Posted by gauravsali
where is pk???why he is not telling anything now?
Posted by Tigershark42
PK, if you still keep up to date with this thread, I wanted to ask:
a) will there be good internet access on the phone (specifically, can it stream content from youtube, or other flash based video, for example)?
b) is it or is it not a dual slider. If not, does it slide at all? If so will it be a keyboard or keypad?
c) how good is the battery life on the model you tested
d) is there a lens cover
e) have you heard when the next SE press conference will be?
I dont know how much youre free to answer, but please let me know as much as you can within your limits. Thanks.
I also wanted to thank Sealover for his astonishing work, because fake or real, its his images that are keeping our hopes up about the P5i.
And finally, I wanted to point out: little glimpses of unreleased phones are NOT going to be found by wondering around in the S/SE sites, if you really think SE are that stupid, you should have already disregarded this phone.
Posted by xironghostx
On 2007-12-18 16:21:40, gauravsali wrote:
where is pk???why he is not telling anything now?
Maybe because he knows too much, just a guess..
Posted by Tigershark42
Without a doubt PK could just compile the full P5i specs for us if he wanted to, but then he'd most likely be out of a job...I think hes been nice to tell us what he already has so far. I just hope the P5i is as awesome as he tells us it is.
Posted by bodeh6
Well probably all the protos PK has had were based off the old design. I am sure that the phone that comes out as the P5i or whatever they call it will be different then anything PK has had. Hopefully everything will be better.
Posted by PeterKay
Guys, reading all that you say.
Just to update you, the proto is not with me still and been told i will get it back in January due to major modifications. Will keep you updated soon as i know more folks.
Posted by Tigershark42
AWESOME, thanks so much PK
Posted by jalf
thanks PK, we'll be waiting....not in vain, i hope!
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Posted by Supa_Fly
On 2007-12-18 15:44:05, nneo wrote:
exactly touch UI = finger based operation
i think i know SE and ericsson well enough to know they have touch screen mobile phones
and iphone is not on my menu i dont like the design i like the idea but not the design
btw, the first "finger touch UI" that SE made is the W960i
its supports finger or stylii, unless I'm mistaken.
On 2007-12-18 21:02:21, PeterKay wrote:
Guys, reading all that you say.
Just to update you, the proto is not with me still and been told i will get it back in January due to major modifications. Will keep you updated soon as i know more folks.
You MUST tell us ....
1) will the K850i, W910i allow for Video, Photo, and Music uploading & downloading via 3G to/from the PS3 ?! Also the W890i as well.
2) What is the CPU that SE decided to change to in the P5i?! Is it the new TI OMAP 3400 series?! Its one of the only logical ones they can choose since its not shipping in testing modules until this month. UNLESS their going for a Qualcomm chipset that integrates so much that the HTC S730 & TYTN II both use.
Posted by Tigershark42
Those questions seem very irrelevant; one isnt even about the P5i, the other is about something PK clearly isnt invloved with. Hes a TESTER, ask him about general features, hardware, software and usability.
Posted by JAGUY85
On 2007-12-18 21:02:21, PeterKay wrote:
Guys, reading all that you say.
Just to update you, the proto is not with me still and been told i will get it back in January due to major modifications. Will keep you updated soon as i know more folks.
Wow, I wondered where you were. You're the only insider we seem to have.
Posted by kenx3000
@JAGUY85
I'm sure there's more than PK
it's just more risky to all appear. SE reps DO come in and read to get feedbacks from their products. I knew some reps, but they never managed to post or anything. Just to read and report.
I'm really hesitating right now to wait for P5i or go for P1i right now. My Nokia 5300 is breaking down, screens scratched not even a year in(my old K790i was alot more durable with no scratches until it got stolen). What shall I do PK? Wait? Or grab myself a P1i
Posted by doministry
GRAB, even a good P990.
Posted by PeterKay
@kenx3000, i personally would wait but you will need to be patient.
