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Posted by Dogmann
Hi all,

Whilst i obviously think it is great that SE decided to up the spec i really wish they would get a move on as otherwise they are going to need to release it very shortly after they announce it. If this devcie is not going to ship till late 2008 they will of lost many users by then as only the die hard faith full are going to wait that long for an as yet a still unknown devcie with unknown spec's.

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-01-07 15:33 ]


Posted by fumi_moon
Being an fangirl myself, for 6 years now, I don't want to have to move to another brand, I was thinking of nokia, but no.

No, no one forces me to move, or stay, but, I don't want to se "P5i" repeat history again, as in, I don't want another P1i with 2-3 year old specs.

And since I have seen pics of the new Windows Mobile 7, and since i prefer touch screen interface, suddenly WM7 looked really good, so maybe htc in 2008, well see...

And, I don't want to see SE do like moto did, as in: same-specs-but-new-design, and look what happened with moto, and that is what SE did in 07, I wish SE would learn from other mobiles companies.

Posted by sealover94
OK.Let me give SE a taste of a real P5i!

SE i'm still waiting...



Posted by famous12

On 2008-01-07 17:39:03, sealover94 wrote:
OK.Let me give SE a taste of a real P5i!

SE i'm still waiting...




P990i with UIQ 4 ? ? hell no ...P990i is the most ugliest looking cell phone IMO

Posted by xell
And I'm bored.

Posted by gothic3
Very nice cellphone.

I love the design from the P990i

Posted by sealover94
It was designed from the begining based on SE designing philosophy



[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2008-01-07 17:19 ]

Posted by Tigershark42
Great concept, but I personally hope for brand new innovation rather than something remeniscent of the behemoth P990i.

Posted by Aware
I'd buy it(although you could change the buttons, and put back a bluetooth LED(ok, add one for WLAN, too))!

If only...dare you ......

Only if you do it properly this time though!



Posted by Angello
@sealover
sorry but i think SE is laughing about u

Posted by Mizzle

On 2008-01-07 19:03:10, beta-tester wrote:
@sealover
sorry but i think SE is laughing about u


Yeah. You're not going to get a job there if you just "design" old phones with sharper edges and another colour

Posted by mariozlp
What about if it looked like that and it was 14mm thin (in our dreams of course) ???

Posted by jmcomms
Future UIQ devices are meant to have call/hangup buttons - and possibly some sort of D-Pad, so I'd be looking at that for any mock up of the P5!!

Posted by Tigershark42
Says who? I personally dont like the call/hang up buttons because SE phones have not had them until recently but still work perfectly well anyway. The D-pad makes sense. I suppose some would see it as an improvement in ergonomics. Nevertheless, I see no reason why they 'must' have either of these features in future models.

Posted by jack00
is this really a rumours thread any more ?
it looks more like a collection of photoshops without any legitimate information since page 1...
...am i the only one who is missing a moderator ?

Posted by xironghostx

On 2008-01-07 21:23:16, Tigershark42 wrote:
Says who? I personally dont like the call/hang up buttons because SE phones have not had them until recently but still work perfectly well anyway. The D-pad makes sense. I suppose some would see it as an improvement in ergonomics. Nevertheless, I see no reason why they 'must' have either of these features in future models.


Really, atleast my t310 got call and hangup buttons:





Posted by nneo
i really dont get why would they need to add these call and end buttons i had all of my SE's including W800i and the w850i without them and frankly that is one of the things that keeps me a S.E user (aside from the UI and software)
their just useless but the back button on the other hand is a must !!!!
i dont understand why S.E is backing up from it .

i could probably get used to their new buttons still in my opinion a lot of users are staying with S.E because of the Hardware and input layout either because they got used to it and got comfortable with it and now they can't change their habit of usage or simply they trust S.E's products

ow and a question to whoever knows ...... does the w760i have a back key cause i dont see one (is it hidden or something???)



