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Posted by bodeh6
I thought SE said no more announcements this year?
Hopefully they made a last minute change.


Posted by Mizzle

On 2007-11-16 13:55:37, bodeh6 wrote:
I thought SE said no more announcements this year?
Hopefully they made a last minute change.


They did, so hopefully this is a last minute change, as you say.

Posted by ares
what happened was that a guy from SE said that he had no info on more announcements this year...but that does not mean that won´t happen

you see, right now SE is super secret about all this stuff, unlike some years ago, and they would never put someone recognizing a rumor so far from the actual event

lets wait and see

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[ This Message was edited by: ares on 2007-11-16 13:07 ]

Posted by laurenke01
Ares: I totally agree. Not having information about an announcement is a lot different from not having an announcement.

Plus, it's not like SE would actually come out and say when the thing is.

Regardless, we have a 95% accurate PhotoShop of the P5i, and so I'm content until whenever the announcement is.

Posted by Pop Lover


[ This Message was edited by: Pop Lover on 2007-11-16 15:02 ]

Posted by bodeh6
What is on 11/24? Another release date? Whats with the pic too?

Posted by Sliderse
For what its worth I have been told there is no such thing as a P5, P3 or any other P series phone.
The Phone that PK is saying he has might be a "W" series phone though.

There will be no update of the P1 for at least the next 12 months except software, which a new revision of Firmware will be realeased anytime as early as Monday of next week. So I have been informed.

Posted by JC08
Whats that in the background of the pic next to the window?

Posted by remirez
The previous P1 firmware having been realeased amonth or so ago and not being available yet for all the regions, I doubt that SE is ready to release a new one. They've usually been releasing firmwares at a slower pace (once per quarter).
That being said, I'd be more than happy to see them do that more regularly like it seems to be the case for Nokia. It would only mean that they're trying to get their acts together (hopefully).

Let's wait for Monday, I'd rather have a new firmware for my P1 than an announcement for a phone which won't make it to my pocket for another 6 to 12 months.

Posted by ares

On 2007-11-16 16:21:14, Sliderse wrote:
For what its worth I have been told there is no such thing as a P5, P3 or any other P series phone.
The Phone that PK is saying he has might be a "W" series phone though.

There will be no update of the P1 for at least the next 12 months except software, which a new revision of Firmware will be realeased anytime as early as Monday of next week. So I have been informed.


very much doubt all of that...the phone PK has been testing does not have Walkman branding, software...the 2 prototypes my source saw (one was the same PK had), also did not have such...there is definitively a new P series coming...

Posted by goldenface

On 2007-11-16 16:27:07, JC08 wrote:
Whats that in the background of the pic next to the window?


It looks to me like some sort of countdown clock?

Posted by doministry
@sliderse
One thing I can say:
this is a complete bulls...t.

Posted by bodeh6
doministry, I agree with you.

Posted by xironghostx
Looks like he has something to do with SE, the avatar says "kista, sweden" and that is the place where SE developes smartphones. But i dont believe him..

Posted by sealover94


[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2007-11-16 18:09 ]

Posted by doministry
So all the people living in Kista are from SE?
I think there are many, many rumours.
All I can say is that Pnext proto exists and can be a kickass device.
But the PRESENCE on the market - it's not an info available for any tester.
Did sliderse say WHERE did he get this info?

Posted by Uxi

Going by the latest photoshop of P5, is this how it compares in size to P990 and P1???




Interesting comparison...

I would prefer to keep a P900 sized Qwerty keyboard permanently attached. Someone chop a removable flip open/close on there, please. That and a 5D jog dial would make it a guaranteed buy for me.

Posted by RandomCarpet

On 2007-11-16 16:41:29, ares wrote:

On 2007-11-16 16:21:14, Sliderse wrote:
For what its worth I have been told there is no such thing as a P5, P3 or any other P series phone.
The Phone that PK is saying he has might be a "W" series phone though.

There will be no update of the P1 for at least the next 12 months except software, which a new revision of Firmware will be realeased anytime as early as Monday of next week. So I have been informed.


very much doubt all of that...the phone PK has been testing does not have Walkman branding, software...the 2 prototypes my source saw (one was the same PK had), also did not have such...there is definitively a new P series coming...



