Posted by se_dude
Not really, now that SE is incorporating WIfi and Gps into their feature phones the word smartphone will be a myth. Now only if they put in a document and a pdf reader. There are hardly many people out there who actually install symbian many applications in their phone.Maybe 1%.
Posted by rontysee
On 2008-08-09 06:09:50, se_dude wrote:
Not really, now that SE is incorporating WIfi and Gps into their feature phones the word smartphone will be a myth. Now only if they put in a document and a pdf reader. There are hardly many people out there who actually install symbian many applications in their phone.Maybe 1%.
That is true to a certain extent. But, applications like opera mobile 9.5, core player etc are a must buy these days and they are only possible with smartphones. I know that the gap between feature phones and smartfones is decreasing day by day but uiq3, with its touch screen and simple UI can easily take on s60 and A200. When it comes to high end phones, people would definitely prefer smart phones as they offer more functionality for nearly the same price.
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Posted by Dextrr
On 2008-08-09 06:09:50, se_dude wrote:
Not really, now that SE is incorporating WIfi and Gps into their feature phones the word smartphone will be a myth. Now only if they put in a document and a pdf reader. There are hardly many people out there who actually install symbian many applications in their phone.Maybe 1%.
1%?
Posted by prototype_bo
@ Mizzle
complete respect for the honest and truthful post on SE-NSE. i agree on all the points you have discussed.
couple of questions:
is the C905 good? or will it be a flop like the K850?
furthermore, can we consider the C905 as the start of Dick Komiyama reign?
you can't disclose any inside information (we all understand), but just simple hints: shall we anticipate GOOD models to come end of 2008, and starting 2009? something with a (K750) effect??
thanks again Mizzle,
no no, not done yet..
what is it with eldar these days???
"..Another noteworthy fact about this phone is that while it is still unavailable in Sony Ericsson's price list, many retailers already had a chance to play around with it and didn't come out enthusiastic about it. That's why it's safe to say that the C905 will follow in the footsteps of the K850i... "
extracted from his latest post on mobile-review
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Posted by makbil
On 2008-08-09 02:02:54, apolloa wrote:
@Makbil, So what, that's one phone model, it does not define the entire Nokia or SE range. The N95 was successful to people who probably only ever use 50% of it's features.
You may be right in general. On the other hand, people such as myself use the full capabilities of the phone and we want them to work.
The bottom line is, for the past 2 years SE has been sitting on their backsides doing nothing but paint jobs while the competition kept improving their products. You can't explain this with the amount of resources a company has, it was this same SE that made the K750 and the P900.
Posted by NightBlade
On 2008-08-09 08:05:12, Dextrr wrote:
On 2008-08-09 06:09:50, se_dude wrote:
Not really, now that SE is incorporating WIfi and Gps into their feature phones the word smartphone will be a myth. Now only if they put in a document and a pdf reader. There are hardly many people out there who actually install symbian many applications in their phone.Maybe 1%.
1%?
Make that 4.
Posted by xironghostx
On 2008-08-09 13:15:43, NightBlade wrote:
On 2008-08-09 08:05:12, Dextrr wrote:
On 2008-08-09 06:09:50, se_dude wrote:
Not really, now that SE is incorporating WIfi and Gps into their feature phones the word smartphone will be a myth. Now only if they put in a document and a pdf reader. There are hardly many people out there who actually install symbian many applications in their phone.Maybe 1%.
1%?
Make that 4.
Yeh, screw smartphones. But wait, applestore and iphone is a pretty great success, and people want smartphones. It gives people the chance to choose wich pdf, gps and webbrowser they want to use.
Posted by doministry
Some simple apps installed on feature phones don't make them smartphones, what a bullsh..t.
It's also about RAM, display, qwerty etc. I should be fcuking mad to actually WORK on K850 for instance!
And it goes other way - until smartphones apps will not offer real usability and full, uncompromised potential, only some people will use it.
But once they'll achieve the high level, more people will use it definately.
