Posted by moogoo
I hope that X890i phone is a joke, because I'd surely be disappointed with SE's designers!
Big screen is nice and all, but that thing is U-G-L-Y.
Posted by GTommy
Something new I can say about Beibei...You all new that SE is using womens names on their new phones...But Beibei is the first chinese name...this is because she is the first symbian for SE that is developed in China...
Posted by NightBlade
On 2008-02-02 23:14:28, moogoo wrote:
I hope that X890i phone is a joke, because I'd surely be disappointed with SE's designers!
Big screen is nice and all, but that thing is U-G-L-Y.
I think you just insulted the guy who photoshopped this...
You shouldn't be that harsh, you know.
[ This Message was edited by: NightBlade on 2008-02-03 00:17 ]
Posted by razec
On 2008-02-02 23:59:06, NightBlade wrote:
On 2008-02-02 23:14:28, moogoo wrote:
I hope that X890i phone is a joke, because I'd surely be disappointed with SE's designers!
Big screen is nice and all, but that thing is U-G-L-Y.
I think you just insluted the guy who photoshopped this...
You shouldn't be that harsh, you know.
i like the concept to be honest, although the looks can still improve. agree with nightblade you should not be rude
Posted by *Jojo*
Can we see here a: non-SQUARED-shape
wannabee fone 
It's always squared 
Posted by razec
On 2008-02-03 02:16:56, *Jojo* wrote:
Can we see here a: non-SQUARED-shape
wannabee fone It's always squared
SE can, but just look at wirstwatch phone, as well as the 7600 and xelibri, or even the Panasonic G70, did they become very popular and well sold like candybars(squarish)
Posted by drsilverworm
On 2008-02-03 02:16:56, *Jojo* wrote:
Can we see here a: non-SQUARED-shape
wannabee fone It's always squared
What would you like, a circle? A triangle??? As displays are typically quadrilaterally shaped, a similar shape best houses most phones without wasting too much space...
Posted by razec
On 2008-02-03 07:29:44, drsilverworm wrote:
On 2008-02-03 02:16:56, *Jojo* wrote:
Can we see here a: non-SQUARED-shape
wannabee fone It's always squared
What would you like, a circle? A triangle??? As displays are typically quadrilaterally shaped, a similar shape best houses most phones without wasting too much space...
He wants something like this
http://www.gsmarena.com/panasonic_g70-557.php
or this:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_watch_phone-418.php
or this:
http://www.gsmarena.com/resul[....]arch=yes&sName=siemens+xelibri
or even this:
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_7600-538.php
or this:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_serenata-2130.php
which of those Jojo
Posted by rizkiumar
Guys, it's exciting reading this "rumours" thread. I "wish" it's:
- faster proc than M600/P990/P1 (600+MHZ)
- Bigger Ram size (128/256MB)
- Bigger screen size, min @ 3" with wide-QVGA res (yes, QVGA, higher res will make the text too small to comfortably read)
- side slide key is great but butterfly keyboard is really SE
- micro/mini SD support
- built-in MSN & Yahoo messenger (it's a must!!!)
- junk control on email
- enhance pdf reader, faster page rendering
will there be an M5i? (P5i minus camera & Wifi) if there is, it'll be my future phone.
[ This Message was edited by: rizkiumar on 2008-02-03 08:07 ]
Posted by Drasko
People!
The SE have a last two years a big problem (like Nokia before a few years).
Almost all their phones looks aprox. the same: the quadratic simple box box with an ordinary shape! The phone must be much complicated in shapes today (like cars). Take for example only new candy bar models from Nokia (E51 and coming E71). Every part of the phone is different and from different material!
So SE you have a lot of job to do!
Posted by NightBlade
On 2008-02-03 11:29:23, Drasko wrote:
People!
The SE have a last two years a big problem (like Nokia before a few years).
Almost all their phones looks aprox. the same: the quadratic simple box box with an ordinary shape! The phone must be much complicated in shapes today (like cars). Take for example only new candy bar models from Nokia (E51 and coming E71). Every part of the phone is different and from different material!