Perhaps, there is a slight chance that gives this handset neither P nor W index, but put it in a different series instead? Remember how they revived T and S series out of the sudden not that long ago, we can't be sure if they are planning to include some Symbian phones in K, T or S series in the future. Seems quite unlikely, but who knows in the end

just speculating

[ This Message was edited by: RandomCarpet on 2007-11-16 18:39 ]

Posted by xironghostx

On 2007-11-16 19:09:05, doministry wrote:
So all the people living in Kista are from SE?


Didn't mean that, but there is a slight chance that he is from SE because not many ppls from kista log on to this forum, maybe..

Posted by Sliderse

On 2007-11-16 19:09:05, doministry wrote:
So all the people living in Kista are from SE?
I think there are many, many rumours.
All I can say is that Pnext proto exists and can be a kickass device.
But the PRESENCE on the market - it's not an info available for any tester.
Did sliderse say WHERE did he get this info?


I know someone who works for Sony Ericsson. He is normally pretty spot on with his Information. He was pretty adement when he was shown the picture of the sealover concept phone that it was not going to be a P5.

And the se in my signum is not for Sony Ericsson its for Sweden.. I do not work for Sony Ericsson, But I do have lunch in their resturant almost everyday

Posted by xironghostx
So you are a SE fan in other words?:)

Posted by m-one
@ares

As far as I know Sony Ericsson has a contract with TexasInstruments.
So my first thought was the incorporation of the OMAP-3 generation.

But...

There seems to be a coherence between Qualcomm and the simultaneous replacement of the two components: CPU and the GPS-Chip.

Ever heard of the Snapdragon Platform?

http://www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/snapdragon.pdf

Enjoy

This isn't future sound, it's reality right now. This chipset is being shipped already




[ This Message was edited by: m-one on 2007-11-16 19:25 ]

Posted by doministry
Ok sliderse,
I got your point.
What I'm just saying, is that it's still guessing.
And your friend probably is not allowed to speak anyways, and if he speaks - it's also a rumour. SE will not make a leak and it's a secret. So, if we assume that the announcement will not be too soon, we know nothing about the facts.

Posted by icaka
@m-one

Good point.Different manufacturer(not TI) makes sense.TI have more "barebone" chipsets(sorry but thats the word) that require more money for R&D AND take more space on the board(due to much more external components).SE aim at slimmer devices than the competitors.In fact,I've thought of that too,but didn't want to write it in the first post as I wasn't familiar with the Snapdragon platform.Now I'll add it as a possibility.

And about the question why I wrote P5i won't be out till May/June,that was because OMAP3 Series would require more time to implement and they are not shipped yet,so more time for R&D and lack of shipment are the main reasons.

I believe Snapdragon will be faster to implement and the chipset is already shipping,so we may expect earlier release date for P5i.Thats pure speculation, of course.

Posted by m-one
@icaka

That's it. All modules on one small chipset - all in one

Since SE is concentrating on slim form factors and a clever power management the Snapdragon platform is the most likely hit.
Of course this is pure speculation...but ares did hear something about an Qualcomm solution - so this is the one that makes the most sense

Posted by icaka
First post updated.

Well BOM will be lower if Snapdragon is used.

The possibility of a Qualcomm chipset was discussed over M-R,but there wasn't any specific info(nor insider info).

I don't know if Snapdragon is with better power management than OMAP 3.OMAP 3 series are said to have very good power management,better than OMAP 2 series have,but the external components raise power consumption for sure.There is the volume factor here - less components,more place for the battery.Less is more,you know.

EDIT: I forgot to add that December,12 is rumoured to be the announcement date by Eldar over M-R.Don't get too hooked up,considering the announcement history of SE.
When the time comes,we'll see.

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[ This Message was edited by: icaka on 2007-11-16 21:00 ]


Posted by doministry
@icaka
Thank you for the answer!

Posted by icaka
@doministry
np man!

Btw,I found some interesting info about the Qualcomm platform.It appears that it has integrated broadcast support - MediaFLO™, SDMB, ISDB-T, TDMB, DVB-H with QUALCOMM's UBM™ universal broadcast modem solution.
It also has 1Ghz Scorpion processor with 128-bit SIMD capability,paired with 600 Mhz DSP.Snapdragon has integrated compass and GPS/A-GPS support too,VoIP with VCC,BT 2.0+EDR,support of up to 12MP cameras,high video-recording capabilities.