It may be July time or beyond before this hits the shops.....
Thats if all the plans fall into place.
Posted by chuksy
Have you changed your phone PK?
Posted by PeterKay
On 2007-12-20 18:45:56, chuksy wrote:
Have you changed your phone PK?
change them every other day
Posted by CrazyGuns
hmmm, im not exactly a professional at this, but
Can't wait!
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Posted by Tigershark42
Why do SE take SOOOOOOOOOOO long!!!!! This is why everyone goes for Nokia, SE fans have to wait so long there wont be any left!! No point taking a million years to develop the perfect phone. I think there must be some complete fools in SE who dont have any good marketing strategy. They throw out a couple of mid range phones, put HSDPA on them and suddenly we're meant to think theyre amazing. The W960i STILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL isnt available in the UK. N now they think that just because of all that they can afford to stall for half a year? Ive gotta say thats shameful. If Nokia did that thered be no N95 churning money for them to then make better phones. SE, on the other had, seem to draw a thick line between 'mid range' and 'top range' and always neglect one in favour of the other. This segregation only harms the company because, as I see it, the consumer wants a spectrum of different available features at a range of different prices. And now we have to wait till July for the P5i? its ridiculous!! My only thought against this outlook is that the N95 (as a good example of a well marketed top of the range solution) is a year old and still going strong as if it was just released (without even considering the 8Gb version); hopefully the same can be said for the P5i, even though it took so long to release.
Nevertheless, PK and SE, why do you keep doing this to us?
Posted by Mizzle
It could ruin the excellent P1 and W960 sales if they announced it too early.
Posted by Tigershark42
I dont think so. This is in a different league to those two handsets. Yes its a similar OS, same series and so on but in terms of specs (assuming the rumours are correct) theyre just not comparable. I dont know why they even bothered with the W960 if the P5i was already in development. Think about it. Everything that is actually new in the W960 could have just been a software upgrade for the P1 and thats it. But no. They have to release something thats almost the same (ie all that time difference for barely any improvement). If I could go for one it would be the W960 100%, its a fantastic phone, but still, it seems like they mistimed it to release a P1 which has a walkman logo on it. Im sorry, but thats pathetic. And the P1 isnt really so new. Not in terms of specs, anyway. Its also an amazing mobile. But this is business. S60 solutions seem to have much more support and therefore usability potential. So I think they have wasted time. It should have been p1, then p5 (or maybe even W5, if they want) but there really isnt that much point in the W960 being released other than for the sake of a flashier P1. Of course, its too late for all that now.
Id still disagree with your statement, though. The manufacturer should make the consumer spoilt for choice. It wont affect the sales negatively because people will all be buying something closer to what they want. They therefore will retain their customers the next time around. Perhaps if the W960 would have one or two more important specs on par with the P5 then I'd agree with you, but to my disappointment, it doesnt.
Posted by PeterKay
On 2007-12-21 08:21:23, CrazyGuns wrote:
hmmm, im not exactly a professional at this, but
Can't wait!
Like it
Posted by Calarfe
On 2007-12-20 18:47:08, PeterKay wrote:
On 2007-12-20 18:45:56, chuksy wrote:
Have you changed your phone PK?
change them every other day
Peter, are you allowed to say us if your prototype had a multi finger screen or not ?
Thx
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Posted by tob!s
He didnt have the prototype any more, he said.
Tobi
Posted by Calarfe
On 2007-12-21 17:10:53, tobiphill wrote:
He didnt have the prototype any more, he said.
Tobi
edited
Posted by CrazyGuns
On 2007-12-21 16:31:19, PeterKay wrote:
On 2007-12-21 08:21:23, CrazyGuns wrote:
hmmm, im not exactly a professional at this, but
Can't wait!
Like it
Most welcome!
So how long do you think for that to be a reality? atleast for you?
