The All New Sony Ericsson Portfolio for 2008

Posted by Tigershark42
If this is going to take so long to develop, then whats going to happen between now and the time its released? Are the companies going to release no symbian based smartphones? Are they going to continue releasing them anyway on old software which is going to wear out soon? Hmmmn its a great thing Paris and Beibei we cancelled, and no wonder too, this was going on behind the scenes.

[ This Message was edited by: Tigershark42 on 2008-06-24 10:56 ]

Posted by >500
lets keep the symbian foundation discussion in the dedicated thread........ unless of course people know anything about the devices which will feature it.

until then, lets keep it on current

rumours please

Posted by ares

If this is going to take so long to develop, then whats going to happen between now and the time its released?

That´s the BIG question

Posted by ljf881
There was a leak about the SE/HTC phone around last new year. Since then we haven't heard anything substantial about other WM mobiles than the X1. Can we then assume that the only thing we can expect this year, and probably well into 2009 are OSE-phones (except for the X1)?

[ This Message was edited by: ljf881 on 2008-06-24 11:07 ]

Posted by Jimster71
Interesting times!

Posted by >500
im sure things are already in early planning stages.......

and there will be more uiq before then....

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Posted by Tigershark42
yea but is there much point buying a smartphone for that relatively short period of time? Especially when knowing its a dead end of a platform now and wont recieve any more support from the likes of 3rd party developers, etc. You know it wont improve at all after youve bought it. Kind of defeats the point of buying a smartphone IMO. Given this project, it makes sense that SE made the C905 the way they did. Now it feels more like a smartphone to fill that gap somewhat.

Posted by apolloa
LOL, I just just love how people are 'selectively' choosing various news snippets to try and prove 'it's the end of UIQ for ever!'

Er, you very dumb to think that. UIQ will play a massive part in the new platform, just what other touch screen Symbian tech do you think they have? It probably won't be anything like it is now and it won't be called UIQ but neither will S60 be around any more. So I could say it's the end of S60 for ever also.

Roll on device launch in (3 years) with an OS that works like a phone first and can cope with recording video and sending MMS

Posted by Tigershark42
No thats all well and good. But I want a smartphone NOW! Ill worry about 2 years time in 2 years time. All I know is that a P-series successor is overdue now, and this news just means that on the long term it will be dead before it hits the ground.

Posted by Muhammad-Oli
@Tigershark: For you who keeps his phone for several years before moving on, then maybe you would see it this way. But 2010 is two years away and for the majority of Esato users, I'd say they'd have one or two phones between now and then so there's nothing wrong with buying say a G900 now.

Posted by ljf881

Quote:

On 2008-06-24 12:58:30, Tigershark42 wrote:
No thats all well and good. But I want a smartphone NOW! Ill worry about 2 years time in 2 years time.

In this thread we worry about 2-10 years time

Seriously though, I agree, it's too early to think about what will happen in two years. Q4 for the X1 is sooo far away...

Posted by Tigershark42

On 2008-06-24 13:03:51, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
@Tigershark: For you who keeps his phone for several years before moving on, then maybe you would see it this way. But 2010 is two years away and for the majority of Esato users, I'd say they'd have one or two phones between now and then so there's nothing wrong with buying say a G900 now.

True.

Posted by ljf881

Quote:

On 2008-06-24 12:52:08, apolloa wrote:
LOL, I just just love how people are 'selectively' choosing various news snippets to try and prove 'it's the end of UIQ for ever!'

Well, the "various news snippets" are actually from an official white paper from Symbian Foundation. It clearly stated that the UI-part Symbian Foundation will be built on S60 with selected components from UIQ.
The "new snippet" that UIQ probably will sack 200 of their 375 employees was official information from the company itself.

Posted by badassmam
Lot of people over-reacting to this news. People are assuming that Nokia, Moto and SE will have an identical looking OS and there will be no differences. There will be differences just like X1 has panels and HTC has TF3D. Each company will have their own version that they will develop to make it unique. I think this is good because you are getting S60 input as well. More apps will be available if the OS is standardised. Anyways, it's is ages away from full implementation so why worry now?

