Posted by dainesefreak
PK - I think you've decided it for me. I'm going to get a Free O2 upgrade to the F480 and hold onto my P1 until next year for a stunning
flagship UIQ phone. 
Posted by doministry
On 2008-06-17 19:31:54, Phoner wrote:
On 2008-06-17 16:53:04, paba92 wrote:
Quote from rog @ SE-world.info:
"Ich sage voraus dass Eldars Preview das einzige bleibt, was wir von Paris sehen werden.
On verra, wie man in der Stadt mit selbigem Namen sagen würde
CHeers,
Rog"
in English:
"I predict, that Eldars preview will be the only one, that we"ll see from Paris.
On verra, as one as in Paris would say.
CHeers,
Rog"
Another post from mobile-review regarding the above:
"Rog is spot on.
Bye bye Beibei too.
More info to come next week"
So SE would abandon like 2 or more of upcoming devices of the highend range?
Hard to believe, really.
Especially that Symbian 9.4 AND UiQ 3.3 IS ANNOUNCED some time ago.
Probably not just for fun...
Posted by Phoner
I also resist to believe all the buzz about cancellation.
Posted by Vipera ammodytes
better to cancel that poor devices...
Posted by PeterKay
On 2008-06-17 20:21:17, Phoner wrote:
I also resist to believe all the buzz about cancellation.
More info will be posted tomorrow about paris, whether its cancelled or not.
Posted by Phoner
That's great, like a light at the end of a rumor tunnel.
Thanks.
Posted by PeterKay
On 2008-06-17 20:22:49, Vipera ammodytes wrote:
better to cancel that poor devices...
what do u mean by poor?
Posted by makbil
On 2008-06-17 15:32:27, apolloa wrote:
How do you know they DON'T have someone reading and replying on this forum officially already? Their not going to tell you 'Hi I am on this forum on behalf of SE' now are they? lots of company's do this by the way.
You do realize that this is even worse than the other option don't you?
Posted by Mizzle
Camera sucks? Whatcha been smoking?? It's without question the best fixed focus camera out there, and it's thin as hell.
Posted by Phoner
Really, what proof do we have to say that they are going to be miserable and poor?
Posted by jalal2006
http://blog.se-nse.net/2008/0[....]nique-user-experience-for-all/
Posted by doministry
On 2008-06-17 20:22:49, Vipera ammodytes wrote:
better to cancel that poor devices...
Poor devices has been cancelled long time ago.
Now we wait for these good ones.
Posted by goldenface
Regarding Beibei, I'm not sure what it did that the G900 doesn't. May be its a good thing that its held back as they look very similar. The G900 looks like a hit phone.
Posted by Hiron
Could someone who read my post forward this question (sounds more like a demand) to SE, please? Maybe it can be asked in tomorrow event. . .
Why SE only put QVGA video recording in C905 instead of VGA? I hav read the whitepaper.
As we all know, Nokia, LG and Samsung hav done that several years ago (example N82 and N95.) nokia even prepared something bigger like 720x480@30fps in their next phone!
SE could do VGA easily (already decent sensor), and I don't know the reason SE struggling at QVGA. . .
If that's because the problem of big video size, ow c'mon. . . They already packaged 2 GB M2! And to make sure, SE can add the option to record video at VGA and QVGA, and maybe adding customizable video bitrate features to this CyberShot Flagship C905!
I heard some members in esato complains about this. 2 peoples I read even decided to buy N95 for this silly reason. . .
And we all have read many comparison review (mobile-review, gsmarena, etc) about K850i vs N95. . . Every reviewers have a critics that QVGA is a let down to K850i, comparing to Nokia.
Why SE repeat this mistakes again in C905? I don't want the reviewers throw this critics again to point the stupid weakness of C905!
And how a non-CyberShot branded X1 Xperia could do VGA rec, while C905 "High-End" "CyberShot" "Flagship" that has a PRICE tag almost 590 euro could only do QVGA rec. . .
