Posted by Mizzle
There is now then, and yes, there has always been something wrong with discussing a thing that has nothing to the with the thread
P5:
Sliding keyboard and different home screens you can navigate between by pressing left and right. Also, we've got a sliding mechanism on the back of the phone as a lens protector for the camera. "5 MP" is also stated on the back near the camera. It comes with a stylus even though the user interface can easily be used with your finger as well. It's black and a bit smaller than P1. It has a built-in GPS (NaviLink 5.0 NL5350) with WayFinder 7.0 built-in as well as a weather application and the new Opera Mobile 9 with intelligent zoom and widgets. Based on OMAP34xx hardware platform.
Posted by sealover94
Be patient
Two weeks left
Posted by patr!ck
what´s that sealover? Is this the P5i :) hoping that^^
Posted by doministry
So, as for me,
the most interesting things are:
Qwerty?
Office apps - how they work?
Total processor speed?
Opera 9 - does it support Flash?
Messaging app - how is it working?
Wifi g?
I believe UI will be awesome and basically speed/memory will be great too,
that's axciting.
In fact dissapointment with this device will end up on quiting SE products.
Through last year my requirements (not only mine) have rosen up high, I'm really curious how will it be with Pnext.
Posted by Mizzle
Don't you ever get tired of making new photoshops? I think we must have about 50 different versions of your P5 on Esato now....
Posted by patr!ck
I´m happy about every photoshopped P5i @ esato :D
Posted by bider
On 2008-01-26 15:54:11, doministry wrote:
So, as for me,
the most interesting things are:
Qwerty?
Office apps - how they work?
Total processor speed?
Opera 9 - does it support Flash?
Messaging app - how is it working?
Wifi g?
I believe UI will be awesome and basically speed/memory will be great too,
that's axciting.
In fact dissapointment with this device will end up on quiting SE products.
Through last year my requirements (not only mine) have rosen up high, I'm really curious how will it be with Pnext.
It's really hard to say which processor will be installed. I think that OMAP3420. It has >=600 MHz. Mizzle said OMAP 34xx series, but 3410 can't control 5MP camera and 3430 has a controller even for 12MP. 3420 fits the specs...
Posted by m-one
I'm also sick of that photoshops
Though you are talented in PS, it's getting more and more boring to see those pics every two pages knowing the real one won't be looking like that.
Posted by chuksy
[ This Message was edited by: chuksy on 2008-01-26 17:10 ]
Posted by laurenke01
Though you are talented in PS, it's getting more and more boring to see those pics every two pages knowing the real one won't be looking like that.
I'm not so sure. I'm having serious deja vu of the P1i right now...and I suspect sealover's 'Shops are at least 95% accurate, or more.
Love the specs...love the device. Can't wait.
Posted by Tigershark42
Mizzle:
Thank you so much for all that info
You may think its 'ruining the suprise', but that makes me want to see it all the more
I wont bother you with any more Q's now
Posted by zaxan
On 2008-01-26 16:22:06, laurenke01 wrote:
Though you are talented in PS, it's getting more and more boring to see those pics every two pages knowing the real one won't be looking like that.
I'm not so sure. I'm having serious deja vu of the P1i right now...and I suspect sealover's 'Shops are at least 95% accurate, or more.
Love the specs...love the device. Can't wait.
I agree, and this latest one is looking amazing
Posted by jack00
that p5 wouldn't really be very ergonimical to use
ps skills aren't everything if you want to design a product, if you really want to get seriously into product design, start drawing with a normal pencil
Posted by xironghostx
On 2008-01-26 16:35:49, jack00 wrote:
that p5 wouldn't really be very ergonimical to use
ps skills aren't everything if you want to design a product, if you really want to get seriously into product design, start drawing with a normal pencil
I would say that you need to be able to make it in clay too.
Posted by sealover94
I love SE 's philosophy
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Posted by laurenke01
OK, so that screen is way bigger than 2.8 inches. (Assuming that's supposed to be an accurate size comparison, which it may not be if Paris is supposed to be slightly smaller than the P1.)
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Posted by Mizzle
@icaka
No need to state it as unconfirmed. And Bella can be removed as it was the one with the old hardware
Posted by bider
@Mizzle
Can you estimate if the display used in Paris is bigger than 2,8''?
