given them, precisely so they can drop hints and whip up excitement in places like this. SE have their own in house testing facility where all these things can be tested in absolute secrecy if they want - the only reason external "beta testers" see them is to keep the internet happy.
Remember - not one single official, traceable statement has been made about any of the phones mentioned in this thread, least of all the P5. Assuming they exist in any sense, SE could cancel them all tomorrow without having to give any apology here.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2008-02-07 09:56 ]
spot on - its just people that post on the inet so that kiddies could have something to talk about at school (and whine at home/parents)
Posted by jmcomms
With regards to release dates; SE has always had big problems whenever releasing something based on a new platform.
UIQ 3.2 and UIQ 4 will no doubt mean that any new smartphone will be released months after being shown, which will annoy most of us.
If SE decides to simply build a new range of devices on the existing platform then they can, theoretically, get the kit on sale very quickly. Most testing and bug fixing is done. Then most of us will be annoyed because the devices won't be a great deal different to the current stuff; just a different looking box, possibly in a different form factor.
Mind you, having used the W960i for some time, I think that's pretty fast and stable (not great, but not bad either) and if they merely released a new smartphone that had call/end keys, a D-Pad and a few tweaks, it would be perfectly good for most people.
Obviously we want more, and want it now, but UIQ has advanced a hell of a lot since the P990. If SE could bundle Opera 9.5 with their next device, suddenly things would be a LOT better.
Finally, independent research keeps saying that the VAST majority of people don't use all these advanced features. Mobile data is taking off, but it's not as if everyone demands push email, document editing and so on. Even business users probably stick to voice, SMS and email.
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Posted by btt
I am sure the new Px will be great whenever it comes and I will surely buy it but the time it takes for SE to release something new and exciting for the business customers is way to long.. In my opinion, they underestimate the market for business phones. To have one good business phone, the P1i and one more coming sometime this year is not good enough. Being a true SE fan I will not switch to another brand of phones but I miss being proud of my SE business phone (like I was when the 990 came, before I discovered all the bugs..)
Posted by anonymuser
On 2008-02-07 19:01:58, kenx3000 wrote:
that doesn't really link to what I said.
Well it does really, in that you were pontificating on what the likes of PK and Mizzle may or may not be about, and so was I. You can disagree with my points, but that doesn't make them unrelated.
Also, SE doesn't really give phones to people. It's not their policy, never was, and probably never will.
But yet people have them (and we know that PK at least has had them in his possession) and those people are posting here. Now, PK could work for SE, he could work for a testing company, he could work for Basil Brush, it doesn't really matter - the point I was making is that however he came by the phone, it was essentially given to him by SE (because that's the only place it could have come from, ultimately) and it was almost certainly in the knowledge that he would post hints and enigmatic tips about it here. He's said as much himself. "They" are watching him, and he is doing only what he is "allowed" to do. Now I don't doubt that he's doing it with the very best of intentions, because he knows we're interested etc, but at the same time SE know they're getting some good, free, commitment-free publicity for which they don't have to be accountable at all.
Let me just throw this out there - what if the P5 that PK had was just a one-off prototype, of a phone that's completely unviable as far as the market's concerned - too expensive to sell etc. PK reports it here in good faith, tells us how great it is, we all start slathering, we all start putting off that purchase of an Iphone... and all without a single actual promise from SE. Without a single press release, specification, timescale, or official confirmation of anything whatsoever. Not even a photo. Far fetched?
Also Please, don't make it sound like I'm being impatient and bugging PK or Mizzle for info's, because I'm not one of them. I got the phone I wanted, and I'm happy with it.
I'm not trying to make you sound like anything, I'm just making the point that none of us have anything to be impatient about, yet. Whatever PK or Mizzle know, or think they know, is up to them - we all need to realise that until something comes from SE direct, with their name on it, none of this matters a damn.
Posted by _vAmpiRe_
On 2008-02-08 16:16, Boinng wrote
Let me just throw this out there - what if the P5 that PK had was just a one-off prototype, of a phone that's completely unviable as far as the market's concerned - too expensive to sell etc. PK reports it here in good faith, tells us how great it is, we all start slathering, we all start putting off that purchase of an Iphone... and all without a single actual promise from SE. Without a single press release, specification, timescale, or official confirmation of anything whatsoever. Not even a photo. Far fetched?
I don't think SE could do like this.. It's not good PR... If PK is watched by SE, they shurely knows that he is on this and other new phone-related threads. Why would they let him have a prototype witch is a complete spinn-off? If this P5 never hits the market, ok, SE never gave away any information about it, but it will absolutely hurt SE... Making people not trust PK (for giving false information) and SE for not being able to see customers (yes, that's us among others) demands....
[ This Message was edited by: _vAmpiRe_ on 2008-02-09 03:56 ]
[ This Message was edited by: _vAmpiRe_ on 2008-02-09 03:58 ]
Posted by kenx3000
@Boinng
Sorry, that last sentence wasn't to you, but the post after yours.
Posted by t0t0_b0y
@ PK
So, since the new P series won't have a "P" assigned to it, will it still be in the "mobile office" category? Since at the moment, the W960i which is a music/entertainment oriented device has the document viewer and editor function that in my opinion skewing the boundaries between mobile office and entertainment devices.
Cheers
Posted by doministry
Who told you it won't have P indicator???
They just said the new series is coming, probably G.
P will be shown later.
[ This Message was edited by: doministry on 2008-02-09 12:38 ]
Posted by famous12
This topic is coming to its end
Posted by razec
On 2008-02-10 06:10:48, famous12 wrote:
This topic is coming to its end
not yet imho
Posted by famous12
On 2008-02-10 06:28:19, razec wrote:
On 2008-02-10 06:10:48, famous12 wrote:
This topic is coming to its end
not yet imho
imo this thread will come to an end soon bcuz if the p5i is announced ill come to an end and if its not announced then ppl get will frustrated and stop posting.
Posted by razec
^^ frustrated
what if the G900's specs amazes P5 expectators? it will be enough to drive people's attention away from this over-hyped SE phone