Posted by JaJa
"Net income before taxes is estimated to be about break-even."
And because they f****d up with their smartphones. Gooood jooobb...
Posted by Jimster71
On 2008-06-27 14:14:27, JaJa wrote:
"Net income before taxes is estimated to be about break-even."
And because they f****d up with their smartphones. Gooood jooobb...
I think you overestimate how much of SonyEricsson's business is from smart phones.
Posted by goldenface
Thats right. The smartphones represent only a tiny part of a small sector.
Posted by makbil
Yes but one smart phone brings revenue equivalent to 5-6 low/mid end devices.
Posted by ares
exactly...that is precisely what is causing their problems...not enough sales on the high end devices - because they donīt have any new ones lately, only crap walkman and cibershot stuff
Posted by technical-expert
off To.
makbil
BTW have u bought a new phone? i mean P990 replacement,i.e p1 u said that i think 3 pages back?
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Posted by zaidiyano
bla bla bla bla come on we need some excitement here, this forum is getting boring. we need some rumers some spy pictures. anyone ..... hello
Posted by ares
The 16gb walkman mizzle refers to is mentioned here
http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/Sony_Ericsson_John_Harber.html
Posted by jalf
I think that we, new and old SE supporters, must have a word from the Company!!!!
Something that elucidates what's going to be the near future...
Posted by deepsme
On 2008-06-27 15:17:31, ares wrote:
The 16gb walkman mizzle refers to is mentioned here
http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/Sony_Ericsson_John_Harber.html
SE's MD looks like hollow man
Posted by Dogmann
Hi all
Sorry but so much of that interview is just the same old usual SE BS. Especially this question and answer IMO.
"Richard: So what will happen to UIQ Technology?
Ulf: We will continue to ship UIQ phones for quite some time and Motorola has publicly said it will do the same. So nothing will be stopping immediately. Over time of course we will be moving to the Symbian Foundation platform. This means that UIQ Technology will need to find a new place in the ecosystem. We are currently talking to Motorola and the management of UIQ Technology and exploring different options to find the best role UIQ Technology can play.
The Symbian Foundation will help drive convergent phones even further into the mass market. This will certainly create a demand for skilled people throughout the value chain. UIQ Technology is a really strong group of these skilled people. So there will certainly be a role for UIQ Technology, but finding exactly the right role will take some time."
Oh yes of course i see especially with this
"UIQ Technology is a really strong group of these skilled people."
So strong that they just sacked what was it two thirds of them on announcement of the Foundation, so much for a commitment to UIQ or any chance of anything new coming. Plus of course SE were one of the driving forces in this move for the Symbian foundation i bet it was all there idea no really it was honest.
When you add to that what they are saying about profit and market share for this year it really isn't a pretty picture is it?
IMO a total lack of innovation and drive and just rehashing old products in new cases has really started to hurt SE. They have really lost the high ground they once held and what brought them more users.
It is very obvious by both the number of complaint threads and firmware woe threads that SE's innovation and quality have both gone for a walk. Until they manage to return to what made them once great they are destined to struggle where there are now IMO.
What's more with their attitude it's where they deserve to be and it serves them right. They really should of realised they can't bite the hand that feeds them and take liberties with their users as otherwise this is what happens. All but the most faithful users have gone elsewhere and it is far easier to lose them then to get them back.
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Posted by doministry
On 2008-06-27 13:28:20, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
On 2008-06-27 13:15:47, doministry wrote:
On 2008-06-27 12:35:16, Phoner wrote:
On 2008-06-27 11:56:28, Tigershark42 wrote:
It would be a waste of time for anyone to come up with a new UIQ now, but of course, they may be nearly at the finishing stages of one, we dont know that.
That is exactly for what I am hoping.
[ This Message was edited by: Phoner on 2008-06-27 11:41 ]
??? They just had TWO devices at finishing stages and canceled them!!! Paris was in developement for over a year.
So what are you hoping for?
That they also have another one in another room? It's a bit crazy man.
"Nothing will stop immediately" from the article above means things go slowly DOWN, not UP,
and a new Pseries would be in fact a big thing, which is not hinted by anyone.