Many people DISAPPOINTED :crying:
And I don't know why SE doesn't make C905 as PERFECT as possible, like adding following decent features, that could rises C905's selling point:
- SmileShutter (firmware)
- Dedicated play button
- Manual Focus and Saturation (firmware)
- Stereo Speakers with Neodymium Magnet Drivers
- Flash Lite 3 Support (firmware)
- TouchScreen to do Touch-Focus as introduced in G900
- Bluetooth 2.1 support
- HSUPA support
- Wi-Fi 802.11n support (currently only b and g)
- An option to enable or at least adjusting Noise Reduction Levels, since every people have different taste of matter to prefer "lot noise but high detail" or "low noise at the expenses of reduced details" (firmware)
- CCD Sensors with Liquid Lens technology from Vario-Tessar. (just googling about this liquid technology, reduced lens distortion, lower power usage, ability to auto-focus and optical zoom WITHOUT WASTING SPACES, the phone will NOT be thicker if you implement optical zoom)
- MicroSD Support, why SE abandoned it? Maybe they want to raising M2 selling? Politics. . .
- Torch Features like K850i has
- A jog scrolling key like BeiBei has
- Using 2.6" VGA 16.7M OLED display. Samsung has already using OLED display in their mobile phone (just look at wikipedia about OLED display. Lower power usage (maintain battery life), better angle, contrast and response time compared to LCD. And it's much cheaper than LCD)
I'm sorry if I asking (probably dreaming too much =p)
Back to my point of this post, could someone DEMANDING SE to put VGA rec, if you don't mind? Just forward this arguments to the high staff of SE. Or maybe SE's president
Many people hav asking VGA rec since K850i bad era. . . Why SE doesn't take a lessons from K850i fallen?
Please show them C905 discussion thread in esato, and look at many people complaining QVGA rec, all with pesimism. Maybe we should start a petition?
SE still have 5 months to change this easily before released, like what SE do in X1 Xperia (increasing RAM.)
I hope some high staff from SE read my posts. I have posted this in C905 thread, too. But I'm afraid some SE insiders doesn't read that thread.
Thanks For Your Attention, I'm sorry if I say something wrong. Everybody makes a mistakes
Posted by doministry
The quote from a short interview with SE:
Q. Professional UIQ-phones are a rare sight nowadays - are there any models in the pipeline or is the platform less suitable than Windows Mobile for this kind of phones?
A. Sony Ericsson today works with a set of different platforms that all add different parts to the portfolio. UIQ is still an important platform, complementing Windows Mobile in X1.
Sorry, maybe it's translation, but UIQ complementing WM...?
I thought rather the opposite...
Posted by Mizzle
Nope, it's not the translation, that's how it was said.
Posted by dainesefreak
I may be reading too much into it but I thought that my be a hint at a future X? UIQ device??
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Posted by makbil
I guess it remains to be seen whether these cancellations (or delays) will turn out to our advantage on the long run. Personally I prefer to see a technologically up to date device at the end of the year than Paris in the form of a P1 with a different makeup. I really do hope that SE management has analyzed SE's current standing correctly and plans to get back to the glory days of P900/910.
Posted by doministry
On 2008-06-17 20:44:39, Mizzle wrote:
Nope, it's not the translation, that's how it was said.
Thanks man,
so WMobile prioritare over UIQ?
Isn't that fcuking annoying indeed???
Posted by Mizzle
doministry,
I think it's vice versa, complementing each other.
Posted by doministry
On 2008-06-17 20:48:40, makbil wrote:
I guess it remains to be seen whether these cancellations (or delays) will turn out to our advantage on the long run. Personally I prefer to see a technologically up to date device at the end of the year than Paris in the form of a P1 with a different makeup. I really do hope that SE management has analyzed SE's current standing correctly and plans to get back to the glory days of P900/910.
It will never be this way 'cos now the market is so tight.
At the P900 times SE almost had no competitor.
Generally I don't believe that SE is leaving smartphone market if
the general tendency is just the opposite,
now every maker wants to make a smartphone,
it's the future...
Posted by doministry
On 2008-06-17 20:52:35, Mizzle wrote:
doministry,
I think it's vice versa, complementing each other.
I see, that would make sense (and be more fair to UiQ).
Posted by tob!s
Will Paris and Beibei be announced or not?
Tobi
Posted by shreyans
why wasnt 'paris' announced?? i am so awfully waitin for that phone..??
i m just stopping myself from buying p1..... can anyone please tell me when is it going to be announced, or better when is it coming..??
Posted by tob!s
We didn`t know, we didn't know if it will be announced. It can be that it would be cancelled.
