The All New Sony Ericsson Portfolio for 2008

Posted by razec

On 2007-10-26 03:34:33, kEiThZ wrote:

90% of people are looking for the phone to perform certain functions...such as communicate (calls, text, etc.) and enjoy media (music, video, internet). Apple's success was being able to deliver a product that met those needs and then some. Most people dont care about an OS and dont want or need one. Thats the reason the iphone is successful.

But this is also exactly where SE can excel. SE has brand recognition in Walkman and Cyber-Shot and they should use it!

SE should release a touchscreen Walkman but one up Apple by making it quadband EDGE, Triband HSPA, possibly add 802.11n, skip a complicated OS and utilize a flash OS a la Prada phone, add a decent 3.2MP autofocus camera. Bundle that with a 4GB-8GB card and sell it for less than 400 bucks. Plus, because its not the Jesus Phone, carriers will be able to subsidize it. SE will rule the roost!

Oh my, you are indirectly saying that iphone can perform most functions current SE and Nokia offerings can? in fact iPhone lacks most functions seen on current mobile phones today and the biggest gripe would be the need for itunes just to delete phonebook, to store music, and blah blah

Another thing was that with tremendous marketing, advertisements and the famous Apple logo. iPhone has been a successful market hit. not because of those functions you are mentioning mate.

And likewise for the Cybershot line, which should have dedicated cam buttons, xenon flash, and have the look and feel of a camera!

So you say SE did not yet did this with K850?

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[ This Message was edited by: razec on 2007-10-26 03:01 ]

Posted by kenx3000
@ intelegent115

Think the other way. Is the other companies just trying to show that "We can make what you can too!"? That should answer your question. Look at Japanese market. I don't see and SUPER big screens there. Its the quality that counts, not size.

@ kEiThZ

You should go read MR's review of the iPhone. It contradicts you in every way. They TRIED to answer all questions, but they didn't do so well since a lot of even the simple functions are missing. They have the broad functions, but when it comes to specific details in handling those functions, iPhone failed miserably. Also iPhone runs on an OS so people DID care of their OSX.

iPhone is only successful based on marketing that iPod's and Mac's had laid. The design is also sleek and distinct, but that is all there is to it. Nothing more. If you don't believe me, then read MR's review.

All the things you list are all imaginations that only YOU want. If SE is crazy enough to put those in, then they just committed suicide. Marketing is not just cramming all the functions into the phone. It must be used effectively and uniquely. They need to look at the price and also the demand of those functions. So just be happy with whatever SE will have in stock for us in November, because they should already analyzed what is necessary to compete against the others. All I know is it's nothing of what you desired.

I think Miles Flint already put up a great range of products to expand from, and starting November, we should see a good deal of products with different target ranges. If there's more range to the product then the cheaper the price will be.

[ This Message was edited by: kenx3000 on 2007-10-26 05:25 ]

Posted by kEiThZ
Dont get me wrong guys. I have been an SE fan since I bought a W800i and presently use a K790a.

I do think the iPhone is hype. That being said, that doesnt mean other OEM's cant learn a thing or two from Apple. Nothing I am asking for is suicide. A lot of the features I am asking for are already in SE phones or planned for the 2008 lineup. I am saying that SE can do a much better job with the interface.

@Kenx3000
I dont think for the average Joe (at least here in Canada and the US) that they can even tell the difference between a phone that has an OS and one that does not. They want to see the spark and dazzle. So why cant SE just deliver on that? There is no need for a full OS with all sorts of additional functionality. Just need an OS that does what most users want.

@razec
I absolutely agree that the K850 is a step up. I am hoping they keep it that way. A lot of people comment when they see my K790a that its like a camera. This i exactly what SE should be going for WITH EVERY CYBERSHOT MODEL not just their high ender.

WRT iPhone
I drew up the iPhone comparison to make a point about what the public wants. Yes, arguments can be made that it was all cause of the marketing, etc. But that does not negate the innovation that they have brought.
In North America most people buy phones locked from their carrier. And they tend to sell low end phones that can go for free with a contract. For example can you believe that Rogers in Canada is selling a K790a at CAD229 before tax, locked with a 2-year contract? And thats their highest SE model. Compared to these offerings the iPhone is a god-send. Now you can see why its doing well. And at $400 for 8GB, despite all its lockdown, its a good deal for the average consumer. Imagine if SE's offering can have better features and be subsidized below 400 bucks. I am deeply worried that other OEM's are not cognizant to where the consumer and the market are heading on this continent. North Americans maybe slow to embrace technology but when they do....they come on strong! I want SE to start competing!

