Posted by darknoob
@Sony,
Still beautiful than Nokia,Samsung and LG phones..
Posted by NightBlade
On 2008-07-18 16:05:39, darknoob wrote:
@Sony,
Still beautiful than Nokia,Samsung and LG phones..
LG phones are nice too (although a bit on the crappy side). They've got sleek designs.
Posted by Yakkaimono
SE definitely has to change some things. Tougher market conditions and a bad European economy growth aren't good enough excuses for their incompetence. They have to do something revolutionary and innovative like they did some years ago but they seem to hold on doing that.
The average consumer doesn't care about a DSP chip. Most of them don't even know what that is. But the W902 will still sell well enough since it's Walkman brandedand has a 5mp camera.
On a side note SE seems to do quiet well in germany especially with the younger customers, since most of the phones I see people using here are Cybershots or Walkmans.
Posted by Sony α
I want a W62s, but its only on au by KDDI lol - hey, on a different note - did anyone watch Top Gear, where they were in Nihon??
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Posted by apolloa
I think it's time this thread was locked for good as over the last what 100 pages most of the discussion has had nothing to do with the phones SE are releasing in 2008.
If people are going to post this talk in this thread refusing to use the one provided, then lock this one please, it's getting harder to find posts relating to the original topic IMO.
Posted by rizzamarv
On 2008-07-18 16:35:02, apolloa wrote:
I think it's time this thread was locked for good as over the last what 100 pages most of the discussion has had nothing to do with the phones SE are releasing in 2008.
If people are going to post this talk in this thread refusing to use the one provided, then lock this one please, it's getting harder to find posts relating to the original topic IMO.
Second that!
Posted by mobse
On 2008-07-18 16:01:25, Sony α wrote:
The only 'beautiful' handsets to come out of SEMC/(J) have been the T650i, W62s and C905 as of late.
Quite true! Getting the T650i Eclipse Black soon and looking forward to C905.
Posted by Tigershark42
On 2008-07-18 16:35:02, apolloa wrote:
I think it's time this thread was locked for good as over the last what 100 pages most of the discussion has had nothing to do with the phones SE are releasing in 2008.
If people are going to post this talk in this thread refusing to use the one provided, then lock this one please, it's getting harder to find posts relating to the original topic IMO.
Well, I dont fully agree with that. You are right about the negative comments, and them not really belonging to this thread. But at the same time, those comments arose as negative feedback from members due to leaks depicting what have been interpreted as sub-par quality products. Noone would say these things if we liked what we saw in the leaks. Since this all comes back to that, it is relevant to an extent.
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Posted by Mizzle
Linda and Feng actually look pretty nice. The leaked pics are just horrible
There's also a colour variant of Feng that looks extremely like the W890.
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Posted by patr!ck
The brown one?
Posted by Rifqi_Aziz
On 2008-07-18 20:31:33, Mizzle wrote:
Linda and Feng actually look pretty nice. The leaked pics are just horrible
There's also a colour variant of Feng that looks extremely like the W890.
Pics?
Posted by Mizzle
Yeah, picture. On my computer
No, not the brown one.
Posted by xumdeo
On 2008-07-18 15:55:15, darknoob wrote:
On 2008-07-18 15:46:15, makbil wrote:
"Tougher market conditions"? They can't even analyze the problem correctly...
A 97% drop in revenue is not the general trend, it's SE specific and we know why.
If SE sticks to current design team and management there's definitely no hope for them.
SE designs still the beautiful in the markets, but SE recycles phones every year with no improves.
W902 with DSP chip would be masterpiece
Miles Flint was warned in person time and time again of the lack of "flaggable"-ship devices. he didn't listen.
no matter what, it'll take another 6 months to have drastic changes, and 18months for the market to feel the shock, good or bad.
yes, flint has stepped down last year, but komiyama is still tidying up the mess he made.
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Posted by SilveR.
Yes..
Agree !! Flint messed up.. Dicky have to clean up the shit he left.. not easiest but there is still a chance..
We still have hope, C905 is one of them...
Posted by patr!ck
Then it must be the silver one? Because we saw the black one already.
Posted by Mizzle
Yes, it's the silver one. It looks very very much like W890.
Posted by rraz9228
@ xumdeo
I agree! And considering that Dick has in charge of Vaio from sony before, I still have hope for SE. For now, the only thing for me worth buying is the C905 and X1, or maybe G900(for being cheap UIQ) and C902(fashion Cybershot), other than those most the other phones are recycled old stuff.
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Posted by Maximys
On 2008-07-18 21:30:45, Mizzle wrote:
Yes, it's the silver one. It looks very very much like W890.
Yeah! Looks 100% like W890. But the back is white.