Tobi
Posted by doministry
On 2008-06-17 21:08:54, shreyans wrote:
why wasnt 'paris' announced?? i am so awfully waitin for that phone..??
i m just stopping myself from buying p1..... can anyone please tell me when is it going to be announced, or better when is it coming..??
You could buy it in September the earliest
Posted by moogoo
On 2008-06-17 21:26:12, doministry wrote:
On 2008-06-17 21:08:54, shreyans wrote:
why wasnt 'paris' announced?? i am so awfully waitin for that phone..??
i m just stopping myself from buying p1..... can anyone please tell me when is it going to be announced, or better when is it coming..??
You could buy it in September the earliest
how do we know the release date hasn't been delayed as well? I sure hope not!
Posted by PeterKay
On 2008-06-17 21:13:51, tob!s wrote:
We didn`t know, we didn't know if it will be announced. It can be that it would be cancelled.
Tobi
We should know tomorrow if my sources are right.
Posted by doministry
On 2008-06-17 21:33:21, PeterKay wrote:
On 2008-06-17 21:13:51, tob!s wrote:
We didn`t know, we didn't know if it will be announced. It can be that it would be cancelled.
Tobi
We should know tomorrow if my sources are right.
Interesting...
Posted by PeterKay
I hope its not cancelled.
Posted by Myuueren
On 2008-06-17 21:41:39, PeterKay wrote:
I hope its not cancelled.
Everyone here does so i think.
Posted by captainsm
That would make BeiBei protos quite rare..
Posted by xell
Oh captain, my captain, better get as much protos as you can...
(and make sure there's a S302 one for me.
)
Posted by captainsm
I do what i can, but some are harder to get than others.
As to the BeiBei, i use one and i love it.
Posted by Tigershark42
PK, will you be able to let us know whether its cancelled or not?
Great Qs Mizz!
I hate the way SE go about answering questions though. Its like talking literally to an answering machine. No matter what you ask the response is always the same. Youd think they would be abit more animated and interested in their own product as to even so much as hint at something to look forward to, or suggest something they may have heard theyre not sure on, for example. But no. Its all 'we make products to suit the whole market', 'we cant talk about that' 'we cant talk about that', 'same stereotype answer about experiences' (well so far, my goods havent been delivered, so horrible experience from them). They all sound the same lol. Sometimes I wonder if SE implants an m2 into employees arms containing default boring answers to everything.
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Posted by xell
On 2008-06-17 22:14:20, captainsm wrote:
I do what i can, but some are harder to get than others.
Thunder Grey, please.
Posted by captainsm
I'll see what i can do...
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Posted by hansen
On 2008-06-17 22:27:10, Tigershark42 wrote:
I hate the way SE go about answering questions though. Its like talking literally to an answering machine.
Yes! Reading it feels like hearing someone speaking to a wall. SE seems to be among the most robotic in these situations. I remember reading a Q and A with a HTC representative a couple of weeks ago, and boy were his answers vivid, enthusiastic and expressing a wish to actually communicate something compared to what often seems to be the case with the SE guys. It's as if they are so defensive they can't afford to let the guard down for a split second...
Anyway thanks Mizzle for the effort - and for all of the info before the announcement.
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Posted by chuksy
If there is no high end UIQ smartphone from SE released this year then my next bet would be an android phone...its quite sad
Posted by moogoo
Android phone when it comes out will be very formidable. If se didn't have uiq they'd do great designing a phone for android.
Looks like this thread will be quiet for awhile
Posted by londonlad123
I tell you what would be funny, is if Se in the announcement they're suppose to make next week, announce they have sold the rest of Uiq to Motorola.
I think its best that Paris and beibei are cancelled, quite decieving in that they look like phones that would be high spec.
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Posted by Creid
i look forward to tomorrows info on paris, after that who knows . . was expecting a flagship p series this year. if not, got to look else where! never thought i would say it, fanboy - i am, everything in my house is sony. ive had all the phones, now i feel totally sick! sony have fell off. dont know what to do
Posted by ramintop
what if...... *drums* SE used s60 in their smart phones? *gasps*
if SE improved the s60 UI, made it more appealing, i bet people will prefer the SE's to nokia, thats only if they didn't compromise the features and stay ahead, or atleast with the others in terms of technology!
Posted by ares
Hope that NEVER happens. That would make me never buy SE again.
