Posted by PeterKay
would never do that.
otherwise i quit
Posted by doministry
These pics are old,
been around for several months,
now again somebody brings it.
Posted by bambarah
MOTORIZR Z10 is the first mobile which support the UIQ 3.2
http://www.uiq.com/2734.html
Do you think that would be the platform for P5 ?
Does SonyEricsson make MOTOROLA new mobiles as test concepts for thier UIQ bond ?
instead of launching a new UIQ version , I think SE is using of MOTOROLA because the bought 50% of the UIQ shares
Posted by bodeh6
I am sure in the Josephine (W980i?) and Beibei (P5i?) will have at least UIQ 3.2.
Posted by Mizzle
On 2008-01-10 16:37:35, bodeh6 wrote:
I am sure in the Josephine (W980i?) and Beibei (P5i?) will have at least UIQ 3.2.
UIQ 4.0.
Posted by m-one
UIQ 4.0 on Symbian 9.5
UIQ 3.2 is intended for non-TS devices
Posted by Tigershark42
I hope it is Mizzle, but how can you be sure?
Posted by Mizzle
On 2008-01-10 16:55:04, Tigershark42 wrote:
I hope it is Mizzle, but how can you be sure?
Because I know so
Posted by m-one
It's a completely new designed UI that has nothing to do with its predecessors. That's why they decided not to go on with the old 3-index.
New generation means new first index
Posted by my ninja
^^^ you know so just like PK had one ...
to whomever said that there maybe a presentation in said number of weeks please dont start the random posts about future presentations, when we see invitations, thats when well believe that the next presentation is coming.
sorry mizzle but this is/has been for some time now out of hand, there is no p5i. only hopes and dreams that SE can cram as much tech as feasible into a phone to give way that the K850 and W960 werent the flagships of 'o7. as sad as it may seem, they were.
no onto the K900 7.2MP camera phone with highlights ...
ps: whens the silver/black k850 coming out?
[ This Message was edited by: my ninja on 2008-01-10 16:52 ]
Posted by Lunion
On 2008-01-10 02:47:19, bider wrote:
This is my vision of P5i
[ This Message was edited by: bider on 2008-01-10 08:17 ]
[ This Message was edited by: bider on 2008-01-10 08:18 ]
Nice pictures mate, especially the bottom 1
Posted by Mizzle
On 2008-01-10 17:31:11, my ninja wrote:
^^^ you know so just like PK had one ...
and dont start the random posts about future presentations, when we see invitations, thats when well believe that the next presentation is coming.
sorry mizzle but this is/has been for some time now out of hand, there is no p5i. only hopes and dreams that SE can cram as much tech as feasible into a phone to give way that the K850 and W960 werent the flagships of 'o7. as sad as it may seem, they were.
no onto the K900 7.2MP camera phone with highlights ...
ps: whens the silver/black k850 coming out?
PK did have one, so don't start that. I can't blame you for not knowing the stuff that he can't tell in public, but don't make lies like that.
Invitations aren't always sent out for announcements and most probably won't be for this announcement either.
Again, your posts lack a thing called truth and with your absence of knowledge in this case, you really shouldn't make these comments. The phone is in development, but whether it will be called P5 or not, is a thing only time can tell.
(black K850 not coming - it was the prototype variant)
Posted by PeterKay
Thanks Miz.
Posted by anonymuser
I wouldn't suggest for a second that PK didn't have the phone, and I'm not sure the previous poster did either - but one abundantly obvious truth is that the "P5" he had no longer exists. It's been taken away for unknown upgrades, and he hasn't had it back. All we know for certain as a result is that the P5 that everyone's been trying to picture here will not be released.
With that in mind, it's utterly pointless to carry on speculating and making assertions based on this obsolete prototype.
Posted by m-one
And not only the fact that PeterKay had the old proto is an evidence of the existence of the "P5i".
This "rumor" can be considered as true since there are more confirmations from different people
The day PeterKay had to return his proto back my sources as well told me that their info-events got postponed. I do believe him.
[ This Message was edited by: m-one on 2008-01-10 16:57 ]
Posted by my ninja
i know what PK reported he had, i know what PK reported he has ... or doesn't in this case for this thread. yes, as right you may be about announcements and presentations, the other user stating that there would be one (im not going to perpetuate it by giving the time frame here, as ive seen posts get derailed and dominated by random dates) is just that, fan fodder giving false hope to SE enthusiasts.
