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The All New Sony Ericsson Portfolio for 2008
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Posted by Luci'sPower
dream on!.......they don't care
Posted by Pop Lover
On 2008-06-21 16:48:35, Luci'sPower wrote:
dream on!.......they don't care
I think they are care .. 
Posted by pavlov's_dog
I think SE should really consider making a mid/high-end touch sensitive Cybershot candybar phone based on UIQ3.3. It'd sell very well.
It isn't very difficult to make, imho. Just get a G900, flash it to 3.3, a nip and tuck here and there, throw in a bigger and better 5.0 MPx camera module and a xenon flash. Voila. A bestseller, without competing directly with either C905 or G900.
If SE wants to bring UIQ back to life, especially now that it's become more user-friendly, I say they should continue marketing it as a "normal" phone solution like Nokia does for their S60. And to take things further, as aforementioned, the Cybershot and Walkman branding would help a lot.
[ This Message was edited by: pavlov's_dog on 2008-06-21 16:10 ]
Posted by Tigershark42
Well I would never blame Eldar for this at all. On the contrary, I appreicate him. Hes someone in this industry with alot of experience and his opinion does indeed matter. But you must also take what he sais with a pinch of salt, because, after all, he criticizes alot, its his job as a reviewer and a critic within the community/industry. If I were him Id also point out every little potential flaw here and there. Makes him sound rather pessimistic at times, but hey, if his words were the be all end all then noone would have a mobile, for all the faults in it. And yet my mobile works fine. Hes just given us his valued opinion on the matter.
@Mizzle: am I supposed to take that as a compliment or something 
lol! Great G900 review, by the way
(BTW, now that we are on the topic of discussing esato itself, Id like to know why I cant change my phone icon to my W350. All the new phones are there but mine 
)
On Se-nse:
"At the site of Sony Ericsson has information on a mobile device with an index of P200. . True, it is not on the official announcements, but only on a file user profile. GSM/GPRS WCDMA, QWERTY. The document can be found mention of support for standards connection GSM / GPRS and WCDMA, permit the display - 240 h320 points and QWERTY-keyboard.
In addition, as reported resource Unwiredview, on the numbering scheme Sony Ericsson - a monoblock (0 at the end of the index). Although some sources believe that the P200 - a smartphone, formerly known as Paris. . Recall, according to preliminary data - a slider from 5 - Mp camera and GPS-receiver, running Symbian UIQ 3.3."
[ This Message was edited by: Tigershark42 on 2008-06-21 16:19 ]
Posted by xell
Eldar often has his mind right, but regarding this:
On 2008-06-21 17:16:21, Tigershark42 wrote:
But you must also take what he sais with a pinch of salt, because, after all, he criticizes alot, its his job as a reviewer and a critic within the community/industry.
, my favourite quote is this:
8 mpx foto flagman is not so good
More camera than phone... People dont like it.
Posted by Mizzle
Compliment, indeed 
... and thank you
Posted by Tigershark42
Posted by gordonowusu
On 2008-06-21 17:26:13, xell wrote:
Eldar often has his mind right, but regarding this:
">8 mpx foto flagman is not so good
More camera than phone... People dont like it.
CAN YOU POST A LINK TO THAT REVIEW.
THANKS
Posted by xell
Here you go: http://forum2.mobile-review.c[....]st.php?p=697950&postcount=4835
Posted by G-Izzat
He also said that N85 would beat the C905. Isn't the N85 just 5mp?
Posted by bavlondon2
On 2008-06-21 19:14:09, G-Izzat wrote:
He also said that N85 would beat the C905. Isn't the N85 just 5mp?
N85 isnt even an imaging flagship. Its the sucessor to the N81. WVGA screen i think.
Posted by G-Izzat
Then I guess the N85 he's talking about isn't the N85 that has it's own thread here in the Rumors section, because that one has only 5MP camera and doesn't even have a WVGA screen.
But I really doubt if it even has WVGA screen.
Posted by bavlondon2
On 2008-06-21 19:19:28, G-Izzat wrote:
Then I guess the N85 he's talking about isn't the N85 that has it's own thread here in the Rumors section, because that one has only 5MP camera and doesn't even have a WVGA screen.
But I really doubt if it even has WVGA screen.