Posted by makbil
I don't have a problem with the way SE phones look, my objection is to the way they perform.
What disturbs me is the rumors that the X1 fw will supposedly be stable not before Feb. 2009 but will be released Dec. 2008. Can SE really afford another P990 fiasco?
Posted by my ninja
hey so mizz when tigershark or i say SE is headed down the wrong path, you tell us to take it elsewhere and then say we have too high expectations to be relevant in the realworld...
not only does this sit in my craw, but the fact that you say "take it elsewhere" what the hell am i supposed to say back to you when you BRING it in here (linking to eldars post (shameless) plug for your site) but if ELDAR says something it means MORE than when spectators can CLEARLY see without having the inside information that the company is trying their hardest to become irrelevant.
we have been saying this all along since the specs for paris the n95 killer (in all reality it is ... just FAR FAR too late) that SE is having a hard time looking ahead, instead of looking next to them. 97% drop in revenue is proof AGAIN that they are nice themselves out of business, this way and theyll follow moto out of this arena.
they need someone that has direction has a goal (achievable) and respects the competition and consumers. both of which SE has been taking for granted since 2006.
YOU MIZZLE ARE BIASED!
even if there is some invisible hierarchy involved with this internet blog circle dont continue to be condescending to those on this board expressing themselves about the expectations set forth in the RUMORS for 2008 thread.
the level of arrogance is akin to that of SE, its so blinding to you, you cant even humble yourself to the boundaries you yourself set.
regardless of this, i think SE needs to just stop, think about what companies would think a natural progression would be for next year, then produce a product that is yet again a year ahead >> and ready to release 1H 2009. Scrap the old platform research new tech, and find ways of implementation. too hard, too bad. too expensive, well its not like what they are doing now is helping their funds.
i would think as an investor ... whats that mizz you own stock too, good! that makes us brothers in shares. that the answers lie in a NEW fresh approach. focusing on the low end has brought them to the brink of obsolescence ... just like the phones, its ashame but you dont create buzz and you dont expand your brand by pandering to those niches that wont spread your name.
person 1: what phone is that?
person 2: oh, i dont know (tmo, att) gave it to me for free when i renewed my contract.
person 1: oh, it looks cute ...
person 3: hey nice phone
person 4: yea, its the new SE X1 its got x,x,x,x,x, and this cool panel system
person 3: it can do all that, does SE make other phones like that?
person 4: no, they didnt even make this one ... HTC did.
person 5: wow is that your new phone who makes it?
person 6: SE its great isnt it, just as youd expect from a partnership with sony, you get the top of the line for you money, bravia, cybershot, and walkman all here in my pocket, it really outshines HTC/Apple/Nokia in so many ways.
person 5: really, it must cost a fortune, huh?
person 6: yea, but i have an ipod, celly, pmp all in one and it cost less than all 3 would.
person 5: what if i dont need all those things?
person 6: well, they make 4 models
- BRAVIA/CS/WM
- B/CS
- B/WM
- CS/WM
choose what you want, they also make individual branded phones as well!
this is probably how id structure my strongest tier for a business model with in the corporation ... sadly, i dont run SE ... yet.
Posted by Mizzle
First of all, that post was utterly unnecessary, and completely wrong, btw. Get your facts together next time you try to "diss" someone, will ya?
Second of all, your business plan would make SE fall behind faster than it is falling right now, if possible.
Third, this is way off-topic, and still not the appropriate place to discuss this.
It did make me giggle though. Can't believe you actually took the time to write that.
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Posted by my ninja
yea, its pretty poorly written but only took ~5/10 minutes.
Posted by Sony α
@Xumdeo
Agree, 110% of the way - I still back Komiyama to do something at SEMC/(J).
Posted by NightBlade
I just hope SE gets out of this situation...
Otherwise, I'd be forced to buy an ugly Nokia, a boring Samsung or a crappy LG in the future.
Posted by makbil
@my ninja, it's not like SE produces the cheapest phones around. You can get a dual SIM, 2.8" touchscreen, 2 MP camera phone for quite a cheap price nowadays - and they work. SE can only be successful in the low/med segment for a limited time and that is by using it's name and reputation obtained way back in the P900 era. Eventually people are going to realize that the cost of an SE device is just not worth it. There's a magic number: (features+looks+brand name)/cost, well, SE's magic number is getting smaller and smaller every day and this is not good.
Posted by Tigershark42
Well to be fair, all I did was state 'this is what Ive heard from souce x and source y' and then give a short comment on the matter 'I dont think the market will be too fond of this'.
If we were to go into it (straying from the topic) I would have to mostly agree with MyNinja. But we cant pull solutions to such problems out of a hat as we dont have the experience of running a huge multi-national corporation.
