Posted by goldenface
On 2008-09-06 20:53:24, Phoner wrote:
On 2008-09-06 20:51:20, Homme wrote:
On 2008-09-06 20:06:20, murderjon wrote:
On 2008-09-06 20:05:11, Homme wrote:
On monday we'll see Hecaro.
Is it a joke?
Yes.
A cruel one.
Don't mess with our minds. That is very cruel.
Posted by kraakie
what will hecaro have
touchscreen?
5 or 8 MP?
qwerty Keyboard?
GPS?
Internal storage?
etc
Posted by marty mcfly
On 2008-09-06 22:01:45, kraakie wrote:
what will hecaro have
touchscreen?
5 or 8 MP?
qwerty Keyboard?
GPS?
Internal storage?
etc
It will have a heros welcome and then a short life span.
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Posted by xironghostx
On 2008-09-06 22:06:17, marty mcfly wrote:
It will have a heros welcome and then a short life span.
You mean that it needs to be sent to servicecenter oftent?
Posted by goldenface
Just imagine for one second. 8.0MP, 8GB internal storage plus 8GB expandable, 80g, 8mm thick. . . .
Posted by Phoner
Just a translated article:
http://translate.google.com/t[....]tml&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=ru&tl=en
but it does not look promising for those of us waiting for the next
UIQ smartphone.[ This Message was edited by: Phoner on 2008-09-06 21:37 ]
Posted by makbil
I can understand the frustrations of SE fanboys. When you don't have anything to stand on you naturally become aggressive.
I just read in the xda-developers forum that the first impressions with the X1 are that it is slower than the HTC Tytn II. I've been using a Tytn II for about a week now, no restarts, everything works but unfortunately it's WM (I've updated the ROM to 6.1). In comparison with the P1, Tytn II is about the same speed, maybe slightly faster but not very noticeable.
So in practical terms, the X1 will be about the same speed as the P1, probably with a lot of crashes, so adjust your expectations accordingly.
If SE comes up with a good P series phone I will get it, otherwise my P1 will most likely be my last SE phone. Things aren't looking good for SE, I believe that is what @doministry is saying.
Posted by the-flash
On 2008-09-06 22:16:09, goldenface wrote:
Just imagine for one second. 8.0MP, 8GB internal storage plus 8GB expandable, 80g, 8mm thick. . . .
I'd imagine an 8.0MP camera would be quite bad in such a thin device.
Posted by my ninja
mizzle this is the rumors thread, dom was only making a valid comparison with other manufacturers that have already announced, some have shipped their business oriented products. yet your defending a company who is BLAMING the segment that they need for the near $300,000,000 operating costs loss so far this year.
i think dom has an EXCELLENT point and you sir, need to remove the blinders. this is a serious subject that in fact DOES belong here. There are no rumors about phones that NEED to be released. there is this absurd vacuum of phones from SE from platforms that are 3 years old.
SE has focused on the entirely wrong segment, and in doing so has written a large check for second biggest "L" in the mobile market this year (motorola being the largest)
the fact that SE has decided to abandon (my inference comes from the language used in the press release about their Q2 losses) that the high-end business segment which they failed to innovate in or even release a competent product due to HORRIFIC engineering and planning, was the cause of their losses is asinine. yet for some reason you fear/hate/loathe dissension in a thread that for its part 'HELPED' in the cancellation of paris, because of said dissension, but it was mainly the internet community turning a cold shoulder to a anemic device! which would have been a monumental failure esp with the likes of HTC/Samsung/Nokia all releasing devices that would have placed Paris at the bottom of that very nice barrel, wouldnt have even been close.
if we take a look at the i8510 vs C905 we find that they are very similar yet holistically different, one being a java based platform (poor choice) vs a symbian S60.r3 platform. SE needs to go ahead and forget 2008, i hope that sony stepping in will at least get the engineering team working again, they have had a 18 month vacation.
For all the display tech sony has, its ashame we havent seen that seep into phones for the world market yet. the japanese market doesnt count, only because those phones will never reach outside of said market. they have the tools yet refuse to work on anything new.
im not sure why you want dom to leave, because there are other phones out there that have piqued his interest. however you did prove his point even if you dont see it, this is a rumors thread, and to be an informed consumer he would like to know whats on the horizon, IE RUMORED to come out. yet you would rather him NOT know what SE is doing, and run to the competition ... if i were you id think about what your asking him to do on a larger scale, cuz it sounds like this:
"If you dont like what SE (we) are doing then, go buy from our competition we dont need/want you around, unless your pouring praise."
seriously, you personify the problem with SE.