I'm interested in the next P series, Nokia will be directly competing with their TS devices so are we going to see it this year? How about a TS Walkman? Also, in the Paris video we saw that widget thing showing the weather and something similar on Alicia. Will SE be using this on most phones or what? If it is on both UIQ and A200, it illustrates my point above.

A lot of new proto names popping up but most are supposedly Walkmans. What about Xperia? Are any of the testers playing with the Java video device currently ('Yes' will make my day)?

Posted by makbil
This is definitely not good news for SE. First of all, they are loosing their only leverage against Nokia, touch screen. It looks like HTC Touch pro will be the winner in a couple of months since SE will probably not have any comparable devices by then...
How about this, SE breaks up, Sony goes back to producing very attractive walkmans and Ericsson teams up with HTC, HTCE

Posted by domipost
Noooooo, I don't like the "SE breaks up" thing

Posted by BoyBawang
I'm not interested about this OS thing. Let them do their business. All i wan't is the P-next! any news about P10?

Posted by Sliderse

On 2008-06-24 15:01:13, makbil wrote:
How about this, SE breaks up, Sony goes back to producing very attractive walkmans and Ericsson teams up with HTC, HTCE

I dont think this will be the end of the Sony and Ericsson marrige, I think with the X1 they have shown where they will put all their attentions on in the future. Dont be surprised if Win Mobile is the platform of choice from now on.

Posted by doministry

On 2008-06-24 16:07:42, BoyBawang wrote:
I'm not interested about this OS thing. Let them do their business. All i wan't is the P-next! any news about P10?

Yes, bad news,
don't expect anything soon..

Posted by Tigershark42
I remember a slide show presentation by Mats Pettersson, Vice President, Platform Planning, SE, where he gave the predicted specs of SEs flagshp for 2010. Heres some of the main features:
-Quadband GSM
-8MP Camera + Optical zoom
-WVGA 30fps video recording
-any codec music player
-video telephony
-ARM 11 @400 MHz+ ARM 9 processor
-WLAN 802.11 a/b/g/n
-Bluetooth + UWB
-Multiple cards+ 8 GB built-in memory
-TV, GPS, Compass, NFC, RF-ID, Accelerometer etc
-100 x 40 x 12mm

That is all straight out of the horses mouth. Now of course, things may change, it looks like processors may have already changed, but my point is, if they want to reach these targets, and have the device just 12mm thick aswell, this Symbian Foundation would have to be some fairly hefty stuff to enable some of these things to be possible.

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Posted by BoyBawang
Back to the main topic.. Pop Lover will soon show us P10 with UIQ

Posted by doministry
i

On 2008-06-24 16:27:05, Tigershark42 wrote:
I remember a slide show presentation by Mats Pettersson, Vice President, Platform Planning, SE, where he gave the predicted specs of SEs flagshp for 2010. Heres some of the main features:
-Quadband GSM
-8MP Camera + Optical zoom
-WVGA 30fps video recording
-any codec music player
-video telephony
-ARM 11 @400 MHz+ ARM 9 processor
-WLAN 802.11 a/b/g/n
-Bluetooth + UWB
-Multiple cards+ 8 GB built-in memory
-TV, GPS, Compass, NFC, RF-ID, Accelerometer etc
-100 x 40 x 12mm

That is all straight out of the horses mouth. Now of course, things may change, it looks like processors may have already changed, but my point is, if they want to reach these targets, and have the device just 12mm thick aswell, this Symbian Foundation would have to be some fairly hefty stuff to enable some of these things to be possible.

[ This Message was edited by: Tigershark42 on 2008-06-24 15:28 ]

Buhahaha!
2010? Awesome!
And what until then?
Guys, I think it's time to forget SE smartphones forever (or for years). If this news will be confirmed - I mean the CONSEQUENCES of that - I'm selling my P990 in one week and just start investing in some more SURE future, or more REAL, like WM maybe....Which develops fast. I cannot believe SE fcuked it SOOOO MUCH!!! Bravo. Suck my a..!
And I don't want Nokia....
As I know, nothing to wait for from SE smartphones for a long time...
They're just good at A platform.

Posted by badassmam
So, is the P10 a slider with qwerty or not?