Also, there must be a good reason why, say, WM/CS isnt made. If that sort of thing was intended, dont you think Sony would have made a WM/CS product by now? They could, because theyre Sony, and Sony is huge and knows all about it, but they dont. For some reason Sony themselves keep the two product lines seperate. So SE is not at the heart of this problem.
Also, its clear the problem is strategic and not technological. SE Japan flexes SE's true muscles, and proves beyond all doubt that SE is perfectly capable of producing handsets with specs to smash any Nokia you could come up with. But they dont elsewhere...at least not yet. I wish they would, and Id love to at least know why they dont implement at least some of the technical expertise, not because I cant accept the difference in technological pace/development between Japan and the rest of the world, but because a 97% drop in profits tells me they are failing and need to do something about it.
I apologize for this off topic post. But let me say that I hope all Ive mentioned in this rant will be rectified in some way by SE sooner rather than later, and I hope we will grow to see this dip in SE's success as a cause for reinvention of the brand rather than the beginning of the end.
Posted by chuksy
I hope amongst the 2000 to be sacked by SE are the top guys at the helms of affairs who have showed lack of imagination and massively disappointed millions of SE fans...
Posted by apolloa
Right back ON TOPIC after all this BS talk. Any more news on Hecaro? Or are we going to continue to bitch and moan?
Posted by badassmam
Maybe if PK and other testers are sacked, they could leak everything in protest. Beta testers should start filling up their HD with spy pics. Hold
at ransom. I don't want you lot to be sacked btw.
Anyway, one F series phone has been announced so is the series all about motion gaming or is there scope for F phones with advanced graphics and stuff?
If there is the X2 and X5, does this mean they will have touchscreens or what? You can't have much of an experience without a touchscreen right?
The index of phones like the W980 and G900 suggests that they are the top end for their range so does that mean that
have come close to the end of Walkmans or G phones? Maybe these are the last batch before indexes like P1, X1, X2 and X5 are used to indicate a change/ step forward for ?
Posted by chuksy
I hope Hecaro is announced soon else, it would be very sad.And i hope its got impressive specs.
Interestingly no one seems to be talking about Hecaro...is it that no one has had any glimpse of it or have people been banned from even talking about it for fear of being sanctioned.
Posted by gola
On 2008-07-19 02:01:01, chuksy wrote:
I hope amongst the 2000 to be sacked by SE are the top guys at the helms of affairs who have showed lack of imagination and massively disappointed millions of SE fans...
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Posted by BoyBawang
On 2008-07-19 02:16:22, apolloa wrote:
Right back ON TOPIC after all this BS talk. Any more news on Hecaro? Or are we going to continue to bitch and moan?
We already have clue from Eldar and others that Hecaro is just Paris with 8GB ROM.
That makes me assume that the improved Beibei which someone dubbed as "Monster" is just Beibei with 8GB ROM.
therefore the cancellation must have something to do with the last minute incorporation of ROMs?
Posted by xell
8 Gigabyte of Read Only Memory? That would be a real pity.
Posted by apolloa
Maybe the 8GB ROM is to make UIQ 3.3 work better? If Hecaro is the same design as Paris then I made the right choice as I cannot get on with those rocker key's as I hated them on my P1i.
Posted by xell
BTW, has anyone got the /reveals to become green? There must be a way.
Posted by Mizzle
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Posted by NightBlade
On 2008-07-19 12:59:23, xell wrote:
BTW, has anyone got the /reveals to become green? There must be a way.
What do you mean?
Posted by idumbakumar
I think SE was making things popular by only fancy names.not in the hardware.
Ex. Walkman does it has DSP chip?stereo speakers?3.5mm jack?music keys? You can swap the f/w between k750 and w800. About k850i the h/w is different like xenon,cam module,cam keys. Is there any uniqueness in walkman no right? We need only audio quality not the user interface. K series also does well in music department.if SE wants to differentiate its product they have to differentiate with h/w not only with names.nobody expects only camera/music/web They need all in a single pack.like n95 not like w910 with poor cam and loudspeaker. Even k850i loudspeaker beats w910.
If w910 with stereo speakers,3.2mp AF cam with flash,3.5mm jack. And k850i with stereo speakers,3.5mm jack,big screen,
Wouldn't have increased the sales? Also why k850i records lower resolution video? Is that only to run on the mobile? if so why images are in such a huge resolution. So SE ruins their revenue by itself not by the competition.
I am eagerly waiting for hecaro!.!..
Posted by xell
On 2008-07-19 13:08:39, NightBlade wrote:
What do you mean?