This is a demonstration of the platform gaming capabilities:

http://www.cdmatech.com/docs_[....]ech_demos/demos_3dgraphics.jsp

The Asphalt Urban GT looks good.
I think it will be better in the end,but its up to game developers,not the hardware itself(it has 600Mhz DSP and OpenGL ES 2.0 graphics support and everything).

Demonstration of 3D audio capabilities:

http://www.cdmatech.com/products/enhanced_audio.jsp

The demonstrations are in the top right corner.

Impressive.

But the thing that struck me is that it supports IEEE 802.11a,b,g,n featuring True MIMO™.Wow thats what we're talking about.


Interesting info is that "Samsung Electronics, a leading provider and innovator of mobile phones, will be among the first device manufacturers to leverage Snapdragon for future devices."

Good for them.

I hope SE will use Snapdragon platform instead of OMAP 3.When I saw WiFi draft n support with MIMO I thought "Now I'm sold." (Yeah, I know TI support draft n as well,but not integrated in the chipset,so its not sure if the P-series flagship phone will have it.Just for info - WL1273 - http://focus.ti.com/general/d[....]QS=ProductBulletin+OT+wilink_6 )

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[ This Message was edited by: icaka on 2007-11-16 21:52 ]

Posted by ares
m-one, ikaca, when i refered to Qualcomm, was not because i came up with it by myself, if you know what i mean Again, like in most things right now, i am not 100% sure...but, if i had to bet...

Posted by m-one
@ ares

Posted by icaka

On 2007-11-16 22:52:46, ares wrote:
m-one, ikaca, when i refered to Qualcomm, was not because i came up with it by myself, if you know what i mean Again, like in most things right now, i am not 100% sure...but, if i had to bet...



Good to know that.
Btw,its icaka, not ikaca.Its an abbreviation in fact.

Posted by ares
i was writing your nickname by memory, but my memory is clearly bad sorry

back to topic, this situation looks like a big puzzle, because the insiders some of we have acess are being very carefull in what they "release"

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Posted by m-one
Yeah, in fact a really big puzzle.



Posted by my ninja
this is all very interesting, only because PK had to send his brick back for "OS updates", around the same time that reports started magically popping up about a processor upgrade. then the DEC 12th thing is like most dates around here, picked out of thin air, yes im calling ELDAR the GREAT out ... only cuz i can. did we not get information stating CLEARLY that there will be NO announcements till next year from the man who decides when each announcement has to happen (in london ...) why would he schedule an announcement not THREE days after saying there wont be one in 2007 and that the Nov. 6th was the last?

IF SE did change to Qualcomm (from the looks of things, now ill be disappointed if they dont use SnapDragon, it looks so tasty. but as they say jack of all trades master of none ... makes you think how well it can do all these things it professes.) they would need more than a month to announce it. IF they did change the board out from the "P5i" dont you think there would be a LOT more in house testing than beta-testers handling the product IE, PeterKay.

something doesnt add up ...

IF it was in Beta, to have someone like PK testing it, then the Qualcomm idea came in late. and that means that they have to start "anew" what i mean is if its a different architecture than what was being used, that means that it has to be reprogramed and optimized, granted thats what the time b.w announcement and release COULD be used for. however ideally no one wants an afterthought for their top tier "phone". i know SE doesnt want another P990. So we have a phone thats in a frankenstein mode of development (not saying i know how phones are developed but i do know how other technologies progress from idea to manufacture) and we have _NO_ information other than it MAY exist.

im not saying PK didnt have this phone, but damn i cant wait till he gets the "upgrade" if it happens the way ares and icaka are prophesying ... oh man, itll be a good day to be an SE fan!!!

hopefully they release it early 2Q, cuz i want GPS in a phone, its too clutch, and the K850 is missing that and WiFi. i hope the P5i represents the TRUE TECHNOPH!LE

Posted by m-one
Do you really think SE is developing or working on only one single hardware platform?


[ This Message was edited by: m-one on 2007-11-17 02:19 ]

Posted by icaka
Snapdragon platform started shipping in Q3/2007, but there were samples provided long ago. SE decided to make a parallel R&D(which happens often) for both the platforms (Snapdragon & OMAP 3) and after the beta-testing decided to use Snapdragon, despite the performance shown is worse than OMAP3 (PK's proto) showed, and thats because of underdevelopment. So basically what they're doing now is finishing Snapdragon's development, not starting it.