It does. Well I dont know for sure but Eldars word is god enough. Its not like if someone on here is hyping something up - its the real deal.
There was one other phone Eldar mentioned that that will beat the C905. Its 5MP but its using improved optics of some sort. This is what most are waiting for.
Posted by apolloa
Why are we believing what some unknown person on another forum has to say then? When no one has seen this mystery Nokia? At least on here you can see photos taken with the X1 etc. Did we ever get any Paris camera shots on here though?
Sorry, just find it very hard to believe anything can knock this cybershot. 8Mbpx and Karl Zeis lens and from reports the firmware updates being applied are fixing more and more of the apparent flaws in the photos. (Pics look stunning to me as they are)
EDIT: Oh, it's Eldar from here? Does he work for Sony Ericsson? Or Nokia? Or is it just his personal views?
[ This Message was edited by: apolloa on 2008-06-21 18:49 ]
Posted by ashyk36
Would the new paris keep the same as the old 1.
Secondly maybe they thought if the c905 has such great specs how could they release paris atleast not matching them
Posted by Yakkaimono
About the "N85". It's not gonna have WVGA but WQVGA.
Posted by bavlondon2
On 2008-06-21 19:47:22, apolloa wrote:
Why are we believing what some unknown person on another forum has to say then? When no one has seen this mystery Nokia? At least on here you can see photos taken with the X1 etc. Did we ever get any Paris camera shots on here though?
Sorry, just find it very hard to believe anything can knock this cybershot. 8Mbpx and Karl Zeis lens and from reports the firmware updates being applied are fixing more and more of the apparent flaws in the photos. (Pics look stunning to me as they are)
EDIT: Oh, it's Eldar from here? Does he work for Sony Ericsson? Or Nokia? Or is it just his personal views?
[ This Message was edited by: apolloa on 2008-06-21 18:49 ]
Pics of the N85 were leaked ages ago.
Posted by apolloa
Well reading through this thread, seeing the different posts. I utterly believe that the Paris and BeiBei were never meant to be launched, just a test for people to see what they were like. To get public reaction. I totally expect them to be in SE's labs with new hardware and old hardware running the UIQ3.3 platform and UIQ3.1. I mean these are prototypes, devices used to test things. SE aren't going to tell anyone what is in there labs.
Therefore I also totally believe that this research has not gone to waste, and we WILL get a new top end phone running the newest UIQ with a very high spec camera and new hardware. SE managed to keep the X1 totally secret before launch, did it ever appear on here in any rumour before launch? So I have faith the SE know what they are doing, they are after something new and exciting like the C905. Not the same old boring Nokia in new dressings hahaha. But whilst Nokia has run out of things to put in a phone, SE has plenty of room to launch a killer phone yet.
EDIT: Oh that N85, I take it it will be the house brick the N93 was then? With optical Zoom. And I assume that post was just Eldars own opinion then?
[ This Message was edited by: apolloa on 2008-06-21 19:02 ]
Posted by ares
apoloa, thatīs my point all the way, paris cancelation (or not), i mean, that paris with same old processor, does not mean they werenīt developing other projects with newer hardware at the same time
Posted by Drasko
You are totally right! Someone in SE know very good their job in business way of research.
But in technically way of research they are beginners in the center of the World (firm in the London my god).
Mass production of cars sorry phones is their only research! Two or three mistakes like R380, P800 and P910 with the try of good phones (and expensive) they correct very quickly in this year with the bunch of entertainment craps!
Good by my dear SE!
Posted by makbil
On 2008-06-21 21:25:33, Drasko wrote:
...Two or three mistakes like R380, P800 and P910 with the try of good phones (and expensive) they correct very quickly in this year with the bunch of entertainment craps!
Do I understand you correctly? P910 was one of the best phones SE ever produced and they still haven't been able to match the level of that phone with respect to the time it was launched. Similarly, P800 was revolutionary when it was launched, something SE hasn't been able to achieve in the past 2+ years.
Posted by carkitter
I think SE are good at taking thier UIQ phones too far down one particular path. For instance the P800 was great, as was the P900, the P910 was more of the same, then the P990 was one too many.
The M600 is getting old now and the P1i has similar styling but higher spec. I'm glad SE aren't going to go down the dead-end path which the P5 and G702 were taking them in terms of styling and functionality.
