Posted by Tigershark42
NEEDS, yes, absolutely. Im asking whether it will have it or not.
Posted by doministry
Maybe not if nobody answers?
I'd be f... disappointed if NOT.
Posted by rss_ndrsn
if Opera 9 will be used as the web browser of bei bei and paris, then Flashlite v3.0 should be supported.
Just my opinion.
[ This Message was edited by: rss_ndrsn on 2008-01-28 21:23 ]
Posted by Satsuma
SEMC in Warrington have been looking for a FlashLite 3 integration partner last year, so it must be on the cards.
Posted by Wozik
what about VoIP functionality on paris and beibei?
Posted by Tigershark42
If you take a look at the new Cyber-shot phones released in japan
http://www.mobile-review.com/fullnews/main/index_eng.shtml#17658
You will notice some good developments, eg:
-GPS which takes note of where you are when you take a photo
-Video out
-2.8 inch widescreen
-480x800 p!!!!
-microSD storage cards
A good sign of things to come from SE maybe?
Posted by GTommy
I think a lot of people is saying things they don't knew about....
For sure Josephine and Tyra is based on the same platform as W960 is since they have the same bugs (firmware R6)....Beibei is based on new platform (with firmware currently in stage R1)...not sure if it will be a walkman or a P series...Maybe the new platform is called Paris...but from what I knew there is no new phone with the code name Paris.
So why isnt SE releasing all phones based on the same platform...3 things
Buggs, buggs, buggs (remember P990 and M600), battery and size...
Hopefully things get more clear after 3gsm in Barcelona...
I wonder if Beibei will be based on UIQ 3.2 (with symbian 9.2) or if it will some new UIQ that is based on the superb symbian 9.5 (with much greater memory handling).
Posted by GTommy
Peple I f**ked up some info in the last post...
Paris is indeed the new slider phone with 5 mp,
So i guess that Paris, Josephine and Tyra is the phones that will be press released in Barcelona...
However the Beibei is based on the new platform thar SE is currently working on (both hardware and software)...She is not ready to be released yet...The Pictures someone (Betatester) showed of a phone chassi is correct for Beibei. But since she a long time from release she can change design until release.
Posted by n3o
@GTommy
are you sure?about beibei
by the way which phones are Josephine and Tyra!??!
[ This Message was edited by: n3o on 2008-01-30 09:40 ]
Posted by badassmam
Are Josephine and Tyra also part of Xperia or are they P series phones?
Posted by GTommy
I only saw Beibei and Josephine...Josephine is a very slim phone similiar to W960 in function with 3,2Mp camera (no wlan). Not sure about Tyra but something similiar to Josephine...Beibei was fun but feelt cheap in material (prototype)...It has the scrollwheel where the joystick usually is. With Beibei SE changes how buttons work...But I must say that I am a little dissapointed on SE that they
1 late with new smartphones.
2 Didnt manage to release the same hardware spec that A200 currently have at the same time for their symbian. Meaning A200 developers and symbian developers don't cooperate so good. This is mainly a managment problem for SE (to many old farts are sitting behind the steering wheel of the company).
I think SE managers focus to much on A200 development sine they earn most money there...but they must understand that the future is in smartphones...
Now to something diffrent I have an idea...Why didn't phonemakers release a syste,/function that opens an ip link between phones that are callaing to each other...then people could send files, between each other during calls...
Posted by badassmam
@GT
So Beibei may try some new things in terms of buttons but is cheaply made. What do you think about the UIQ, is it good enough for the P5 in terms of using it with your fingers?
Posted by ares
Update: right now paris has still 3 different protos...they have yet to decide what will reach market...marketing campaign is prepared for all three, so when they decide near 3GSM, there will be no problems
Also, has i said in the other topic, SE is working with 2 new versions of UIQ, of them being UIQ4 based on Symbian 9.5. The other, that i canīt put my finger on, will be used in less powerfull phones
Posted by laurenke01
On 2008-01-30 14:05:37, ares wrote:
Update: right now paris has still 3 different protos...they have yet to decide what will reach market...marketing campaign is prepared for all three, so when they decide near 3GSM, there will be no problems
This may explain what had Mizzle so confused...there are multiple devices (possibly with different specs) running around.
