Posted by Mizzle
On 2008-06-26 21:06:16, my ninja wrote:
16GB is last years flavor, either impress me with 32/64/128 SSD at 1.8" all three sizes are available. again SE one step behind the leader. its not about following the pack as they prove year in and year out with the MPx count for the CS line, so why would storage be different? cost? hmph! another excuse. you create buzz and then use it to sell other phones but in order to create that buzz you have to excite, its like static electricity you have to keep rubbing the carpet to generate a charge and then ZAP! you touch someone else and pass it on, rubbing your feet a few times wont do anything but have the person next to you asking why your poking them ... with nothing to show
Yeah, wow - what - ONE phone with 16 gigs of memory? The N96. Which was announced when - this year, correct? So, how is this "last years flavor"? Pathetic.
Posted by xell
Some interesting statements by Eomer over at M-R.
Posted by bavlondon2
Yeah interesting indeed. To sum up SE WONT be using UIQ with their new hw. Only Moto may bring out some but otherwise UIQ is dead in the water.
So what happened to all those rumors that the P series is not dead? Unless the next P is going to run on WM id say its pretty dead to me.
Whats the latest on hecaro?lol
He does however go on to say that they will be using essentially S60 in upcoming phones but we wont see anything until maybe this time next year. He also points to the crap rumors we have been fed on here.
[ This Message was edited by: bavlondon2 on 2008-06-26 20:37 ]
Posted by _vAmpiRe_
"On launch of the Symbian foundation, which is expected in the first half of 2009, all contributed assets will be available under the foundation’s royalty-free license. Device manufacturers will be shipping devices based on the foundation’s assets from launch of the foundation.
A new platform is then to be formed from Symbian OS and S60 with selected UIQ and MOAP(S) technologies integrated."
http://www.symbianfoundation.org/files/WhitePaper.pdf
Seems like we don't have to wait 2 years then...
Posted by bavlondon2
Eomer just said over on MR that we would probably see some new SE's using the new HW and UI this time next year. There is some waiting to do but im sure in the long run it will be worth it.
Posted by xell
They'll use an UI that is basically S60 until the SymFound OS is ready.
Posted by _vAmpiRe_
On 2008-06-26 21:53:45, xell wrote:
They'll use an UI that is basically S60 until the SymFound OS is ready.
So we can expect P(next) with S60 next year then?
Posted by bavlondon2
On 2008-06-26 21:56:33, _vAmpiRe_ wrote:
On 2008-06-26 21:53:45, xell wrote:
They'll use an UI that is basically S60 until the SymFound OS is ready.
So we can expect P(next) with S60 next year then?
Yeah looks like it. He didnt say S60 though he said essentially S60 so take from that what you will. But he also said it will have decent specs to get you all here drooling. So good times ahead but its still a bit of a wait.
Dont assume it will be P series. Who knows if it will even be touch screen.
[ This Message was edited by: bavlondon2 on 2008-06-26 21:10 ]
Posted by makbil
On 2008-06-26 21:46:46, _vAmpiRe_ wrote:
Seems like we don't have to wait 2 years then...
Not if you're using Nokia. I have serious doubts that this would be the case for SE.
Posted by bavlondon2
I think after all the crap we have had to put up with over the years this is the best thing that could have happened for SE. They are going to use new hardware and they will be using the most popular software. Its a win win situation for us all.
Posted by makbil
Yes but SE using S60 possibly without touch screen means nothing to me.
Posted by bavlondon2
On 2008-06-26 22:28:37, makbil wrote:
Yes but SE using S60 possibly without touch screen means nothing to me.
So dont buy it then. UIQ is dead for SE and Nokia havent yet released S60 touch so I dont know what you are expecting.
Posted by ares
well...expecting nothing...its basically goodbye SE
Posted by bavlondon2
On 2008-06-26 22:35:27, ares wrote:
well...expecting nothing...its basically goodbye SE
How is it goodbye SE?
SE will realease good phones again, just not for a while. And they will be better.
Posted by darknoob
2 flagship walkman phones this year ? W980 and the Successor of W960?