Posted by Jimster71
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Posted by shyam335

That will sound less than average for a flagship in 2010.
WVGA recording - soon in lg (and perhaps nokia too)
As usual, they lag 2 generations (cortex-a9 will be out by then!)

Posted by doministry
Embrassing shame, hard to believe.
Is anybody here seriously considering UiQ/SE beeing in a real developement now?
'Cos maybe I'm missing something?
Maybe it's all so positive?

Posted by darknoob
I know 1 more handset with 5mpx af is coming..

Since we have already 2 handset cyber shot with 5mpx and only one based symbian with 5mpx.

could it mean the next one will be symbian based?

[ This Message was edited by: darknoob on 2008-06-24 17:25 ]

Posted by goldenface
@darknoob

Isn't Patty supposed to be a 5.0MP AF Walkman feature-phone?

Posted by domipost
I hope for walkman

Posted by BoyBawang
It is stated that the new Symbian OS is backward compatible only to Nokia s60v3 apps and not to UIQ3.

If that's the case, it will make the future SE handsets with that OS to be also compatible with old s60v3 apps or even s60 touch apps(?)

Also, there's nothing wrong if SE will modify the new OS for their own handsets for UIQ3 compatibility.

Posted by darknoob

On 2008-06-24 18:42:29, goldenface wrote:
@darknoob

Isn't Patty supposed to be a 5.0MP AF Walkman feature-phone?

hmm yep It could be Patty,since mid-end has 3.2mpx(linda) and Patty is high-end.

lets wait for the announcement:)

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Posted by Tigershark42
Which will be when? I thought PK said this year we'd see a storm, with lots of UIQ devices. That is hardly the case. Weve got high spec in the X1, G900 is okay, but what comes after that one? and when? Its not a storm if all we ever do is wait around.

[ This Message was edited by: Tigershark42 on 2008-06-24 19:02 ]

Posted by siker
Interest ing interview with Ulf Wretling, general manager and head of the developer program at Sony Ericsson today on the announcement of the new Symbian mobile platform, and the new f series, check the link below.

http://www.techradar.com/news[....]-mobile-industry-change-402157

Posted by rss_ndrsn

On 2008-06-24 19:48:19, Tigershark42 wrote:
Which will be when? I thought PK said this year we'd see a storm, with lots of UIQ devices. That is hardly the case. Weve got high spec in the X1, G900 is okay, but what comes after that one? and when? Its not a storm if all we ever do is wait around.

[ This Message was edited by: Tigershark42 on 2008-06-24 19:02 ]

Maybe the storm he is pertaining to is the last UIQ phone. The one that will have all the features we had hoped for. If we look back few years ago, whe n Sony discotinued the Clie series, they equipped the last device with unrival features. The great camera, brilliant OLED display and power efficient cpu to name a few. Since Sony Ericsson is related to Sony, I think they will do the same for UIQ. SE will wave goodbye to UIQ with a "BANG."

Posted by darknoob
Linda
-walkman branded
-slider
-3.2mp fixed focus no flash
-walkman 3 + the improved A200
- one of its colour reminds "Magnetic Grey" of W380
-squared design unlike rounded W760

Posted by breccia

but no jack and 16 M colors yet!

Posted by bigyogamuffin
I SEnse a storm coming

PK's prediction was right all along!!!!!

Posted by m.h Croatia
Gimme a break!

Posted by Creid
maybe sony ericsson could explain the whole uiq dead news, to reasure its bewilderd customers before they all leave

Posted by NightBlade

On 2008-06-24 21:01:21, darknoob wrote:
Linda
-walkman branded
-slider
-3.2mp fixed focus no flash
-walkman 3 + the improved A200
- one of its colour reminds "Magnetic Grey" of W380
-squared design unlike rounded W760

Wouldn't they at least put AF and a flash for a difference?

Posted by makbil

On 2008-06-24 16:13:22, Sliderse wrote:
Dont be surprised if Win Mobile is the platform of choice from now on.

Possibly. But Symbian+UIQ (touch screen) was the reason why I was going along with SE. Nokia have announced that the new platform will be backwards compatible with S60, no such luck for UIQ.
If I decide to go WM way, there are a number of companies with plenty of experience with WM.
Now, why would I choose a SE smartphone for the next 2-3 years? It seems like a lost cause. SE will be the big looser here unless they very quickly take steps to reassure people that they are here to stay in the game.