Thanks for the update.
I hope SE chooses to correct one.
Posted by dr_thug
@SE Staff,
Courier me all the protos,i will be glad to help you
Posted by fumi_moon
And I hope SE chooses the right one to, the one with highest specs and newest UIQ, I want no UIQ 3.0 with an old Symbian 9.1
And I hope SE understands the finer points with a super high-end device, after all, this is not suppose to be a low end phone that everyone can buy, this is a flagship, and you don't use mediocre specs with a flagship, it's suppose to show what SE can do.
I know they want to maximise the income on every model, but with a flagship that is not always the point, SE, stop make everyone disappointed with a super-high-end that is closer to mid-end, seriously.
Posted by laurenke01
The three protos may not actually be different spec-wise...they may just each have different form factors (vertical slider, horizontal slider, bar).
Considering the rumors regarding the specs haven't changed (except for when it was actually upgraded to OMAP 3), I doubt SE would suddenly downgrade everything to make it appeal to the masses.
It'll be high-end.
And it better be quadband...or I shall cry.
Posted by Tigershark42
It would be so awesome if they released, all at the same time, the three of them, each with a different form factor and slightly different look, but same specs. THAT would be something Ive never seen before. Probably not very good as a business strategy, but what showmanship!
lol! I hope for quadband too.
Posted by bodeh6
Not Only QuadBand GSM but Triband HSDPA just like all the other newer phones to come out (K850i, Z750i, W760). Can't have a flagship not have all the bands. HSUPA/HSPA+ would be nice. QuadBand HSDPA for AWS 1700 band would make it ultimate (and stop T-Mobile USA people from complaining).
[ This Message was edited by: bodeh6 on 2008-01-30 14:17 ]
Posted by ares
laurenke, you are right...no differences in specs, but form factor...still...my contact said he really canīt decide what he likes more of the 3
Posted by bodeh6
I am hoping a side slide out QWERTY version makes it out. I don't want to see a vertical slide keyboard ala the HTC Touch Dual. Having a side slide out like the TYTN and Sony Mylo would make web surfing and document editing more desktop like.
Posted by Tigershark42
do you know/are you allowed to say which form factors they are (or give hints)?
same here. Side slide or no slide at all. I hope skyfire for UIQ will be out by then. Of course, Opera 9 may just be awesome enough anyway XD
Also, I really hope the chosen form factor is not a flip phone. Do not like flip phones. That includes the wierd flippy growth to be found on the poor mutated P990.
[ This Message was edited by: Tigershark42 on 2008-01-30 14:26 ]
Posted by ares
its not that i am not alowed...but i got nothing else on that...i just donīt know, because there are limits to what all these guys can release, now that we are so close to the announcement
Posted by Tigershark42
I understand, of course. Thanks very much anyway. But I maintain. The three form factors should be front slider, side slider or candybar. Hopefully no flip or swivel or anything horrible. Remember SE: this should be a mobile powerhouse not another fashion accessory. I would be astonished if they used that duel slide idea for it >D
Posted by laurenke01
On 2008-01-30 15:17:04, bodeh6 wrote:
Not Only QuadBand GSM but Triband HSDPA just like all the other newer phones to come out (K850i, Z750i, W760).
Well, naturally, this is best, but I can do without 3G if I have to. But considering three "dumbphones" have gotten triband HSDPA, it would be silly for the P5i not to have it.
Also, my city is supposed to get HSDPA soon...so the P5i would be the perfect phone to test it on.
I hope it's stacked.
[ This Message was edited by: laurenke01 on 2008-01-30 14:31 ]
Posted by dr_thug
How about they release 2 high end P series with same specs with different form factor??Market them together...like in same ad campaign etc...
I want to see a flip and maybe a side slider..flip for me
IMO,Slider is so HTCish..big black screen is iPhonish/psp...and dual slider is UMPC kindof...
I hope the SE testers are doing a good job and not make the customers the beta testers
Posted by Tigershark42
Man theyre not going to invent a new form factor just so that in some people's eyes they havent 'copied' another handset. Besides. WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY would you want this to be a tacky flip phone????
