Posted by Mizzle
Of course you can also check out FCC. The W960 is up, btw. It's named Mooi. So please, stop any doubts about this now. Thanks
Posted by shaliron
@razec
I'm no insider
so what I say is just through reasoning (with some facts of course).
The current JP-8 doesn't support touchscreen, and I reckon Maria will be one of the few touchscreen based phones from SE, perhaps the only one. There's only one (expensive) iPhone, and all there needs to be is one (expensive) solution from SE.
SE's probably waiting to see the market reaction to touchscreen based phones, and maybe then they'll move down towards more midrange phones.
Posted by razec
On 2007-10-24 10:29:18, shaliron wrote:
@razec
I'm no insider
so what I say is just through reasoning (with some facts of course).
The current JP-8 doesn't support touchscreen, and I reckon Maria will be one of the few touchscreen based phones from SE, perhaps the only one. There's only one (expensive) iPhone, and all there needs to be is one (expensive) solution from SE.
SE's probably waiting to see the market reaction to touchscreen based phones, and maybe then they'll move down towards more midrange phones.
So probably they don't consider iphone's hit as substantial for making the A-series touchscreen
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Posted by shaliron
@razec
Well, the iPhone is also combined with a very large amount of hype and very clever marketing. Whether consumers prefer (expensive) touchscreen phones for the entire marketplace remains to be seen.
Remember - touchscreen based phones need large screens and that means large phones (width and height). It's also expensive to have large screens, and if all phones had huge screens, they'd also all have to be expensive as well.
So as it stands, one fairly expensive phone with touchscreen seems the way to go. Maybe having a 'flagship' consumer product (touch based) that people would pay a nice premium to use, and a phone which is distinctive in the portfolio to justify a high price; for everyone else, a 'simple' hard key based phone seems perfectly acceptable IMO.
Not everyone is prepared to spend a lot on a phone, and likewise people probably don't want to have a substandard touch platform on a small screen when a good 'old fashioned' way to do it is better.
Posted by sealover94
@Shaliron
So, is there chance to see a 3,5 inches finger-touch screen high-end mobile from SE on November 15th ???
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2007-10-24 10:02 ]
Posted by Aware
Point to remember:
DISCONTINUED the touchscreen, NON-smartphone Z558 less than a year ago......
Which happily ran on DB2010/2020(can't remember which, but CERTAINLY no more advanced than A100, at the latest), and I've never seen one complaint to date about memory leaks, or any other untoward problems with them(nearly had one myself, unfortunately a let-down on here scuppered it)......
Posted by Mizzle
On 2007-10-24 11:02:07, sealover94 wrote:
@Shaliron
So, is there chance to see a 3,5 inches finger-touch screen high-end mobile from SE on November 15th ???
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2007-10-24 10:02 ]
Dude, nobody has been looking Apple over the shoulder. All have been developing these userfriendly phones - Apple was simply the first to announce and release it. It's as simple as that.
Posted by xironghostx
I don't think we'll see a high-end walkam on nov 6/14/15th because w960 isn't even out yet and announcing new high-end phones before w960 release would not be very clever.
Posted by razec
I really missed
's strategy producing walkman phone with autofocus since they did it with W610 months ago. i would hope there will be a walkman phone with 5 or 3mp camera and autofocus, i would call it walkman-shot
Posted by >500
there 'should' be a phone with a VGA UI announced this year......
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Posted by tk338
On 2007-10-24 12:43:19, razec wrote:
I really missed
's strategy producing walkman phone with autofocus since they did it with W610 months ago. i would hope there will be a walkman phone with 5 or 3mp camera and autofocus, i would call it walkman-shot
I agree, I still prefer my W810 over my W880 for that reason.
Posted by technical-expert
@>500
Everyone knows that well before
Posted by >500
@arunvc
they do? where?
Posted by icaka
Nice to see you,Jedi!
Btw,I can't understand why everybody's so interested in VGA resolution?WVGA resolution will have better future,so why bother with VGA???
Posted by >500
its a step up from qvga
jedi? why bring that up?
Posted by sealover94
vga resolution to an ONLY 2,8 screen ??No thanks......
Posted by NightBlade
On 2007-10-24 15:14:28, sealover94 wrote:
vga resolution to an ONLY 2,8 screen ??No thanks......
Fair enough if you ask me...
Posted by technical-expert
@sealover94
The solution u look for will only be available by nokia by2008
as for as SE goes no plan yet for 3+ inches.
Posted by goldenface
I too think QVGA is borderline for screens of 2.5" and above, VGA would be much better. OLED screens would be even better than that.
Posted by mario2004
How about a 4.1 in 800x480 (16x9) wimax monster weighin at just under 200g with all the bells of a n95 + touch screen and side full qwerty keypad?
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Posted by technical-expert
@goldenface
All Black W880i - pictured
All ready officially available, may be a month or two ago.
Posted by goldenface
You're right, is is available in certain countries.
Posted by dancingfate
On 2007-10-24 17:07:55, goldenface wrote:
You're right, is is available in certain countries.