[ This Message was edited by: my ninja on 2008-09-06 22:41 ]
Posted by Mizzle
You're once again making yourself look a fool. It has NOTHING to do with rumours. Absolutely nothing. Nada. Get it? If not, you'll need someone to define for you what that word means - here, let me help you:
"Rumor: A piece of unverified information of uncertain origin usually spread by word of mouth"
From The Free Dictionary
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/rumor
Now... just how is his "valid comparison" anything close to that? Besides, his ramblings about other manufacturers doesn't belong here either. Neither does your "analysis" of the problem. Once again, that's not a rumour and has nothing to do with it.
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Posted by goldenface
On 2008-09-06 22:58:12, the-flash wrote:
On 2008-09-06 22:16:09, goldenface wrote:
Just imagine for one second. 8.0MP, 8GB internal storage plus 8GB expandable, 80g, 8mm thick. . . .
I'd imagine an 8.0MP camera would be quite bad in such a thin device.
Well, IMO not necessarily. Isn't it the AF and Xenon flash features that adds to the thickness to phones now? Non-AF cams seem to perform quite well in the most recent devices. the W890i seems to have a good cam.
I wouldn't be surprised if Samsung squeezed a non-AF 8.0MP cam into a sub 12mm frame soon.
Posted by my ninja
On 2008-09-06 23:28:22, Mizzle wrote:
You're once again making yourself look a fool. It has NOTHING to do with rumours. Absolutely nothing. Nada. Get it? If not, you'll need someone to define for you what that word means - here, let me help you:
"Rumor: A piece of unverified information of uncertain origin usually spread by word of mouth"
From The Free Dictionary
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/rumor
Now... just how is his "valid comparison" anything close to that? Besides, his ramblings about other manufacturers doesn't belong here either. Neither does your "analysis" of the problem. Once again, that's not a rumour and has nothing to do with it.
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[ This Message was edited by: Mizzle on 2008-09-06 22:35 ]
so to be an ass, this thread shouldnt exist cuz none of the information is spread by word of mouth. i see no audio files in this thread ... not even by you.
i dont make myself look like a fool, you implied that i was one because of the way i responded to your condescension. which is fine, its the internet. but you had a great opportunity to respond like an adult to the issues that i have presented, yet you want to debase my post by calling me a fool and defining rumor.
really, is that helpful? this immaculate thread doesnt need the word rumor defined after 1100 pages ...
how does it belong i explained exactly how, with facts and opinions inferred from said facts. anyone can make a clear case based upon what SE themselves has provided from press releases, that have been linked in this "rumors" thread. there have been MANY announcements made of the past 9 months (10-11 if you count PK and paris jump starting this topic in november of last year). so why is it such a problem, its clearly not off topic, unless your narrow view is the only one we are to hold here?
im not sure why youre so defensive, i was making a point, i was also making the point that you are contributing to SE's problem, instead of being a mini-mod why dont you add something, instead of terrorizing other posters?
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yes i realize the irony that the above post is off topic ... but the initial post i made today was not and should not be discounted.
Posted by Dextrr
On 2008-09-06 23:28:22, Mizzle wrote:
You're once again making yourself look a fool. It has NOTHING to do with rumours. Absolutely nothing. Nada. Get it? If not, you'll need someone to define for you what that word means - here, let me help you:
"Rumor: A piece of unverified information of uncertain origin usually spread by word of mouth"
From The Free Dictionary
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/rumor
Now... just how is his "valid comparison" anything close to that? Besides, his ramblings about other manufacturers doesn't belong here either. Neither does your "analysis" of the problem. Once again, that's not a rumour and has nothing to do with it.
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[ This Message was edited by: Mizzle on 2008-09-06 22:35 ]
A bit emotional eh buddy?!
Back on topic - I haven't been in here for over a month and still nothing, zip, nada, zilch ... Not even a rumor of a decent device. Everything is still being rehashed by SE with old slow chips and hardware. Blehhh!