Posted by Tigershark42
Thats basically what I meant to say. Functionality is hardly impoved with these keys. IMO all they do is harm the aesthetics of the handset. I agree the back key is one which is used frequently and should not be removed.

Yes, this is still a rumour thread however, seeing as SE are redesigning the Pnext and not even PK entirely knows what it will be like after all changes have been made, we have absolutely no source to go on. Therefore everything we say is pure rumour

[ This Message was edited by: Tigershark42 on 2008-01-07 22:48 ]

Posted by nneo
@PK
if you had the P5i you must have taken pictures of it
so now that its getting a makeover it wont look like the one you had
bottom line is why wont you show us what you had?

its not going to be released anyway is it?

Posted by drgopoos
Sealover, this latest one is the best one you have made....

all the previous p series ( except for p1i) looked like this..

Posted by jmcomms
The D-Pad and call buttons will aid usage. For example, you make a call and get a text (or email). You now can't end the call until you close the pop-up window! Do you want to exit, just to hang-up? Or do you want the caller staying on the line and hearing everything you said? Just press the red key, job done, and you carry on. It basically makes any UIQ device easier to use for its core function; being a phone.

Now, you're standing on a bus and it's moving about. Trying to use your finger or a stylus is not fun - especially trying to use the phonebook. Again, the D-Pad now comes into its own.

And, pressing the green key at any time should immediately bring up the phone 'app', just as it does on S60.

The fact is, it makes things easier - especially for 'Joe Public'. I was perfectly happy with the SE UI on their ordinary handsets for years, but the new models (K850 and W910) are an improvement in my opinion. And, Vodafone branded handsets have had these extra keys for ages anyway (usually instead of the shortcut/web buttons).

I'm told all the new UIQ devices will now have it as part of a series of improvements to the UI. Perhaps they realised that it's one thing Motorola always got right with its own UIQ devices over the years, right up to the Z8 and Z10.

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[ This Message was edited by: jmcomms on 2008-01-08 01:20 ]

Posted by Tigershark42
Hmmn, never thought about that function with the call/hang up buttons. I stand corrected. A D-pad is also better just because you dont need to find java games which are specifically touchscreen interface. A D-Pad gives more of a gaming feel.
Judging by the 3 phones announced at CES 2008 SE is going for its own design innovations. The best thing I've seen from it all as far as mobile phones are concerned is the W760. It incorporates many great entertainment orientated features which could be pointing many SE higher end devices in the right direction. Features such as autorotate, stereo speakers, 3.2Mpx (becoming that much more commonplace in mid-range solutions- implies Cams for higher end handsets should be even better than this), but one thing I noticed was that despite it is a walkman phone, it has bestpic and photofix functions. Similarly the k850 is not a walkman phone yet it has a walkman like media playing interface. I like that SE is taking the best of a particular range and integrating it into other ranges because this could mean that P5i and all future solutions could have these features too. No longer would you NEED to get a cybershot phone for great pics or NEED to get a walkman phone for great music. Furthermore, the W760 is the first SE handset to integrate google maps and wayfinder navigator (GPS) preinstalled on the handset. This is also a great feature and hopefully a glimpse of more to come.
Still, I think its about time SE did more for video capture, editing and playback. Also, it is about time they released 8+Gb versions of the MS Micro to allow for much more fulfilling use of all these improving specs . But still I am very happy with the direction they seem to be taking as it looks like they are finally beginning to acknowledge what other manufacturers had which they were losing out on. Moreover, they are combining this with their own sets of unique features to make for a much better product.

Posted by PeterKay

On 2008-01-08 00:13:36, nneo wrote:
@PK
if you had the P5i you must have taken pictures of it
so now that its getting a makeover it wont look like the one you had
bottom line is why wont you show us what you had?

its not going to be released anyway is it?


and i get sacked?


Posted by badassmam
Instead of the call and end buttons, why not remove them and have some gesture control? I know that Nokia are developing this i.e. to send an incoming call to voicemail, you turn the phone upside down as an example.