Which country? I've tried Indonesia and UK, still not yet listed on the spec.
Posted by technical-expert
Cool
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Posted by goldenface
Update
- The SO905i is due to be announced on Nov 1st, at the NTTDoCoMo press conference.
NTTDocomo
Posted by m-one
The W960i is now type approved by the FCC.
More pics here:
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/653/w960ibackjr9.jpg
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/680/w960isideou5.jpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5168/w960itbwt8.jpg
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/5098/w960iopenbg9.jpg
And yes, it's called MOOI as I told you before
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Posted by vladn02
On 2007-10-20 18:34:12, domipost wrote:
nice, but afaik there is another tread for photoshops. Post it there please.
what you fail to realize is almost everyone is started at some sort of a photoshop level, they dont just go out and build a 5 star phone.
geezee
Posted by karbonite
wut bs... w910 isn't gonna sell for crap if 890 is comming out...
Posted by razec
On 2007-10-25 01:23:52, karbonite wrote:
wut bs... w910 isn't gonna sell for crap if 890 is comming out...
If W890 would have Autofocus and shaker, W910 wont sell well surely
Posted by NightBlade
BUT W910 has a bigger screen aaand.. it'll be cheaper. Only drawback'll be the camera.
Posted by Supa_Fly
On 2007-10-24 14:58:25, icaka wrote:
Nice to see you,Jedi!
Btw,I can't understand why everybody's so interested in VGA resolution?WVGA resolution will have better future,so why bother with VGA???
Man whats all this talk about video display resolution? Are we using it as a substitute for swollen member size or what? lol seriously though I think that WVGA is better suited for qwerty keyboard smartphones with displays in landscape mode not portrait mode.
have a look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vector_Video_Standards2.png
compared to VGA.
I just want K850i hardware & design with MUCH faster CPU & a mobile GPU for TV out in 4:3 / 16:9 aspect with UIQ3 non-TS display. Please!
Posted by sealover94
I-phone has a 620MHz ARM CPU ..(besides the 3,5" touch screen)
So i wonder..
Is there any high end-se mobile coming out till q1 2008(max) to compete at least the cpu factor ?
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Posted by razec
On 2007-10-25 08:43:58, sealover94 wrote:
I-phone has a 620MHz ARM CPU ..(besides the 3,5" touch screen)
So i wonder..
Is there a high end-se mobile coming out till q1 2008(max) to compete at least the cpu factor ?
I think SE wont, since 620Mhz is too much for everything. 400Mhz would be fine same as 330Mhz. Apple used that CPU in phone just to achieve smooth and heavy menu animations. on the other hand Symbian OS UIQ does not use too much CPU frequency to run system animations as shown by P990 and P1. i'm sure a 330Mhz CPU would render UIQ transitions more than enough and would left more for running applications without lags even when transitions are on
Posted by sealover94
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Posted by NightBlade
Um.. I think it's the P1...
Posted by darknoob
I don't think W890 got autofocus, look at its camera : like W910, Z610 and they have not autofocus.
Posted by goldenface
I'm poking around for spypics of the P3i which is supposed to be with us in a few weeks time. Nothing to be found so far.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2007-10-25 08:38 ]
Posted by razec
On 2007-10-25 09:28:35, darknoob wrote:
I don't think W890 got autofocus, look at its camera : like W910, Z610 and they have not autofocus.
W890 wont have AF indeed. but i might expect a 3mp walkman phone + autofocus. atm there are only 2 3mp walkman cameras around. and both are not yet released
Posted by domipost
two?
I know only one: W960i
I don't think that W890i has a good cam 2. I expect someting like in W910/W580 etc. But with a little more pixels
Posted by ares
On 2007-10-25 08:52:57, razec wrote:
On 2007-10-25 08:43:58, sealover94 wrote:
I-phone has a 620MHz ARM CPU ..(besides the 3,5" touch screen)
So i wonder..
Is there a high end-se mobile coming out till q1 2008(max) to compete at least the cpu factor ?
I think SE wont, since 620Mhz is too much for everything. 400Mhz would be fine same as 330Mhz. Apple used that CPU in phone just to achieve smooth and heavy menu animations. on the other hand Symbian OS UIQ does not use too much CPU frequency to run system animations as shown by P990 and P1. i'm sure a 330Mhz CPU would render UIQ transitions more than enough and would left more for running applications without lags even when transitions are on
The rumored CPU for the "P3i" is supposed to have clock speed way above 330mhz...
Posted by m-one
On 2007-10-25 09:32:37, goldenface wrote:
I'm poking around for spypics of the P3i which is supposed to be with us in a few weeks time. Nothing to be found so far.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2007-10-25 08:38 ]
Yeah, it's very hard to get out some info from SE these days. Seems they've learned their lessons...
I guess we won't see any real pictures unless PeterKay will be allowed to publish them - unfortunately.
He said he'll publish the picures before SE announces its new phones.
