Posted by ramintop
the way you guys act is not right, you have to be harsh on the ones you love for them to improve, eldar doesnt hate SE, he mentioned that he was a fan, but he's dissapointed because SE are not trying to improve, im not defending eldar, but this guy sees unannounced phones and reviews phones day in & day out, so he knows what he's talking about, who wouldnt like to see SE be a leader like the old days?
Posted by rraz9228
According to Komiyama San:
"Dick Komiyama, president, said the company had too many similar products and needed to "sharpen its portfolio".
But with falling sales in Asia - the one area of global growth in handset sales - and a gloomy economic picture in Europe, he admitted that the third quarter would "not drastically improve. But there's always Christmas".
Mr Komiyama emphasised the company would not be copying Nokia's approach. "We will define our own strategy," he said. But he admitted that "there is a lot of work to be done".
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/703[....]2a-11dd-ae9c-000077b07658.html
Posted by NightBlade
On 2008-07-26 20:17:40, rraz9228 wrote:
According to Komiyama San:
"Dick Komiyama, president, said the company had too many similar products and needed to "sharpen its portfolio".
They've FINALLY got it!
Posted by BoyBawang
On 2008-07-26 20:17:40, rraz9228 wrote:
According to Komiyama San:
Mr Komiyama emphasised the company would not be copying Nokia's approach. "We will define our own strategy," he said.
They didn't get it
Posted by Tigershark42
Now if only they'd admit that having comparatively weak high-end products was one of the core issues at play here, then we would really be seeing the fast-track towards progress... But nevertheless, this is an honest realisation and a necessary outlook from the CEO. I look forward to seeing the consequent improvements
Posted by Yakkaimono
At least they admitted that they have to change a lot. Maybe there is still hope for SE and Eomer already mentioned that they will have a new management structure to change how things are going.
Posted by BoyBawang
The way I see it is that their planed solution is not focused on high-end but rather making variety of low-end types.
Posted by Tigershark42
Yep. Its a problem for me. In fact, the cancellation of Paris/Beibei could be for such a simple reason. SE aren't strong in the low end category, so they should strengthen in that area, but still not put all their eggs in that basket because SE is not known for selling ultra-low-end handsets for £20 and so it will take a while for the market to start to react more positively to this I suppose. But that said, the high end is not as strong as it should be either.
Posted by badassmam
needs to be stable so they are doing low to mid end stuff for guaranteed sales. Next thing is to release the phones that were being produced before Dick took charge which is what is happening. By not releasing these clone phones, would be at a major loss. Once this is done, they can move onto the new phones in development.
needs to remove all the junk before they move forward. If this is going on half way through 2009, then you should be worried for . You have seen the design of the X1 and the direction looks good. Info about Hecaro is also encouraging so I would say, a true indicator of the future of lies with the 16GB Walkman and the next X and P phones which should be seen around Christmas.
When people first saw the new range of odd looking BMW's, everyone said that they were doomed but look at them now. Let
release their equivilant of the M3 and M5 before passing judgement. After driving both, there is nothing that comes close to those two. I expect the same from .
Posted by makbil
Is there any news on whether the P1 will get a fw update? Any rumors on getting UIQ 3.3? I really wouldn't think so but who knows.
Posted by apolloa
@baddassman,
I just saw people saying how butt ugly BMW's were. Not they were going to fail? They are ugly anyway but damn nice and you wouldn't turn one down would you? I wouldn't (New M3 please Father Christmas). I prefer the C905 over the Samsung 8mbpx phone, even though it's not a smarty the C905 is IMO better.
But it's interesting how everyone thinks the G700 and G900 are good phones, but not many people thought Paris was good. I'm biased as IMO me G00 is the best SE yet.
Still surprised we haven't seen any 16gb Walkman pics yet. But is the memory irrelevant now cause of memory cards.
Posted by badassmam
I want to get hold of the G900 but having seen Beibei with UIQ 3.3, I wonder if the G900 will get an update and if it will be able to run the system well? I may wait for the UIQ 3.3 phones to be announced.
Posted by razec
On 2008-07-26 20:17:40, rraz9228 wrote:
According to Komiyama San:
"Dick Komiyama, president, said the company had too many similar products and needed to "sharpen its portfolio".
But with falling sales in Asia - the one area of global growth in handset sales - and a gloomy economic picture in Europe, he admitted that the third quarter would "not drastically improve. But there's always Christmas".
Mr Komiyama emphasised the company would not be copying Nokia's approach. "We will define our own strategy," he said. But he admitted that "there is a lot of work to be done".
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/703[....]2a-11dd-ae9c-000077b07658.html
That was something Mr Flint hardly admits. especially during the gloomy days of K850 and P990. I percieve that as good sign, but of course let this company do their jobs first before making final judgements. although i've been very sad about their sales downfall
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
I liked the old days when SE didn't have a huge phone portfolio of around 45ish phones available at one time. They had around 10 phones maximum and every one of them was a winner.
I think they need to release less phones (maybe one in each category), but put more effort into each of these phones to make them very competitive, or a market leader.