Posted by bodeh6
Z555i/a has Gesture Control. From the PR of the Z555

Just wave the interruptions away
The Z555 incorporates Sony Ericsson’s handy Gesture Control, letting you easily mute the phone or snooze its alarm without having to interrupt what you’re doing. When a call comes in, a simple movement of your hand back and forth over the phone mutes the ringtone. Similarly, sweep your hand over the phone when using it as your alarm clock to put it into ‘snooze’ mode. Works like magic!

I am sure SE will extend this to more phones.

[ This Message was edited by: bodeh6 on 2008-01-08 13:13 ]

Posted by NightBlade

On 2008-01-08 14:08:35, bodeh6 wrote:
Z555i/a has Gesture Control. From the PR of the Z555

Just wave the interruptions away
The Z555 incorporates Sony Ericsson’s handy Gesture Control, letting you easily mute the phone or snooze its alarm without having to interrupt what you’re doing. When a call comes in, a simple movement of your hand back and forth over the phone mutes the ringtone. Similarly, sweep your hand over the phone when using it as your alarm clock to put it into ‘snooze’ mode. Works like magic!

We know that. And besides, the W380 has it, too.


Posted by jmcomms
I like that SE is taking the best of a particular range and integrating it into other ranges


Well, I've been saying this to SE every time I meet them. I've whinged about it in nearly every review and in a large number of the posts I've made here... but I won't pretend that I am the only one! Plenty of people on here have said the same, and other forums.

It stands to reason that all the good features should be spread around, just as SE did at the start. Sure, they can produce a camera branded model or a Walkman branded model, but everything else is just software.

If SE does go back to incorporating decent cameras in Walkmans, and decent features/media players in the Cyber-shot range, this will be a year when they get back on their feet. I'm sure of it!

Posted by G-Izzat

On 2008-01-08 00:13:36, nneo wrote:
@PK
if you had the P5i you must have taken pictures of it
so now that its getting a makeover it wont look like the one you had
bottom line is why wont you show us what you had?

its not going to be released anyway is it?


If he showed us the prototype, he won't be able to get it back, wouldn't he?
They wouldn't trust him anymore.

Posted by Tigershark42
I agree with you JM. But I think the features found in the dedicated ranges should be more about fine tuning, because all models should have the best things which make the consumer want to use a particular feature and they should not feel that the capabilites are limited. The quality of the phone specs should be on the whole proportional to the cost of the handset. As it has been so far, a very expensive handset will have the amazing feature x but for some incomprehensible reason will be missing the simple and convenient feature y which all the cheaper handsets possess. This is confusing and offputting. Suppose someone wants a cybershot handset. They still may want a capable and all round good performer of a music player in their handset because such a feature is common place. Then leave it up to the walkman series to have a few extra bits and pieces like the mood function, dedicated music buttons, maybe a different UI, more visualisations, so on. But as you said things like that are just software, so they should be almost the same. Granted it makes sense sometimes a handset has to be specially designed to accomodate certain articles of hardware (eg a camera with optical zoom), so specialised features like that should be reserved for the specific range.
Overall I think the W and k series should have a spectrum of different offerings at different prices. The P series should also have several ongoing models to it at any one time so that there can be a do all solution as well as one with the basic business capabilities required. That said, each series should have a flagship of different branding but each of which contains the absolute best features from the 3 ranges, with minor tweaks depending on the range (such as different UI or missing out on hardly used features).

Posted by Muhammad-Oli

On 2008-01-08 13:49:39, badassmam wrote:
Instead of the call and end buttons, why not remove them and have some gesture control? I know that Nokia are developing this i.e. to send an incoming call to voicemail, you turn the phone upside down as an example.


You can't have a phone that relies solely on gesture control for call starting and call ending. Gesture control is a bit of a gimmick to get people buying these phones. But it won't always work and not everyone will want this function as they may accidentally dismiss a call, etc. So the phone still needs hardware call start and end keys.