Posted by patr!ck
iPhone isn't a smartphone. It's a "normal" mobilephone. ;) It was said by Steve Jobs himself... so trust him =)
Posted by doministry
On 2008-08-09 14:37:59, paba92 wrote:
iPhone isn't a smartphone. It's a "normal" mobilephone.
It was said by Steve Jobs himself... so trust him =)
Haha, you made me laugh!
I'd never call stupid iPhone as a smatphone!
And Steve Jobs is the last person I'd trust in my life.
I was referring to some posts above, speaking in general about feature phones.
Posted by se_dude
On 2008-08-09 14:14:04, doministry wrote:
Some simple apps installed on feature phones don't make them smartphones, what a bullsh..t.
It's also about RAM, display, qwerty etc. I should be fcuking mad to actually WORK on K850 for instance!
And it goes other way - until smartphones apps will not offer real usability and full, uncompromised potential, only some people will use it.
But once they'll achieve the high level, more people will use it definately.
RAm?? SE phones are not fast enough.For me it is.Thanx.
Display.SE has the best displays in the market. I dunno waht you are taking about.
Qwerty-Look for the X1,E90 or HTC.
The apps mainly used in smartphones.Document viewer and editor.Core player for playing avi files. I dont see many people using anything more. If SE can incorporate document and avi support to its files.Welll.
Posted by Fanofmodi
Well in my country people buying a nokia dont buy it looking at it as symbian or smartphone. Infact 99% of people dont know what is symbian. They dont even know that they can download something called applications. People are only intrested in games wallpapers and ringtones.
Posted by NightBlade
On 2008-08-09 16:09:59, Fanofmodi wrote:
Well in my country people buying a nokia dont buy it looking at it as symbian or smartphone. Infact 99% of people dont know what is symbian. They dont even know that they can download something called applications. People are only intrested in games wallpapers and ringtones.
Same thing here.
Posted by badassmam
In Eldar's article about the C905, he mentions a 10MP phone for next summer and also says that it should be good. If so, what is the point of the C905? The C905 could have been a good test for
if they did a UIQ version, then make the 10MP phone their flagship. The W960 is excellent as a smartphone as well as a Walkman so why not give it a shot for the Cybershot? If Hicaru gets an 8MP camera, the C905 loses it selling point right. Hicaru could be a tubby bas*ard if it does indeed have an 8MP camera.
Posted by apolloa
A smart phone is one where you can install apps onto it. It uses a more advanced OS. That's about it, feature phones are the same otherwise, but no phone can substitute a laptop.
In regards to the G900 being copy and paste. I should of said the W960? It's the same but smaller with some improvements. Although I believe the CPU is slightly different in the G900, all the other changes make it a much better phone, unless you want QWERTY that is.
And if the iPhone is 'Normal' why did Jobs compare sales figures specifically against the Blackberry when he launched the 3G model? He's an idiot sometimes.
I don't care though as I shall keep my G900 for a long time.
Posted by NightBlade
On 2008-08-09 16:39:51, badassmam wrote:
In Eldar's article about the C905, he mentions a 10MP phone for next summer and also says that it should be good. If so, what is the point of the C905? The C905 could have been a good test for
if they did a UIQ version, then make the 10MP phone their flagship. The W960 is excellent as a smartphone as well as a Walkman so why not give it a shot for the Cybershot? If Hicaru gets an 8MP camera, the C905 loses it selling point right. Hicaru could be a tubby bas*ard if it does indeed have an 8MP camera.
The C905 is SE's imaging flagship for 2008. If and when they release Hecaro, sure, it'll have an 8MP cam. but it'll lack many of the camera-oriented features the C905 has (Face detection, xenon flash etc.).
As for the 10MP phone - well, that'll be next year's flagship.
Posted by doministry
I referred to this:
On 2008-08-09 06:09:50, se_dude wrote:
Not really, now that SE is incorporating WIfi and Gps into their feature phones the word smartphone will be a myth. Now only if they put in a document and a pdf reader. There are hardly many people out there who actually install symbian many applications in their phone.Maybe 1%.
So
On 2008-08-09 15:41:06, se_dude wrote:
On 2008-08-09 14:14:04, doministry wrote:
Some simple apps installed on feature phones don't make them smartphones, what a bullsh..t.