And please don't tell me to check out W902, C905 or Xperia either ... Boring!
Will check this thread in another month or so but I'm pretty sure it'll be the same old sorry story, again!
Posted by doministry
@myninja
@makbil
Thanks much.
And
@Mizzle
I deeply appreciate your work in terms of rumours and great info you provide.
But don't ever call my questions "rumblings" or whatever, "master",
since questions I ask exactly belong here. 100%, and it's not a holy place.
and 'cos I ask about RUMOURS, right?
P.S. You don't like my posting = don't answer.
Posted by goldenface
Dextrr?
pm
Posted by Dextrr
On 2008-09-06 23:50:59, my ninja wrote:
im not sure why youre so defensive, i was making a point, i was also making the point that you are contributing to SE's problem, instead of being a mini-mod why dont you add something, instead of terrorizing other posters?
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yes i realize the irony that the above post is off topic ... but the initial post i made today was not and should not be discounted.
Don't you know by now, Mizzle et all are the sole reason why SE is still in business. They will buy anything SE throws at them and praise it to no end regardless of any facts.
All you have to do is say "SE rocks" or "SE for President of earth" and Mizzle might come around and be friends with you.
Posted by goldenface
Posted by Mizzle
my ninja,
I'm not going to drag myself down to your level, and answer that post. It's obvious to anybody that complaining about SE's strategy and comparing it to that of others, has nothing to do with rumours. Even my 4-year old cousin would know that.
Dextrr,
Nope, that's just me making a rather obvious point.
... your 2nd post: Yes, that's spot on! What a great post, I must say.
doministry,
I never said your questions don't belong here - often they do, and I also find myself answering them once in a while. What doesn't belong here, however, is the - from some people - endless yappering about why SE doesn't do this and that, and a series of "well-thought" analyses of their problem. Having said that, I don't consider myself having a perfect analysis of the problem, nor do I think I'd be able to do one.
I really don't mind the yappering, just do it in the right places. You don't visit a rumours thread to hear about crying fanboys, nor would you want to visit a nokia forum to read about SE phones.
@gf
Of course, mate
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Posted by goldenface
Cool heads?
Posted by kraakie
hey mizzle
can you say there will by a high end phone come this year or in Q1 2009?
because i like SE and i want to wait for it a little while but only if i know there will come somthing.
please say it.
Posted by Mizzle
On 2008-09-07 00:26:28, kraakie wrote:
hey mizzle
can you say there will by a high end phone come this year or in Q1 2009?
because i like SE and i want to wait for it a little while but only if i know there will come somthing.
please say it.
I know of one for Q2.
Posted by my ninja
thinly veiled my good man, thinly.
saying that my deductions on the state of a company based upon their economic data thus far and projections of future revenue streams, which is in turn based solely on the products the produce, announce, and research, does not belong IN the rumors thread and that a toddler can observe this, is in fact a response and furthermore demeaning. which is the level you so self righteously elevated yourself from in the preceding SENTENCE.
i must also add, that which i havent seen here, i may be mistaken, and it may also appear on a certain set of blogs, but the X1 is destined to make it to market by december, which is good news, if anyone read the article last week saying that it would arrive Q1.
[ This Message was edited by: my ninja on 2008-09-06 23:37 ]
Posted by bodeh6
On 2008-09-07 00:31:43, Mizzle wrote:
I know of one for Q2.
Is it that 10MP monster?
Posted by marty mcfly
Seriously, guys, these arguments are getting really sad. It's like watching a bunch of kids sometimes.
I think we should start another thread for each topic. We could have a Discussion thread, and an All Out, Strip To The Waste, Call Each Other Names, My Dads Bigger Than Your Dad Argument thread.
It's getting silly watching people throw toys out of the pram, and getting aggressive over Mobile Phones. Lets just try and keep some perspective here.
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Posted by goldenface
Eh! Now! Don't fall out you guys! Or else. . .
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Posted by Tigershark42
Ahm, would you all mind too much if I talked about mobile phones instead?
I dont see why everyone acts as if they have no smartphones at all- X1 is a total monster! Cmon, its even on par with the Touch Pro, it uses the best smartphone OS available at this point in time- So what's not to like? Do you want a smartphone or not- there it is, and its awesome. Its not made to your exact requirements because you're 'not used to the OS' or afraid of it because its the real deal. @Doministy: Im hoping that the 'slow X1' youve heard of was just some proto made before the RAM was upgraded to 256MB. But from the video demonstrations Ive seen of it, I would say it is fast.