Posted by Mizzle
On 2008-01-26 17:17:51, bider wrote:
@Mizzle
Can you estimate if the display used in Paris is bigger than 2,8''?
No, but sealover's concept is - not surprisingly - way over the line.
Posted by laurenke01
I suppose that's good. I've had a phone with a 2.8 inch screen before, and I personally do not need anything bigger than that. It's difficult to operate one-handed otherwise.
Thanks for all the info, Mizzle.
Posted by m-one
On 2008-01-26 17:20:07, Mizzle wrote:
On 2008-01-26 17:17:51, bider wrote:
@Mizzle
Can you estimate if the display used in Paris is bigger than 2,8''?
No, but sealover's concept is - not surprisingly - way over the line.
Do you mean he has over-egged the pudding?
Posted by Mizzle
@m-one
Yup and overfilled the bowl.
Posted by bider
@Mizzle
If you are able to give us informations such as the placing of 5MP caption on the back, I'm pretty sure you can give us a lot more info about its design... Please
Posted by gauravsali
On 2008-01-26 17:34:39, Mizzle wrote:
@m-one
Yup and overfilled the bowl.
@ Mizzle
do u mean that sealovers photoshop is showing much advnce design than real p5?
Posted by bavlondon2
PK said it was like 99% accurate so it cant have been that bad.
Posted by drgopoos
THe size of the screen has to be something like 3.5"
This would help in rendering the webpages and videos much better.
Also if SE would allow customization of the home screen, larger screen would help to in corporate more info.
Most of the good PDA s have more than 2.8 " screen and 3.5 " wud be fantastic.
Even apple iphone boasts of a 3.5" screen and i think p910i and p990i had big screen of this margin
Posted by chuksy
@ mizzle
Do you know if the p5 would be released in the US?
I think they need something like that over there cos their whole life seem to revolve around the iphone,which in my opinion is just hype and marketing
Posted by bider
On 2008-01-26 19:37:09, drgopoos wrote:
THe size of the screen has to be something like 3.5"
This would help in rendering the webpages and videos much better.
Also if SE would allow customization of the home screen, larger screen would help to in corporate more info.
Most of the good PDA s have more than 2.8 " screen and 3.5 " wud be fantastic.
Even apple iphone boasts of a 3.5" screen and i think p910i and p990i had big screen of this margin
I was using P910 and P990 for a quite long time. Now I have P1 and to tell you the truth, P1 display is quite sufficient. I know it's only 2.6''... P990 had 2.8'' and I thought there will be very big difference when I was changing to P1. I was wrong. I'd be happy if P5i display was something like 3''.
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Posted by Lunion
I want this phone... NOW!
Posted by laurenke01
On 2008-01-26 19:45:32, chuksy wrote:
Do you know if the p5 would be released in the US?
I think they need something like that over there cos their whole life seem to revolve around the iphone,which in my opinion is just hype and marketing
While I agree the iPhone is hype, the P5i would never be released here under an operator. It's wayyy too good for any American carrier. The average American consumer is still stuck in 2003, cell phone-wise.
Though, I fully expect it to be quadband (850 Mhz has been featured on every 2008 SE phone and many 2007 phones in some shape or form), so in that sense it will be "released" here, though it will be up to people to import it.
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Posted by abinge05
On 2008-01-26 20:42:08, laurenke01 wrote:
On 2008-01-26 19:45:32, chuksy wrote:
Do you know if the p5 would be released in the US?
I think they need something like that over there cos their whole life seem to revolve around the iphone,which in my opinion is just hype and marketing
While I agree the iPhone is hype, the P5i would never be released here under an operator. It's wayyy too good for any American carrier. The average American consumer is still stuck in 2003, cell phone-wise.
Though, I fully expect it to be quadband (850 Mhz has been featured on every 2008 SE phone and many 2007 phones in some shape or form), so in that sense it will be "released" here, though it will be up to people to import it.
