Posted by Mr Miyagi
On 2007-11-13 19:46:02, Seanyb2 wrote:
WHATEVER ANYONE ELSE THINKS I THINK THIS PHONE IS SERIOUSLY OVER RATED. And i think Apple have made a big mistake going with just O2. WHY.
This message was posted from a 6300
they went with the network that has the most customers in the UK, how is that a big mistake?
Posted by MWEB
The mistake was, selling it to a SINGLE network, obviously restricting its overall sales to a certain degree, O2 like the exclusivity, but are making CUSTOMERS pay through the nose for the priviledge!!
Posted by scotsboyuk
Another mistake was in exclusively partnering with a network that only provides EDGE coverage to 30% of the population.
Posted by Mr Miyagi
On 2007-11-13 20:38:12, mweb6161 wrote:
The mistake was, selling it to a SINGLE network, obviously restricting its overall sales to a certain degree, O2 like the exclusivity, but are making CUSTOMERS pay through the nose for the priviledge!!
the device is a mainly internet device, which o2 have given unlimited internet access and free wifi access to their customers with the priceplans they offer for the iphone, how is paying £35 a month which is the average price of a priceplan, with any network, and getting unlimited net access, out of the ordinary???
no one is making customers pay anything, if customers are not wanting an iphone on the o2 contract, they do not have to sign up for it, they can buy it sim free from whereever they want. its not like o2 is holding a ak47 against everyone and making them sign up, customers are signing up, since they think its a good deal and are going for it.
Posted by Daedalus85
On 2007-11-13 20:38:12, mweb6161 wrote:
but are making CUSTOMERS pay through the nose for the priviledge!!
and like the others wouldn't do the same? I thought so...
Anyway, 14 pages of this and who cares? If you want to get one, get one. If you don't want one or can't get one, don't, at the end of the day, even 1000 pages of moaning on here won't get you anywhere.
Having said that, it makes a bloody funny read, you guys should see yourselves, it's like being at primary school
Posted by MWEB
If if was available sim-free like virtually every other device on the planet, no one would have anything to moan about would they
Posted by Mr Miyagi
On 2007-11-13 22:24:31, mweb6161 wrote:
If if was available sim-free like virtually every other device on the planet, no one would have anything to moan about would they
well i think you should moan to apple about that, since its them who decide if its sim free or tied to a contract.
Posted by Daedalus85
Thats true, leave O2 alone and go bother the really problem people lol, thats what I'd do
Posted by Miss UK
On 2007-11-13 20:38:12, mweb6161 wrote:
The mistake was, selling it to a SINGLE network, obviously restricting its overall sales to a certain degree, O2 like the exclusivity, but are making CUSTOMERS pay through the nose for the priviledge!!
Thats news I didn't assume 02 was the biggest network in the UK
btw what about Vodafone they have more exclusives then any network that 8GB Black N95 costing a Whopping £400 on a £25 per month contract
if people want a iPhone so badley then they will have to go and take out a contract with 02, Im certainley tho not amused by the handset and have left 02 anyways
Posted by Seanyb2
THE IPHONE: Only 2 mega pixel camera does not have 3G cant remove battery have to send it away cant even send pictures messages. WHATS THAT ALL ABOUT. Totally over rated. Nokia has an 8GB mobile with better camera. The only thing i like about iphone is touch screen and screen quality.
This message was posted from a 6300
Posted by mswallis
Let's try not to forget that this is Apple's first phone, things can only get better.
Let's also not forget that the iPhone is pretty much an iPod with a phone and camera built in, pretty good iPod I'd say.
End of the day, stop your whining, if you don't like it's features we don't want to know. Let the people who want one buy it and enjoy it!!
Posted by Daedalus85
Just because it's their first phone doens't mean they can overlook the little things. I don't know of a single manufacturer thats left MMS or Video Recording out of any of their camera phones in the last 2 years really, it's shockingly bad form of a big company like Apple to have done so little research.
Then again, this could be intentional, so when the iPhone 2 comes out, people will have a reason to upgrade lol.