Posted by thefanboy
Peterkay,
How do other testers feel about the device ?
Is testing more aggressive compared to other se devices ?
Posted by kenx3000
@Tigershark42
May be you should study the market more. New handsets mostly come as a substitute to the old handsets. If P5i comes right now, P1i and W960i will automatically be knocked down to the lower market. Prices will then be forced to drop. If they won't drop it, they need to keep P5i price exceedingly high. That's what I call suicide. If P5i will be due mid of next year. It's about the right time for new substitutes because P1i will be 1 year old.
S60 does have many security flaws which UIQ doesn't. It's like a Mac OS and Windows OS. One might be popular, but huge risks while the other might not be as popular as yet, but less risk. Now think of how much share Apple have gained from Microsoft in the past few years?
About W960i coming out with P1i. It's SE's strategy for grabbing multiple markets. Nokia does the exact same thing too, so don't just blame SE.
SE isn't holding P5i mainly because of both W960i and P1i, but they need to make sure when it comes out, it's what the market currently wants. Second effect is killing their own market of W960i and P1i that's about to go gold for new year's sale. I don't think you should complain. It's always been like this, and other companies are doing the exact same thing. It's not something that they would likely change.
Posted by Tigershark42
Some fair points there. I am on your side regarding the OS. UIQ IS preferable in my view. But if I'm honest, I wouldnt be able to claim that its the more popular. That already is an indication of where SE already stands.
Nothing you said about P1, W960, P5 etc was wrong I dont think, but you must remember that SE arent the only phone manufacturer out there, so its not just about marketing your products correctly, but also outdoing the competition. I think Nokia (despite the fact that I HATE nokia) HAVE outdone the competition with their smartphone. Therefore, I dont think its bright of SE to expect people to want to hang on to their same old inferior solution. N95 has proven this I think. In the SMARTPHONE (not PDA) market, if you produce the best range of capabilities and features, it WILL sell. So, going back to your original argument, although the P5 being released now would harm P1 and W960 sales, because it would outdo EVERYTHING ELSE also, profit from it would be 10 fold what would be attained from the P1 and W960 put together. Thats what I think. But its a question of whether or not the P5 would be good enough in all criteria to sell that much. If it really is as good as PK claims it to be, then they should take that gamble as I say and release it ASAP so that it stays stronger for longer. Dont you think it possible that in 6 months time the N96 could be well into its sales and outdoing SE on timing as well as on performance. I dont see that as strange at all, because that seems to have been happening for the past couple of years now.
In any case, at least the W960 would sell even in the shadow of the P5 because it would be cheaper and of Walkman branding. P1 would too. Where I live, theyve just brought the P990 to the shops NOW! There is a huge time lag between release and you being able to buy one depending on where you are in the world. So if SE prolong that further by increasing time from announcement too, then the fans just go for different manufacturers, who may even have better solutions by then.
You must remember that theres no reason why SE shouldnt be at the top of the mobile phone industry. They are comprised from Sony (electronics manufacturing powerhouse and a name associated with good quality) and ericsson (strong for battery life, and excellent with the communications industry in general). How could they let anyone else be ahead? What Im trying to get at is, if SE keep looking back at handsets theyve already released and hope that they sell more, then there wont be any new ones and theyll just lose to their competitors. AGAIN.
Posted by Dogmann
@kenx3000
When you say
"S60 does have many security flaws which UIQ doesn't"
Sorry but that is just totally false as both UIQ and S60 are nothing more than different user interfaces they both run on top of exactly the same OS although Nokia is already using a newer variant of the OS.
So would you care to share with us just how you have reached this truly amazeing and wholly inaccurate assumption then? as sorry but you are wrong.
Oh and the only reason that the P1 and W960 would be knocked down as you put it is due to the fact that there spec's for late 2007 are very old. As they are still using the same hardware as the P990 still no HSDPA and the now very old Nexperia chip. Where as the P5 hopefully will have all the latest technology as we expect from a flagship device at least this time SE realeased before release and appear to be addressing this issue by updating and improving the spec and personally i think this is the right thing to do and hopefully well wroth the additional wait.
