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Posted by BoyBawang

On 2008-08-17 22:09:58, idumbakumar wrote:
Sure it will affect the sale. But some of the thing will make x1 better in sales. As it has bigger screen, great video recording, 3.5mm jack, design, full querty. Good battery. Lets see. But could be earlier.


X1 screen is not bigger than touch pro screen. It may be longer but it's width is narrower. It's roughly the same if you compute the area.


Posted by >500
^^^
touch pro is 2.8" vs x1 3" screen. No?

and........ why is the X1 one discussed in rumours thread?

Posted by Klue2k
I guess theres really no news at the moment until closer to September when there is expected to be some more phones being released.

Posted by BoyBawang

On 2008-08-18 04:32:30, >500 wrote:
^^^
touch pro is 2.8" vs x1 3" screen. No?


2.8" vs 3.0" is deceiving between screens that are not the same in proportion.

Imagine a foot tall screen but is as narrow as a needle. Do you consider it bigger??

X1 screen is longer that's why it reaches 3.0" but it's narrower in width so the area is roughly the same as standard 2.8" 4:3 screen.

This is just an intermission topic because it's so quiet here these days

Posted by Astral1
It may have been announced, and be hotly anticipated, but until i see one, or hear someone in a phone shop say, "yes we'll have them in stock next week", or i stop hearing whispers of delays for software fixing, or hardware improvements, etc etc etc. . . . .

X1 to me is still a rumour.

Thanks.

After all the recent SE activities, X1 CAN still be cancelled.
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[ This Message was edited by: Astral1 on 2008-08-18 07:07 ]

Posted by yuunanase
Lets do some maths:

Touch Pro:
2.8^2 = (3X)^2 + (4X)^2
7.84 = 25X^2
0.316 = X^2
X=0.56

Area of Touch Pro = 3X x 4X = 3.792 sqin.

X1:
3^2 = (16y)^2 + (9y)^2
9 = 337y^2
0.0267 = y^2
y = 0.1634

Area of X1 = 16y x 9y = 3.846 sqin.

So X1's screen is larger.

And yes, I am bored.

Posted by doministry

On 2008-08-18 08:51:21, yuunanase wrote:
Lets do some maths:

Touch Pro:
2.8^2 = (3X)^2 + (4X)^2
7.84 = 25X^2
0.316 = X^2
X=0.56

Area of Touch Pro = 3X x 4X = 3.792 sqin.

X1:
3^2 = (16y)^2 + (9y)^2
9 = 337y^2
0.0267 = y^2
y = 0.1634

Area of X1 = 16y x 9y = 3.846 sqin.

So X1's screen is larger.

And yes, I am bored.

Thanks. I agree.
And for me X1 looks 100 times better.

Posted by BoyBawang

On 2008-08-18 08:51:21, yuunanase wrote:
Lets do some maths:

Touch Pro:
2.8^2 = (3X)^2 + (4X)^2
7.84 = 25X^2
0.316 = X^2
X=0.56

Area of Touch Pro = 3X x 4X = 3.792 sqin.

X1:
3^2 = (16y)^2 + (9y)^2
9 = 337y^2
0.0267 = y^2
y = 0.1634

Area of X1 = 16y x 9y = 3.846 sqin.

So X1's screen is larger.

And yes, I am bored.


That's what I meant! practically, 3.792 sqin vs 3.846 sqin are roughly the same.

Back to main topic: It seems no high-end announcement this September?

Posted by makbil
The way I see it, X1 would have a much better chance if SE could release it around the same time as Touch Pro. I'm OK with the specs that are on paper, what I'm worried about is the rumor that the X1 interface will not be ready until Feb. 2009. SE needs to make a good impression this time, another P990 experience will not help them at all. If they wait until the firmware is stable, they will be too late, if they release early they'll be taking a big risk.
Difficult decision to make. On the other hand, Touch Pro which is X1's direct competitor, is ready.
It's not about brand loyalty, I just want to get my money's worth and to be honest I don't have much faith left in SE based on last 2 years events.

Posted by dr.W

On 2008-08-18 08:51:21, yuunanase wrote:
Lets do some maths:

Touch Pro:
2.8^2 = (3X)^2 + (4X)^2
7.84 = 25X^2
0.316 = X^2
X=0.56

Area of Touch Pro = 3X x 4X = 3.792 sqin.

X1:
3^2 = (16y)^2 + (9y)^2
9 = 337y^2
0.0267 = y^2
y = 0.1634

Area of X1 = 16y x 9y = 3.846 sqin.

So X1's screen is larger.

And yes, I am bored.


The X1 is 800x480, that is not 16x9, it is 15x9.

