Posted by Alfaro
On 2008-01-31 18:50:45, p!xarus wrote:
No I don't think so..
I have talked to the SE Support here in Norway, they told me that they have deleted the 038 FW from the "over air update" and that a new update was ready in week 6.
so... next week! 3th~9th feb... hope it's right this time...
Posted by fullforce
I got that to from SE here in Sweden-that the new firmware wille come out in week 6.
This message was posted from a K850i
Posted by darrengf
On 2008-01-31 19:28:25, tonchy wrote:
I am starting to think that this FW update is nothing but the propagation of the 039 to all networks and unbranded phones, otherwise why would they release the 039 FW for "3" a few days before a major FW release? i don't understand.
Can someone from "3" network comment on how buggy or unbuggy 039 FW is?
Touchy, R1DA039 is the same firmware as R1DA038.
Certain networks like there own branding and so ask SE to change certain features and scripts on the phone. 3 is one of them.
Vodafone, Orange and T-Mobile have the same revison of R1DA038 (The Base Software, Boot scripts and connection managers etc, However They have There own Signatures and languages on the phone. Like there own Style of software.
R1DA039 has been out for the last 2 weeks ar service centers.
The reason why R1DA039 has only just been released as it was awaitng approval from 3.
You ask why not wait until the newfirmware is released.
Because 3 will take another month or so to prob auth that one, so its better for the customers to have less buggy phones than what they currenlty have.
Hope this makes sense.
[ This Message was edited by: darrengf on 2008-01-31 19:12 ]
Posted by tonchy
On 2008-01-31 20:09:34, darrengf wrote:
On 2008-01-31 19:28:25, tonchy wrote:
I am starting to think that this FW update is nothing but the propagation of the 039 to all networks and unbranded phones, otherwise why would they release the 039 FW for "3" a few days before a major FW release? i don't understand.
Can someone from "3" network comment on how buggy or unbuggy 039 FW is?
Touchy, R1DA039 is the same firmware as R1DA038.
Certain networks like there own branding and so ask SE to change certain features and scripts on the phone. 3 is one of them.
Vodafone, Orange and T-Mobile have the same revison of R1DA038 (The Base Software, Boot scripts and connection managers etc, However They have There own Signatures and languages on the phone. Like there own Style of software.
R1DA039 has been out for the last 2 weeks ar service centers.
The reason why R1DA039 has only just been released as it was awaitng approval from 3.
You ask why not wait until the newfirmware is released.
Because 3 will take another month or so to prob auth that one, so its better for the customers to have less buggy phones than what they currenlty have.
Hope this makes sense.
[ This Message was edited by: darrengf on 2008-01-31 19:12 ]
thanks.
it makes sense. what i don't get is why SE has not made the fixes/improvements achieved with 038 (listed on the first page) GENERIC?
one would think that if they went thru the trouble of fixing bugs for a network they would upload those fixes/improvements inmediately for all non netowork specific audiences (i mean improvements such as the new camera driver).
now again, from what i heard here 038 is less stable than 037 am i right?
[ This Message was edited by: tonchy on 2008-01-31 19:56 ]
Posted by reAaa
you guys are all talking about the "3", what's that?
Posted by tonchy
On 2008-01-31 20:56:46, reAaa wrote:
you guys are all talking about the "3", what's that?
3 is the Carrier for which SE released the 039 FW
Posted by fullforce
I think they mean the 3-network
Posted by GoonerB
On 2008-01-31 20:56:46, reAaa wrote:
you guys are all talking about the "3", what's that?
A network not worth knowing about matey!
Posted by darrengf
@tonchy
From what i undersstand.
The main Networks like
Orange, O2, Voda, T-Mobile, Tim and a couple of others we sending 1 in 5 phones back for repair or unwanted handsets.
This is 20% of stock of SE which is a large ammount.
The networks can play heavier hands than a single consumer and this is from what i understand why the R1DA038 was relased.
R1CA037 is a stable firmware for Java, even though its buggy.
R1DA038 was relased for Camera and Java issues.
As you know, most networks offer a 14 day return so when SE get all the phones back from the networks, they tend to fix things quicker.
Strange but true.
Posted by vbayma
And our poor unbranded fellows don't have any unbranded firmware since... 3 months ago..
Posted by Prom1
Considering this is SE's very first A200 platform phone, I'm wondering if similar issues abound on the recently released W890i or should we expect the same to occur on the Z720i or the upcoming W760i?
Posted by tonchy
On 2008-01-31 21:15:54, vbayma wrote:
And our poor unbranded fellows don't have any unbranded firmware since... 3 months ago..
i'm one of those
Posted by buntoo
me too
Posted by fullforce
me toooo! I'll wait to next week and see if they released the new firmware then. Otherwise i will seriously consider taking the phone back and demand my money back all toghether. My claim will simply be that the phone doesn't do what the specs says it will do.
[ This Message was edited by: fullforce on 2008-01-31 21:42 ]
Posted by florinpatan
On 2008-01-31 21:15:54, vbayma wrote:
And our poor unbranded fellows don't have any unbranded firmware since... 3 months ago..
Me too... and well it seems that SE should realize that there are some customers out there that are buying their phones... well at least for now :|
Only three hours left for SE to keep their words thought I still don't understand why they've put a major firmware update on an subnote for an accessory.
Posted by shawon
Dont unbranded k850s get the Firmware AS released? And the Branded ones get verified by network operator after it is released to the unbranded ones?
