Posted by gola
On 2008-08-03 16:02:49, dandyqb wrote:
the next 8mp king!
http://www.smape.com/en/revie[....]ny_Ericsson_C905_cam-prev.html
"SE are going to implement a different and better camera..."
I don't understand how they can have the final version of the C905 before the i8510 even though the i8510 will be released before the C905
Posted by se_dude
"the final version of the C905 camera, running the latest firmware available."
Well, its a Sony sensor and they have decided upon it. So, i guess thats what they meant with the final version of the camera.
Posted by prototype_bo
as Eldar mentioned in his (arm race) topic, it is a Samsung CMOS sensor.
the difference is in the algorithm.
http://www.smape.com/en/revie[....]ny_Ericsson_C905_cam-prev.html
judging from these pics found on this website, the camera prowess looks promising
[ This Message was edited by: prototype_bo on 2008-08-03 20:06 ]
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
On 2008-08-03 20:59:59, prototype_bo wrote:
as Eldar mentioned in his (arm race) topic, it is a Samsung CMOS sensor.
the difference is in the algorithm.
No, Eldar had an earlier prototype with the Samsung sensor, and he should not have been judging the phone on it. Just one of the mistakes he has made lately. The later prototypes have the Sony sensor.
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[ This Message was edited by: Muhammad-Oli on 2008-08-04 00:52 ]
Posted by titus1
The "Aug 2" post on the front page had been scrapped off. Does that mean that the leaked photo of Hecaru is a hoax? And no announcement anyday soon? Because if there is, USEB should have a "teaser".
[ This Message was edited by: titus1 on 2008-08-04 01:13 ]
Posted by T-mobile
On 2008-08-03 20:01:58, rustam07 wrote:
Guys, where is announcement will be?
At the Dreamland, 7th floor.
Posted by kreacher
On 2008-08-04 01:52:02, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
No, Eldar had an earlier prototype with the Samsung sensor, and he should not have been judging the phone on it. Just one of the mistakes he has made lately. The later prototypes have the Sony sensor.
I really really doubt that something so integral as the sensor in a camera phone would totally change from a prototype to a final product.
Posted by kreacher
On 2008-08-04 01:52:02, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
No, Eldar had an earlier prototype with the Samsung sensor, and he should not have been judging the phone on it. Just one of the mistakes he has made lately. The later prototypes have the Sony sensor.
I really really doubt that something so integral as the sensor in a camera phone would totally change from a prototype to a final product.
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
On 2008-08-04 06:31:52, kreacher wrote:
On 2008-08-04 01:52:02, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
No, Eldar had an earlier prototype with the Samsung sensor, and he should not have been judging the phone on it. Just one of the mistakes he has made lately. The later prototypes have the Sony sensor.
I really really doubt that something so integral as the sensor in a camera phone would totally change from a prototype to a final product.
Well Smape, among others, has confirmed it. The reason it may have changed may simply be that Sony's sensor wasn't ready for a while or something like that.
Posted by moogoo
shouldn't all this talk about the C905 be taken to its respective thread? It's no longer a rumor phone right?
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Yeah, moogoo is right. Lets stick to rumour here.
Posted by my ninja
think of it as running a test mule, much like car manufacturers will use the body of another car (even sometimes from a different company) to test the performance of their own chassis/engines/etc parts of there vehicles. its done in other industries, it may not be the first its been done here either.
its not so far fetched where i wouldnt believe it. but lets wait on a more official statement.
Posted by alex_on
we supposed to see somthing on monday ... so..?
[ This Message was edited by: alex_on on 2008-08-04 07:53 ]
Posted by BoyBawang
On 2008-08-01 16:33:27, Mizzle wrote:
We'll see something on Monday.
Today is Monday! Where are you Mizzle?
Posted by >500
ah. how many hours are there in a day? i dont think all 24 of them have passed yet. so that means, its still monday, and there is still time for mizzle to post. be patient.
Posted by iva_se
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Posted by Hiron
I see many contradiction here...
Look at Smape's Prev Here.
Smape CLAIMS that they has latest C905 with final cam module from Sony, but they don't even mention Exmor.
Look at this C905 SAMPLES from Smape.
100% Crop of Smape's C905 (R1AA081):
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Then, visit mobil.idnes.cz
THIS site has a NEWER C905 proto than Smape (The EXIF told us), and this site CLAIMS that their protos using Sony CMOS Exmor Sensor.