So, the screen area of the x1 is:

9=(15y)^2+(9y)^2
9=306y^2
y^2=.0294
y=.1715

Area=15*.1715+9*0.1715=4.116

Posted by Angello
you have problems...

Posted by dr.W

On 2008-08-18 17:18:25, Angello wrote:
you have problems...


You're not the first to tell me this and you probably won't be the last, at least not as long as my wife is around

Posted by Angello
but now we know how big X1s screen is

Posted by doministry

On 2008-08-18 11:12:17, makbil wrote:
The way I see it, X1 would have a much better chance if SE could release it around the same time as Touch Pro. I'm OK with the specs that are on paper, what I'm worried about is the rumor that the X1 interface will not be ready until Feb. 2009. SE needs to make a good impression this time, another P990 experience will not help them at all. If they wait until the firmware is stable, they will be too late, if they release early they'll be taking a big risk.
Difficult decision to make. On the other hand, Touch Pro which is X1's direct competitor, is ready.
It's not about brand loyalty, I just want to get my money's worth and to be honest I don't have much faith left in SE based on last 2 years events.


Well, with one thing in my mind:
Unfortunately, smartphones developement is not that fast.
Even in Feb 2009 there will be just few really competitive and strong. And all will have flaws. That's my personal view. So, it will be still one of the best choices.
I don't trust HTC so much...

Posted by badassmam
Yo yo yo

Will provide UIQ 3.3 for the G900 as an update? Everything is taking too long to come, any ideas?

Posted by Maximys
'Star Heaven Silver' colour for K770i coming soon.


Posted by xell
Star Heaven Silver is available for some months now, you even blogged about it.

Posted by Pop Lover
I have a picture for W980 appears in White color
i will post it soon

Posted by Pop Lover


Posted by darknoob
White W980

Posted by Yakkaimono
Looks a little bit half-assed to me since it isn't completely white.

Posted by badassmam
I think that maybe a bad idea because, if the outer side is also white how would you see the external display? My guess is that the external screen is black which is why the inner screen is black therefore, it probobly looks crappy. Show us the exterior if you will please.

A full white G900 (like the M600 and blue lights) would be really nice, you can never go wrong with those colours.

[ This Message was edited by: badassmam on 2008-08-18 23:43 ]

Posted by NightBlade
lol, Z555 - Ideal

Posted by my ninja
missing a tier above ideal, called integrated


f**k segmentation, EVERYONE, EVERY nice COMPANY HAS FIGURED THIS OUT EXCEPT moto and SE which are BLEEDING like hypochondriacs ... damn.

i hate stupidity.

anyway i cant wait to see what SE tries next year, because i actually like the K850i (slow though, very slow) it does what its supposed to do ... eventually. they have bought some time in my book, and ill give them another few years, the T610 bought SE a customer, and the K850 has kept me interested for at least another year.

i think ill get the i8510 (innov8) and a c905 just to see how they compare, cuz i am highly interested in both, but neither will be my main comm. device, that will goto the touch pro come next january.

if this thread is dead, i hope that we can start the '09 get the paris train started all over again, so much hype over a fone that never actually materialized, se la vie. it was a fun f**kin' ride!

oli good luck with the 09 thread.

Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Thanks My Ninja. Hopefully that integrated tier you hope for becomes a reality in 2009!

Posted by Maximys

On 2008-08-18 22:55:34, xell wrote:
Star Heaven Silver is available for some months now, you even blogged about it.


Yes. But now this colour comes officially. + Some other new colours of K770i.


Posted by Muhammad-Oli
@Maximys: Can we see these new colours anywhere?

Posted by Maximys
Images coming soon.

Posted by xell
One of them must be pink. We have some images at SE-World about new colours...

K770 pink (rosé):


W910 pink:


Plus tob!s got info about a silver W910.


Posted by xell
Found a larger pic of the W910:



Posted by Muhammad-Oli
I like the W910i's colour scheme. It looks cool. The K770i reminds me of those pink digital cameras that every teenage girl seems to have. I suppose it will appeal...

Cheers for the images!

Posted by domipost
@ Poplover

What is the 3rd imaging phone?? Is it S302 or something we haven't seen yet??

Posted by Tigershark42
Sigh

I don't know about SE anymore. If you look at the INNOV8, look at the beast of a phone you get for your money, I really really like it, and it almost makes me not care that it hasn't got a touchscreen. Photos nearly as good as a DSC, smile shutter, face detection, blink detection, dual LED flash, mechanical shutter, 8 Mpx, VGA recording at 30fps, vast amount of memory, stable OS, nice screen, accelerometer, wifi, dlna, HSDPA, music playing, great video playback capabilities (even divx), 3.5mm jack, TV out, SD expandable memory, metallic body, full web browsing, with flash playback, optical touchpad, Good design, good battery life, there's little else to ask for, its a powerhouse. It hasn't got a touchscreen, but its got everything else. The absolute only thing I actually dislike about it, is that Samsung made it instead of SE. Its sad but I cant see SE catching up with that any time soon. It really puts the C905 to shame, in many ways.