It's also about RAM, display, qwerty etc. I should be fcuking mad to actually WORK on K850 for instance!
And it goes other way - until smartphones apps will not offer real usability and full, uncompromised potential, only some people will use it.
But once they'll achieve the high level, more people will use it definately.
RAm?? SE phones are not fast enough.For me it is.Thanx.
Display.SE has the best displays in the market. I dunno waht you are taking about.
Qwerty-Look for the X1,E90 or HTC.
The apps mainly used in smartphones.Document viewer and editor.Core player for playing avi files. I dont see many people using anything more. If SE can incorporate document and avi support to its files.Welll.
Maybe I was not clear enough: I didn't refer to SE vs other makers,
but generally smartphones vs feature phones, OK?
So yes, SE has great displays.
But no, speed it's not RAM only. It's processor.
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Posted by goldenface
On 2008-08-09 16:39:51, badassmam wrote:
If Hicaru gets an 8MP camera, the C905 loses it selling point right.
Why is that? Did the 2.0mp cam on P990i stop people from buying the K750i?
The C905 is an imaging flagship, not the company flagship. Yes a lot has been made of its 8.0MP cam but really its just following in the footsteps of the K750i, K800i and K850i, which are really not the most expensive phones SE produces.
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Posted by clauf
Just an update on the TM506 flip phone for T-Mobile: it is rumored to be released on September 3.
Posted by djin
Smaertphones are ofcourse better than feature phones...If only se wud add on divx playback,wifi and document reader(including pdf)...then there wudnt be much need of smartphone.
Posted by doministry
On 2008-08-09 22:11:40, djin wrote:
Smaertphones are ofcourse better than feature phones...If only se wud add on divx playback,wifi and document reader(including pdf)...then there wudnt be much need of smartphone.
???
Plus bigger screen, qwerty, touch screen... It's not just that.
Posted by makbil
Some of you guys have way too low expectations. Most of the smartphone users I know do install more applications to their phones, once they are made aware of the capability.
I know I am a minority user but I'm not going to change my views because the majority think otherwise. The mobile device of our time period can't replace a notebook but it is very capable of providing short term solutions as well as managing our personal information.
I really have trouble calling the iPhone a smartphone, imagine a smartphone that does not have the copy/paste function.
Hopefully Mr. "K" can turn things around and SE will come up with a true P990 successor next year.
Posted by Angello
The x1 nearly replaces a notebook
Posted by m.h Croatia
On 2008-08-10 00:21:00, Angello wrote:
The x1 nearly replaces a notebook
LMFAO .
And Playboy can replace sex
Posted by apolloa
hahahahaha, well playboy's cheaper and easier!
But I wouldn't say the X1 can replace a Laptop.
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Posted by djin
On 2008-08-09 22:35:53, doministry wrote:
On 2008-08-09 22:11:40, djin wrote:
Smaertphones are ofcourse better than feature phones...If only se wud add on divx playback,wifi and document reader(including pdf)...then there wudnt be much need of smartphone.
???
Plus bigger screen, qwerty, touch screen... It's not just that.
Ofcourse. The list would go on, as per the user's demands, n thats y se needs to have more(most) of their phones as smart phones.
But yeah, se's feature phones with 2.4" are adequate. But next year onwards they should go for bigger screen.
Posted by apolloa
Well unless SE make phones with complete touch control like the iPhone then they should keep the screens at 2.4 or smaller. Otherwise the phones will be far to big especially if their only feature phones and not smart ones.