Posted by dancingfate
Official pic of K205a :

Posted by SilveR.
that budget phone looks good..

Posted by NightBlade
Yeah...

Posted by kenx3000
@ kEiThZ

Look at what you're asking and the price you're also asking for. Think the slightest possibility of it being real by SE.

The OS sure doesn't play the most important role, but it still does. If you do say it's not important for OS, then why Flash OS? Isn't what we have already good enough to integrate both Java and Flash? All comes down to how well UIQ will perform in this near future.

iPhone is indeed innovative, but it's still ONLY innovative in design and the finger-usage. There's nothing different in other matter. Yet again, if it comes to details, it's way behind competitors.

OEM could learn from Apple by advertising! That is it, because I can't even remember when was the last time I've seen Nokia's or even SE's commercial unlike Apple that comes up about once every minute(exaggerating). I think most of the OEM's design are in a good range which includes variety for the users to pick, so just the usage part that has to be revamped(Touch screen or whatever).

I just don't think it's a good idea for SE to rush this. Right now Nokia is controlling the pace and if SE brings out the wrong stuff at the wrong time, it'll be just like falling into a trap. I would give them some time to study the pace and catch up later. It's never too late. If SE does decide to rush then we should've seen Playstation phones or Bravia phones a while ago in GSM market, but no, they are aiming those at a better time interval where the market will be ready to use these kinds of phones.

Posted by DarkKrypt
just type in google 'iphone sucks' and then view the 5/10/15 reasons why it sucks

nice phone..but plug into itunes to delete contacts fcuk sakes

Posted by sealover94
See the video too...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbNWtwiJHes

:D:D

Come on SE you can beat apple...

Posted by m-one
Some great new pics of the W890i.
http://se-center.pl/articles.php?id=25
It will also come in black

[ This Message was edited by: m-one on 2007-10-26 23:55 ]

Posted by xell
Sorry mate...

http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=157811

Posted by rss_ndrsn

On 2007-10-27 01:06:07, Xellar wrote:
Sorry mate...

http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=157811

No 3.5mm jack again! Geez.......

Does anybody know if UIQ phones for next year will have internet browser with flash support?

[ This Message was edited by: rss_ndrsn on 2007-10-27 00:37 ]

Posted by NightBlade

On 2007-10-27 01:35:52, rss_ndrsn wrote:

On 2007-10-27 01:06:07, Xellar wrote:
Sorry mate...

http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=157811

No 3.5mm jack again! Geez.......

Does anybody know if UIQ phones for next year will have internet browser with flash support?

[ This Message was edited by: rss_ndrsn on 2007-10-27 00:37 ]

The handsfree that come with walkman phones have a 3.5mm jack adapter...

Posted by SilveR.
But you still can use what headphones you want with 3.5mm with the Hpm75 or Hpm90

Posted by NightBlade
BTW, goldenface, nice job with the front page! I just have one complaint, though:
Make it more coloury. Those pale blue and grey tones are a bit depressing (metaphorically said).

Posted by rss_ndrsn

The handsfree that come with walkman phones have a 3.5mm jack adapter...

Of course I know that! What I meant is that, the 3.5 jack is not built-in. I just don't like long cord attached to my phone.

I hope SE's ultra high-end phones for next will have the 3.5mm jack built-in.

Posted by NightBlade
I don't care, really (whether a phone has 3.5mm jack). I always use the in-box headsets.

[ This Message was edited by: NightBlade on 2007-10-27 01:56 ]

Posted by rss_ndrsn

On 2007-10-27 02:34:34, NightBlade wrote:
I don't care, really. I always use the in-box headsets.

Who cares anyway if you always use the headset included in the package.

[ This Message was edited by: rss_ndrsn on 2007-10-27 01:49 ]

Posted by NightBlade
Talk about rude. It was just a personal remark.
So, all of a sudden, I have no freedom of speech, is that correct?