Few highlights from mobil.idnes.cz:
"When compared to any dslr,like the a200, the C905 falls flat to the ground- afterall, the chip doesn't MAKE the pictures, the optics do"
"the results still haven't reached the quality we expected- the pictures are pale and a bit foggy. As of now the C905 also has troubles in bright light-the pic gets overburned-usually more towards it's center. And yes - purple fringing is here to stay."
"BUT take a look at the comparison pics taken by coleague c902- the c905 has a vast amount of more details- this must be caused by the chip, beecause the megapixel jump wasn't that prominent. Digital noise is still at large with the c905, but much less than with the c902, so the c905 keeps more details."
"SE has about 2 months to queak this model- fixing color reproduction and hopefully the fogginess aswell, but we can already state that the c905 has a great chance of becoming the best cameraphone to date."
Look at this C905 SAMPLES from mobil.idnes.cz.
100% Crop of newer C905 from mobil.idnes.cz (R1AA083):
Worse image in newer firmware? Purple fringing exists? Hmm... Smape's older proto is better...
All I can say, both of the sites still has OLD C905, but it's still newer than early proto.
Why? C905 newer protos has newer firmware revision (R1BA0xx), and also including geotagging in their EXIF... Both of the sites brought old EXIF.
This non-sense claim makes me confused...
And yeah, why SE doesn't learn from K850's mistake by adding two-layer lens? Although the 2nd layer is a mineral glass for protective purposes, it still would make Lens problem (if you has the protos, you know what I'm talking about.)
K800 has one-layer for focusing, that would give huge advantages. Just look at purple-fringing that C905 has.
And for comparison, see Innov8 samples HERE.
100% Crop:
Who is the winner? Too many rumours around. Please someone makes clear about the cam modules C905 used.
Hiron
[ This Message was edited by: Hiron on 2008-08-04 08:41 ]
Posted by >500
the c905 or innov8 are not rumours.
please post any discussions on either phone in their respective threads or create a thread comparing their photo quality.
this is not the place. people come here to read rumours. not info on already released phones
ta
Posted by moogoo
Hiron... take it to the C905 thread please. we're here for RUMORS.. not discussion of an announced phone.
Posted by Hiron
I'm sorry. My bad. I just wrote my response from these post in this topic, several page ago:
On 2008-08-03 20:28:30, gola wrote:
On 2008-08-03 16:02:49, dandyqb wrote:
the next 8mp king!
http://www.smape.com/en/revie[....]ny_Ericsson_C905_cam-prev.html
"SE are going to implement a different and better camera..."
I don't understand how they can have the final version of the C905 before the i8510 even though the i8510 will be released before the C905
On 2008-08-03 20:59:59, prototype_bo wrote:
as Eldar mentioned in his (arm race) topic, it is a Samsung CMOS sensor.
the difference is in the algorithm.
http://www.smape.com/en/revie[....]ny_Ericsson_C905_cam-prev.html
judging from these pics found on this website, the camera prowess looks promising
[ This Message was edited by: prototype_bo on 2008-08-03 20:06 ]
On 2008-08-04 07:06:22, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
On 2008-08-04 06:31:52, kreacher wrote:
On 2008-08-04 01:52:02, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
No, Eldar had an earlier prototype with the Samsung sensor, and he should not have been judging the phone on it. Just one of the mistakes he has made lately. The later prototypes have the Sony sensor.
I really really doubt that something so integral as the sensor in a camera phone would totally change from a prototype to a final product.
Well Smape, among others, has confirmed it. The reason it may have changed may simply be that Sony's sensor wasn't ready for a while or something like that.
By the way, the cam module used is still rumours, isn't it?
EDIT: Now I has been posted in respective topic. I'm sorry.
Hiron
[ This Message was edited by: Hiron on 2008-08-04 08:33 ]
Posted by BoyBawang
On 2008-08-04 09:14:21, >500 wrote:
ah. how many hours are there in a day? i dont think all 24 of them have passed yet. so that means, its still monday, and there is still time for mizzle to post. be patient.
Yeah! Mizzle is probably busy shooting the right angles and some youtube stuffs
Posted by Mizzle
Oh will you take it easy, there's absolutely nothing to freak out about.
Posted by Pop Lover
On 2008-08-03 12:19:50, Pop Lover wrote:
On 2008-08-03 12:05:48, titus1 wrote:
I hope by tomorrow somebody here will going to put a smile to everyone's face.
I knew one and it's seem not a big deal
ahm ahm
[ This Message was edited by: Pop Lover on 2008-08-04 08:44 ]
Posted by rraz9228
On 2008-08-04 09:38:51, Mizzle wrote:
Oh will you take it easy, there's absolutely nothing to freak out about.