Posted by my ninja
you know what i find funny, is that tigershark42 and i share some philosophies ... and with that said, i find that Samsung with its i8510 (innov8) has attempted to do what weve asked for in a feature fone, which is HAVE FEATURES!
what amazes me is the ardent defense by those who wish to force me out by saying go abandon the company that has provided more than any other. which i wont however i will be more harsh as i expect more from a once prominent leader in the mobile handheld market.
its simply amazing that the C905 and the i8510 share many things, except the details which make the samsung stand out ...
stereo speakers, vga recording (+120 fps QVGA) a suitable browser ... just the small details that will come up in comparisons. i need a successor to my k850 that is without question.
what remains to be seen is whether the C905 can compete with the i8510 or vice versa (jack of all trades master of none ... !) so i will probably get both to see for myself.
my tastes have changed since last year and i can see myself moving on to HTC because SE f**k!n refuses to release a competent business/entertainment phone. it seems to me that the new leadership has the right idea ... lets hope they can move forward and create some of the best we expect to see. its sad that sony has this burden to carry because of non forward thinking paranoid leadership ... that became a self fulfulling prophecy.
i want an SE phone that throws caution to the wind and well innovates, too bad it came from Samsung ... sad day indeed.
Posted by micks2005
Hi Guys,
Features to arrive in next yr releases from SE.
1.) Optical zoom
2.) Video rec. (VGA +)
3.) 16.4 million color display (Bravia screen)
4.) New OS (Java Platform A300)
So for next yr expect alot of good stuff from SE.
Ciao.
[ This Message was edited by: micks2005 on 2008-08-10 04:46 ]
Posted by clauf
On 2008-08-10 04:53:53, my ninja wrote:
you know what i find funny, is that tigershark42 and i share some philosophies ... and with that said, i find that Samsung with its i8510 (innov8) has attempted to do what weve asked for in a feature fone, which is HAVE FEATURES!
I wouldn't consider INNOV8 to be a feature phone... it has Symbian.
Posted by rss_ndrsn
On 2008-08-10 05:40:03, micks2005 wrote:
Hi Guys,
Features to arrive in next yr releases from SE.
1.) Optical zoom
2.) Video rec. (VGA +)
3.) 16.4 million color display (Bravia screen)
4.) New OS (Java Platform A300)
So for next yr expect alot of good stuff from SE.
Ciao.
[ This Message was edited by: micks2005 on 2008-08-10 04:46 ]
You forgot to add this line to your post:
"If everything goes as planned!"
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Posted by rontysee
Good, SE is doing something to improve their phones. But, i wish they are working on the next gen hardware because there is no point adding more features if the hardware cant deliver.
Posted by aasimtom
On 2008-08-10 09:01:21, rontysee wrote:
Good, SE is doing something to improve their phones. But, i wish they are working on the next gen hardware because there is no point adding more features if the hardware cant deliver.
But why would they add more features if the hardware cannot deliver. They add feature/s according to the efficiency of hardware.
Posted by rontysee
That's because i've already experienced it with p990. It had all the features anybody could think of at that time but the hardware just didn't deliver. Lack of RAM made multitasking impossible. Processor was too weak to handle bigger images, pdf files, word documents above 1 mb and high quality videos. Nokia's current hardware handles all this with ease while SE still struggles as the hardware hasn't changed in the past 2 years. For eg, Adding 16m colours increases the load on the processor. While nokia and samsung are aiming for hd videos next year, SE finally goes to vga. At present, only xperia is the phone from SE that truely has all the power in its hood. So, i wish for more phones on x1's hardware or better as anything weaker simply wont deliver.
Posted by makbil
Is the Bravia a touch screen?
All other features aside, I wouldn't settle for any screen size smaller than 2.8" on a smart phone. I hope that SE can get back to at least P990's screen size.
Posted by apolloa
On 2008-08-10 10:28:24, rontysee wrote:
That's because i've already experienced it with p990. It had all the features anybody could think of at that time but the hardware just didn't deliver. Lack of RAM made multitasking impossible. Processor was too weak to handle bigger images, pdf files, word documents above 1 mb and high quality videos. Nokia's current hardware handles all this with ease while SE still struggles as the hardware hasn't changed in the past 2 years. For eg, Adding 16m colours increases the load on the processor. While nokia and samsung are aiming for hd videos next year, SE finally goes to vga. At present, only xperia is the phone from SE that truely has all the power in its hood. So, i wish for more phones on x1's hardware or better as anything weaker simply wont deliver.