[ This Message was edited by: NightBlade on 2007-10-27 01:55 ]

Posted by rss_ndrsn

On 2007-10-27 02:49:51, NightBlade wrote:
That's why I used the pronoun "I".

It doesn't make any sense. You can use any pronoun you want. Nobody give a damn s***.

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another question, Will SE use haptics technology for their touchscreen phones next year?

Posted by m-one
I think I'm not the only one who would appreciate this kind of discussion being
stopped.

@Xellar

Sorry, I didn't expect it in the "General" section. I guess it's still a rumor, isn't it?

Posted by xell
I guess not for so long anymore.

Hm... Two and a half weeks, is that correct?

Posted by iqtidar
i thought it was 15th nov?

Posted by xell
Isn't this *about* 2 1/2 weeks?

Posted by C905

On 2007-10-27 02:18:02, rss_ndrsn wrote:

The handsfree that come with walkman phones have a 3.5mm jack adapter...

who cares about that you want a 3.5 mm jack buit-in, just like you said it to nightblade

Posted by icaka

On 2007-10-27 02:18:02, rss_ndrsn wrote:
...SE's ultra high-end phones...

You wish.

Posted by fumi_moon

On 2007-10-27 11:48:26, Xellar wrote:
Isn't this *about* 2 1/2 weeks?

Actually it's an announcement on the 6 of november, ofcourse, it's only for walkman products, but anyway

Posted by thomas93
Maybe its a w810/w610i replacement with 3.2mp camera 2.2" screen and 3.5mm jack?? I think something like that would be a big seller.

Posted by m.h Croatia
Yes, it would be indeed a true bestseller.
SE didn`t had a "Walkman flagship non-smartphone candybar" for a long time

Posted by Maximys
K205a on Corporate site: http://www.sonyericsson.com/s[....]1_1_1&zone=pp&lm=pp1&pid=11389
K205 Phone Simulator: http://www.sonyericsson.com/t[....]k205/content.htm?window=i-frame

Posted by thomas93
i wonder if it's to counter the express music from nokia.

(or a PSP gaming platform????)

Posted by NightBlade
W910 demo:
http://www.sonyericsson.com/t[....]910/content.htm?window=i-frame

It isn't present over at SE's website, but I found it by editing the link.

Apparently, there' a new Try the Phone layout, which also gives you help/explanation regarding the phone's features.

[ This Message was edited by: NightBlade on 2007-10-27 15:38 ]

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Posted by Staska

On 2007-10-27 00:55:04, m-one wrote:
Some great new pics of the W890i.
http://se-center.pl/articles.php?id=25
It will also come in black

[ This Message was edited by: m-one on 2007-10-26 23:55 ]

And here's what I was able to read from that:

http://www.unwiredview.com/20[....]n-w890i-review-done-in-poland/

I already knew W890 was a great phone. Even tried to buy it....

But the real surprise was the TV tuner. Do you think it's for real?

Posted by deasine
well it did say TV on many of the other pictures and I really hope that's the case... Sony Ericsson needs to win back by focusing on entertainment! =D

Does anyone know any new news about MicroUSB. I just had a sudden thought: if Sony Ericsson were to focus on their accessories in the early 2008 year, could this be because of their change to MicroUSB? Remember it's just a thought and not new news or rumor.

[ This Message was edited by: deasine on 2007-10-28 05:49 ]

Posted by belialwafu

On 2007-10-27 16:08:30, NightBlade wrote:
W910 demo:
http://www.sonyericsson.com/t[....]910/content.htm?window=i-frame

It isn't present over at SE's website, but I found it by editing the link.

Apparently, there' a new Try the Phone layout, which also gives you help/explanation regarding the phone's features.

EDIT: Try looking at the label of the camera its CyberShot hehee...and the fone closes and goes horizontally ah...cant wait for it to be finished

[ This Message was edited by: NightBlade on 2007-10-27 15:38 ]

thanks dude! in the sites..this are arent shown maybe because its not yet finish

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Posted by Angello
The Tv application is also on K850 and W910.
It's not dvb-h, but UMTS (HSDPA)

Posted by C905

On 2007-10-28 10:37:52, beta-tester wrote:
The Tv application is also on K850 and W910.
It's not dvb-h, but UMTS (HSDPA)

no i dont think so

Eldar once mentioned that it was for further reservation for phones equipped with DVB-H

Posted by Mizzle
beta-tester's right. I was just about to post it earlier, but got disturbed by something else. It's even mentioned in that Polish review that it's via 3G.