I think there are too many 2 mega pixel candybar SE phones to count at the moment.
Posted by bronxdude
what happened to mizzle's blog?
Posted by Phoner
And what has happened to it? It is ok
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
It just got a nice makeover thats all!
Posted by razec
On 2008-07-27 07:44:17, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
I liked the old days when SE didn't have a huge phone portfolio of around 45ish phones available at one time. They had around 10 phones maximum and every one of them was a winner.
I think they need to release less phones (maybe one in each category), but put more effort into each of these phones to make them very competitive, or a market leader.
I think there are too many 2 mega pixel candybar SE phones to count at the moment.
That was a very good moment to remember
not until miles flint have messed up with SE portfolio (releasing too many identical yet less functional handsets) along with the tragic fate of their high-end solutions(k850 and P990) i can only think that his move towards expanding the portfolio ended up a big mess for komiyama-san to deal up with. having known the fact from mizzle before that SE team develops phones even three generations ahead before the phone to be released on the current time is out. i can only think that what eldar have seen on the SE future portfolio for 2009 were the products developed under Miles Flint and not from Komiyama-san
Posted by rraz9228
On 2008-07-26 22:49:01, BoyBawang wrote:
The way I see it is that their planed solution is not focused on high-end but rather making variety of low-end types.
I am not sure if you are aware of it or you know what Dick is trying to say but, before SE went down, Nokia is known to recycle products. Add one feature and call it a new phone. It work for Nokia for the longest time and SE(during the time of Mr Flint) tried to copy that strategy until SE went down. That is what Mr Dick meant when he said he will not copy Nokia's strategy and that's why that coment of his is good not a bad one.
Posted by micks2005
Hey Guys,
SE is to release a touch-screen 8.1MP Cyber-shot handset in the Fall'08.
Will be announced in the next announcement in either Late August or Sep'08 along with other offerings to end the year.
Ciao.
Posted by eternal_wind
for real?
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
On 2008-07-27 13:06:30, micks2005 wrote:
Hey Guys,
SE is to release a touch-screen 8.1MP Cyber-shot handset in the Fall'08.
Will be announced in the next announcement in either Late August or Sep'08 along with other offerings to end the year.
Ciao.
Now that is great news! Thanks very much!
UIQ 3.3 I'm going to guess!
Posted by NightBlade
On 2008-07-27 13:06:30, micks2005 wrote:
Hey Guys,
SE is to release a touch-screen 8.1MP Cyber-shot handset in the Fall'08.
Will be announced in the next announcement in either Late August or Sep'08 along with other offerings to end the year.
Ciao.
WTF?! Are you serious? Then wthat will become of the C905?
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Posted by se_dude
Sorry guys, Its not gonna be a Cybershot. It will be a smartphone. Hicaro, the one for which Paris was scrapped is gonna be the one. 8.1 mp, touchscreen, UIQ and most importantly, its a P. it will have VGA recording btw.
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
If its a smart-phone, then it will be targeting a very different audience and price-tag to the C905. So that means they won't clash with each other.
Posted by NightBlade
On 2008-07-27 13:32:34, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
If its a smart-phone, then it will be targeting a very different audience and price-tag to the C905. So that means they won't clash with each other.
Aw, come on. You know that's not exactly true.
EDIT:Oh, so it's not gonna be a cyber-shot? I knew that was supposed to be Hikaro.
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Posted by se_dude
Well, Pop Lover and Mizzle confirmed it.
Posted by micks2005
Well that's true with regards to Hecaro but a Cyber-shot UIQ touch screen device is comin the fall ...
So lets see what this touch screen cyber is and what hecaro turns out to be. C905 is a feature phone, the other one will be a smart-phone, either there will be 2 cyber-shot branded and p branded or just 1 either a cyber shot or p series.
Will have to wait for the fall to find out or till more info comes about.
Ciao.
Posted by se_dude
I dont think they are gonna release two cybershot flagships back to back. Maybe the touchscreen is scheduled for next year. This has to be Hecaro. And we also need a full touch walkman 16 gb.
Posted by BoyBawang
On 2008-07-27 13:32:33, se_dude wrote:
Sorry guys, Its not gonna be a Cybershot. It will be a smartphone. Hicaro, the one for which Paris was scrapped is gonna be the one. 8.1 mp, touchscreen, UIQ and most importantly, its a P. it will have VGA recording btw.
@se_dude
You mean Hecaro will have 30fps VGA videorecording? Wow! That suggests a better processor!
Now that conflicts against Eldars description as "Paris with a bigger memory" Which suggests that the prototype he tested has an old processor.
Posted by xell
On 2008-07-27 13:36:02, se_dude wrote:
Well, Pop Lover and Mizzle confirmed it.
Can you quote their posts?
Posted by Pop Lover
On 2008-07-27 13:06:30, micks2005 wrote:
Hey Guys,
SE is to release a touch-screen 8.1MP Cyber-shot handset in the Fall'08.
Will be announced in the next announcement in either Late August or Sep'08 along with other offerings to end the year.
Ciao.