[ This Message was edited by: laurenke01 on 2008-01-26 19:45 ]
2003 at best. Makes me depressed to see that it took so long just to get the k850i over here, who knows when we'll get the p5i. I think that the sad truth over here in the US is that people will continue to get the iPhone even after this is released because people will freak out when they see that this won't be compatible with iTunes, and assume that the iPhone is better because of that. It cracks me up when people ask me why I haven't gotten an iPhone yet, and I say that its because its not good enough and I'm waiting for the p5i. They look at me like I'm crazy.
Posted by Mizzle
On 2008-01-26 18:41:43, bavlondon2 wrote:
PK said it was like 99% accurate so it cant have been that bad.
Definitely not 99 percent resemblance.
Posted by janke1
the name of this triid is SE P5i Rumours and Photoshop Thread
what do you expect mizzle i think its nice to see people ideas
Posted by skblakee
If
has the gumption to come out with the next generation P series without quad band then they should lose more market share. I have been buying the P's each year hoping that quad band comes. It is now time.
Posted by Mizzle
@janke1
The thread was renamed, only because of the floods of concepts coming from users - mainly sealover.
Posted by janke1
keep on sealover the photochop are nice
Posted by famous12
On 2008-01-27 01:36:23, Mizzle wrote:
@janke1
The thread was renamed, only because of the floods of concepts coming from users - mainly sealover.
Which one of sealover concept is the closest to the P5i ? ?
Posted by famous12
On 2008-01-26 19:45:32, chuksy wrote:
@ mizzle
Do you know if the p5 would be released in the US?
I think they need something like that over there cos their whole life seem to revolve around the iphone,which in my opinion is just hype and marketing
dudde y dnt u just get it frm ebay ?? all SE phones are available there...so when p5i comes out get search n buy it frm ebay...thts exactly wat im gonna do
Posted by CrazyGuns
well that is what you can do IF the phone IS quad band and works in american networks....
Posted by Supa_Fly
On 2008-01-26 16:50:13, sealover94 wrote:
I love SE 's philosophy
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2008-01-26 15:53 ]
Some nice new information from SE-NSE Home lead me to post a little research - I've mentioned it on Esato a long while back but was completely ignored....
There are only 2 likely TI OMAP cpu's in use here and I'm VERY VERY Happy of them. I FIRST mentioned this under my same name on Esato but was completely ignored.
This is the TI OMAP: OMAP3420 Processor
http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbu...contentId=30083
Details:
* VGA quality video camcorder and playback, up to 5-megapixel still image capture, music playback and 3D gaming.
* It embeds Imagination Technologies' PowerVR SGX graphics core (VGA Recording @ 30fps is coming wink.gif ).
* The OMAP3420 is software compatible with all OMAP 2 and OMAP 3 processors, allowing a fully software scalable solution. (so UIQ3 development and app cross-over, or quick firmware OTA updates shouldn't be an issue.
* Advanced Superscalar ARM® Cortex™-A8 RISC core.
* 65-nm CMOS process technology adds processing performance while reducing power consumption. (EXACTLY what we ALL come to expect in SE phones from the T18z/T39m to present day K850i).
So to some up, the meat of the OMAP3420 shares many of the technologies that are present in the OMAP3430 and OMAP3410 devices, including a 65-nanometer (nm) CMOS process, the ARM® Cortex™-A8 superscalar microprocessor core.
The P5i is looking good ... lets hope its design is better than what Sealover's magnificent design's have shown us - PURE sales worldwide, has Triband HSDPA (heck even HSUPA would be the BOMB)! Also A configurable LED indicator ... similar to what users on the BlackBerry side have seen would be VERY functional even with the screen backlight turned off/screen off - still giving users critical messaging and network / communications (BT) information at a glance; this saves power for app usuage. But no matter how stylish this can be ... its gotta be functional in the hand to use.
Personally, the P1i looks great ... but I think SE could've saved HUGE development dollars and only focused on teh W960i. Release that 4mths earlier - still perfected; heck even offer current users of the P990 (with original user receipt - and current phone bill showing the IMEI?) a 20% discount towards to the purchase of the W960i. This would be perfect in 2 MAJOR ways. Marketing folks. SE last 2 qtr results might have been lower without the P1i sales, BUT they would've hooked users to the UIQ3 platform giving them something to enjoy & ignore iPhone/iPod Touch, and also a functional phone. Secondly, they'd have more time & financial resources to concentrate on the P5i and it would've been announced last 3wks and shipping this qtr. Also allowing for more developers time & assistance for growing applications.