So SE you have a lot of job to do!
That is SO not true.
Posted by MYB87
i think SE only problem that they cant deliver devices on time bug free (especially with new software)
which leads to the next point, how can u trust SE that they will fix the problems after the UIQ3 devices incident
Posted by chombos1
On 2008-02-03 11:29:23, Drasko wrote:
People!
...........................Almost all their phones looks aprox. the same: the quadratic simple box box with an ordinary shape! The phone must be much complicated in shapes today (like cars). Take for example only new candy bar models from Nokia (E51 and coming E71). Every part of the phone is different and from different material!
So SE you have a lot of job to do!
i am not a SE die hard but... i TOTALY disagree with that. (i think nokia will never catch SE in design) --- changes in the car designs have other reasons too like aerodynamics and stability..... so when there is a good looking and ergonomic wise form factor for the mobiles (that you call it box) there is no need to change that too much.
Posted by bavlondon2
SE could fix all their problems if they just released European variants of all their Asian phones.
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
^^^ and honestly I think that would be cheaper too. They wouldn't have to spend money developing all these models for markets outside Japan, all they need to do it is convert them to GSM!
Posted by skblakee
On 2008-02-03 12:03:31, MYB87 wrote:
i think SE only problem that they cant deliver devices on time bug free (especially with new software)
which leads to the next point, how can u trust SE that they will fix the problems after the UIQ3 devices incident
Therein lies the main problem for
and what the majority of people are concerned about. Ever since the debacle that was the p990 people have become tepid in their outlook for new UIQ phones from .
They/we all look at this thread and we look to guys like PK because we don't want to have to endure the crap that was the P990.
needs to be able to release solid phones that are stable and operate at least at 90% of their stated features.
Their top end phones needs to reflect not just top end prices but also top end mundane features such 3.5 mm jack,quad band,1250Mah Batteries,HSPDA,include decent headphones.
Those things are sooo basic and mundane yet
leaves them out. Shouldn't they expect to be beaten silly by Nokia?
Posted by Drasko
Well
This Little discussion show Blade that there is something!
SE must produce a series of some kind of phones
which must fulfill listed attributes mentioned in this last post (and before that).
Every time when they change the phone they do it also with UI and OS
and I can not tear off of idea that SE is testing their phones on us!
But this is expensive for us and maybe and for them because customers can loose their patience and take another phone in the growing offer.
The time of divine loyalty are gone.
Posted by skblakee
On 2008-02-03 14:09:43, Drasko wrote:
Well
Every time when they change the phone they do it also with UI and OS
and I can not tear off of idea that SE is testing their phones on us!
But this is expensive for us and maybe and for them because customers can loose their patience and take another phone in the growing offer.
The time of divine loyalty are gone.
I quite agree with you. just look at the P990i and the P1i. Were they really serious in releasing the p990i with all those bugs?
Now imagine that I bought the 990 at full price and it comes with some crappy plastic headphones that are big enough to fit in elephants ears then I see a friend of mines with the w810i much cheaper with top class headset included in the box?
Mundane things like these is what Nokia is beating
and others with. When you buy an E series from Nokia you get a definite business phone. When you buy an N series you definitely get a multimedia phone. If you buy one of their low end phones you definitely get a low end phone that performs as stated.
With
you get something that you have to think about afterwards and keep hooking up to SEUS then coming to Esato to find answers to. Not that I mind coming to Esato 
.
Posted by Tigershark42
What!? The phone should do exactly 100% of what the manufacturer says it does. Otherwise, you wouldnt be wrong to make a legal case of it, if you wanted to. Not too unthinkable when you consider the cost of these phones. Anyway, I personally think that SE would avoid such errors at all costs, and with the time theyre taking to release the phone, and the beta testing thats involved and the redevelopments that have taken place (not to mention PK's additional assurance) this new phone should be great. Theres no reason why it shouldnt.