ITS MEAN!
why wouldnt SE throw a big presentation for a device that will be the epitome of what they stand for in 'o8? you think that UIQ doesnt want ppl to know what devices they have coming out? i highly doubt that the the "P5i" will somehow receive a sheltered reveal. either a private press event or an electronics show. SE has no interest in not telling ppl about their lineup.
instead of calling me ignorant, enlighten us that way there would be no reason to refute my post by saying i have no knowledge, this is a forum where it is assumed that you share knowledge, not sit back and revel on your "inside" information.
sucks about the black k850 ... i need a phone, and not one thats green or blue :/
On 2008-01-10 17:35:58, Mizzle wrote:
On 2008-01-10 17:31:11, my ninja wrote:
^^^ you know so just like PK had one ...
and dont start the random posts about future presentations, when we see invitations, thats when well believe that the next presentation is coming.
sorry mizzle but this is/has been for some time now out of hand, there is no p5i. only hopes and dreams that SE can cram as much tech as feasible into a phone to give way that the K850 and W960 werent the flagships of 'o7. as sad as it may seem, they were.
no onto the K900 7.2MP camera phone with highlights ...
ps: whens the silver/black k850 coming out?
PK did have one, so don't start that. I can't blame you for not knowing the stuff that he can't tell in public, but don't make lies like that.
Invitations aren't always sent out for announcements and most probably won't be for this announcement either.
Again, your posts lack a thing called truth and with your absence of knowledge in this case, you really shouldn't make these comments. The phone is in development, but whether it will be called P5 or not, is a thing only time can tell.
(black K850 not coming - it was the prototype variant)
[ This Message was edited by: my ninja on 2008-01-10 17:03 ]
[ This Message was edited by: my ninja on 2008-01-10 17:05 ]
Posted by drgopoos
On 2008-01-10 11:47:45, makbil wrote:
The P1 has a lot of crucial features missing therefore can't be considered as a P990 with additional RAM. A P990 with 128 MB RAM and a new improved fw would definitely put it in the front lines.
I have the feeling that the P1 was originally designed as an upgraded M600 but with the P990 disaster SE tried to save face by shifting it to cover for the P990.
quite right !!!
Posted by badassmam
What are the chances that the phone PK had is going to be used as both a Walkman brand and 'P' series? The photoshop looks like it would be a great music player especially if the new UI is decent. Whatever type of form it has for the 'P' line phone would be great as well i.e. QWERTY or P1 QWERTY. SE seem to be cutting R&D costs by doing this, I would not be surprised if two similarly designed handsets were announced but the Walkman would be more expensive for no good reason, as always.
Posted by Tigershark42
It's not impossible that SE decide to make the phone a flagship for another series instead. E.g. if it had a great camera it could be in the k series. If it had a great music player it could be in the W series. I wonder what upgrades they are making, and whether or not they will actually be for the better.
Posted by Astral1
The only part that really confuses me, up to now, is. . . .
If SE knew they were going to do a major refit to the Pnext prototype,
Why didnt they build the new one first, give it to the beta testers, then take the old proto back. There HAS to be more than 1 proto at a time, doesn't there???
Seems odd that they leave you without a test phone, and lose valuable testing time.
Posted by makbil
Guys, you are ignoring one thing... SE is supposed to have created a dedicated testing center in Germany...So maybe all contract beta testing is canceled and will only take place internally.
Posted by sealover94
@makbil that's right
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2008-01-10 22:28 ]
Posted by djguml
what´s that?
http://mobiltelefon.ru/post_1197653433.html
Posted by anonymuser
Not sure, but the little "Esato Forum Picture" watermarks in the top left of each picture are a bit of a giveaway! Eg, it's just another mockup that somebody's posted in this forum somewhere.
That and the fact it all looks a bit scrappy.
Posted by Mizzle
On 2008-01-10 19:56:59, makbil wrote:
Guys, you are ignoring one thing... SE is supposed to have created a dedicated testing center in Germany...So maybe all contract beta testing is canceled and will only take place internally.
Exactly
But that doesn't keep people from still getting the phone before being announced.