You are talking about Hikaro which is not Cyber-Shot
and it will be the next phone from
with 8 MP Camera
it's a replacement for paris
8MP
8GB Internal
Slider + QWERTY
GPS + WiFi
98% runing UIQ
[ This Message was edited by: Pop Lover on 2008-07-27 15:07 ]
Posted by Rifqi_Aziz
On 2008-07-27 16:03:44, Pop Lover wrote:
On 2008-07-27 13:06:30, micks2005 wrote:
Hey Guys,
SE is to release a touch-screen 8.1MP Cyber-shot handset in the Fall'08.
Will be announced in the next announcement in either Late August or Sep'08 along with other offerings to end the year.
Ciao.
You are talking about Hikaro which is not Cyber-Shot
and it will be the next phone from
with 8 MP Camera
it's a replacement for paris
8MP
8GB Internal
Slider + QWERTY
GPS + WiFi
98% runing UIQ
[ This Message was edited by: Pop Lover on 2008-07-27 15:07 ]
So, the code name is now Hikaro instead of Hecaro?
Posted by BoyBawang
On 2008-07-27 16:03:44, Pop Lover wrote:
it's a replacement for paris
8MP
8GB Internal
Slider + QWERTY
GPS + WiFi
98% runing UIQ
How about VGA recording that was just mentioned?
Posted by xironghostx
Anything mentioned about screensize and resolution?
Posted by Pop Lover
On 2008-07-27 16:14:06, Rifqi_Aziz wrote:
On 2008-07-27 16:03:44, Pop Lover wrote:
On 2008-07-27 13:06:30, micks2005 wrote:
Hey Guys,
SE is to release a touch-screen 8.1MP Cyber-shot handset in the Fall'08.
Will be announced in the next announcement in either Late August or Sep'08 along with other offerings to end the year.
Ciao.
You are talking about Hikaro which is not Cyber-Shot
and it will be the next phone from
with 8 MP Camera
it's a replacement for paris
8MP
8GB Internal
Slider + QWERTY
GPS + WiFi
98% runing UIQ
[ This Message was edited by: Pop Lover on 2008-07-27 15:07 ]
So, the code name is now Hikaro instead of Hecaro?
I think Mizzle Correcting me ...
i hear the name in Arabic Spelling so....
Mizzle straight it up by Hikaro..
Posted by Mizzle
It is Hikaro
Posted by c96sthl
I just read something out from a china business weekly
it is mentioning SE setting up a new office ...another new one at beijing.
this one is nice...next to the highway to beijing airport with a very big sign tht one cannot miss.
but the articles is saying SE really struggling because its mid to high end cannot sell because that is not getting good demand now ...and tht is wide spread to every maker.
SE was ignoring the mid to low end under miles flint leadership when Samsung and LG is flexing their muscle on high to low end....with a full assault....
it ending with comment like it is a tough route now because they still try to align to the way miles flint set but they also trying to move into the low end area like Samsung and LG did since they need to make sure they get as much share in india and china.
From this story...I donno...it is not what fan love since it mean you give up some innovation to make many many Nokia 2xxx or 1xxx? but i just hope the report is just based on normal PR info...not a real indepth report.
since we all still need some innovation stuff out from the company that first bring us T68 when the rest of the world still mainly monochorme display (minus korea and Japan...plus USA on iDEN)
Posted by gauravsali
thanks to all who gave this very imp info abt hikaro..........
when can we see pics????????
Posted by BoyBawang
Mizzles blog confirms that the black orange pics that was posted before were just paris and not hikaro. That opens the possibility of a different form factor. But Paris with a bigger screen is perfect for me.
Posted by Phoner
replacement for paris
8MP
8GB Internal
Slider + QWERTY
GPS + WiFi
98% runing UIQ
Finally some 98% good news!
Posted by gauravsali
if hikaro is goin to be announced in 2 month so we dnt hv to wait more for leaks?????
m i right or wrong ?????????????///
Posted by micks2005
Hi Guys,
The release date is in ... 7th October 2008
For C905 Worldwide.
Have fun.
Ciao.
Posted by makbil
On 2008-07-27 18:40:14, BoyBawang wrote:
...Paris with a bigger screen is perfect for me.
Definitely not smaller than 2.8" and a lens cover.
Posted by murderjon
I hope 2.8" or bigger and with VGA-Resolution.
Posted by doministry
News about Hikaro look amazing.
Hope it's real...
Posted by BoyBawang
On 2008-07-27 21:25:09, murderjon wrote:
I hope 2.8" or bigger and with VGA-Resolution.
I hope 3.5" iphone screen size
Posted by Robis
On 2008-07-27 23:09:09, BoyBawang wrote:
On 2008-07-27 21:25:09, murderjon wrote:
I hope 2.8" or bigger and with VGA-Resolution.
I hope 3.5" iphone screen size
no way, it's implausible.
Posted by BoyBawang
Why do you think its impossible?? The device demoed at JavaOne had a screen about 3.5"
Posted by Robis
If would be 3inch, not 2.8 it's would be great, but 3.5 I think too good to be true