It doesn't make sense :S
Posted by ares
Well, if they don´t come out and say clearly what´s going to happen, right NOW, they do not deserve people to buy their s60 crap...might as well buy Nokia, the original...because they are now starting to sell new UIQ phones (g700 and g900), that will be replaced in short term by units that are NOT compatible with its aplications. They also issue no word about what kind of support these 2 phones will have, like P1 and W960. Or if its users will actually be able to see any new apps in coming months, after all this mess comes to the ears of developers
By the way Bavlondon, or should i say Uchiha Sasuke, its not pretty to see you badmouthing esato users at mobile-review, than come here like its nothing...
Posted by bavlondon2
Im not bad mouthing anyone. I have openly said what i thought of the so called rumors and insiders and how they hyped up everything out of proportion. Im not really wanting to drap this topic into a fight but continue if you wish. And its not like im the only one to have said this.
Regarding support for existing phones with those 200 getting sacked im not sure if new firmware will be developed but some support should be available for some time. In any case its time to join the S60 party. Also you dont know what sort of hardware SE will use in the future so lets wait and see.
Posted by londonlad123
Well a few of said Uiq was dying and it did, there just wasnt enough progress. I think a few of the hardcore uiq fans will move onto other touchscreen UI's and be quite suprised at how much they have been missing.
Posted by xell
On 2008-06-26 22:45:21, darknoob wrote:
2 flagship walkman phones this year ? W980 and the Successor of W960?
It doesn't make sense :S
W910/W960?
Posted by darknoob
W980 is not successor of W910 as I know.
and what about Patty? 3 flagship?
I've been told only 1 more with 5mpx will appear this year, Does that mean that W960's successor won't have 5mpx because Patty will come with it ?
strange...
Posted by xell
I meant W910 was the
feature phone flagship, W960 the smartphone flagship. Now it's W980/gap. And will be Patty/Wnext.
Posted by famous12
^^^ good point
On 2008-06-26 20:22:42, Mizzle wrote:
On 2008-06-26 20:13:31, domipost wrote:
haha, we all think it's UIQ, when you make the comparison with W950 and W960 I think. Else you could've compared W980 allso
But that one doesn't feature a touch screen, does it?
ya but certainly not a dumb OS like w980i for sure
[ This Message was edited by: famous12 on 2008-06-26 22:18 ]
Posted by _vAmpiRe_
UIQ is not dead (just the name)... The Symbian Foundation (SF) needs UIQ to implement touch to S60... SF is making Symbian an open scource, so it's up to each phone company to do what they will with it... I'll bet you will still see differences wether it's a
or Nokia from the phone menus..
SF makes Symbian a FREE OS, so we can expect cheaper phones in the future... I just wonder how much cheaper the X1 would have been with royalty-free Symbian compared to WM...
Posted by bavlondon2
There is already Tube (s60 touch) waiting to be announced and judging from the demo video what we have seen so far it doesnt look like UIQ as we know it will be adding anything at all to it.
Posted by laurenke01
On 2008-06-26 22:22:54, bavlondon2 wrote:
I think after all the crap we have had to put up with over the years this is the best thing that could have happened for SE. They are going to use new hardware and they will be using the most popular software. Its a win win situation for us all.
Frankly, I think so too. Even if it's just strictly S60, I happen to like S60 and wouldn't have a problem with that at all--an S60 device with an SE battery and specs--love it. But since the core will be open-source, it may be based on S60, but SE will modify it to their liking which means it will be even better. Plus with S60 Touch on the horizon, it means touchscreen is definitely on the table.
I've never used UIQ before, granted, but it looks like a great system. However, I agree this is needed for the greater good, as it were. Look what SE did/is trying to do with WM. They'll be able to do that with S60 or whatever it'll be called and still have their signature on it.
[ This Message was edited by: laurenke01 on 2008-06-26 22:46 ]
Posted by makbil
On 2008-06-26 22:32:07, bavlondon2 wrote:
So dont buy it then. UIQ is dead for SE and Nokia havent yet released S60 touch so I dont know what you are expecting.
Simple. UIQ contribution to the foundation will be with touch screen technology. So after about 2 years we should have a number of Symbian touch screen devices to choose from, the more the better for us. I was just commenting that this development is bad for SE, it takes out their leverage - not that I care too much at this point.