People I see it as completely misinterpreted when you use the P990 as the be all end all case study. The P990 seemed almost experimental, because it was the first of its kind for SE. It was huge because at the time hardware wasnt as advanced, it was buggy because the software wasnt as advanced, it was expensive because there was nothing else like it and it was ugly because that was before the whole apple era, so the market was not nearly as aware of product design and aesthetics issues as it is today.
I think that UIQ3 is now a reasonably stable platform, and any step ups from it will show greater improvements with fewer shortcomings. SE know what they are doing. And I think that when they made the P990 they knew what they were doing too. Remember: it was the first which was a phone and PDA hybrid, of course it would evolve and get better with time. How could they just churn out a W960 if they had nothing to start with?
Take the P1: it is smaller, has better specs, doesnt have the same issues to it, has better hardware (e.g. better camera) it is much more aesthetically pleasing, and so on. The same will be the case when it comes to Pnext. Its just the way the latest and greatest will develop. Now if you were talking about low end phones, then of course youd have a point because the technology would be there from phones of a higher ranking, and its all a case of the right ingredients and presentation.
In my opinion SE is not like the other mobile manufacturers. They show much greater design consciousness, and the market responds to that, because I see many people with SE handsets on a daily basis whether they have the best specs or not. Obviously, when it comes to the flagship, the specs have to be there. I think Pnext will introduce a whole host of features previously unseen in SE devices. Isnt the cancellation of updates for the P990, PK's word, a new man in charge of SE, and the buzz around 3GSM 2008 good enough indication of this? Its just a matter of time.
Posted by skblakee
Tigershark42;
I certainly think that a phone should do 100% of what is stated however I disagree that we shouldn't use the 990 as a plat form for future phones. Why?
One,because i paid full price for what many now see as an experiment. Two,because
has made some simplistic mistakes that seem almost unforgivable. I lived on both coasts of the US and in the Caribbean last year with my P990i and i kept getting this same crap about 850 in certain areas. That should not be in a hi end phone/PDA.
just needs to restore their credibility.
Posted by bider
Hi all. Here comes P5i again. This time 2 variants...
Posted by dancingfate
On 2008-02-03 16:59:28, bider wrote:
Hi all. Here comes P5i again. This time 2 variants...
With so many photoshops here, now I'm confused which one will the real P5 looks like.
Posted by CrazyGuns
lol pk has the prototype, even he would get confused reading this thread!
the last one was nice, not as good as sealover's.
Posted by PeterKay
On 2008-02-03 18:15:47, CrazyGuns wrote:
lol pk has the prototype, even he would get confused reading this thread!
the last one was nice, not as good as sealover's.
I am confused.com
Posted by patr!ck
@ PK: Can you say, which of the whole photoshops is most similar to the real P5i, please :) ?
_________________
Sorry for my Mistakes, but i´m an 15years old German =)
[ This Message was edited by: paba92 on 2008-02-03 17:57 ]
Posted by Tigershark42
PK I have a question if you would be so kind: how is the keyboard: I'm not asking about any specifics, just do you find it to be a convenient and useful design.
Oh also, tell other ppl here that this ISNT going to be any form of P990 fiasco.
[ This Message was edited by: Tigershark42 on 2008-02-03 17:54 ]
Posted by chuksy
On 2008-02-03 18:50:16, paba92 wrote:
@ PK: Can you say, what of those all photoshops is THE one, that is nearly real?
Pk cant tell u that....he's said that a million times.Don't you guys get it?
[ This Message was edited by: chuksy on 2008-02-03 17:56 ]
Posted by patr!ck
Sorry... i´m new here in this forum... it doesn´t happen a second time :(
Posted by PeterKay
no need to apologise, mistakes happen.
Can't say much guys, hope you understand.
Posted by Lunion
I sure as hell hope it's this one!!
Posted by moogoo
On 2008-02-02 23:59:06, NightBlade wrote:
On 2008-02-02 23:14:28, moogoo wrote:
I hope that X890i phone is a joke, because I'd surely be disappointed with SE's designers!