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
On 2008-01-11 13:13:51, Boinng wrote:
Not sure, but the little "Esato Forum Picture" watermarks in the top left of each picture are a bit of a giveaway! Eg, it's just another mockup that somebody's posted in this forum somewhere.
That and the fact it all looks a bit scrappy.
You're right. They were created by Razec and you'll find them in the Photoshop thread. It even says 'Razec' on those pictures.
Oh, and be careful not to insult your fellow Esato members mate
Posted by anonymuser
On 2008-01-11 13:43:34, Muhummad-Oli wrote:
Oh, and be careful not to insult your fellow Esato members mate
If they're scrappy mockups I'll say so, ta
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Fair enough, go ahead
Posted by doministry
These concepts look better than Sealovers,
just because the hardware ideas,
but I don't think that's in any way real.
Posted by m-one
The new P5i will probably look similar to this prototype.
http://www.engadgetmobile.com[....]-new-mobile-reference-designs/
This build prototype was only created to show the power of the new Snapdragon platform. Unfortunately it will never see the daylight.
Posted by dr_thug
On 2008-01-11 21:41:21, m-one wrote:
The new P5i will probably look similar to this prototype.
http://www.engadgetmobile.com[....]-new-mobile-reference-designs/
This build prototype was only created to show the power of the new Snapdragon platform. Unfortunately it will never see the daylight.
Now to save money!
Posted by Tigershark42
If the Pnext looked anything similar to that I would be pretty damn happy with it. Here's hoping
Posted by makbil
The next P device shouldn't look like this. This is clearly a multimedia device whereas the P series are about professional business devices.
Posted by Tigershark42
I don't agree with that 100%. The P devices, though primarily and originally business phones, have since strayed towards the higher end multimedia market IMHO. THe p1i is advertised as being good at business functions and the more leisurely multimedia and other functions. Besides, its not like the way many business handsets look is a far cry from that anyway. If it was purely for business and strictly business only many people on this forum would not be here, because what they are looking for is a high spec device. The fact that they are here is a good enough indication that you are wrong. If you want a business phone, you get one which does what you want it to end of story. Forget about all the features and trimmings. You wouldnt care very much what specs itd have, one because you would be more interested in the capabilites rather than performance and two itd just be another accessory tieing you down to your work!! Please be wary of such blunt statements.
Posted by *Jojo*
136 pages . . . and STILL no pic of the P5 yet
. . .
Posted by razec
On 2008-01-12 03:52:23, *Jojo* wrote:
136 pages . . . and STILL no pic of the P5 yet
. . .
Better to have no spypics, in order to keep nokia, samsung and moto thinking of what would it be
just like the big surprise they had experienced with the T610
Posted by makbil
@Tigershark42, you are wrong. Obviously you have the wrong idea of what a business phone is.
True, there are a lot of people who are only interested in the "specs", so you can give them anything and they will be happy as long as the specs are good. A business phone is about function rather than fashion and it doesn't mean you don't want good audio and video capabilities on it.
The "P" series has traditionally been a business phone with extremely good specs. It remains to be seen what they will offer with P5.
Posted by Tigershark42
Thats true, and thats what I said. Read more carefully. I told you, for business as long as it performs certain functions that should be good enough, good audio and video capabilites ARE multimedia functions, hence the P series, though business devices also make excellent multimedia handsets aswell.
Posted by *Jojo*
@razec - Well, be it as it may . . . but I am very, very, very SURE that these peeps (
, Nokia, Samsung, Motorola etc. ) have their own SPYs when it comes to KNOWING counter-part's mobile-phone designs/specs and all . . .
Posted by nneo
im very doubtful that nokia or samsung would be afraid of what SE has to offer as both of these companies have made it clear that their entering the touchscreen market and samsung has already started and i dont think they are going to back off of their UI (the CROSS based one for the touch intended phones ) and nokia has already chose the UI and their product is in finalizing stages of design (hardware) still those two companies have a good share of the market and SE is still a lot smaller than they are
BUT after all we are all looking forward to what SE has to offer as the verry little that it offered was very good so far (except for the clams with those tiny screens)
Posted by bambarah
grow up people
the time of spies has gone !
big companies are depending on analayzing now , and many of them are partners , they all know what the other competitor thinks in and how he think
it is all about QULAITY , for example , SonyEricsson and its fans made a big propaganda about the P990i , and after months of waiting , they were shocked of poor functions and many bugs
We are all here eager waiting for the P5/P3 , with full loyality , hopes and dreams about the dram device
How would you all feel when a crap device would the P5 would be ?