Posted by mswallis
Don't forget that the iPhone actually runs OS X, anything missing from it can be added via software (apart from a better camera and 3G chipset obviously). You just wait 'til February when the official SDK is released. they'll be more features added than you'll know what to do with.
http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/[....]ne-features-not-finished.phtml
enough said!
[ This Message was edited by: mswallis on 2007-11-14 10:07 ]
Posted by Miss UK
it costs too much to not have those functions it should be £169.99 really if Apple wanted to sell more then they would at that price.
I'm sure iPhone 2 will be better im hoping they add a attachment keypad to it and bring back all them features Daedulus mentions
as it's there first attempt at a phone and it's American well the Manufacturers oviousley have aimed this at the US market more cos the US market are abit behind in phone technology or you cannot get a decent handset that works right over there anyway!
iPhone 2 maybe be up against the P1i next so lets wait and see
Posted by whentheleveebreaks
Purchased mine yesterday, love it so far. I always used to turn off 3g on phones in the past so the iphone not having it isnt an issue for me, though the edge network isnt as slow as i expected. Surfing using wifi is brilliant, the best experience ive had on a mobile phone. I can already type pretty quickly on the keyboard, the the correction software is brilliant. The camera is w**k yes but i can live with that for sure. So far the 'negatives' of the phone are completely outweighed by the positives.
Posted by Daedalus85
missuk made a rather interesting point there, it's an American company. Makes more sense really, they don't need things like video recording or mms over there (or so sales figures seem to show).
What I suspect happened over here was Apple turned up at O2's office, O2 were scared shitless and just happy they were there, and said yes straight away without argueing that they should add MMS and Video Recording before bringing it over here. It's like they knew that if they tried to come to even a tiny comprimise, Apple would say "fine" and walk out the door and into Vodafone's office.
Posted by frank2345babies
i played with the iphone today and have to say i was impressed though wasn't tempted to buy it. It was a nice bit of equipment and the camera was even half decent. If it only had better specs i would definatly get one. And nokia better make something special if they want to upstage the iphone 2 or whatever there s60 touch will be up against.
Posted by Miss UK
The camera isn't w**k it's quite good actually,
im just disapointed at the test what The Gadget show gave it cos it putme off, if I hadn't of watched that then I would of been more thrilled to try it out, unfortuantley tho it's not for me I do love Touchscreen phones but atleast
had keypads on theres
I hope the next phone thy decide to do will be alot better you know if Apple were a UK firm then im sure the iPhone would be the fastest selling phone here if added alot of bits of course
it amazes me how iPhone even ended up on 02 there data rates stink even 200MB isn't enough for a bit of kit like that
T-Mobile should of had it just like in Germany
Posted by themarques
On 2007-11-14 18:52:35, Daedalus85 wrote:
missuk made a rather interesting point there, it's an American company. Makes more sense really, they don't need things like video recording or mms over there (or so sales figures seem to show).
What I suspect happened over here was Apple turned up at O2's office, O2 were scared shitless and just happy they were there, and said yes straight away without argueing that they should add MMS and Video Recording before bringing it over here. It's like they knew that if they tried to come to even a tiny comprimise, Apple would say "fine" and walk out the door and into Vodafone's office.
Actually I dont think it has anything to do with that, MMS if you look at it is really a limited resource in its own right. Apple is a company that pushes boundaries and doesnt follow the pack. Take for example Apple decided to exclude floppy drives from there machines many many years ago because they felt the medium was going nowhere fast (and they were right).
MMS compresses your pictures to a dastily size so that lovely 2MP picture is cropped and compressed and sent to a phone for you to look at and then dump. Email on the other hand has the option of hitting your phone and pc and meaning that you will probably keep that picture for longer. So my point is Apple is pushing what the Japanese manufactures have been doing for years, pushing push email, know with gmail imap that is a reality and FREE (yeah you pay your data charges but its miniscule.