Are you serious? Almost all phones are in development for over a year. Thats nothing different to the normal for any company. And yes they do have other high spec phones being developed in other rooms. They develop several different phones at a time to be tested and only a select few make it to the market. Just because we knew about Paris didn't mean it was sure to be released. Like Mizzle and a few others have outlined recently, we know a lot more than we should know and that's why we become disappointed. I think you need to calm down, you're one of the most aggravated members in this thread along with bavlondon2. Keep calm, its not the end of the world, its the start of a new thing.
Ok, so you don't believe that sometimes somebody essentialy fails? But that happen.
Of course I know that they always work on many more solutions. But I also know nothing soon will come.
I'm also aware the new thing comes with the "Foundation".
But it doesn't mean it's better or even good. It can be just civilized way to get rid of financial loss. You have to agree that they just lost it!
The most idiotic part is to believe that SE will really just pay 1500$ for using Symbian, when Nokia buys the rest of it for 260 millions.
IMO these last days facts give very simple conclusions...
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Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Maybe some of your points hold some truth, and I agree that SE hasn't had the best run lately and they have a lot of sorting out to do, but you're acting like its the end for Sony Ericsson, which it quite obviously isn't. I believe this Symbian Foundation will cause a rough patch for many manufacturers, not just Sony Ericsson, so I think some of us need to calm ourselves a bit. They're a big company, I'm sure their collective brains can come up with a solution.
Posted by doministry
On 2008-06-27 16:23:51, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
Maybe some of your points hold some truth, and I agree that SE hasn't had the best run lately and they have a lot of sorting out to do, but you're acting like its the end for Sony Ericsson, which it quite obviously isn't. I believe this Symbian Foundation will cause a rough patch for many manufacturers, not just Sony Ericsson, so I think some of us need to calm ourselves a bit. They're a big company, I'm sure their collective brains can come up with a solution.
Yeah, nobody doubts SE in general. Just the smartphones division.
What makes some of us angry is just wasted and degenerated possibilities, starting from visionary P800 to the death of UiQ today.
And the problem is: I don't see any other 100% suitable device, like SE/UIQ did suit me for years.
If I'd see it, I would not bother commenting this poor situation.
Posted by Tigershark42
Im just a lil' frustrated by the way in which SE seems to be offering great solutions for EVERY last bit of the market except smartphones. I feel somewhat left out by this and dont want to be left waiting. But something will come along Im sure.
"Another leap is about to be taken on a new Walkman phone. No details are available at the moment, but it is expected to have a monster 16GB of memory and what is rumoured to be a large touch-screen format."
http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/Sony_Ericsson_John_Harber.html
If thats true, or if its STILL true, then thats got to be the one we saw at Javaone. Hell yes.
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Posted by ElectricMofo
That was an interesting read there ares! thanks.
It pretty much confirms that SE will release a brand new touch screen walkman,
most likely similar to the one shown at the java one conferance. For this I am very happy and it means that despite all this talk of SE being dead, the company will have the best camera phone, one of the best business phones and probably the best touch screen music phone on the market. And all probably out by the end of the year.
Posted by badassmam
It seems that SE spends a lot of energy on Walkmans which is why I have been reluctant to buy the P1 or G900. This new Walkman is what I have been holding out for, I just hope that it is not released too late and that it has a huge screen. I pray that it is not like Paris in design, that would not work for a Walkman in the same way it does for a P series. Fresh designs please SE.
Posted by Tigershark42
So we have an idea now of what and why. Therefore the question is when.
Posted by BoyBawang
Unless it's for web surfing, I'm curious why a walkman phone need a very large touchscreen. music videos perhaps?
Posted by domipost
Anybody knows this color variant of the G700?
It's called "Sandy brown" according to the webshop the pic comes from.
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
On 2008-06-27 17:51:29, BoyBawang wrote:
Unless it's for web surfing, I'm curious why a walkman phone need a very large touchscreen. music videos perhaps?
As much as I hate to bring up the subject yet again, I guess its the same as an iPhone. The large touchscreen may end up being useful for other features such as smartphone stuff.
Posted by BoyBawang
So we now have flagship Cybershot and a rumored flagship Walkman. What's left is a flagship business phone to complete the trio. Rumor says it's canceled. Hopefully SE won't release it as "G700 business edition" LOL!
Posted by darknoob
On 2008-06-27 17:52:20, domipost wrote:
Anybody knows this color variant of the G700?