Posted by bodeh6
Some people prefer flip phones. Not me but some do. Most smartphones are candybar, slider types. Very few flip phones, some people are waiting for a good Smartphone flip like the N93 was.
Posted by Tigershark42
I know, but its trivial. I just dont see why theyd prefer it. The only thing it offers is screen protection. But usually every time you snap it closed the phone gets rattled a lil bit inside and everything has to be lower tech because the phone is basically made in two halves. Screens tend to be smaller because of this, and this also means the phone overall will probably be thicker because so many components would have to be flattened a bit to fit. The razr is probably the thinnest contender we will se for a while. Thing is, you said smart phone. As soon as its a smart phone, when you have to add GPS parts, better camera functions, a touchscreen which is well protected, maybe room for a stylus, all the internal workings for the added HSDPA, the WLAN transducers etc, it will end up bulky like the N95. Dont get me wrong, it IS possible (eg the Tytn II is quite small when you consider all this- and it basically separates into to halves anyway). Thing is, phones such as the N93, its not that its a bad idea, its great if youre shooting video all day long, but for the rest of us, it doesnt seem practical to me.
Posted by adcamb
A version with very few buttons would be nice again. I miss the simplicity of the P800 to P910 with the flip removed.
Posted by Tigershark42
I just noticed: The Japanese mobiles released recently by SE also have 3x OPTICAL zoom >D
Posted by m-one
We'll also have 3x optical zoom by the end of this this year
First SE decided not to incorporate optical zoom into upcoming devices...but
thank god they changed their minds
The next phone which will have the optical zoom will be the K850i successor having its market debut in November this year.
Posted by Tigershark42
I was hoping the P5i would have it. I see no reason why Paris, Beibei, or any other upcoming models cant have optical zoom if SE are already using it. They have the technology, so why wait. It would benefit us and increase their share of the market.
Posted by tajrian
Business users dont need optical zoom, as a matter of fact some companies ban employees from using camera phones.
Posted by cmikilp
On 2008-01-30 20:56:33, tajrian wrote:
Business users dont need optical zoom, as a matter of fact some companies ban employees from using camera phones.
...like Volvo
Posted by doministry
That's interesting that optical zoom is discussed here,
but nobody thinks of like a good Word implementation,
Or even more convinient Messaging app,
I mean c'mon a phone is not a camera to make art photos (maybe it will be some day....)
Just my viewpoint.
Posted by Tigershark42
...Thats because we're not THAT boring
Posted by badassmam
Boring maybe, but good point. I'd like to see a proper OCR for scanning in documents, a step forward from the business card reader in the P1. Would save people like me a hell of a lot of time and I wouldn't have to carry a full trees worth of paper around.
Posted by Tigershark42
Well, improved resolution and a larger screen should aid document handling in general. Maybe an update of quickoffice could be used in the new UIQ. It will definately be there though. How would a phone be an OCR scanner? Surely you can just take a picture if you have a nice 5MPX Camera with optical zoom and a macro mode. Still, the only way to truly get it in document form is using a copier or scanner. A phone is simply too small to scan an A4 sheet so that it appears flat IMO. Hmmn I see what you mean though, it could convert it into text, etc. That WOULD be genuinely useful. Though people have told me that the business card scanner is very buggy. Would be great if they added that though.
[ This Message was edited by: Tigershark42 on 2008-01-30 20:51 ]
Posted by badassmam
Reason I say is that my uni mate has a pen scanner that's a bit larger than an average highlighter pen. You scan line by line, then he'd IR transfer it to his P900 as a word document which he would then print. While I would carry 3 or 4 huge library books, he would just have his pen and P900. I think it's quite valid and so damn useful for students, teachers, you name it. I wish the P5 is full of little extra features to set it apart from the others i.e. some Walkmans have accelerometer and shake feature while others don't, I want a total package and I see what you guys mean by SE not putting in AF into all phones when they have the ability. It has to be bad ass not half ass.
Posted by Tigershark42
Very true. Theyre never as concerned with specs as other manufacturers. Given that, youd at least expect there to be more to them which makes up for figures which at the moment are lagging behind the rest.