There are buttons & stuff in the flash file for a green theme instead of the orange one.
Posted by NightBlade
On 2008-07-19 13:25:00, xell wrote:
On 2008-07-19 13:08:39, NightBlade wrote:
What do you mean?
There are buttons & stuff in the flash file for a green theme instead of the orange one.
Maybe when the countdown timer hits 00:00:00 the site will turn green?
Posted by mariozlp
On 2008-07-19 05:23:16, BoyBawang wrote:
On 2008-07-19 02:16:22, apolloa wrote:
Right back ON TOPIC after all this BS talk. Any more news on Hecaro? Or are we going to continue to bitch and moan?
We already have clue from Eldar and others that Hecaro is just Paris with 8GB ROM.
That makes me assume that the improved Beibei which someone dubbed as "Monster" is just Beibei with 8GB ROM.
therefore the cancellation must have something to do with the last minute incorporation of ROMs?
I think we saw Hecaro before, it was a photo showing Paris in black and orange colour, and the button on its side most ppl questioning what is it, should now be the walkman button, but should be uiq-walkman or not??
Maybe its time to see tha uiq-walkman phones coming from SE (paris & beibei)
Paris should be great for walkman, 8 gb storage, 5mp cam AF with flash, querty, maybe gps and accelometer.
I dont think that beibei will impress us as a walkman, but if its cheap, touchscreen, 8gb and slim so it could be handy...
Hope SE take good decisions.
Fingers crossed for the 22th.
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
On 2008-07-19 13:29:06, NightBlade wrote:
On 2008-07-19 13:25:00, xell wrote:
On 2008-07-19 13:08:39, NightBlade wrote:
What do you mean?
There are buttons & stuff in the flash file for a green theme instead of the orange one.
Maybe when the countdown timer hits 00:00:00 the site will turn green?
Maybe that's the big thing they're going to announce... That Walkman's traditional orange colour is going to be changed to green!
Posted by xell
The counter will flash when it hits 00:00:00:00. Besides that, nothing of interest there. :/
Posted by tob!s
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Thats interesting... Are there any new Cyber-shot Phones?
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Posted by Alsarea3
On 2008-07-19 13:29:54, mariozlp wrote:
On 2008-07-19 05:23:16, BoyBawang wrote:
On 2008-07-19 02:16:22, apolloa wrote:
Right back ON TOPIC after all this BS talk. Any more news on Hecaro? Or are we going to continue to bitch and moan?
We already have clue from Eldar and others that Hecaro is just Paris with 8GB ROM.
That makes me assume that the improved Beibei which someone dubbed as "Monster" is just Beibei with 8GB ROM.
therefore the cancellation must have something to do with the last minute incorporation of ROMs?
I think we saw Hecaro before, it was a photo showing Paris in black and orange colour, and the button on its side most ppl questioning what is it, should now be the walkman button, but should be uiq-walkman or not??
Maybe its time to see tha uiq-walkman phones coming from SE (paris & beibei)
Paris should be great for walkman, 8 gb storage, 5mp cam AF with flash, querty, maybe gps and accelometer.
I dont think that beibei will impress us as a walkman, but if its cheap, touchscreen, 8gb and slim so it could be handy...
Hope SE take good decisions.
Fingers crossed for the 22th.
Yes I agree with you .. Paris is great enough to be a Walkman.
Just change the keyboard to a normal keyboard and add some music buttons somewhere under the screen like W960i and It will be the real successor for the legendary W960i ..
Imagine it in all black with orange touches, and another white version .. Great !
Posted by doministry
Great!!
I definately wait for SE to announce at least 15 new walkmans this year!!!
C'mon guys, we need some highend smartphones, not toys, from SE!
Posted by BoyBawang
On 2008-07-19 13:29:54, mariozlp wrote:
Paris should be great for walkman, 8 gb storage, 5mp cam AF with flash, querty, maybe gps and accelometer.
A phone with qwerty keys like Paris can't be walkman.
But why are you all obsessed with walkman?? it's just a name! I can make my P990i or P1i or any cybershot as walkman without problem!
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Posted by makbil
8 GB ROM??? What is this, is SE installing Vista on their phones now?
Posted by doministry
On 2008-07-19 20:33:05, makbil wrote:
8 GB ROM??? What is this, is SE installing Vista on their phones now?
No, it's UiQ 10.0
Posted by Phoner
Some of you wanted to see more of UIQ 3.3 interface. I made a short clip with my photo camera, covering also a bit of Opera 9.5. Previously I was using Usabilityexpo software and it simply could not catch Opera and Media Center screens and menu transitions. Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWG2VnTuovc
EDIT: Also opening SMS messages for you BoyBawang
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