Posted by makbil
On 2008-06-26 23:34:25, _vAmpiRe_ wrote:
... SF is making Symbian an open scource, so it's up to each phone company to do what they will with it... I'll bet you will still see differences wether it's a
or Nokia from the phone menus..
You'll see a lot of difference on my P990's menu compared to other P990s
So that's not a big deal.
Also remember that with the X1, rumor has it that the implementation of the menu by SE is what's causing the delay.
So when the dust settles there are only going to be 3 1/2 mobile OSs, WM, Symbian, Linux and the half Apple
Posted by bavlondon2
On 2008-06-26 23:45:16, laurenke01 wrote:
On 2008-06-26 22:22:54, bavlondon2 wrote:
I think after all the crap we have had to put up with over the years this is the best thing that could have happened for SE. They are going to use new hardware and they will be using the most popular software. Its a win win situation for us all.
Frankly, I think so too. Even if it's just strictly S60, I happen to like S60 and wouldn't have a problem with that at all--an S60 device with an SE battery and specs--love it. But since the core will be open-source, it may be based on S60, but SE will modify it to their liking which means it will be even better. Plus with S60 Touch on the horizon, it means touchscreen is definitely on the table.
I've never used UIQ before, granted, but it looks like a great system. However, I agree this is needed for the greater good, as it were. Look what SE did/is trying to do with WM. They'll be able to do that with S60 or whatever it'll be called and still have their signature on it.
[ This Message was edited by: laurenke01 on 2008-06-26 22:46 ]
Firstly what is there to suggest SE would automatically make somthing Nokia have better?
Secondly X1 is still the same WM 6.1 as any other wm 6.1 device. As akshay has said many times those things on top like the X1 screens and touchflo3d are all just skins and are not deep down real changes. Are you happy with skin deep changes or do you want a proper full interface?
Whatever SE bring out one thing is for sure, it will be far better than what they would have produced had they kept on the same track.
On 2008-06-26 23:49:28, makbil wrote:
On 2008-06-26 22:32:07, bavlondon2 wrote:
So dont buy it then. UIQ is dead for SE and Nokia havent yet released S60 touch so I dont know what you are expecting.
Simple. UIQ contribution to the foundation will be with touch screen technology. So after about 2 years we should have a number of Symbian touch screen devices to choose from, the more the better for us. I was just commenting that this development is bad for SE, it takes out their leverage - not that I care too much at this point.
But again I have to ask what can UIQ contribute to touch screen if Nokia have developed S60 touch without them? Im sure much of the new UI will be S60 focused anyway.
Posted by makbil
The question here is whether Nokia has been able to successfully develop a touch screen interface. The fact that it's still not available makes me suspect that they are having some problems with it. On the other hand, UIQ has a proven and well working touch interface which will be their contribution to the SF. In return, SE will be able to use the S60 touch without royalties. If Nokia already has touch capability why would they be doing SE such a big favor?
Posted by laurenke01
On 2008-06-27 00:04:08, bavlondon2 wrote:
Firstly what is there to suggest SE would automatically make somthing Nokia have better?
Where did I say that? I didn't. I said that an SE-optimized and retooled S60 (or whatever is used) would be "better" than a plain, standard, stock S60. And, yes, skins are fine.
Similarly, a Nokia-optimized S60 (or whatever) interface will be better than the stock version.
[ This Message was edited by: laurenke01 on 2008-06-26 23:39 ]
Posted by famous12
anyone have any idea when Opera Mobile 9.5 will be released ? ?
Posted by ares
http://www.uiqblog.com/2008/0[....]a-95-mobile-release-15th-july/
Posted by famous12
On 2008-06-27 00:53:30, ares wrote:
http://www.uiqblog.com/2008/0[....]a-95-mobile-release-15th-july/
thanks
Posted by bavlondon2
On 2008-06-27 00:31:38, makbil wrote:
The question here is whether Nokia has been able to successfully develop a touch screen interface. The fact that it's still not available makes me suspect that they are having some problems with it. On the other hand, UIQ has a proven and well working touch interface which will be their contribution to the SF. In return, SE will be able to use the S60 touch without royalties. If Nokia already has touch capability why would they be doing SE such a big favor?
You will find out soon with tube. Just remember tube is not even the flagship but from what we have seen in the demo vid it looks more impressive than my current P1.