Big screen is nice and all, but that thing is U-G-L-Y.
I think you just insulted the guy who photoshopped this...
You shouldn't be that harsh, you know.
[ This Message was edited by: NightBlade on 2008-02-03 00:17 ]
I apologize. I did not mean to be rude. I actually thought it was an actual phone, not a photoshop made by someone. I apologize wholehearted for my comments.
Posted by jakontil
i have to agree with LUNION, looks great, but i thought it was simliar with the 6500 sliding?
Posted by ScoreP
Check this out Beibei's first pic
http://blog.se-nse.net/2008/0[....]usive-first-picture-of-beibei/
[ This Message was edited by: ScoreP on 2008-02-04 14:33 ]
Posted by PeterKay
very nice.
well done Miz.
Posted by makbil
On 2008-02-03 15:24:39, Tigershark42 wrote:
What!? The phone should do exactly 100% of what the manufacturer says it does. Otherwise, you wouldnt be wrong to make a legal case of it, if you wanted to. Not too unthinkable when you consider the cost of these phones. Anyway, I personally think that SE would avoid such errors at all costs, and with the time theyre taking to release the phone, and the beta testing thats involved and the redevelopments that have taken place (not to mention PK's additional assurance) this new phone should be great. Theres no reason why it shouldnt.
Plenty of reason. After more than a year and enough uproar that SE wants to erase all evidence of P990 ever existing, it still does not conform to published specifications. Needless to say, the only beta testing SE did with the P990 was to see if they could switch it on.
People I see it as completely misinterpreted when you use the P990 as the be all end all case study. The P990 seemed almost experimental, because it was the first of its kind for SE. It was huge because at the time hardware wasnt as advanced, it was buggy because the software wasnt as advanced, it was expensive because there was nothing else like it and it was ugly because that was before the whole apple era, so the market was not nearly as aware of product design and aesthetics issues as it is today.
Excuse me but just where did SE say that the P990 was an experimental device? When I paid the equivalent of a notebook's price for the P990, I expected to get a device that performed as advertised. It doesn't even meet the specifications published by SE themselves.
I think that UIQ3 is now a reasonably stable platform, and any step ups from it will show greater improvements with fewer shortcomings. SE know what they are doing. And I think that when they made the P990 they knew what they were doing too. Remember: it was the first which was a phone and PDA hybrid, of course it would evolve and get better with time. How could they just churn out a W960 if they had nothing to start with?
SE might have had a concept idea when they started with the P990, based on the excellent P900/910. Other than that they had no idea of what they were doing. All the delays with the P990 to finally release it in a state that should not have been clearly shows that.
Take the P1: it is smaller, has better specs, doesnt have the same issues to it, has better hardware (e.g. better camera) it is much more aesthetically pleasing, and so on.
The P1 is a sorry attempt by SE to cover up their P990 fiasco. It has basically the same hw as the P990 with a smaller screen, no lens cover and a funny keyboard. Even though the P1 is supposed to have a better camera, the P990 takes better pictures, at least there is no green tint! P1 is not really an advancement over the P990, they just learned about some of their mistakes and tried to correct them, messing up other things in the process. They could have come up with a 128 MB RAM P990 which would have been better but then they would have admitted their mistake with the original P990.
In my opinion SE is not like the other mobile manufacturers. They show much greater design consciousness, and the market responds to that, because I see many people with SE handsets on a daily basis whether they have the best specs or not.
Yes and if you keep looking you will see these same people struggling to find out why their brand new shiny SE phone has this or that problem and why it doesn't work properly.
Posted by fumi_moon
At those posting about BeiBei, how exactly does BeiBei have anything to do with Paris/P5i?
And BeiBei is not a super high-end like Paris/P5i so I do wonder why so many seem to get so exited about it, seriously, why not bring some info on Paris/P5i, this is after all a Paris/P5i thread, right?
Posted by PeterKay
correct.