Posted by kraakie
mizzle what can you say about this whan
http://blog.se-nse.net/2008/0[....]owing-up-on-the-javaone-video/
will it come this year
or is this the whan who comes in Q2
oh and tigershark42 i think you have right.
today i saw the pro and the omnia and i was thinking of whan of these but i will waite for de X1. X1 looks better and properlie the keyboard will be better etc.
Posted by Astral1
Sadly, from what i read, the keyboard is what may let the X1 down most of all. Cant wait to actually try one to see if it suits me, personally.
So, it looks like this thread is about finished for this year, and we should start packing our stuff to go to the 2009 thread.
I think a lot of folk need to go get a coffee, and/or have a cigarette (outside).
It would have been nice to have a final flurry from UIQ, but the rumour mill is either playing its cards close to its chest, or there are no rumours to bring to the table.
I shall wander over to the X1 thread, which is my most anticipated phone, and say tata to those left behind here, feeling let down and dissapointed.
Good luck for 2009, people, and dont forget, theyre only phones!
Posted by doministry
@Tigershark42
Hey, right, X1 is great. But it's NOT here yet. It has a huge delay and nobody really knows when it will be on market.
It's also WM and I'm not sure it's the best OS. It can't handle bigger camera's mpx, so it's not ultimately the best.
Anyway, I was asking about those Hikaro rumours and the Pseries, the device on UiQ etc. What's up wit P?
Or maybe Pseries is dead and Xperia takes it's place? Would be a horrible news, since I see those slide-out qwerty devices abolutely worse in ergonomics.
Posted by famous12
On 2008-09-06 19:13:03, Mizzle wrote:
On 2008-09-06 17:44:06, doministry wrote:
On 2008-09-06 17:36:54, Mizzle wrote:
I still see you here, doministry. If the others are sooooo good, then go for it.
And here you have the exact point!
As much as I don't want to, maybe I will be forced to do it, right? As most makers offer something, at least with HSDPA and some other solutions, I would like to see something from SE, finally!!! As until now we see only X1, in October maybe. You see my point?
No, I don't see any point. I see a lot of crying, no points, and especially not yours. It really can't be that difficult to understand - if something doesn't suit you, use something else, which - in your case - shouldn't be so hard, seeing you've got lots of names of manufacturers who are doing a better job. Just leave, you won't see me getting all emotional about it.
[ This Message was edited by: Mizzle on 2008-09-06 18:16 ]
thats exactly what i am doing
for a change using nokia N81...its not serving bad to be honest ...guess i'm back to a nokia fan boy again
Posted by mazi
So what is the time for Announcement on 8th?
Posted by iva_se
On 2008-09-07 19:42:11, mazi wrote:
So what is the time for Announcement on 8th?
Anyone know this?
Posted by doministry
On 2008-09-07 19:42:11, mazi wrote:
So what is the time for Announcement on 8th?
Or rather 9th.
Posted by ljf881
On 2008-09-07 16:26:58, doministry wrote:
@Tigershark42
Hey, right, X1 is great. But it's NOT here yet. It has a huge delay and nobody really knows when it will be on market.
Hm, SE has always said H2 2008 for X1 and most web shops do have an october date for the X1 in Sweden, so delay isn't here yet. I don't say it will be on time when finally delivered but right now it's not delayed at all...
Posted by Genetix
Elgiganten, one of the biggest shops here in Sweden stated to list new SE phones on its webiste
_____
W302. Expected price 1329 SEK = aprox. 140 EUR. Expected in store date: week 40
http://www.elgiganten.se/is-b[....]oryID=qq_D4QFHmY8AAAEOnr5ZtSw4
W595. Expected price: 2189 SEK = aprox. 220 EUR. Expected in store date: week 40
http://www.elgiganten.se/is-b[....]oryID=qq_D4QFHmY8AAAEOnr5ZtSw4
W902. Expected price: 3895 SEK = aprox. 400 EUR. Expected in store date: week 40
http://www.elgiganten.se/is-b[....]oryID=qq_D4QFHmY8AAAEOnr5ZtSw4
C905. Expected price: 4739 SEK = aprox. 490 EUR. Expected in store date: week 43
http://www.elgiganten.se/is-b[....]oryID=qq_D4QFHmY8AAAEOnr5ZtSw4
Xperia X1. Expected price: 6029 SEK = aprox. 620 EUR. Expected in store date: week 43
http://www.elgiganten.se/is-b[....]oryID=qq_D4QFHmY8AAAEOnr5ZtSw4
Posted by makbil
@doministry (and others
), I have been using a Tytn II lately solely to see if I can take the leap to WM. I will say the last thing first, if SE would release a final decent UIQ3 device, I would get it without a doubt. That's why I'm still hanging around trying to determine from the often purposely misguided rumors whether that will happen.