But would would happen if the P5 would be over the expectations ?
the NOKIA , SAMSUNG , APPLE , MOTOROLA and others thorns would shake !
We need QULAITY and INNOVATION like the T610
If Innovation is hard to make , quality is a must in this century
Posted by makbil
@Tigershark42, I probably caused the confusion when I wasn't very clear on the distinction between multimedia and business in my first post.
Posted by R1
On 2008-01-11 21:41:21, m-one wrote:
The new P5i will probably look similar to this prototype.
http://www.engadgetmobile.com[....]-new-mobile-reference-designs/
This build prototype was only created to show the power of the new Snapdragon platform. Unfortunately it will never see the daylight.
Here's to hoping it will never look like this. I'm never into slider phones and because of this, even with all the features, stability and the sexiness of a black phone, I'm still using my P990 over my N95 8GB. Sad to say and a lot of people here may not like to hear this but I don't think SE is capable enough to match the N95. The only thing SE is going for is the touchscreen. I don't even see the big deal about that as I hardly use that feature on the P990. I like solidly built phones. The less moving parts the better. And this side slider is just plain ugly.
I like this proto better http://mobiltelefon.ru/post_1197653433.html
Come on SE, don't just fold up, raise your hands and surrender. Come up with something that would at least keep you within Nokia's shadow. I didn't say heel cause that's too close. I urge you guys to read up on the N95 to see how far back SE is from Nokia. If you can't match the software/operating side at least make up for it aesthetically.
Posted by Mizzle
@R1
That's not a proto, but a concept.
And I urge you to read up on the N95 once SE's next P-series flagship has been announced to see how far back Nokia is from
Posted by *Jojo*
@r1 - OK, so the N95 is smaller than the P990i (FLIP: open and close) . . . well how about in THINNESS
Posted by razec
On 2008-01-13 00:58:32, Mizzle wrote:
@R1
That's not a proto, but a concept.
And I urge you to read up on the N95 once SE's next P-series flagship has been announced to see how far back Nokia is from
I read about the Qualcomm snapdragon details and found that it will utilize and embeed an ATI Graphics processor chip. so if this would be the CPU of the next P-series phone then this is quite impressive, just hope that the cpu clock speed would reach more than we expect and be a big surprise among the pessimistic SE haters
Posted by drgopoos
at least p990i looks more sexy than mighty n95...
My n95 is on the way!!!!!!
Posted by NightBlade
I read about the Qualcomm snapdragon details and found that it will utilize and embeed an ATI Graphics processor chip. so if this would be the CPU of the next P-series phone then this is quite impressive, just hope that the cpu clock speed would reach more than we expect and be a big surprise among the pessimistic SE haters
Wow, a better CPU and a separate graphics core?! Now that's somethin'! (ahem, what was N-Gage again?
)[ This Message was edited by: NightBlade on 2008-01-13 02:17 ]
Posted by razec
ATi has much better graphics Core architecture than PowerVR which is used on most TI-OMAP chips as well as the Nexperia CPU in SE UIQ phones and renders more smooth and fluid videos than the latter, so far i have a strong feeling that the separate ATi chip to assist the qualcomm snapdragon CPU was the ATi imageon 2300 - since judging by the spec sheet provided by the AMD imageon site the chip was binary compatible with Symbian OS
so expect better video recording as well as gaming and viewing TV quality videos
Posted by R1
On 2008-01-13 00:58:32, Mizzle wrote:
@R1
That's not a proto, but a concept.
And I urge you to read up on the N95 once SE's next P-series flagship has been announced to see how far back Nokia is from
What's that tell you? Nokia is far way ahead of SE. Like what you pointed out, they're still working on a CONCEPT and don't even have a PROTO yet. I'm pretty sure once Nokia comes out with a replacement for the N95, SE would have something, concept and maybe even a proto, to replace the P990. What do you think? But I would advice you to not hold your breath. Don't get me wrong, as I have mentioned, I still prefer my P990 over the N95 but I'm just frustrated that SE cannot come up with something close to it. I would definitely buy the next P-series that SE would put out. The question is when or if ever.
[ This Message was edited by: R1 on 2008-01-13 03:41 ]