Posted by makbil
@ares, I think that's good news and possibly bad news at the same time.
It looks like Opera 9.5 may be freely available, at least the beta version seems to be. However, with the recent developments I'm concerned that they may decide not to waste their energy on a UIQ3 version.
Posted by iqtidar
eomer also said that esato members will be foaming our mouth with next year's product.
Posted by bodeh6
So are we going to see any smartphones from SE released this year other then the G700/G900 or is the C905 the smartest phone from SE this year?
Posted by BoyBawang
On 2008-06-27 01:37:28, iqtidar wrote:
eomer also said that esato members will be foaming our mouth with next year's product.
He also said it'll probably be S60. no touchscreen LOL!
does this mean no more Hecaro?
Posted by bavlondon2
On 2008-06-27 01:41:15, bodeh6 wrote:
So are we going to see any smartphones from SE released this year other then the G700/G900 or is the C905 the smartest phone from SE this year?
Next year not this year.
On 2008-06-27 02:54:35, BoyBawang wrote:
On 2008-06-27 01:37:28, iqtidar wrote:
eomer also said that esato members will be foaming our mouth with next year's product.
He also said it'll probably be S60. no touchscreen LOL!
does this mean no more Hecaro?
Judging from his other comments there probably was no Hecaro to begin with.
Also just found this article:
http://mobilementalism.com/20[....]-but-woes-only-just-beginning/
Will Sony Ericsson be the next Motorola?
Interestingly, there's another company out there who are also in danger of going down the same route: Sony Ericsson. Their profits have fallen by 47% in the first few months of 2008, caused largely by a range of phones last year that were simply uninspiring.
After a raft of successes with their Walkman and CyberShot phones, the company simply released yet more versions of the same thing. It became boring to write about, and reading the forums it became evident that other mobile phone users (and even people passionate about Sony Ericsson) felt the same way. Sony Ericsson, too, it seemed, were guilty of resting on their laurels while Nokia, Samsung and LG upped their game.
[ This Message was edited by: bavlondon2 on 2008-06-27 08:30 ]
Posted by ares
Here´s an interview regarding that shows some clues regarding UIQ´s rule on the symbian foundation:
http://www.symbianone.com/content/view/5581/
Posted by Tigershark42
Eomer can be right, and for all I know he probably is. But what do I care whats coming out in the middle of next year? If anyones gonna do some long term waiting, they may aswell wait for Symbian foundation then, which will have THE BEST specs that these contributing manufacturers want to offer us in smartphones. It will surely outshine whatever we will see next year. What we will see next year will only be an intermediate, outdated in a year. Its more logical then to get a smartphone now and live out the wait with something that wont be outdated for 2 years
Then move on to Symbian foundation.
I personally think Symbian foundation is a double-edged sword.
On the one hand its good that its open source, one consistent platform, huge variety of apps resulting, everyone is running the same thing, so huge amount of competition, so we will see more of what we want to see in the way of great devices.
However, the negative impact of this is that SE has always been able to turn around and say 'yes, well, thats all great for you Mr Nokia, but does your smartphone have a touchscreen to it?'. SE wont have that advantage OVER the competitors anymore, so will SE devices be as popular then, or will we experience more of an unfortunate shift towards Nokia, then? I think SE has a touch of quality Nokia will never have, so Ill most likely want to stick with SE. But how will the rest of the market respond? It sounds interesting.
I suppose it was only a matter of time before SE's competitors also invested in the same technology, though. And the same will go for Apple with touch UIs, but I think a time may come when specs of other devices will get the better of the iphone (they cant keep beefing the specs up while keeping it as thin forever
And if the iphone is no longer suitable for the fashion conscious, then it is suitable for none IMO). [ This Message was edited by: Tigershark42 on 2008-06-27 10:01 ]
Posted by tob!s
Poplover, when do you post the Hecaro-Pics?
And how many does Linda kost, when you can buy it?
Tobi
Posted by BoyBawang
His statement suggests that no more new UIQ models. Although SE will continue to ship existing ones.
It's likely that the SE Pnext will be equiped with touchscreenless s60.
It will rival against Nokias Tube series with touchscreens.