WM devices are primarily PDAs first with a phone attached whereas Symbian devices are phones with PDA functions and you will feel the difference when you are using them. As far as sound quality and camera performance goes, the P990/P1 is better than Tytn II, however, the latter has a much better integration of all the office and Internet related programs. Oh, did I say that you can find almost any program you want for WM? This is a change from UIQ3...
In the rumors department, I'm really curious if SE has any plans to better integrate all these office & Internet programs - on a non WM device other than X1.
Really, I fail to see how SE hopes to make a living in the WM world,especially when they don't even build the devices themselves...
Posted by badassmam
I agree with Makbil, WM is not friendly at all and the stylus is essential. UIQ is so much easier for simple tasks and still very good for office stuff while WM is excellent for office only.
I think
will continue with UIQ because the P series was unique in that they have UIQ on touchscreen. It is a great alternative to WM. Even the G900 will satisfy your business needs. Now its a case of people wanting a really high spec device.
A little bird told me that there are many designs and protos around for things like Paris, Beibei and Hicaru (he says Hicaru will be a P) but changes are always being made. One interesting thing he did say about the UIQ is that it will have some nice additions like the way you unlock the screen (you draw a shape), he can't tell if it will be a final thing or not. UIQ on the Beibei is ready and running and could be used instead of the updated one.
Sadly for some of you, he said the Nokia N96 is like a gap filling device until the touchscreen device comes and their main priority is to have the highest spec of all devices. Their UI is also looking distinctive, like 'this is obviously a Nokia'.
I hope
gives more UIQ devices because it is the ace up their sleeve. It is something that they should exploit more whether it is W, P or G, I just want to see more.
Posted by djin
So no announcement yet and no x1i webcast:(. Where is the announcement taking place?
Posted by bodeh6
The X1 webcast has been delayed till Sept 15 at 1pm (GMT + 1 / BST).
Posted by djin
oh yeah, forgot about that.
Posted by rizzamarv
I am also looking forward to the x1 but its announced, tested and will soon be released. So not that much of a rumour.... All the questions which have been posted about it in the last two pages have been answered by bengalboy in his review, who has been playing around with it for months:
http://www.bengalboy.com/modu[....]c_id=1107&forum=8&post_id=6593
Really nice read
he also answers any questions you should have, really any, in the following forum.
Cant wait for its release, will definitely be my next phone
[ This Message was edited by: rizzamarv on 2008-09-08 04:19 ]
Posted by doministry
@rizzmarv
Well the Bengalboy is made in disgusting and annoying manner
And not all the questions are answered since it's missing one of the basic - office apps.
@badassmam
That's interesting but looks like a long time to wait?
Posted by rog
On 2008-09-07 19:42:11, mazi wrote:
So what is the time for Announcement on 8th?
No announcement today.
CHeers,
Rog.
Posted by goldenface
Thanks for the info Rog.
Posted by tob!s
Tomorrow is one announcement of G705. No more.
Posted by Phoner
No surprise at all
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Yeah its on the 9th, not the 8th according to Mizzle a few pages back.
Posted by Zuckabaecka
i'm lookin forward to see the G705.
Because it's a G-series-phone it should have some office features like a nice calender. I know that it will have the standard A200-system but there should be a difference cause of it's name. or not?
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
There will be no difference in the calendar or anything like that. It will be bog-standard A2 platform. But it apparently has HSDPA/HSUPA, WiFi and web shortcut keys. So the main point of difference for G-series phones is the web browsing experience.
Posted by Zuckabaecka
okay thx.
in how many colors can I buy it?