Posted by C905

On 2007-10-28 02:24:50, Staska wrote:

On 2007-10-27 00:55:04, m-one wrote:
Some great new pics of the W890i.
http://se-center.pl/articles.php?id=25
It will also come in black

[ This Message was edited by: m-one on 2007-10-26 23:55 ]

it is very strang solution indeed, if the first phone from SE in europe with tv tuner would only have a 2" screen???

Posted by WhiteEye
What is the TV icon for? Not DVB-H, is it?

[ This Message was edited by: WhiteEye on 2007-10-28 17:44 ]

Posted by xell
beta-tester & thecoolsha already said what it's for. Why repeat the DVB-H myth again and again?

Posted by razec

On 2007-10-28 17:16:45, k850 successor wrote:

On 2007-10-28 02:24:50, Staska wrote:

On 2007-10-27 00:55:04, m-one wrote:
Some great new pics of the W890i.
http://se-center.pl/articles.php?id=25
It will also come in black

[ This Message was edited by: m-one on 2007-10-26 23:55 ]

it is very strang solution indeed, if the first phone from SE in europe with tv tuner would only have a 2" screen???

you're wrong it's 2.2 inches instead. all JP-8 phones in QVGA screen has to have at least 2.2 inches and above so that texts and any other inerfaces wont be rendered small and invisible to the display. for 176x220 the screen should not be smaller than 2.0 inches

Posted by NightBlade
Guys, that icon was there even on the K850 when the first batch of live shots was released. It'll surely be gone by the time it's out on the market.

[ This Message was edited by: NightBlade on 2007-10-29 12:50 ]

Posted by goldenface
I guess we all know what the W890i looks like now but here is another pic for good measure.

@duota

Thanks for the SO905i link, we know what it looks like at last.

Posted by goldenface

On 2007-10-28 10:37:52, beta-tester wrote:
The Tv application is also on K850 and W910.
It's not dvb-h, but UMTS (HSDPA)

My thinking too. With more and more networks offering TV services, whether by 3G or otherwise, it only makes sense to have this organised into the UI, in the same way say radio channels are. This doesn't necessarily mean however that the device is featuring a TV tuner.

Posted by m-one

No, mate - you are wrong! Actually, the W890i has a 2" QVGA Screen built-in;)
Maybe you mess something up with UIQ that needs at least QVGA.
The screen size doesn't really matter. And noone says that a QVGA Screen has to be at least 2,2".
The K800i has a QVGA-Screen @ 2,0". The W880i even has QVGA @ 1,8".
And my K750i has 176x220 and its size is 1,7"!

[ This Message was edited by: m-one on 2007-10-29 10:30 ]

Posted by xell
http://www.allegro.pl/item260[....]icsson_o_oznaczeniu_se123.html

Three days left, current price is 621 zloty / ~170� / ~240$. Anyone?

Posted by goldenface
Update

Some more info has appeared regarding the upcoming announcement.

The iPhone competitor, so to speak, is codenamed Maria, and the focus will be on media features as well as ease of use and a good, solid user interface.
The last smartphone to be unveiled is a mid-to-low-end smartphone, that most likely, is going to be named P600. It won�t feature any �great� features - preferably a QVGA touch screen and a simple 2 megapixel camera.
The ultra high-end smartphone has been known by the name P3i, but this will not be the final product name. P3i will be a smartphone that simply has everything, and it will possibly run UIQ 4.0 - definitely not UIQ 3.0, so either 3.2 or a completely new version. P3i will have a great screen and pretty much all features - this will be a direct hit at Nokia�s N95 8GB and E90.

So it would seem SE has been saving the best till last after all however, 'when' these will be hitting the market is anyones guess right now.

[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2007-10-29 16:30 ]

Posted by kaiba
Finally fresh news, i was about change from SE to another brand, it seems that Sony Ericsson didn't disappoint us BUT the release date should be FAST or it going to be another disappointment again.
The ultra Hi-end walkman (maria) is definitely my next phone.