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Posted by Tigershark42
I agree with that 100%
Posted by doministry
Just remarks,
I don't think Pnext will have any outdated technology,
It will be surely rather top end, ahead of the competitors,
also, releasing Pnext to the market - let's say - in May 2008, it's still less than a year from P1 release.
As for outdated specs, don't think only about data on paper,
think also about what phone can do effectively,
and with the big respect to what N95 can offer for instance,
it's not such a SUBSTANTIAL difference from P1 even in terms of processor/etc.
I mean, general experience with both phones puts them in the same general class of smartphones, it's not a different level. And both have some flaws,
P.S. N95 and P1, often compared here, belong to a different niche, good to remember that. So, respectively, in the BusinessClass smartphones Nokia behaves much less vivid than in this multimedia/high tech entertainment product.
Posted by Tigershark42
I was just using it as an example because like Pnext, it is a top of the range solution. Therefore, P5 is better than N95 which is better than P1- to upgrade from the P1 to the P5, the specs of the N95 must be surpassed. and for the record, N95 IS a better solution than the P1 in every field except the battery. But we all know thats no problem when it comes to SE. In terms of what you can do- WLAN 802.11g, GPS navigation, 5 Mpx photos, play games using a Dpad, have dedicated multimedia keys, and have an interface which is more convenient in day to day situations, to name but a few very EFFECTIVE differences. P5i really should match and surpass this.
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Posted by Dogmann
@doministry
Sorry i just can not agree with you maybe the processor is not that important although more power is always good to have and not need rather than need it and not have it. But no HSDPA in the later part of 2007 in a Data centric device is just not good especially when most smart phones from other manufacturers have it, hell even SE dumb phones have it.
As i said the P5 will address both these issues but if it uses the OMAP 2 series chip this will not be cutting edge at all but already an old and established standard. But as currently no one knows for sure just what the P5 will have power it or what it's final spec's will be it is impossible to claim it will either be class leading or not as no one knows the answer to this yet. I hope it does have the latest and greatest specs and this goes not just for the processor but also 7.2mbps HSDPA. Also i really fail to see the relevance of it being the most powerful or not far more important to me is how it performs and if it's stable or not when realeased as this will effect it's success more than if it is the most advanced or not.
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Posted by kenx3000
@Doggman
I wonder how some virus got to Symbian OS and won't work on UIQ?
They do run off the same base OS, but many are actually different. Or else why would some programs of Symbian OS would not work on UIQ? Don't tell me it's because it's not built for it. Same buttons, same base OS, but why not work? I did not come up with this conclusion on my own. It is something that has always been known and never fully fixed.
I do agree that processor might not be the most important factor. I heard NVidia is coming to help with mobile graphics, so if there's a dedicated graphic chip, the processor wouldn't handle all the loads of work. It all depends on what the phone is designed for.
@Tigershark42
I think SE does know that they're in a bad position in the market right now because they're losing what they had gained. May be they needed this time to revise all the mistakes and make sure the next lot will be a good comeback. I talked to one of my friends who use to work for SE, he did say that SE did that once before K700i and S700i came out. We do remember that they paused a very long time then boom out with those two. Let's just cross our fingers and hope for the best from SE.
Oh, and about Sony, I never buy stuff from Sony...really. I only buy phones from SE, but not Sony products. It's just too wide that they're not specialized in any single topic. I think of Sony and SE as 2 different companies(which they are, different CEO's and executives).
I think technology wise, SE isn't that behind. I think SE has one of the best market research. They tend to play a lot with what they already have. Think about how many features based off of the OS that SE had put their time into(The PS style OS, Accelerometer, Light-sensor). They tend to have many informatics working with media entertainment rather than emphasizing on just Hardware-based phones. I think they learned that lesson from Motorola.