X1 is beaten to market by HTC Touch Diamond and Samsung i9000 Omnia, so the battle for WM is largely lost. Each of these devices match X1 in many ways, even beating it in some respects (e.g. diamond- nicer UI, Opera Mobile 9.5- also nice design, accelerometer, omnia- better camera, similar sort of UI, accelerometer). Besides, X1 seems to have software bugs anyway. Only thing going for it really is brand loyalty and the keyboard.

C905 is beaten by the INNOV8, and will be late to market. Nokia will apparently have another 8Mpx device to compete, so C905 is fighting a losing battle too.

G900 is the best smartphone they have on offer now. It doesnt stand a ghost of a chance against S60 solutions (again, the INNOV8, even the N95 beats it in many ways, N96 will do the same).

So to me, the only category in which SE really shine brighter than all the others is music. Great phones, great accessories, good range. W980 won an award, and rightly so, its a prime example of something SE has done right. Even the low-end Walkman phones do the job well, I think.

Its a shame that SE have lost their innovation, and dont have any standardisation in their models (why is it so hard to implement the miniUSB and 3.5mm jack, like everyone else is doing?) Now they expect me to either get the X1 (too pricey for something with an OS which is soon to be replaced IMO) or wait 'till symbian foundation comes out. Problem is I want a smartphone now...

SE seems to be becoming a jack of all trades, but master of none, not a leader but a follower. All this repetition in their portfolio, but still there is so much left to be desired...

[ This Message was edited by: Tigershark42 on 2008-08-19 15:16 ]

Posted by goldenface

On 2008-08-19 16:11:26, Tigershark42 wrote:
C905 is beaten by the INNOV8, and will be late to market.


Well the C905 is in the same category as the K750i and K800i. Of course it will never be the 'jack of all trades' device that the Innov8 is, it wasn't designed to be, however, about 4 weeks after it is released I bet you will be able to pick up a C905 for 200 - 230 Euros.

I don't understand why people are comparing SE's 8.0MP snapper to the INN0V8 because they are in completely different categories and I reckon the C905 will OUTSELL the INNOV8 by about 10 / 1. It's a great little device.

Anyway, I've been a way for 5 days and have come catching up to do.



Posted by xell

On 2008-08-19 17:09:16, goldenface wrote:
however, about 4 weeks after it is released I bet you will be able to pick up a C905 for 200 - 230 Euros.


No way, at least not here. That would be a drop by 61%. 400-450 (and therefore twice your price) is realistic.

Posted by RedSpiDer
As goldenface said, The C905 from SE and the Samsung INNOV8 are in totally different categories. In my opinion the C905 will be the best non-Smartphone on the market, while the INNOV8 will become the best Smartphone on the market, something like how the N95 was when it was released, from my point of view Nokia would better trash the N96, same thing as N95 only with a fresh design and DVB-H tv support, as it is already surpassed by many other phones and would not be the hit that Nokia probably expect it to be.
Although all that, I still think that SE should really invest in developing better smartphones , they are really losing a big marketshare which is only growing and growing as smartphones become more and more cheaper and easier to use.

Posted by goldenface
@xell

It won't be long before the C905 price drops somewhat, however, people are underestimating the C905. Its a very capable feature phone with an awful lot going for it, WiFi and GPS in a feature phone is almost unheard of.

I'm hoping anyway that the price comes down and I'm positive it will do. In fact I'd be really surprised if one couldn't be found for 250 EUR.

Anyway, back OT, I'm trying to get more info on the Sept announcement.

Posted by technical-expert


it wasn't designed to be, however, about 4 weeks after it is released I bet you will be able to pick up a C905 for 200 - 230 Euros.


, Reserve me one


I don't understand why people are comparing SE's 8.0MP snapper to the INN0V8 because they are in completely different categories


Im sorry to say that u could not understand this simple theory.Both are 8mp camera phones in average user eyes, With a difference of some 100 or so euros between them.Anyone would compare a product to other product before buying one


and I reckon the C905 will OUTSELL the INNOV8 by about 10 / 1. It's a great little device.


This looks like Fanboyish comment, u must have some understanding of market.What did u base ur comment on.Please elaborate

If u have noticed protoype pictures of C905, while the pictures are of Average quality they are not satisfactory.I mean they are not noise free and so on .If u have noticed Gsmarena/Mr photoshoot of Innov8 tWhich looks impressive straight out of box.Which means no waiting of firmware and so on.