Video recording again how many times do you use the video record feature on your phone? not much I am guessing... now I am not sure of the ergonomics but but my guess is operating the camera in record mode (auto focusing etc) is gonna impact on the battery life, this has been Apples biggest concern on this phone as the first thing people complained about in the N95 was its battery life (yeah it had everything you needed in it but still the cry's of the public where heard hence N95-8GB bigger battery)
So I think its not that 02 was scared, not at all its simple fact that you want a good product you want it to sell with as little bad publicity as possible, this has been achieved. Video recording I am sure will be coming at a later stage I believe once all areas of the market have been covered but again not a necessity.
Posted by samab
On 2007-11-15 03:23:34, themarques wrote:
So I think its not that 02 was scared, not at all its simple fact that you want a good product you want it to sell with as little bad publicity as possible, this has been achieved.
I agree with Daedalus85 somewhat about this issue.
Apple is toying with the insecurities in each and individual carrier's minds. Not many carriers in the whole world are going to be as confident in themselves as Verizon Wireless in the US to decline on the iphone deal.
The iphone deal comes with a long of strings that angers your own staff and your own business partners. Your sales staff is going to be worrying about the future of their commission pay if people can "activate" at home. Your other retail partners are going to be angry at you because only CPW gets to sell this iphone. These are 2 very important issues that turned up in the US launch --- from first hand postings in the howardforums website.
It will be interesting to see the iphone launch in France --- on the one hand you know that Apple is going to try to skirt all kinds of simlocking laws in France. On the other hand, Orange sales staff (who hasn't received any iphone training yet) has got to be worrying that they will work and work and work ---- and they may never receive any mobile contract commissions because France may become the worldwide source of unlocked iphones.
Posted by mswallis
it amazes me how iPhone even ended up on 02 there data rates stink even 200MB isn't enough for a bit of kit like that
They dropped the 200MB limit, the day before launch!
Posted by whentheleveebreaks
On 2007-11-15 02:42:45, miss uk wrote:
im just disapointed at the test what The Gadget show gave it cos it putme off
Do people actually take that show for serious???
Posted by mswallis
It would appear so.
Posted by baconnugget
i decided that i would return my iphone, i liked it overall but a few things bugged me like you couldnt delete sms individually, think im gonna wait for the n82
Posted by SloopJohnB
The iphone´s lack of certain features is pure strategy. Instead of releasing a phone with all features they planned for it, they put in the market a phone with a ´good´ and ´sufficient´ amount of features for the time being and then keep adding more features with software updates so people think that apple is ´giving more´to its customers and that the O2/ATT/ORANGE/T-MOBILE deal is really worth it. They iphone only received the youtube function days before its release, the keyboard was only english and today it supports others languages, now the iphone has TV-out and etc. Some people have analysed itunes´files and found out other future functions for the iphone such as disk mode and manual control of files (instead of just syncing). Last week i read on macrumors or appleinsider (can´t remember) that apple will be adding a ´post to youtube´ feature on the iphone, so u can record videos and post´em. (yes, the iphone camera CAN do video, apple just hasnt released the software for it YET). Other curious thing about the iphone is that its radiochip supports 3G, the hardware is there, apple just hasnt again released the software. I think its all a matter of strategy, the other functions will see daylight when apple finds more interesting and probably when apple is ready to use them as much as they can such as with ´post to youtube´ , 3G and etc
Posted by baconnugget
ill prob go for th second or third generation, to me i like delivery reports and ability to delete individual sms's
Posted by Unit9
Do they explain why you failed the credit check? I've been waiting a good while now and they still haven't got back to me.
Posted by baconnugget
i didnt fail it, i jail breaked it but did a restore before i returned it, when i returned the handset i said i fail the credit check inorder to get a refund lol
Posted by Unit9
Thanks kokoko - that was sort of meant for the other people in the thread who did fail it.
Posted by jcwhite_uk
Because of Vodafones injunction on T-Mobile germany, T-Mobile have now said that they will sell the iphone without its normal 2 year contract and that if anyone who has, or will, buy their iPhone from T-Mobile can now have it unlocked for use on any network.