BTW: Very nice and creative implementation of the first page, goldenface
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Posted by Ryxa
Ok finally, my friend form SE told me about P3i (it can’t be P3i but next one, he smile always when I call this phone P3i) is not VGA … but is wide one …
Touch Screen ===> 2.8’’ 240x400 <===
Still hiding about type but it can be OLED ….
Posted by intelegent115
Am i the only one who thinks 2.8" is lame? I kind of regret i tried iphone, now i wont find any replacement in that particular field. You like it or not Nokia started to make touchscreen phones, why is that right after iphone came out?
I dont care if SE puts Quad core processor in P3i,.. i want a large screen! P1i and even upcomming W960 look like a joke to N95 8GB (which is out?).
Posted by goldenface
On 2007-10-25 12:25:30, Ryxa wrote:
Ok finally, my friend form SE told me about P3i (it cant be P3i but next one, he smile always when I call this phone P3i) is not VGA but is wide one
Touch Screen ===> 2.8 240x400 <===
Still hiding about type but it can be OLED .
240x400 isn't a standard resolution. WQVGA (432x240) is the wide screen version with a ratio of 9:5. If this is true then we can rule out the 'P3i' being the same format as the P1i. It will have to be flip or slider.
@m-one
Thanks, its an ongoing process.
Posted by sealover94
On 2007-10-25 12:59:50, intelegent115 wrote:
Am i the only one who thinks 2.8" is lame? I kind of regret i tried iphone, now i wont find any replacement in that particular field. You like it or not Nokia started to make touchscreen phones, why is that right after iphone came out?
I dont care if SE puts Quad core processor in P3i,.. i want a large screen! P1i and even upcomming W960 look like a joke to N95 8GB (which is out?).
I TOTALLY agree with you!!
And we are talking about devices that will be released in q1..maybe even q2 of 2008 !!
SE is loosing too much ground!
I ll wait till November the 15th to see the new phones and i hope these rumors are wrong....
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Posted by Ryxa
Actually I found the lot matrixes with 240x400
http://justamp.blogspot.com/2[....]ns-of-pics-of-kddi-japans.html
… and looks like next phone will keep good size and weight.
But most important it can be OLED (70% true).
Posted by goldenface
Ah, so the new OLED display comes in its own standard size. Great, lets hope it appears on the 'P3i'.
Posted by icaka
Prom1,
I agree with you about landscape QWERTY smartphones,but the WVGA display resolution is a common trend in Japanese phones.Not that VGA isn't,but WVGA is better for movies and etc.,which is normal.With the mass roll-out of iPhonish phones(sorry for the bad combination),multimedia will be the focus,as well as landscape mode browsing(ala iPhone,again).SE Japan made a good WVGA UI.WVGA will be better for onscreen QWERTY also.Even if MOOI/Maria(or whatever) hasn't WVGA screen(which will probably be the case),it will surely have WQVGA or at least 400x240 pixel screen.Widescreens are the future.Because we are talking about multimedia here.And browsing.(and yes,future of the landscape display QWERTY smartphones too,but you know that)
The iPhone's display fever caught me, too.I hardly went back to QVGA 2.6 inch after I played with iPhone for some time.2.6/2.8 or even 3 inches aren't fine these days.3.5 is the minimum,and 4.1 is pretty much the optimum for me.(considering the size of the phone and battery life)
Posted by xumdeo
I doubt if Samsung SDI has enough production capacity to supply WQVGA OLED screens for SE's worldwide launch of any phone in Q1 2008
most of the resources will be taken up by AU's winter line with quite a number of phones using the same OLED screen, they would start selling in mid nov- mid dec, and I expect them to fly of shelves
Posted by kEiThZ
I say SE should bring the high end to the low end! This is what the iPhone accomplished. It's real innovation is getting North Americans to think of a phone as having more than one function. Prior to that, most people here thought of smartphones as only for geeks and businessmen. Apple deserves credit for opening people's eyes.
90% of people are looking for the phone to perform certain functions...such as communicate (calls, text, etc.) and enjoy media (music, video, internet). Apple's success was being able to deliver a product that met those needs and then some. Most people dont care about an OS and dont want or need one. Thats the reason the iphone is successful.
But this is also exactly where SE can excel. SE has brand recognition in Walkman and Cyber-Shot and they should use it!
SE chould release a touchscreen Walkman but one up Apple by making it quadband EDGE, Triband HSPA, possibly add 802.11n, skip a complicated OS and utilize a flash OS a la Prada phone, add a decent 3.2MP autofocus camera. Bundle that with a 4GB-8GB card and sell it for less than 400 bucks. Plus, because its not the Jesus Phone, carriers will be able to subsidize it. SE will rule the roost!
SE could also use a similar platform and strategy for the Cybershot line by making a touchscreen Cybershot with a flash OS, Wifi, 3G and EDGE radios and say a 5MP cam with optical zoom. That would kill too.
SE also needs to define those two product lines better...physically. All Walkman phones should have proper headphone jacks, good speakers and sound (maybe via DSP) and most importantly dedicated music buttons. And likewise for the Cybershot line, which should have dedicated cam buttons, xenon flash, and have the look and feel of a camera!