Posted by jmcomms
I am sure we will see a return to handsets that aren't specifically crippled to fit them into specfic categories. By all means do that on low-mid range, but once you get up to flagship models (and by the sounds of it, everyone on here is ONLY interested in these and almost wants to kill SE employees for even DARING to produce kit for other people) then you make them feature packed.

If this happens, SE will get back on track. There's NO excuse to make something inferior for the sake of it (and when it's software and something like BestPic/PhotoFix/TrackID/album art or whatever is removed, it's stupid and petty).

Posted by makbil
@sealover94, this last design looks like a true P series device
Could you add 2 LEDs for bluetooth and WLAN?

Posted by Aware
makbil,

And a general P-series question for you all to consider:

Bear in mind that for years, P-series went head to head with Nokias 9xxx-series Communicators. Both these products, for their respective manufacturers, were/are(E90) low volume, low sales, tech/business flagships. The fans of these products aren't like normal phone 'consumers', they don't seem to care about the same aspects(looks, for example) as 'joe public' would...they just want them to be technologically capable business machines(as they've always done 'more' than the rest of the manufacturers' ranges at the respective times).
Of course, since the P990 nightmare that was, SE have decided that they no longer seem to care about this particular segment, and have created UIQ devices to fit other segments instead(P1 = E61i; W960 sits between N81/N82, going by specs)...in fact, even the proposed P5(going by the existing mock-ups) is being built to go up against N95, rather than Nokia's flagship business device, E90......

So what happened?? And why in their 'infinite wisdom'(lol), have SE decied that they no longer need a flagship UIQ device to go against Nokia's flagship Communicator??

Oh, one last thing: E90 is such an amazing improvement over 9500, it's the most-realised version of that form to date. Now imagine a device that would be an equivalent improvement over P990, in it's form......

...yes I'd kill for one, too...it would be an awesome realisation(assuming it worked properly)......



Posted by doministry
The last Sealover's concept would be nice (I mean, under this flip is qwerty as I think).

Posted by jmcomms
SE basically lost the business market with the P990, so they've started (as said above) to re-categorise the devices as 'prosumer' models. It's going to take a long time before any company will buy nnn UIQ models for their staff.

I wouldn't. I am geeky enough to be able to get on with the P1i or the W960i and put up with the quirks and slowdowns, but most people wouldn't be. The fact they're hard to use as ordinary phones is obviously another big problem!

Nokia has therefore grabbed the whole market for Symbian based devices, and HTC for Windows Mobile.

Posted by makbil
@Aware, I agree with your assessment but hope that you are wrong.
Big companies have at least one product that they build for prestige rather than profit. The "P" series was SE's prestige line - until recently.
Now, is SE just going to forget their prestige line and accept in front of the whole world that they are incapable of producing such a device or are they going to come up with a much better "P" series successor and prove that they still have what it takes...

Posted by makbil
@jmcomms, the P990 is the easiest Symbian phone to use as a "phone" precisely because of the flip.
I also believe that Symbian is much better suited for mobile devices despite having some quirks which will possibly be fixed in Symbian 9.5.

Posted by drgopoos
Even now if they release P990i with 128mb of RAM, i would jump at it...

Posted by bider
This is my vision of P5i





[ This Message was edited by: bider on 2008-01-10 08:17 ]

[ This Message was edited by: bider on 2008-01-10 08:18 ]

Posted by MYB87

On 2008-01-10 01:01:18, drgopoos wrote:
Even now if they release P990i with 128mb of RAM, i would jump at it...


they did release a p990 with 128mb ram O.o ... P1i ? clearly its not enough

Posted by drgopoos

On 2008-01-10 03:26:06, MYB87 wrote:

On 2008-01-10 01:01:18, drgopoos wrote:
Even now if they release P990i with 128mb of RAM, i would jump at it...


they did release a p990 with 128mb ram O.o ... P1i ? clearly its not enough


i was considering the flip factor

Posted by makbil
The P1 has a lot of crucial features missing therefore can't be considered as a P990 with additional RAM. A P990 with 128 MB RAM and a new improved fw would definitely put it in the front lines.
I have the feeling that the P1 was originally designed as an upgraded M600 but with the P990 disaster SE tried to save face by shifting it to cover for the P990.