Posted by dr_thug
On 2008-01-27 06:18:41, Prom1 wrote:
Personally, the P1i looks great ... but I think SE could've saved HUGE development dollars and only focused on teh W960i. Release that 4mths earlier - still perfected; heck even offer current users of the P990 (with original user receipt - and current phone bill showing the IMEI?) a 20% discount towards to the purchase of the W960i. This would be perfect in 2 MAJOR ways. Marketing folks. SE last 2 qtr results might have been lower without the P1i sales, BUT they would've hooked users to the UIQ3 platform giving them something to enjoy & ignore iPhone/iPod Touch, and also a functional phone. Secondly, they'd have more time & financial resources to concentrate on the P5i and it would've been announced last 3wks and shipping this qtr. Also allowing for more developers time & assistance for growing applications.
If SE had offered the W960 to me 4-6 months back with atleast 33 % discount( a highly unsatisfied and pissed off p990 user since september 2006..paid $775),i would have definitely become a SE fan again and a Uiq supporter and never posted so many anti p990/uiq3 comments and reviews in networking sites and news comments and drove countless prospective p series buyers to nokia and htc.
But since SE did nothing like that,and i still, after more than a year later feel that SE CHEATED ME.
I still have not decided on my next phone..future WM looks promising..also got my eyes on iphone2...I will judge fairly...If WM/iphone2 wins,i will buy immediately but if p5 wins,i will continue to use my p990 for 6-9 months more and when the p5's price becomes dirt cheap,buy it(if no new competition come up).Will no longer be an early bird in my country.
Posted by Supa_Fly
On 2008-01-27 06:48:18, dr_thug wrote:
On 2008-01-27 06:18:41, Prom1 wrote:
Personally, the P1i looks great ... but I think SE could've saved HUGE development dollars and only focused on teh W960i. Release that 4mths earlier - still perfected; heck even offer current users of the P990 (with original user receipt - and current phone bill showing the IMEI?) a 20% discount towards to the purchase of the W960i. This would be perfect in 2 MAJOR ways. Marketing folks. SE last 2 qtr results might have been lower without the P1i sales, BUT they would've hooked users to the UIQ3 platform giving them something to enjoy & ignore iPhone/iPod Touch, and also a functional phone. Secondly, they'd have more time & financial resources to concentrate on the P5i and it would've been announced last 3wks and shipping this qtr. Also allowing for more developers time & assistance for growing applications.
If SE had offered the W960 to me 4-6 months back with atleast 33 % discount( a highly unsatisfied and pissed off p990 user since september 2006..paid $775),i would have definitely become a SE fan again and a Uiq supporter and never posted so many anti p990/uiq3 comments and reviews in networking sites and news comments and drove countless prospective p series buyers to nokia and htc.
But since SE did nothing like that,and i still, after more than a year later feel that SE CHEATED ME.
I still have not decided on my next phone..future WM looks promising..also got my eyes on iphone2...I will judge fairly...If WM/iphone2 wins,i will buy immediately but if p5 wins,i will continue to use my p990 for 6-9 months more and when the p5's price becomes dirt cheap,buy it(if no new competition come up).Will no longer be an early bird in my country.
Thank you Dr. Thug ... I knew that this would've been a smart move; but unfortunately SE did NOT feel obligated. I'm very surprised a class action lawsuit was not launched ... and if not SE is VERY lucky compared to what Palm is going through in the US right now.
But by all things reported thus far this P5i looks like it'll be the thing, but ONLY those with liquidable cash reserves they don't have to worry about will be able to purchase and give extensive reviews.
Posted by dr_thug
Yeah...its a pity that we p990/m600 and w950 users did not lodge our protest very well.
Read the other day in engadget that HTC touch and tytn2 owners are planning on a class action lawsuit againt HTC ...why??coz of some video playback issue in those phones.
When i compare that problem to problems i had in my P990,i can't help laughing.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/[....]-the-video-driver-controversy/
(my comment/reply is the 9th)
SE clearly escaped a lawsuit.
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Posted by razec
On 2008-01-27 07:20:40, dr_thug wrote:
Yeah...its a pity that we p990/m600 and w950 users did not lodge our protest very well.