Anyway, SE leaving UIQ, not gonna happen at least now. I said before, g900 will be the most sold uiq device ever, and both with g700 is the best thing that happened to uiq in a long time.
0n other hand, paris/beibei canceled or not - not a big deal. There will be new uiq devices anyway, and if this means they will use newer hardware solutions, then its for the better..
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Posted by badassmam
@Ramintop
My buddy from Nokia says that their touch devices will be very nice to use and very finger friendly indeed. The N series phones are good to use anyway but with touch control, it should be great. He also says that they are trying to cram in as much technology as possible so it does everything like the N95/N96.
SE needs to start making all rounder devices as well, UIQ is good anyway so start making more devices like the G900. SE are deliberately holding back on some of their phones, I understand they have a market strategy but some things like good video recording should be added in Cybershot phones. AF and flash should be on all of their +2MP phones (adding a little LED would not hurt anyone).
Posted by bodeh6
On 2008-06-17 16:39:48, dr.W wrote:
On 2008-06-17 16:34:10, nk126 wrote:
On 2008-06-17 16:01:02, dr.W wrote:
On 2008-06-17 09:18:38, janke1 wrote:
for me c905 kill 3g iphone on the most points what have iphone that dosent c905 have,okey bigger screen but thats all
Are you insane? 3G iPhone has touchscreen with multitouch, safari web browser, 16GB storage, accelerometer, and you can expand functionality by adding new apps. Its also almost half the thickness of the C905.
Don't get me wrong the C905 sounds great for what it is a high end feature phone. It is not a smart phone, though, and to compare it to the iPhone is not really fair. If all you want is a phone with a great camera then you can't beat the C905, so if that is your criteria then yes, it beats the iPhone, but only in the area you care about.
Why in the world would SE release the C905 with only QVGA video recording? Have you seen an N82 or N95? Full VGA video? Jeez. I don't get it.
And I totally agree, iPhone is for an entirely different audience. You can't really compare just as to say "C905 kills iPhone" is a total joke. C905 has phone and camera features iPhone can't touch. iPhone has multimedia and usability features C905 would kill for. C905 is for the high-end phone freak and camera lover. iPhone is a smartphone for the masses.
I'm pretty disappointed about the no P-phone.
Also I was just checking out SE's C905 web page. It only lists 850 and 2100 bands for HSDPA, in other words, no US support as AT&T is currently only using the 1900 band for HSDPA.
The website is wrong. It is 850/1900/2100. Probably will be fixed overnight.
Posted by laurenke01
Yeah, there are usually errors on the specs page until a few days after it's put up. With the K850i, I think when it was announced, it said it had HSDPA 850 but not GSM 850, which is silly. HSDPA 850/2100 is an impossible combination, or unconventional at the very least. The "a" version is for sure triband HSDPA.
Anyone else find it odd that the regular C905 isn't triband?
Also, the QVGA video recording, while a little disappointing, isn't a deal breaker. I personally don't record video all that often, and as such, if this is the only thing thus far people are complaining about, I'd say that's a good thing. Plus, this wouldn't be the first time specs can change--they may decide to enable VGA recording before release.
My only gripe is that the microSD reader from the K850 wasn't carried over.
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Posted by xumdeo
if you look at the sample pics from the C905 protos shown at communicasia singapore right now, the indoor pics are a bit disappointing, but outdoor pics are great
http://hk.phonedaily.com/news/?news_id=5627
(scroll down to the lower quarter of the page)
[ This Message was edited by: xumdeo on 2008-06-18 03:05 ]
Posted by razec
On 2008-06-18 04:04:57, xumdeo wrote:
if you look at the sample pics from the C905 protos shown at communicasia singapore right now, the indoor pics are a bit disappointing, but outdoor pics are great
http://hk.phonedaily.com/news/?news_id=5627
(scroll down to the lower quarter of the page)
[ This Message was edited by: xumdeo on 2008-06-18 03:05 ]
Very nice pictures, colors were accurate and natural, and there was almost no purple fringing on the highlights, although the compression and noise suppression were clearly evident, the 8mp details were there, so does the sharpness on the subject of focus(especially the leaves shot) it's much better than K850 i can say and i'm pretty impressed
now what can you say @bavlondon?
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Posted by soane28
very similar quality to the N82 except no blur spots like the N82 does (and it pisses me off!). Might have to invest...