Are you trying to say that there is nothing special about the phone you will show us today?
Posted by >500
^
Precisely
Posted by Mizzle
Guys, I am NOT going to show you anything. If it goes by plan, SE will be the ones showing you something. And no, it's not that exciting. I never said it would be, you were the ones creating the hype, again.
Posted by tob!s
Today you will see a low-end phone.
Posted by Phoner
Posted by Mizzle
On 2008-08-04 09:49:33, tob!s wrote:
Today you will see a low-end phone.
BS.
Posted by Tigershark42
Sigh. People believe things before they see the slightest shred of evidence that it even exists. So what next? The flying spaghetti monster, probably...
But anyway, I actually thought today they would probably announce that line of digital photo frames Eldar was talking about in a SE-NSE post. It isnt all that relevant to me, so I'm indifferent. But it would make sense because that isnt really anything so exciting as a high end phone, nor is it a low end phone
Posted by kura998
I agree with Mizzle... We would not see anything interesting today...
Posted by lapinou
http://www.sonyericsson.com/c[....]ails/sonyericssonbond-20080804
God it sucks...
WE WANT WIDESCREENED KE-TAIS... NOT STUPID RENDITIONS OF CRAPY PHONES...
Posted by Tigershark42
Is that all!?!?!????
Posted by Mizzle
Yep, that was it.
Posted by Phoner
@Tigershark: I suppose so.
[ This Message was edited by: Phoner on 2008-08-04 09:16 ]
Posted by >500
no one said there would be a high end announcement today.
how many announcements do you expect
to hold?
many of you members create the hype. you disappoint yourselves.
Posted by lapinou
Is SE suffering from diarrhea? It poops crap like no one else does... Or are they simply trying to figure out the best way to commit suicide?
I'm so done with them... X1 is the only decent phone of the year IMO...
Posted by Phoner
Please do not say that the moaning will start again...
Posted by prototype_bo
the hype around a rumoured launch of new handsets, stems from the passion SE users share. but i think the major models have already been announced. there might be couple of mid to low end models and that's it for this year. SE (( might )) unveil a solid model, but i am definitely positive it will be released in 1st q 2009.
Dick has already taken control of the joint venture steering wheel, but the effects will appear only from beginning of 2009.
PS: any idea, what is the model that signaled the start of Dick reign?
Posted by iqtidar
remember what i said? i said no announcement. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Posted by xell
Which is wrong as
technically announced the C902 Titanium Silver. I wouldn't be so proud of false statements.
Posted by oddie k750
Wait till '09? What about Christmas?!?(please Santa)
Well we have a:
top end walkman feature phone (w902)
flagship cybershot phone(c905)
flagship smartphone(x1)
What we haven't seen is:
1.flagship symbian walkman(expected)
2.high-end symbian P(hoped)
3.touch-screen cybershot(rumoured)
^Is there a chance we could hold(not only see)any of these phones by the end of the year?
OS-
Do any of you have any pics of the OO7 c902? Nothing on the
website... [ This Message was edited by: oddie k750 on 2008-08-04 10:28 ]
Posted by the-flash
No one said that SE will announce new phones today, just that we will see something today. However there should be new phones announced this month if rumours turn out to be true.
Posted by Vaynard
This is funny
Posted by titus1
On 2008-08-04 11:35:52, Vaynard wrote:
This is funny
Way funny.
Posted by iqtidar
no new phone. same phone with a new colour variant.
Posted by doministry
So SE still does not bring a P1 successor, although it's really over a year since it was revealed/launched.
Are we waiting for a next highend on UiQ?? It seems X1 still holds this "function" in SE portfolio.
Posted by jayce
To be fair, a lot of people were saying that today's announcement wouldn't be that interesting, so it's not surprising to see a James Bond tie in with an existing phone.
Having said that, it would be a miracle to go from Paris cancellation to Hikaro announcement within a couple of months and judging from Sony Ericsson's track record with the P series since the P990, that's one miracle that was never going to happen.
Still we have 5 months left in the year
Posted by patr!ck
wow... 5 months. what are 5 months, when se need a long time to release a phone? oO cya next year. it's boring!
Posted by prototype_bo
bond using a sony ericsson phone. as if no one saw that coming.
cm'on guys, product placement is a marketing measure sought by all companies, so what if you happen to have a free access to movies released by (columbia pictures - Sony pictures)??
PS: i have encountered a person (an SE employee) holding a beibei in a coffee shop. i'll tell you more when i come back
[ This Message was edited by: prototype_bo on 2008-08-04 12:52 ]