Perhaps this will leave room for SE to develop an 'iPhone killer'?
Posted by doministry
Guys, just stop this "iPhone killer",
There's nothing to fight with,
different cathegory.
Posted by NoTnERb
^I totally agree
Posted by carkitter
Exactly my point! Its a different category, one which according to this thread may capture 9% of the Japanese market and is of much interest around the world. Its a category Apple has all to itself ATM and I for one think SE should be in there too.
Posted by doministry
On 2008-06-22 03:09:15, carkitter wrote:
Exactly my point! Its a different category, one which according to
this thread may capture 9% of the Japanese market and is of much interest around the world. Its a category Apple has all to itself ATM and I for one think SE should be in there too.
If you talk about marketing and sales - yes.
If we talk about the product strategy - NO.
I would never like to have such a bull without balls (iPhone). This product lacks so many things and is intended for fashion mainly.
I want a fully featured smartphone, not something with great promises and many disappointments.
Pseries should stay as profi tool, which will never be a really mass-market device.
BUT if you talk about SE generally, I totally agree.
Posted by Robis
On 2008-06-21 14:44:32, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
The TM506 and Z780 are not the same phone but rebranded. You can see it by looking at them. They aren't the same shape.
To be honest I don't care if the TM506 is released - Its for the American market only - But I think it will be released. There's no reason for it not to be. Just because SE cancels two or three phones doesn't mean they're going to cancel all their current phones in development!
TM506 I think it's Z780 just made for T-Mobile and we can check the phone name: TM- T-Mobile, like V serie made for Vodafone
[ This Message was edited by: Robis on 2008-06-22 09:50 ]
Posted by clauf
On 2008-06-22 10:42:20, Robis wrote:
On 2008-06-21 14:44:32, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
The TM506 and Z780 are not the same phone but rebranded. You can see it by looking at them. They aren't the same shape.
To be honest I don't care if the TM506 is released - Its for the American market only - But I think it will be released. There's no reason for it not to be. Just because SE cancels two or three phones doesn't mean they're going to cancel all their current phones in development!
TM506 I think it's Z780 just made for T-Mobile and we can check the phone name: TM- T-Mobile, like V serie made for Vodafone
[ This Message was edited by: Robis on 2008-06-22 09:50 ]
No they are two different phones for sure. They may look very similar, but they are two different phones.
Posted by makbil
I respectfully and totally disagree from my own viewpoint. Walkman phones and such toys could be extremely good sellers but mean nothing to me, I would never have a shake feature on my least of requirements for a device.
I guess we will all have to modify our list on what is available to us but for me the starting specs of my smart phone would be around 3" touch screen, preferably a qwerty keyboard and reliable service options. (In all fairness, ever since my T39m days, at times it may take long but SE was able to either fix or replace my device without too much hassle).
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Yeah, just look at their keypads. They are different. Not the same phone.
Posted by carkitter
On 2008-06-22 10:08:06, doministry wrote:
If we talk about the product strategy - NO.
This will upset a few people but I'll say it anyway...
This from the first post in the Xperia X1 thread:
"“Our vision for the XPERIA™ X1 is to deliver a seamless blend of mobile Web communication and multimedia entertainment within a distinctive design,” said Rikko Sakaguchi, Head of Portfolio and Propositions, Sony Ericsson. “XPERIA™ is our promise to think foremost of user experience and to deliver the premium experience – anytime, anywhere, anything, with anyone.”
Sony Ericsson XPERIATM X1 – energised communication, the premium experience.
* Convergence of multimedia entertainment and mobile Web communication..."
That sounds to me like the concept behind the Apple iPhone - Communication, Multimedia, and above all, User experience. Therefore SE are thinking in the same direction as Apple with this new sub-brand. That does not mean that I think the X1 is like the iPhone, its not. But why can't SE produce a touchscreen phone with a focus on internet browsing, email, sequential txt, GPS, Walkman 3.0 and add the stuff the iPhone needs like Video recording, MMS and A2DP. A snapshot camera would be fine as this would not be a feature phone. This would fit into the Xperia brand well because the User experience would be the #1 focus as it is with the iPhone. The market would not be IT consultants and phone forum dwellers but people who are after a networking tool to keep in touch not only via voice and text, but via email, facebook/bebo and face to face via GPS. Probably women like my wife for instance.