Posted by GTommy
people
new symbians will arrive soon...approx 5 weeks to presentation
Josephine and Beibei:
One with 5mp and the other 3.2mp
One of them is very small


Posted by GTommy
http://www.zhuqiao.hk/news.ph[....]4f73a3a258a62189d992dc445b83f9


Posted by PeterKay
The picture in that link is NOT the next P series.




Posted by GTommy
i knew...just that it looked nice...I knew it will be a slider somehow

Posted by anonymuser
@ Aware - you're right up to a point, but when you start gushing on about the E90 you miss an important point - the E90 is not a direct replacement for the 9500, and for many of the old Communicator fans it's actually a dissapointing upgrade - just as the P1 was for some of the Pxxx's fanbase.

When they developed the E90, Nokia took a decision to abandon the old Communicator OS - Series 80, which began life on the old Psion PDAs and was designed from the ground up for keyboard-driven business devices, and swap it for the more popular but less capable S60. To gadget hounds and the general public, that made no real difference; but to the kind of people that loved and relied their old Communicators it was a massive sea-change that many have not forgiven Nokia for. The E90 may well end up far more successful than any previous "minority interest" product like the 9500, but like the P1 it does not satisfy all of the minority that had been faithful to the line up until then.

[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2008-01-10 13:13 ]

Posted by Dogmann
@Tigershark42

Sorry but Wayfinder is possibly one of the worst Sat Nav options out there as not only does it require a subscription but also uses data to collect maps and routing from it's servers, there really are far better Sat Nav solution's than it.

@Boinng

I agree many of the old and faithful commie users are up in arms that the E90 uses S60 and the changes it has brought. But there are a whole new generation of E series S60 users that love it, me included. But it is the Flagship Nokia Buisness devcie and is truly an awesome bit of kit, no other business smart phone i can think of can so easily work as a phone whilst closed yet has such a huge good internal screen for Web Browsing or working on E-Mails or Documents. Despite what many like to claim it is not to heavy or that big it is no larger than N95 with the slider out.

@all

I like many really do hope SE has not abandoned the true ethos of the ultimate business devcie the P series was and watered it down to be more Multimedia focused as that IMO would really be a shame. But as John Morris has said it is going to take something very special for SE to win back the corporate customers who left after the P990 saga. SE really have no choice if they want to be a player in business smartphones they really have to deliver.

My fear is as the Multimedia smart phone market is where the real growth in Data and Smart Phone users lays this is where SE are going to target thier new devcies as obviously this has the most potential for sales and this may disappoint the SE Buisness user in the same way the E90 has the old NOKIA commie users. Only time will tell but if the rumours that Beta testing will start this month hopefully we will all know one way or the other soon enough.

Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-01-10 14:00 ]

Posted by anonymuser
Marc, I don't mean to seem critical of the E90, I'm sure it's a great phone - it's just different to the old Communicators in some crucial ways, and I think it's a good example of a product being less about what the existing "fans" want of the next device, and more of about what the current (or future) market wants. In that sense, Nokia's approach to designing the E90 is actually no different to SE's approach to the P1, and any future P device.

In both cases there were a minority of dedicated users who held certain aspects of their devices sacrosanct - Series 80 and the flip design respectively - and in both cases they were dissapointed. Both the E90 and P1 can still be regarded as successful products, regardless.

[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2008-01-10 14:42 ]

Posted by chuksy

On 2008-01-10 13:18:32, PeterKay wrote:
The picture in that link is NOT the next P series.






How do you know PK..... They might have changed the design,and so might be completely different from the former prototype


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