Posted by doministry
Yes,
valid points,
just my point was that if Px brings amazing video recording but built in Office will not be able to handle like 60 pages Word document,
in this case I rather omit it, it will be another "shiny" and fashion toy,
without any real work abilities.
i may be boring for you,
but playing toys is not on my first place, but usability,
I hope it won't be lost on Pnext, or rather improved. I mean, why should I purchase DocsToGo, if I buy a flagship?
I'm so curious how will it be.
Posted by makbil
I also hope that at least one of these UIQ devices will be a decent business phone. I don't really care that much about optical zoom or 30 fps video recording. Decent quality pictures and decent video playback is quite sufficient. On the other hand, I expect to see great improvement in PIM functions, backup/restore, data synchronization. I definitely do not want a P1 style keyboard. Flip would be nice but I will keep an open mind for other designs.
It is very important for me that the device is a phone first, ease of use as phone only, then a PDA, not the other way round. This means I should be able to do most things one handed, just like on the P990.
An iPhone wannabe or a Walkman/Cybershot is not my idea of a business phone and does not appeal to me. I'd rather have good email features (including proper attachment handling) than a silly shake feature for media player.
Up to now, the previous "P"series devices were able to deliver this and more. Let's see what these new Symbian devices bring us...
Posted by Tigershark42
I agree with both of you come to think of it, which brings me to my point that their flagship phone should not be a P device. I thought it would be best that it would be some combination of walkman and cyber-shot, or the now rumoured Xperia. These ranges would have a whole spectrum of different users. The business users, however, would want something that phones, has all the connectivity and business functions, and that is it. Still, bear in mind that the P in P-series stands for PDA, so its never necessarily been business oriented only. The phones seem more suitable to those who want the business tools, but also like having pretty good specs, more the executive type, as I thought it. Anyway, I have a feeling that this device will be much better in pretty much every way. Its been so long since the P990 was released, and since then nothing has really come along and improved on it IMO. P1 had better specs, but in terms of PDA usability its not as if the web browser was much better, or the email use, or the document handling parts (yes, I know they were probably faster). With the implimentation of a new UI I think all of this will be rethought. Hopefully it will not be the same version of Quickoffice which has been around for years (Im actually suprised Microsoft hasnt tried to sell some Office Mobile '07 as a symbian app). The soon to arrive Opera 9 and Skyfire web browsers should ensure a good internet browsing experience, and the latest connectivity should be there (HSDPA AND HSUPA if you are a frequent business user) WLAN b AND g, etc.
Posted by makbil
You are right in that the previous P series had all the bells and whistles in addition to business tools. If SE can put everything in one device the flagship could still be a business phone, which is something of a misnomer though. Actually every phone should have decent backup/restore, sync capabilities. Business users want extended messaging capabilities and others want better camera and music options. So, a good designer could have all these at the same place. The question is, does SE have that designer working for them?
Posted by Drasko
@makbil
You are abs. right!
This (or maybe another new business ser. phone) must be completely capable to work like a phone/massinger/PDA apparatus!
With all keys, wheels, touches and stylus and all kind of keyboards!
This include also and completely mechanical and OS robustness and also gabarites!
After that they must worry about multimedia and another stuff!
Of course if they (SE) want this kind of phones to produce and sell!
Again, I must to underline (sorry) the Nokiaīs E phones portfolio where this firm is recently distinct this kind of phones (E51 and E71) from another
Good luck SE!
Posted by doministry
Right,
I'd just a little modify
Tigersharks42 idea,
I mean - flagship should contain ALL best what is possible for a smartphone,
Exactly when you buy a highend laptop,
it's not having selected features - I mean to some extent it gives alot in all fields.
So, I'm not ONLY writing docs on my phone. Media are important, modern time feature,
I rather speak about priorities.
Posted by Tigershark42
Yes, but what I meant was, fine, nothing wrong with having a P-series flagship, thats great. But for people who want the business core of a P series device, why not have a lower end device with fewer multimedia functions and other features; just having all the business capabilities and connectivity a business user would actually need.
Posted by moogoo
looks like Pnext has more competition from an unlikely competitor.... Garmin.
The nuviphone has been announced.
http://www8.garmin.com/nuvifone/
Posted by PeterKay
The garmin is nice but not as nice as the next P Series.