It's called "Sandy brown" according to the webshop the pic comes from.
yep Plemix already got it:
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=170574#post2359120
also G900 in blue will come later
Posted by the-flash
On 2008-06-27 18:18:27, BoyBawang wrote:
So we now have flagship Cybershot and a rumored flagship Walkman. What's left is a flagship business phone to complete the trio. Rumor says it's canceled. Hopefully SE won't release it as "G700 business edition" LOL!
Posted by doministry
On 2008-06-27 18:59:06, the-flash wrote:
On 2008-06-27 18:18:27, BoyBawang wrote:
So we now have flagship Cybershot and a rumored flagship Walkman. What's left is a flagship business phone to complete the trio. Rumor says it's canceled. Hopefully SE won't release it as "G700 business edition" LOL!
Exactly my thought.
Strongly advertised and powerful.
Posted by siker
And i'd bet the walkman/javaone phone is windows mobile. As uiq can't do res. Above 240/320.
Posted by ElectricMofo
I think its more likely an XMB phone. Sony seem very keen on this whole compatibility thing that they want all their devices to share. I also get the feeling that this might be a phone that has more Sony influence. And why not XMB? Its the only decent platform SE have acsess to at the moment, its been great for the PSP and PS3, so why not bring it to a phone. I see this more as a Sony phone than a SE phone.
Posted by Tigershark42
isnt iphone res 320 x 400 or something like that? It looks decent res as it is. Maybe UIQ would be able to support something like that...
Posted by makbil
On 2008-06-27 15:12:37, technical-expert wrote:
makbil
BTW have u bought a new phone? i mean P990 replacement,i.e p1 u said that i think 3 pages back?
Yes, I got a P1, should be arriving tomorrow.
Posted by makbil
On 2008-06-27 16:31:49, doministry wrote:
...What makes some of us angry is just wasted and degenerated possibilities, starting from visionary P800 to the death of UiQ today.
And the problem is: I don't see any other 100% suitable device, like SE/UIQ did suit me for years.
If I'd see it, I would not bother commenting this poor situation.
My thoughts exactly.
Posted by clauf
On 2008-06-27 19:53:43, ElectricMofo wrote:
I think its more likely an XMB phone. Sony seem very keen on this whole compatibility thing that they want all their devices to share. I also get the feeling that this might be a phone that has more Sony influence. And why not XMB? Its the only decent platform SE have acsess to at the moment, its been great for the PSP and PS3, so why not bring it to a phone. I see this more as a Sony phone than a SE phone.
We do sort of have an XMB interface for the media galleries only. I would much rather see it used throughout the entire device.
Posted by _vAmpiRe_
On 2008-06-27 19:53:43, ElectricMofo wrote:
I think its more likely an XMB phone. Sony seem very keen on this whole compatibility thing that they want all their devices to share. I also get the feeling that this might be a phone that has more Sony influence. And why not XMB? Its the only decent platform SE have acsess to at the moment, its been great for the PSP and PS3, so why not bring it to a phone. I see this more as a Sony phone than a SE phone.
True... Sony will make the Playstation branded phone without SE... So if you want XMB, you'll have to get a S, and not SE...
Posted by kura998
Hello
Greetings Mateusz Kurowski ^^
Posted by iva_se
On 2008-06-27 22:27:44, kura998 wrote:
Hello
Greetings Mateusz Kurowski ^^
WOW GOOOD!!!
Posted by zaidiyano
thats what i am talking about, some excitment!!!!!!!!!!!! wake up everybody lol
Posted by moogoo
didnt we just see these pics a few days ago?
Posted by bodeh6
On 2008-06-27 23:04:06, moogoo wrote:
didnt we just see these pics a few days ago?
Same phone, different pics.
Posted by BoyBawang
Why are these pics keep appearing? Aren't they canceled already? unreturned protos?
Posted by moogoo
is there any real word about Hecaro? PK? PopLover? Mizzle?
was Hecaro dropped too?
I'd be happy if Hecaro were UIQ3.3 with the newer hardware specs. It would be my next phone for sure.
Posted by Phoner
I wonder why it is always switched off in those pictures.
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Posted by mariozlp
the back part is the sliding cover of the camera, no small lens sliding on side.
and i bet it has a walkman button on its side...