The G900 and G700 have slightly different processors, they run much better to. As for the screens, no one has made a 16mil touch screen for a phone so don't blame SE. If they have prove it. And what the hell do you mean HD? What do you think you'll get? 720P on a mobile phone screen? Which is a: impossible and b: an utter waste of time as you won't see any difference or be able to read anything on the screen.
And more colours means less battery life. And then after all the complaining of SE's screens you say the X1 is best hardware platform, and it has a 65k colour screen?
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
I think Nokia's touch screen 'tube' phone or whatever it's called has a 16 million colour touch screen. So somebody has made one... I spose we'll see what that's like very soon.
Posted by Sony α
Well, I'd rather it be Nokia, than S'Sung...
@Makbil
No, neither the SO903itv, or SO906i are Touch devices...The 906i, however, features the XMB, like A200 - but more PS3/PSP Stylised.
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Posted by Sony α
'SEMCJ are working on a lot of phones destined for the EU'
This has to be the best news of the year, so far - definately up there with the C905 announcement - which may I add, as you all know - was known as 'Shiho'...
'Shiho' is a chain of events in Soto Zen Buddhism (Japan)...whereby a Priest receives full Ordination and given the power, to transmit lineage to those that follow....
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Posted by Angello
X1 can nearly replace the EEE PC
Posted by Phoner
On 2008-08-10 13:13:38, Angello wrote:
X1 can nearly replace the EEE PC
Having used EEEPC I could agree to that
Posted by rontysee
On 2008-08-10 11:35:42, apolloa wrote:
On 2008-08-10 10:28:24, rontysee wrote:
That's because i've already experienced it with p990. It had all the features anybody could think of at that time but the hardware just didn't deliver. Lack of RAM made multitasking impossible. Processor was too weak to handle bigger images, pdf files, word documents above 1 mb and high quality videos. Nokia's current hardware handles all this with ease while SE still struggles as the hardware hasn't changed in the past 2 years. For eg, Adding 16m colours increases the load on the processor. While nokia and samsung are aiming for hd videos next year, SE finally goes to vga. At present, only xperia is the phone from SE that truely has all the power in its hood. So, i wish for more phones on x1's hardware or better as anything weaker simply wont deliver.
The G900 and G700 have slightly different processors, they run much better to. As for the screens, no one has made a 16mil touch screen for a phone so don't blame SE. If they have prove it. And what the hell do you mean HD? What do you think you'll get? 720P on a mobile phone screen? Which is a: impossible and b: an utter waste of time as you won't see any difference or be able to read anything on the screen.
And more colours means less battery life. And then after all the complaining of SE's screens you say the X1 is best hardware platform, and it has a 65k colour screen?
Hey, u r getting me wrong man. G900 has a different processor but still is no match to nokia. SE is quite behind in terms of processor and 3d acceleration. By HD, i mean video recording. A screen resolution beyond that of xperia is just a waste as the details cant be seen with the naked eye. I praise xperia for its excellent processor and RAM. SE's current displays are excellent and top notch. I was giving an example based on previous posts of what is to come from SE nxt year. For me, SE's 262k colours are similar to nokia's 16m colours. I just cant notice any difference. My point was that the processor needs to be improved upon for providing 16m colours or it will result in less battery life and laggy performance. Btw, iphone is a 16m colours touch screen phone. I want SE to bounce back and according to me, they are going on a right path these days.
Posted by iva_se
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Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Before anyone comments on the above post. The poor guy lives in Georgia which is being invaded by Russia, so have a bit of thought in what you post eh?
Posted by NightBlade
Ugh, right. Does this have anything to do with the fact that they're bombarding Georgia?
This is hardly the place for that kind of a discussion, though.
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Yes, true, it wasn't exactly the right place for it, but then this thread is already well off topic.
Posted by xell
But still related to SE issues. Let's keep politics out.
Posted by xenia
То, что происходит просто ужасно, но вы своего президента остановите, а то он у вас больной на всю голову. Нахрена он влез в такую драку уму непостижимо просто.
Sorry for offtopic/
Posted by rustam07
@ iva_se
You should to stop your crazy president, not Russia
Posted by djin
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Sorry i cant. But hopefully the(good for nothin) UN stops it.