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Posted by JAGUY85
On 2007-12-20 05:43:13, kenx3000 wrote:
@JAGUY85
I'm sure there's more than PK
it's just more risky to all appear. SE reps DO come in and read to get feedbacks from their products. I knew some reps, but they never managed to post or anything. Just to read and report.
I'm really hesitating right now to wait for P5i or go for P1i right now. My Nokia 5300 is breaking down, screens scratched not even a year in(my old K790i was alot more durable with no scratches until it got stolen). What shall I do PK? Wait? Or grab myself a P1i
Ok thanks. I could take it no more and sold my K810 and bought the P1. Now I await it's delivery. There was nothing else somewhat affordable in the
line that suited me. W960 too expensive and well K850 didn't wow enough and it's also expensive. P1 fit right in. It's gonna be my first smartphone too.
Posted by kenx3000
On 2007-12-23 06:05:35, JAGUY85 wrote:
On 2007-12-20 05:43:13, kenx3000 wrote:
@JAGUY85
I'm sure there's more than PK
it's just more risky to all appear. SE reps DO come in and read to get feedbacks from their products. I knew some reps, but they never managed to post or anything. Just to read and report.
I'm really hesitating right now to wait for P5i or go for P1i right now. My Nokia 5300 is breaking down, screens scratched not even a year in(my old K790i was alot more durable with no scratches until it got stolen). What shall I do PK? Wait? Or grab myself a P1i
Ok thanks. I could take it no more and sold my K810 and bought the P1. Now I await it's delivery. There was nothing else somewhat affordable in the
line that suited me. W960 too expensive and well K850 didn't wow enough and it's also expensive. P1 fit right in. It's gonna be my first smartphone too.
I might be joining you with P1i soon
Posted by mulsim_soldi
On 2007-12-23 03:59:50, kenx3000 wrote:
@Doggman
. It's just too wide that they're not specialized in any single topic.
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now who is ??
Posted by mulsim_soldi
waw ... look at this
Lets go mobile .. i think they took Sealover's Desgin ...
http://www.letsgomobile.org/en/cellular/1296/sonyericssonp5i/
Posted by kenx3000
On 2007-12-23 06:49:52, mulsim_soldi wrote:
On 2007-12-23 03:59:50, kenx3000 wrote:
@Doggman
. It's just too wide that they're not specialized in any single topic.
[ This Message was edited by: kenx3000 on 2007-12-23 03:10 ]
now who is ??
I'm saying that for example, digital camera has Nikon, Fujifilm, and Canon that are head of the group while Sony is nearly the tail(in terms of quality). Talk about Laptops and Desktop PC's, there's Dell, HP, etc. They have lower price while offering something more. All I could remember that Sony does it good is just Bravia TV and Playstation. Other than that, you can't really consider Sony to be top of the line.
Posted by mulsim_soldi
i know wat u mean .. but there's many companies that are doing every thing else like Panasonic + hp + toshiba + samsung + Lg ..etc ,,, its not sony alone ..
and about the digital cameras .. although i hate sony cybershot but who said that its in the tail in terms of quality ??? alpha a100 is very comparble to the nikon d40x and the canon d400 and fujifilm dosent even have an slr that is comparble to the a100 only have the s5 which the a700 is better than it and aalpha a700 is comparble to the d300 from nikon and e3 form olympus and the canon d40 and mabye better in some terms and the price is very very good ( go to dpreview.com and see the sony's reviews ) .. and the normal digital cameras ( h9 + h5 + w200 + etc ... ) sony considered as one of the best .