We all expected much awaited K850 to be stunner, But too many people had problems with it.Se has always problem releasing less bug free device combined with delayed firmware could cause serious damage to SE C905 sales, if the pictures are not impressive or on par with other 8mpx cam.It could be completely different story.U should consider C905 main Point of sale aspect is 8MP cam, Which means it should provide outstanding image quality compared to other 8mp phones, where 8mp is one of features in the huge list spec sheet like vga recording, symbain os, 3.5mm etc......

Regards
TECHNICAL EXPERT
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Posted by goldenface

On 2008-08-19 17:32:54, technical-expert wrote:
TECHNICAL EXPERT
Technical Advisor, Research Scientist


Hi and welcome to the rumours thread. Interesting that you should pop your head up when you think some 'fanboyism' is going on.

The C905 will drop in price, no doubt about it. The current flagship Cyber-shot is the C902. You can pick one of those up for 200EUR. This quarter will be a rough one for SE but the C905 is a stunner and if you think thats a 'fanboy' point of view thats OK.

The C905 will be a winner, just my opinion.

Posted by Tigershark42
Well, my point is that C905 is a dedicated cameraphone, above all else. INNOV8 is a smartphone multifunction device, above all else. But the INNOV8 outshoots the C905. In the Video department, without question, the Samsung wins. As regards stills, the INNOV8 has been compared to Canon DSC's and there isnt much difference. The C905 isn't quite as good, purple tint aside (which by the way still looks like a problem). INNOV8 is, to me, without question the best smartphone to date. It is also the best cameraphone to date. That second title should go to the C905, but it doesn't.

Posted by se_dude
Btw, prototype pics of the C905 are brilliant.SE have never been good with prototype samples.And since the C905 performs so well for a prototype, i would think it will rock when it releases.the pics shot by SMAPE were great and the innov8 pics are in the same league.I really dont notice any difference,nor will you unless you measure them side by side.

Posted by goldenface
I'm still not convinced the INNOV8 is the phone to die for.

I think the C905 will be the 'most wanted', this time around, and shows SE back on form and gunning for Samsung's grip on the slider market, but hey, its early days yet so who knows.



Posted by Angello
w980 is not white, but silver

Posted by Mizzle
http://stuartbruce.typepad.co[....]m/2008/07/sony-ericsson-a.html

This is big stuff guys, really exciting

Posted by apolloa
Well reading your posts your missing the obvious. The Inov8 is nice but also bigger, Jo Public will pick it up and immediately start prodding the screen only for the sales man to tell you no you have to pull the slider out thus making it even bigger. The sales man will tell you it's a smart phone ad Jo Public will go "You What?" Hence they will look at the smaller and far easier to use and just as feature packed SE. The cameras will be the main selling point for these phones, so people will simply choose the SE because it WILL be easier for them to use and smaller. That's all 90% of phone users will care about.
This is why comparing the 2 just because they have the same camera will never work, Samsung are going after the market where people want a smart phone with everything and will accept the large size. I think the C905 will outsell the Samsung because of the market it's after.

Posted by goldenface
^^100% agree, my thoughts exactly.

BTW as anyone heard from xumdeo? His blog hasn't been updated for a while.

Posted by makbil

On 2008-08-19 18:55:19, Mizzle wrote:
http://stuartbruce.typepad.co[....]m/2008/07/sony-ericsson-a.html
This is big stuff guys, really exciting

They also need a team of good technical advisors to start turning the tide.

Posted by Mizzle
I can assure you this will mean better consumer support / communications.

[ This Message was edited by: Mizzle on 2008-08-19 21:14 ]

Posted by QVGA

On 2008-08-19 20:29:38, apolloa wrote:
Well reading your posts your missing the obvious. The Inov8 is nice but also bigger, Jo Public will pick it up and immediately start prodding the screen only for the sales man to tell you no you have to pull the slider out thus making it even bigger. The sales man will tell you it's a smart phone ad Jo Public will go "You What?" Hence they will look at the smaller and far easier to use and just as feature packed SE. The cameras will be the main selling point for these phones, so people will simply choose the SE because it WILL be easier for them to use and smaller. That's all 90% of phone users will care about.
This is why comparing the 2 just because they have the same camera will never work, Samsung are going after the market where people want a smart phone with everything and will accept the large size. I think the C905 will outsell the Samsung because of the market it's after.

Yes but also know that C905 is a mainstream phone. SE needs it to sell well in order to survive. Its suppose to be their top selling phone just like their previous K series phone.
innovate on the other hand is a almost niche phone and its not suppose to sell bucket loads of.

Posted by idumbakumar
Better they can conduct a survey on what the Customer expecting. SE don't listen to us straight away instead they are going for a counsellor.no longer thats needed just look at esato and keep it as a media supporter as well as counsellor all thats enough.



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