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[ This Message was edited by: icaka on 2007-11-17 10:03 ]

Posted by mustafabay
Why is it they are choosing the one with worse performance?

Posted by icaka
The platform itself is on par with OMAP 3 and better in some areas. But the implementation is not good enough so it shows worse performance. Also, price tag is important as well as the fact that Snapdragon is more integrated than OMAP 3.

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[ This Message was edited by: icaka on 2007-11-17 10:34 ]

Posted by Gecata_
I hope the resolution is going to be 640x360 because I want the phone to be with 16:9 like in Japan enough of this old 4:3

Posted by doministry
Yeah, phones in Japan are amazing...
Still, I think that we'll all be surprised by the new P

Posted by laurenke01

On 2007-11-17 11:01:01, icaka wrote:
Snapdragon platform started shipping in Q3/2007, but there were samples provided long ago. SE decided to make a parallel R&D(which happens often) for both the platforms (Snapdragon & OMAP 3) and after the beta-testing decided to use Snapdragon, despite the performance shown is worse than OMAP3 (PK's proto) showed, and thats because of underdevelopment. So basically what they're doing now is finishing Snapdragon's development, not starting it.


So is this fact or are we still speculating?

Posted by xironghostx


So is this fact or are we still speculating?


I guess something like this is facts because if it isn't SE is going to lose the game against htc, nokia, lg and such..

Posted by chuksy
@icaka

So what do you say:

Fact or fiction

Posted by icaka
Logical assumption, in which I'm 90% sure. Thats the explanation of the current situation, considering all the things happening. I think many of the trusted members will agree with me, if not all.

Posted by MWEB

On 2007-11-17 21:27:25, icaka wrote:
Logical assumption, in which I'm 90% sure. Thats the explanation of the current situation, considering all the things happening. I think many of the trusted members will agree with me, if not all.


Not sure what that means exactly, but from what i have read and seen icaka knows his stuff and i am always interested in reading his posts.

Posted by chuksy
2008 promises to be an interesting year for all the top guns in the mobile industry.I cant wait to see what they have to offer...the competetion for the best and most innovative smartphone is heating up and nobody wants to be left behind.

Posted by icaka

On 2007-11-17 22:04:29, mweb6161 wrote:

On 2007-11-17 21:27:25, icaka wrote:
Logical assumption, in which I'm 90% sure. Thats the explanation of the current situation, considering all the things happening. I think many of the trusted members will agree with me, if not all.


Not sure what that means exactly, but from what i have read and seen icaka knows his stuff and i am always interested in reading his posts.



Thanks man. Nice to see you here again.

Posted by PeterKay

On 2007-11-17 22:15:55, chuksy wrote:
2008 promises to be an interesting year for all the top guns in the mobile industry.I cant wait to see what they have to offer...the competetion for the best and most innovative smartphone is heating up and nobody wants to be left behind.


Absolutely spot on mate.

will be up there too.




Posted by chuksy
@pk

Cheers mate

Posted by my ninja
yes, i did assume that they were working on ONE platform, is that so far fetched given what they have supplied us with for the past 2 years, in MANY of their phones SHARING the same platform.

for that assumption, im sorry.

i wasnt assuming that this is the ONLY platform they are working on, but i did assume that there was ONLY ONE that was to be a "P5i"

its amusing to me to see, the gullibility of the board everytime someone "trusted" divulges information, at this point i dont care until SE tells me, thats how bad it is. every month theres an announcement date. if that in and of itself wasnt funny enough. we now have a product that is so outlandishly out of character with SE that its hard to NOT want a device as integrated and connected as the one speculated here.

but until we get some pictures with legit specs (sorry sealover, although your renders are magnificent) without specs, its just that.

i hope that icaka is right, but in the end im bound to be disappointed, only because with all of those features SE would never release it, every phone that SE releases has SOMETHING missing that is glaring and obvious, that it would be hard for an engineer to miss.

ps: what ever happened to ... http://www.gearfuse.com/unann[....]-zoom-cybershot-phone-snapped/

was this at somepoint declared fake, sorry if i missed that. looks like the 3x optical is PS'd on.

regardless, lets hope for now, that the SnapDragon P5i can be made stable and into the hands of PeterKay in short order, else chalk this one up to vaporware with the "gPhone" and duke nukem forever


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