Posted by masseur
yes, but at a price of 999 euros instead of 399 euros
engadget article
more also at BBC
_________________
Unless I'm very much mistaken...
reviews: i-mate V800 K700
[ This Message was edited by: masseur on 2007-11-21 14:08 ]
Posted by samab
999 euro for a unlocked iphone is a useless legal exercise.
Much like how Europe "forced" Microsoft into selling windows xp without the media player --- how many units of that was sold.
Vodafone not suing in the UK --- also signals that whatever o2/apple is doing with the iphone in the UK, it is completely legal.
[ This Message was edited by: samab on 2007-11-21 16:30 ]
Posted by Memzee
Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I thought since there's one existing no point in creating a new one.
Am I right in my assumption that I can walk into an Apple store, buy an iPhone, unlock it, and use my existing O2 SIM without having to sign up for a new 18 month contract?
Or is it not that simple?
Posted by Seanyb2
I hate Apple and their stupid restrictions.
Posted by masseur
@Memzee, yes, its as simple as that
@Seanyb2, what restrictions are you talking about exactly?
Posted by Memzee
Hey Masseur.. long time no see =)
And how easy is it to unlock these things? Could you maybe point me in the direction of some online resources/guides? I've been looking for a UK iPhone forum but haven't come across any decent looking ones.
Posted by masseur
I've not done it myself but apparantly there is some free software called ziphone which does it in a couple of minutes
actually I just remembed a thread on HotUKDeals which has info on buying from CPW and getting £60 back through quidco and it also has some unlock instructions
Posted by fatreg
http://www.modmyifone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31546
is the site you need to unlock it
Posted by Miss UK
this phones old news now but will 02 ever release it upon there PAYG service? my mom likes it and was asking about it which mde me cringe lol
Posted by Seanyb2
This phone on pre pay yes would be very pricey but Apple need to open up their limits on who can own one of these phones otherwise their sales will fall. I hate the fact that Apple seems to think they are so superior to everyone else and they are the only ones to charge such a high price on a contract and high price of handset and its completely locked to O2 when no other phone is locked with O2 like that. Plus you cant use the player unless activated. Crazy rip off over hyped crap.
Posted by fatreg
On 2008-03-22 17:58:00, Seanyb2 wrote:
Crazy rip off over hyped crap.
£270 for a sim free unlocked phone sounds like a bargain to me!
granted it's supposed to cost more than that but shhhhhh!
Posted by Seanyb2
Sorry FatReg seems i misunderstood something along the way. Yes sim free price thats great but i was refering to the iphone being mostly avialable on contract costing the earth and apart from few features and a great screen i think the phone is over hyped. There are other phones out there far better and more desirable.
Posted by Memzee
You're not obliged to use the contract. I just bought a 16GB one, before you activate or mess about with choosing a contract you just unlock it and jailbreak it so you can install 3rd party apps and you can use any SIM you want.
Posted by masseur
so where did you end up getting yours from?
and did you unlock and jailbreak it yourself?
Posted by Seanyb2
If im honest im not a huge fan of touch screen phones. Also having played with one in O2 store the iphone is one fingerprint magnet and apart from nice screen i would not go mad about it. My last touch screen phone was P900i.
Posted by Memzee
Got it from the Apple shop.. unblocked and jailbroken using ZiPhone.
Posted by Miss UK
Sean, your completely right..
it's too much on contract you have to pay £269 + 18 months of £35 which in the end costs towards £800 ouch..
has anyone actually gone for those deals with 02?
handset should cost about £179.99 ideally,
if it ever ends up on 02 prepay well they prob sell it for £600
but then relise it's not selling then dropit down relistically
Posted by Memzee
I wouldn't pay £329 if I had to commit to an 18 month contract aswell.
But SIM free £329 as a completely different ball game.
Especially since I'm selling my K850i now. I should get £250 for that since it comes with 4GB M2 and HPM-90, which would actually means that the iPhone cost me a total of £79.
Awesome.