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Posted by kura998
is there any real word about Hecaro? PK? PopLover? Mizzle? was Hecaro dropped too?
The Sony Ericsson P200(P5i/Paris) has been canceled , and only PROTOTYPES are avaible in the world.
I'd be happy if Hecaro were UIQ3.3 with the newer hardware specs. It would be my next phone for sur
I'm not allowed to tell anybody anything about the replacement of the Paris... But you must know that UIQ is DEATH project. Now you must waiting for the phone with the SFOS(Symbian Foundation Operating System)...
Greetings Mateusz Kurowski
Posted by bodeh6
The phone (Hecaro?) in these pics have a different camera cover then the older pics and video (Paris?). The old phone had a smaller cover that slid along the width of the phone while this phone has a cover like the N73 that slides along the height of the phone.
Posted by kura998
Believe me...
That phone
And phone from my photos are the same, just only other color version... (and maybe little older PROTO version)
Greetings Mateusz Kurowski
Posted by chuksy
The Sony Ericsson P200(P5i/Paris) has been canceled , and only PROTOTYPES are avaible in the world.
So why post the pix......its no longer of any benefit to us. We are only interested in the new flagship...if you have any pix of that, then that would be much appreciated
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Posted by BoyBawang
On 2008-06-27 23:38:14, kura998 wrote:
I'm not allowed to tell anybody anything about the replacement of the Paris... But you must know that UIQ is DEATH project. Now you must waiting for the phone with the SFOS(Symbian Foundation Operating System)...
Greetings Mateusz Kurowski
Pnext is SFOS? You mean we have to wait for two years for Paris replacement! What we want is to buy a P1i replacement few months from now or early next year. Is there any?
[ This Message was edited by: BoyBawang on 2008-06-27 23:34 ]
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Posted by my ninja
On 2008-06-26 21:15:41, Mizzle wrote:
On 2008-06-26 21:06:16, my ninja wrote:
16GB is last years flavor, either impress me with 32/64/128 SSD at 1.8" all three sizes are available. again SE one step behind the leader. its not about following the pack as they prove year in and year out with the MPx count for the CS line, so why would storage be different? cost? hmph! another excuse. you create buzz and then use it to sell other phones but in order to create that buzz you have to excite, its like static electricity you have to keep rubbing the carpet to generate a charge and then ZAP! you touch someone else and pass it on, rubbing your feet a few times wont do anything but have the person next to you asking why your poking them ... with nothing to show
Yeah, wow - what - ONE phone with 16 gigs of memory? The N96. Which was announced when - this year, correct? So, how is this "last years flavor"? Pathetic.
im pretty sure the iphone came out last year 2007 (which was announced in the OPENING WEEKS of 2007 none the less) ... and got an upgrade to 16gb in 2007, so a touchscreen 16GB phone in 2009 is even MORE pathetic ... come on mizz. this is more like a cry for help than a battle cry.
you know how they tell runners not to look back, because it slows them down, well thats what SE is CONTINUALLY doing to the point where they are looking ahead to their competition but only where they stand, instead of where they are headed. theres a complete LACK of innovation. when they have an opportunity to lead they pull some diarrhea outta their bums.
and hey if im pathetic for proving my point, then it is what it is.
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Posted by moogoo
^um.. original iphone is only 8gb. 3g iphone is 16gb and will be out next month (mid 08), so a 16gb walkman flagship for late 08 or early 09 is not that bad.
in addition, the spec superior n96 is only 16gb, so if anything greater on a phone were the way to go, why not do so in n96 or 3g iphone?
EDIT:
@ kura998
As someone else said, what's the point of posting the proto pic if its already cancelled? We've seen this color variant before in a pic last week i think. Sure UIQ may be a DEAD GUI on its own, but SE is not stopping right now. They may still be finishing out their UIQ 3.3 line, which I would be happy to purchase as I am a UIQ fan. I'll look at the foundation offerings when it's available, and weigh the options then.
And I'm asking about Hecaro, which is supposedly different from Paris. So yes, Paris is cancelled, but Hecaro should be alive and well as far as we (the uninformed) know.
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Posted by makbil
16 GB iPhones have been available here for several months.
Posted by TJMonkey15
Although, I'm betting
would be smart enough to add a memory card slot to their 16gb phone....hooray for expandable memory!