Posted by sealover94
Get on-topic guys
More news coming soon about P5
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2008-02-04 18:11 ]
Posted by PeterKay
On 2008-02-04 15:56:02, sealover94 wrote:
Get on-topic guys
More news coming soon about P5
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2008-02-04 14:56 ]
great news
Posted by Mizzle
Yet another concept @sealover?
Posted by PeterKay
On 2008-02-04 16:00:49, Mizzle wrote:
Yet another concept @sealover?
He may be closer this time Miz
Posted by xell
1000 apes, 1000 years...?
Posted by Tigershark42
@makbil
Im afraid I must agree to disagree with you there. It was experimental in that they were aiming that high with a P device for the first time. Of course it should not have had bugs and should have been fine, and I'm sure I would feel the same as you if I would have bought one too, so I understand your point. However, it is wrong to say that P1 is not an advancement over the P990. By definition, if it is an improvement in some way (even though you may choose to belittle that improvement) it is still progress. The p1 is smaller, more compact, has no bugs, DOES have a better camera (green tint? Ive seen pretty good pics taken with a p1- and with the w960, I believe they use the same camera module and IMO its fine), and is overall not a revolution over the P990, fine, but its incremental improvements still make it more advanced. Its not the one to replace the P990 with, but it is the better choice for anyone wanting their first P device.
My original point was that the P990 cant be used as a perfect example for the P5 because SE were different back then, its a fairly recent company and change is rapid, surely you can agree with that. The consumer market was different too.
ANYWAY: Back to the glorious P5i:
Sealover, PK, Mizzle:
News? What news?
Im sure we all have high expectations here, so if its good news, Im looking forward to eventually finding out what it is Just a few more days now till the supposed announcement date [ This Message was edited by: Tigershark42 on 2008-02-04 15:40 ]
Posted by PeterKay
Few days indeed, your patience appreciated
Posted by Tigershark42
Hey PK do you as a beta tester get to keep the prototypes youre given if you want to? If so lucky you
What an awesome, awesome occupation
Posted by PeterKay
In the past i could keep them and i would sell them to members here on Esato or other forums, but now the rules are stricter and this cannot be done anymore, the protos need to go back once the evaluation is complete
Posted by ScoreP
Of course this is a P5i rumour thread but this thread is also full of other info which is why it has reached 180 pages. Beibei is mentioned in this thread quite of few times and it was just info for those people.
Back to the topic P5i wait is over very soon once SE
wakes up which is just in few days.
[ This Message was edited by: ScoreP on 2008-02-04 16:07 ]
Posted by doministry
Nothing makes me to be sure it's only few days for Pnext to be announced.
It's our hopes rather.
@makbil
I'd say: mistakes by SE are made,
improvement is needed and probably has been done,
so I think it will be different story than P990. And it's true: no matter how you like/dislike P1, it's basically a phone which appeared READY to the market, without a year of waiting to be stable/good. Even if it's just an improvement (true) and in some ways just an excuse (a simple cost cutting: updated two devices by one!). So I believe Pnext follows the quality improvement.
And in my case, if Pnext dissapoints me, I quit SE smartphones, just to use something what is really for me.
As for today, nothing REALLY attracts me in the form factor aspect.
Posted by Tigershark42
I agree about the form factor, but I suppose that goes hand in hand with the UI adopted. I would'nt have liked it at all a few years ago, but after having used the iphone I must admit, its more practical than it first seemed, and once you get used to the idea of a touchscreen (on any device) you start to wonder why so many hardware buttons are even needed. I think SE are, to an extent emulating the iphone here and there (look at the K660i and you tell me that it doesn't look alot like the iphone overall). I think the UI wont be too far from what the iphone uses (its pretty difficult to come up with a touch finger interface that is very different, IMO), and I am perfectly fine with that, because its more natural and convenient to use the phone that way. However, what I hope is that it's alot more comprehensive when it comes to specs and features, because thats what makes the iphone a loser IMO.
Posted by gola
On 2008-02-02 01:13:23, doministry wrote:
We don't even have any leaking photos here.