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Posted by razec
On 2007-12-23 09:22:58, mulsim_soldi wrote:
i know wat u mean .. but there's many companies that are doing every thing else like Panasonic + hp + toshiba + samsung + Lg ..etc ,,, its not sony alone ..
and about the digital cameras .. although i hate sony cybershot but who said that its in the tail in terms of quality ??? alpha a100 is very comparble to the nikon d40x and the canon d400 and fujifilm dosent even have an slr that is comparble to the a100 only have the s5 which the a700 is better than it and aalpha a700 is comparble to the d300 from nikon and e3 form olympus and the canon d40 and mabye better in some terms and the price is very very good ( go to dpreview.com and see the sony's reviews ) .. and the normal digital cameras ( h9 + h5 + w200 + etc ... ) sony considered as one of the best .
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[ This Message was edited by: mulsim_soldi on 2007-12-23 08:29 ]
I love both the three giants Sony Nikon and Canon, but bear in mind that all those digicam makers buys sensor from the one and only Sony
and yeah i agree with you matey regarding the allegation that Sony is only near in tail. that's a very ridiculous statement not to mention that i haven't seen any cameras from Fuji,Canon or Nikon that had all the technologies Sony Have. especially the aquired CCD Shift IS in Alpha from Minolta. User interface on Canon 40D is not that comparable to the better UI and controls nikon and Sony has. especially when we compare the A700 UI to the anorexic UI of canon.
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Posted by mulsim_soldi
@razec..
Agree with u .. but notice that canon make its own sensor .. but yea nikon use sony's sensors ( although its strange as nikon and fuji have a partnership or something like that ) and pentax aso use sony's sensors ..
Posted by razec
On 2007-12-23 11:50:44, mulsim_soldi wrote:
@razec..
Agree with u .. but notice that canon make its own sensor .. but yea nikon use sony's sensors ( although its strange as nikon and fuji have a partnership or something like that ) and pentax aso use sony's sensors ..
Canon will use their own sensors when they are manufacturing high-performance DSLRs like the EOS 1D III since Sony doesn't produce an APS-H size sensor but only the C-type. and since Canon are the leaders in DSLRs and has the most advanced DSLR over the three they will need to design a very large sensor like that to comply with the criterias/qualities for a top of the line DSLR. sony and nikon atm doesn't have a 1D III competitor but instead they target the mainstream DSLR market
but most of the CCD sensors found in Powershots and Ixus(IXY/SDxxx series) were made by sony including the 1/1.7" 12 megapixel Canon ixus
Posted by kenx3000
actually, Canon also uses camera lens from Sony. Sony is more of an OEM to the digital camera market. That's why they don't tackle that market too hard, especially on the DSLR market.(I guess its like Nemo jumping into a pond of sharkies
)
@razec
please don't blame me for seeing Sony as the tail. They do good at some markets. They are the best for overall companies(compared to Samsung, Panasonic). Only when you dive deeply, is when Sony falls apart. Yes, Sony cameras do have good technologies, but I just want them to look more to the quality they made, rather than technology because we know that quality is more important than technology.
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Posted by Mizzle
I can't believe that these fools are actually believing those 'photoshops'.
Posted by razec
I like the UI of the concept. it's brilliant! it's awesome! and it's perfect to describe the main Selling Point of UIQ - UI flexibility
- i hope UIQ 4 would use Flash Themes to enable theme designers to create their own layout like that
Posted by mulsim_soldi
On 2007-12-23 13:34:38, Mizzle wrote:
I can't believe that these fools are actually believing those 'photoshops'.
which fools ??
..
On 2007-12-23 13:46:43, razec wrote:
I like the UI of the concept. it's brilliant! it's awesome! and it's perfect to describe the main Selling Point of UIQ - UI flexibility
- i hope UIQ 4 would use Flash Themes to enable theme designers to create their own layout like that
yea using flash themes will be great .. hope they will do one ..
@ Sealover
so this is one differ than the one in the first page .. so is something happned or wat ??
and wat do u think about this ..
http://www.letsgomobile.org/en/cellular/1296/sonyericssonp5i/
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Posted by Mizzle
Well, everybody believing in them.