Posted by tob!s
Pop-Lover,
we want to see Hecaro!
Tobi
_________________
i'm 15 years old, sorry for my mistakes!
[ This Message was edited by: tob!s on 2008-06-22 10:51 ]
Posted by xell
And just when I thought we could have nice discussions in this thread without the annoying and dumb "I WANT PICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111omgz0rz!" posts...
Posted by Tigershark42
Well, to put it all into some sort of perspective, what do we mean when we say 'Iphone killer'? My interpretation would be 'something thats better or preferable to the apple iphone'. But how so?
If we talk specs, P990 is already an iphone killer. N95 definately is.
If we talk about screens arguably X1 or HTC Touch Diamond may be preferable (not on paper, but which one really is nicer to look at in real life).
If we talk about aesthetics, SE have been thrashing apple all the way. To me SE usually have a fantastic range of designs complementing the nature of the product itself. To me, the iphone is far underdesigned to be a smartphone. I appreciate the design without buttons but to me, as a phone it is not nice to look at. Switch the screen off and the whole phone turns a beige colour lol!
So I think what people really mean when they say 'iphone killer' is that they want whatever specs they want from their device, but they want a pretty UI also with focus on 'ease of use' ( I wouldnt rate the iphone highly for useability myself, but anyway).
But this all comes down to my point- just because people say they want an 'iphone killer' doesnt mean they want it to look or seem exactly like one.
Like the above example with the X1. Ive seen it many times before, you could give 2, 5, 10, 20, 100 different companies the same specification of a product and a description of what you want it to be like, tell them to go away and design it, and by and large, they will all come back with something different. So it will be interesting to see how the other companies on the market react to this and make their own iterations of this device.
The problem with the iphone is that it is so unique, it has polarised a large number of people into belonging to a whole new market with very different expectations from a handset. Since manufacturers are all in competition, the others have no choice but to try and tap into that portion of the market in some way. Now this is where copying comes in. And when it does, you tend to see which companies are really innovative and which are just one big flop *cough cough n*kia tube cough*.
I suppose SE have taken their own direction, as they always do. They have learned a few little lessons from seeing the iphone, and have used a bit of that knowledge to tap into a different market. That market is the windows mobile market. If that isnt marketing genius, I dont know what is. Just when everyone releasing alike devices is being called and 'branded' as iclones, SE find a bigger and stronger new market to attract and strengthen and the X1 is evidence of stunning progress.
But anyway, we want to see what comes along with UIQ, for now. We can see lessons learnt from the iphones touch UI, but SE have been more careful to tiptoe around too much likeness, and have done it in their own style, so like a great singer, they have taken someone elses work and made it their own. We just wait for more evidence of great progress in the UIQ area now. G900 came, it was pretty good. The next to come should therefore be excellent (I suppose this where people had their gripes with Paris and Beibei- to me as a person wanting to buy a phone, I liked Paris very much- but clearly not everyone shared the same opinion).
[ This Message was edited by: Tigershark42 on 2008-06-22 11:08 ]
Posted by clauf
Well said Tigershark. Btw, I liked the Paris a lot too...
Posted by carkitter
Well I'm not sure people will be picking up the X1 in one hand, the iPhone in the other and thinking which one will I go for? There will be a major difference in price for a start. I think SE need to leave out a few features to allow a PAYG "iPhone Killer" to compete on price. It could run on WM or UIQ or A200 for all I care. It would just have to be priced below the X1 like the M600 sits below the P1i. I think SE could do a better iPhone than Apple, lets just hope Nokia don't do it first. 
@Xell
It's ok, I'm just throwing about some ideas I've been thinking of, not spoiling for a fight!
Posted by tob!s
But Nokia will announce the 5800 Xpress Music soon, the iPhone Killer?
Tobi
Posted by NightBlade
On 2008-06-22 14:38:11, tob!s wrote:
But Nokia will announce the 5800 Xpress Music soon, the iPhone Killer?
Hardly.
Posted by CrazyGuns
well atleast we know what nokia's new high end touch phone looks like... unlike in the case of 
....
Posted by makbil
On 2008-06-22 12:00:53, Tigershark42 wrote:
...I liked Paris very much- but clearly not everyone shared the same opinion).