What a twist of fate LOL!
Posted by Phoner
Here is a quote from the link Ares posted.
"Q: So what will happen to UIQ Technology?
Ulf Wretling, general manager and head of the developer program and communications at Sony Ericsson:
We will continue to ship UIQ phones for quite some time and Motorola has publicly said it will do the same. So nothing will be stopping immediately. Over time of course we will be moving to the Symbian Foundation platform."
So, I guess it means we will all see the next UIQ smartphones.
Posted by doministry
On 2008-06-27 11:27:43, Phoner wrote:
Here is a quote from the link Ares posted.
"Q: So what will happen to UIQ Technology?
Ulf Wretling, general manager and head of the developer program and communications at Sony Ericsson:
We will continue to ship UIQ phones for quite some time and Motorola has publicly said it will do the same. So nothing will be stopping immediately. Over time of course we will be moving to the Symbian Foundation platform."
So, I guess it means we will all see the next UIQ smartphones.
Hmmm, this can either mean that will see a new UiQ, or, as stated, they will continue shipping existing devices, what is true - G700/900 will be shipped for a next year maybe, they're new products.
So it's by no means obvious that they will make a new UiQ device. And even if YES, I think it won't be anything so great - they just stopped investing in UiQ. The article above says "nothing will stop immediately" what means that things HAS STOPPED. So what, they stopped and than release a highend device?? Nonsense, if they didn't do that before.
And I also wrote before - SE has a huge income drop, what also matters!!!
P.S. As I know, there's nothing from UiQ now in the pipeline.
Posted by Tigershark42
I doubt theyd develop a new one. I think they can hold out on UIQ 3.3 for long enough. Its not like they release that many device on it anyway, the frequency of them will be low enough. It would be a waste of time for anyone to come up with a new UIQ now, but of course, they may be nearly at the finishing stages of one, we dont know that.
Posted by Phoner
On 2008-06-27 11:56:28, Tigershark42 wrote:
It would be a waste of time for anyone to come up with a new UIQ now, but of course, they may be nearly at the finishing stages of one, we dont know that.
That is exactly for what I am hoping.
[ This Message was edited by: Phoner on 2008-06-27 11:41 ]
Posted by doministry
On 2008-06-27 12:35:16, Phoner wrote:
On 2008-06-27 11:56:28, Tigershark42 wrote:
It would be a waste of time for anyone to come up with a new UIQ now, but of course, they may be nearly at the finishing stages of one, we dont know that.
That is exactly for what I am hoping.
[ This Message was edited by: Phoner on 2008-06-27 11:41 ]
??? They just had TWO devices at finishing stages and canceled them!!! Paris was in developement for over a year.
So what are you hoping for?
That they also have another one in another room? It's a bit crazy man.
"Nothing will stop immediately" from the article above means things go slowly DOWN, not UP,
and a new Pseries would be in fact a big thing, which is not hinted by anyone.
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
On 2008-06-27 13:15:47, doministry wrote:
On 2008-06-27 12:35:16, Phoner wrote:
On 2008-06-27 11:56:28, Tigershark42 wrote:
It would be a waste of time for anyone to come up with a new UIQ now, but of course, they may be nearly at the finishing stages of one, we dont know that.
That is exactly for what I am hoping.
[ This Message was edited by: Phoner on 2008-06-27 11:41 ]
??? They just had TWO devices at finishing stages and canceled them!!! Paris was in developement for over a year.
So what are you hoping for?
That they also have another one in another room? It's a bit crazy man.
"Nothing will stop immediately" from the article above means things go slowly DOWN, not UP,
and a new Pseries would be in fact a big thing, which is not hinted by anyone.
Are you serious? Almost all phones are in development for over a year. Thats nothing different to the normal for any company. And yes they do have other high spec phones being developed in other rooms. They develop several different phones at a time to be tested and only a select few make it to the market. Just because we knew about Paris didn't mean it was sure to be released. Like Mizzle and a few others have outlined recently, we know a lot more than we should know and that's why we become disappointed. I think you need to calm down, you're one of the most aggravated members in this thread along with bavlondon2. Keep calm, its not the end of the world, its the start of a new thing.
Posted by ares
This explains alot
http://tinyurl.com/4qb3a6