Posted by clauf
I believe there a presentation by Sony Ericsson a while ago with one of the slides having a diagram that said Sony Ericsson will be exploring into different operating system for their phones including Windows Mobile and S60.

Anyway I think the biggest loser of this Symbian merger is Motorola. After purchasing shares of UIQ just recently, now they are giving it away? Hmm...

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Posted by jalf

On 2008-06-24 21:09:03, bigyogamuffin wrote:
I SEnse a storm coming

PK's prediction was right all along!!!!!

this is not PK's storm! he was talking about other storm... (i think!)

Posted by moogoo
I have faith in se. They will undoubtedly suprise us all in the end. I've always been a sony fan through good times and bad. Naturally i will quick with se until there is official and consistent proof that they are not the company i have grown to love

Posted by Tigershark42
If Paris came out now the way it was, just with a better CPU, I think I would probably still buy it. It still had most of the specs alot of us are looking for. Until Symbian Foundation actually is seen on the market and isnt just all talk, we may aswell leave aside our ideal specs. That said, I have a feeling foundation will bring us something that is very very close to what we're looking for.

Posted by moogoo
Ya know...

After reading the news article on the website, it doesn't seem as bad as everyone in the past few pages has been hinting at.

First of all, the announcement is essentially a merger between SE and other companies to create an open source Symbian. Undoubtedly this is to compete with Android and the other open source mobile platform (i can't think of the name) that is out there.

I don't see this as the death of UIQ. Not at the least bit. It will still be Symbian and the UI will most likely be very similar to UIQ. The article specifically says that SE and Moto will be contributing their UIQ research and dev to the foundation. Therefore, it is not death of UIQ. At the worst, it will receive a new name, but I think UIQ will remain.

Reading that article, I don't see the death of anything, but the opening up of trade secrets, patents, and r&d notes to create a platform that will maximize innovation, features and experience for the user.

I see it as a good thing, and it does not, and should not imo, discourage me from purchasing a UIQ device between now and when the Symbian foundation phone will be released. Living in the states, it is rare for me to even get support for my SE phone, as i can't even get updates from the update service anyway!

IMHO, i see this as a step forward and for the benefit of us all.

Posted by my ninja
sorry ive been away, and it looks like theres been some information these past 5 days that ive been MIA, well not MIA but completely taken with the TouchPro from HTC (if an american version with QuadBand HSM and TriBand HSDPA at the quoted 7.2 ever appear, ill be outta this backwards thinking hell hole ... which is eerily like the proposed flagship for 2010 and pretty much the X1 with better lines and bigger battery)

i think this announcement is HUGE! this is GREAT news, especially for highend phones the market has just been busted wide open. Android will have numerous partners but Symbian is already the leading OS on smartphones, with Nokia leading the pack. So its safe to assume that the unification can only bring the software package in line with the other OS' such as android. some of you are looking at this like day 2, or day 3. they have YEARS of research and knowledge and penetration over android, look how long it took for us to see SE advertise for a UIQ developer for a CS phone till we got capuchin ... a year. How long did it take from announcement to fruition with the C905 1 or 2 months, trust me moves were being made before you heard about it, when the FIRST android products are supposed to hit Q4, and coincidently 2 unannounced UIQ devices get panned ... a week before such a heavy announcement.

were in for something pretty sweet if you ask me. and im the pessimist.

X1 vs Touch Pro ... opinions?

[ This Message was edited by: my ninja on 2008-06-25 01:28 ]

Posted by moogoo
My thoughts exactly. I don't understand why everyone is so disappointed. It's great news for all.

Posted by doministry
@my ninja
It's simple - HTC.
Don't trust SE anymore. I'm not going to invest again into unclear and stupid company. Just look - all the bad rumours became real. It can't be worse.

Posted by doministry

On 2008-06-25 02:29:00, moogoo wrote:
My thoughts exactly. I don't understand why everyone is so disappointed. It's great news for all.

But what is great news? That Nokia will be the main owner and beneficient of all of it.?
Or maybe the fact that you will wait a year to buy a new UiQ device?
Or maybe the fact that SE is leaving UiQ in an polite way?