Actually we do not have enough information to like or dislike Paris. If we believe some rumors that it is based on old technology, there is not much to like. I suspect this may be true simply because SE has cancelled it. However, it did have distinct disadvanteges such as a smaller screen and ofcourse a qwerty keyboard.
Posted by doministry
On 2008-06-22 16:34:35, makbil wrote:
On 2008-06-22 12:00:53, Tigershark42 wrote:
...I liked Paris very much- but clearly not everyone shared the same opinion).
Actually we do not have enough information to like or dislike Paris. If we believe some rumors that it is based on old technology, there is not much to like. I suspect this may be true simply because SE has cancelled it. However, it did have distinct disadvanteges such as a smaller screen and ofcourse a qwerty keyboard.
Cancellation can happen due to many different reasons.
It's absolutely doubtful that SE has worked for a year on weak specs and just now, in the last moment realized the "mistake". That's impossible.
Believe me, that's not that case.
Posted by londonlad123
So if Paris gets a new processor is everyone here is going to be happy? Is that all thats needed?
Posted by frank2345babies
just to advise the 5800 xpress music(tube) is not nokias highend touch device but just an interim device untill there touch flagship is released in 2009. i hope/believe SE are trying to develop one of there own. i know touchscreen is not the be all and end all but i think it is currently the best solution to having a large high quality screen on a suitably sized phone. if not for the iphones low spec sheet i would have one in a minute as it look a good solution for what the younger generation are using phones for ie ebooks,videos,internet annd music but all this talk about nokia and SE i think we shoul also take note of android which is creeping up and startingto look good
Posted by Pop Lover
My health is so good so far
[ This Message was edited by: Pop Lover on 2008-06-22 17:42 ]
Posted by Tigershark42
better not push your luck there, poppy, better safe than sorry with that post
Posted by BoyBawang
@Pop Lover
hmmmm let me guess. I can feel that u have something there already
Posted by Tigershark42
I can feel that u have something there already
That didnt sound gay
Posted by makbil
On 2008-06-22 17:36:15, londonlad123 wrote:
So if Paris gets a new processor is everyone here is going to be happy? Is that all thats needed?
In my opinion, no. Here's something to ponder over: if SE came out with a N95 with touch screen and a keyboard, it would be their flag ship. Well, that's how far behind SE is, they need to work hard to stay in the game.
Posted by Tigershark42
True. But still, people need to draw the line between what they need and will use, and what they want or would like to see. To be fair, I really really doubt Id need specs to be better than N95. Make it an SE with touchscreen, UIQ 3.3, A keyboard and all round SE flare and whats not to like. From a company perspective Nokia are behind SE, thanks to the X1. So theres no point arguing that SE arent flexing their high end muscles, because they are. People may say the G900 is missing this or that extra little feature, but all the core attributes are there, besides, if any extra was added people would complain when it isnt thin anymore. But even so, to keep those whod complain happy, the C905 came along. We high enders are getting what we want in pretty good doses, Id say. If it keeps coming like this, there really is absolutely nothing we can complain about, because itll only get better. Remember that SE isnt as concious of specs as other companies. But also remember that other companies arent as conscious of consumer's satisfaction with a product as SE. I stand by that statement.
Posted by Xajel
On 2008-06-22 22:01:57, makbil wrote:
On 2008-06-22 17:36:15, londonlad123 wrote:
So if Paris gets a new processor is everyone here is going to be happy? Is that all thats needed?
In my opinion, no. Here's something to ponder over: if SE came out with a N95 with touch screen and a keyboard, it would be their flag ship. Well, that's how far behind SE is, they need to work hard to stay in the game.
well, from my experience with this forum and other, even if made that N95 clone, but added touch UI & 8.1 MP camera and Optical zoom and every thing they could suck in that thing, some will say ( no if only it had IR port ), and the other will say ( I hate UIQ, I want OSD ), the next will say ( where's the full qwerty ? ) ad his brother will say ( nope the half qwerty )
so what is the solution ??
I think the only thing can do to satisfy those almighty users is to make a DIY phone that you go to the dealer and said I want this and this and this and this, and that's it...
but believe me even if did that, some will come and say ( why there's no option to have 19'' LCD on the phone ? )
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