SE clearly escaped a lawsuit.
SE!
Posted by londonlad123
Its a bit early to say but from all the latest info, it sounds like its only se's uiq version of a n95 and not much more. It would be interesting to see if it has a 3.5mm jack, accelerometer or 8gb of memory or similar? To at least compete with n95 8gb. Xperia sounds multimedia, has the qwerty survived?
As a minimum it needs to be as good a spec as the n95, a easy and fast ui this time and n95 size but thinner and better looking. anything less isn't good enough.
Personally I'm happy with the phones I have but it would be good to see se doing better.
Posted by doministry
@londonlad123
If you'd read more carefully, this new Pseries will be beyond any existing device in terms of hardware at least,
stop bringing here old devices which belong to a different market niche.
And Pseries is not any direct N95 competitior.
Posted by razec
On 2008-01-27 10:43:44, doministry wrote:
@londonlad123
If you'd read more carefully, this new Pseries will be beyond any existing device in terms of hardware at least,
stop bringing here old devices which belong to a different market niche.
And Pseries is not any direct N95 competitior.
Here's some of what i speculate on this 6th gen P-series phone
-AM radio band
-stereo speakers
-Navilink based GPS reciever with Wayfinder Application
-UIQ 4
-VGA screen 16 Million Colors
-5 megapixels camera with autofocus & Flash
-WiMax
-VGA video or even HD
-Steel body
Posted by Tigershark42
Provided that the QWERTY (Comfirmed at USEB) keyboard is a side slide out (ie you have to be in landscape mode to use it) then surely an accelerometer is needed to use it effectively when switching from keyboard to no keyboard. Just like in the HTC Tytn II, and many other QWERTY keyboard handsets. If the keyboard slides downwards, then, SE fans, prepare yourself for anothe rocker keyboard, or something like that, which doesnt seem half as appropriate to me.
Though the rest of your specs, Razec, sound great! I know we wont see all of those going into the phone. The ones I am referring to are 16M colours (not too concerned, 262K is great anyway) AM radio (Would never use it, though I hope it does have RDS for the FM channels)
Stereo speakers, UIQ4 and the GPS sound likely (HD sounds a bit much, especially when it has not even been released on the cyber-shot series, though I am interested to know the resolution of the video recording, which should be a very agreeable 30fps). Opera 9 will also be featured. I too hope for autofocus and flash, and while theyre at it, why not add bestpic and other such functions too. I doubt it, but I hope, like Beibei, Paris will feature the music player from the W960, or at least something similar, with full screen visualisations and other main features, but leaving out things which less ardent music fans dont need (mood function, for example). I expect the music interface to be good since a new UI will be used.
Posted by C905
On 2008-01-27 11:20:28, Tigershark42 wrote:
Provided that the QWERTY (Comfirmed at USEB) keyboard is a side slide out (ie you have to be in landscape mode to use it) then surely an accelerometer is needed to use it effectively when switching from keyboard to no keyboard. Just like in the HTC Tytn II, and many other QWERTY keyboard handsets. If the keyboard slides downwards, then, SE fans, prepare yourself for anothe rocker keyboard, or something like that, which doesnt seem half as appropriate to me.
Though the rest of your specs, Razec, sound great! I know we wont see all of those going into the phone. The ones I am referring to are 16M colours (not too concerned, 262K is great anyway) AM radio (Would never use it, though I hope it does have RDS for the FM channels)
Stereo speakers, UIQ4 and the GPS sound likely (HD sounds a bit much, especially when it has not even been released on the cyber-shot series, though I am interested to know the resolution of the video recording, which should be a very agreeable 30fps). Opera 9 will also be featured. I too hope for autofocus and flash, and while theyre at it, why not add bestpic and other such functions too. I doubt it, but I hope, like Beibei, Paris will feature the music player from the W960, or at least something similar, with full screen visualisations and other main features, but leaving out things which less ardent music fans dont need (mood function, for example). I expect the music interface to be good since a new UI will be used.
i think mizzle mentioned that it will have the same musicplayer as w960
Posted by Mizzle
The first firmware revision did feature the Walkman player, but I am almost certain that it has been removed.