Posted by Duran
On 2008-01-31 22:12:41, shawon wrote:
Dont unbranded k850s get the Firmware AS released? And the Branded ones get verified by network operator after it is released to the unbranded ones?
ye it should be like that
Posted by tonchy
On 2008-01-31 22:19:38, Duran wrote:
On 2008-01-31 22:12:41, shawon wrote:
Dont unbranded k850s get the Firmware AS released? And the Branded ones get verified by network operator after it is released to the unbranded ones?
ye it should be like that
but it did not happen in this case. (i.e. i am unbranded on 037 stuck with an older camera driver than the branded phones)
[ This Message was edited by: tonchy on 2008-01-31 22:11 ]
Posted by Duran
me too.
Posted by shawon
Im Confused./ How can Branded phones get the latest firmware before Sony Ericsson's customers? (I.E the Unbranded models?)
Posted by Duran
On 2008-01-31 23:41:00, shawon wrote:
Im Confused./ How can Branded phones get the latest firmware before Sony Ericsson's customers? (I.E the Unbranded models?)
Because they never released 038 for unbranded in the first place.
Posted by fullforce
Ahhhh thank god that the new firmware didn't arrive this week! Now we have yet another wonderful exciting week to wait and anticipate the new firmware. Don't you just love it!?
[ This Message was edited by: fullforce on 2008-02-01 00:15 ]
Posted by aa_lui
im also on 037 but i dont seem to get any of the problems you gets are getting ( knock on wood)
using my hs970 i dont have the reboot volume thing, it doesnt lag or freeze in media player
it works perfectly, just the camera isnt that great
Posted by Duran
have you ever zoomed in on pictures?
Posted by aa_lui
On 2008-02-01 01:20:44, Duran wrote:
have you ever zoomed in on pictures?
yes i have, its fine i dont see whats the big fuzz
i even compared the zoom with a k800 not much of a difference
Posted by Duran
On 2008-02-01 01:37:13, aa_lui wrote:
On 2008-02-01 01:20:44, Duran wrote:
have you ever zoomed in on pictures?
yes i have, its fine i dont see whats the big fuzz
i even compared the zoom with a k800 not much of a difference
What i mean is, after zooming a picture with the +/- volume keys i cannot change the volume in the media player unless i reboot the phone.
Posted by fullforce
While waiting for the new firmware i am serioulsy thinking of taking the damn lens cover away.
@Duran
Didn't you do that? Have you experienced any problems so far? How did you actually remove the glass? Did you simly press it until it lossened or did you peel off the tape that hold it in position? It seems a little hard to make it look that you haven't done anything with it if you have to peel and scrape it off and then put it back.
[ This Message was edited by: fullforce on 2008-02-01 00:49 ]
Posted by Duran
lol;P no that wasnt me..didnt touch the cover yet as its 99% clean here..not dust etc at all after 6 weeks of usage:)
im off to bed its 02;00 -.-
[ This Message was edited by: Duran on 2008-02-01 00:55 ]
Posted by fullforce
Well then you are a lucky one! I got several dust specs after only 2 weeks! Maybe one should try to seal the phone from the inside out with tar or something
Well mine defenately is one of those who lets dust in like a wide open door in a autumn storm.
[ This Message was edited by: fullforce on 2008-02-01 01:07 ]
Posted by obentou
Haha same.
I used to use pouches for my good phones back then, but now I don't. I like to use the phone without taking it out of a pouch and stuff... I don't know why, but it's just how I feel.
My K850i already has tons of dust over the lens... and compressed air won't help anymore... it worked on my blue one (which is now sold), but not for this one. I feel the Luminous Green versions are built a lot better
Posted by fullforce
Well if it lets dust in then the only solution will be removing the lens cover. I really can't see a point for it to be there apart from giving a bit of protection for the actual lens cover. But for me, who uses the krussel classic case, there is already good protection from pressure or dammge on the "real" mechanical lens cover.
And from the pics iv'e seen it seems easy to take off the back cover. Onle one screw and the usage of a plastic card to loosen the backside of the phone.
[ This Message was edited by: fullforce on 2008-02-01 01:47 ]
Posted by Prom1
"The camera isn't that great!" ???
I've seen this stated all too often in this thread yet I do not understand.
* Does it not take photos in 1/3/5MP resolutions?
* Does it not record videos in QVGA @ 30fps ?
* Does it not produce incredible photos better than most if not ALL the competition (N95 variants, LG Viewty, N82, etc) ?!? There are MANY of you that are complaining about its camera yet STILL defending it in the "post your pictures & video taken by the K850i" thread.
So what on Earth are you ppl - that are not happy with the camera - complaining about?! Seriously, and Honestly without contradicting yourselfs??
I'm wondering if many ppl here are NOT suffering from Legendary Phone syndrome.
(Legendary Phone Syndrome) def. (sic): Is when a person is woo'd over by a phones technology so much that any revision of that same technology - no matter the increasingly useful features - cannot compare and thus fall as inadequate. ie K750i users still stunned by camera abilities augmented by cam drivers - seemingly to those sufferers that currently own a K850i (2nd marketed revision of the K750i after the K790/800).
Posted by obentou
Exactly.. no phone camera can rival a real digital camera. It's got dedicated and expensive optical technology to make it for what it's worth.
Posted by lun4r
On 2008-02-01 02:53:45, Prom1 wrote:
"The camera isn't that great!" ???
I've seen this stated all too often in this thread yet I do not understand.
* Does it not take photos in 1/3/5MP resolutions?
* Does it not record videos in QVGA @ 30fps ?
* Does it not produce incredible photos better than most if not ALL the competition (N95 variants, LG Viewty, N82, etc) ?!? There are MANY of you that are complaining about its camera yet STILL defending it in the "post your pictures & video taken by the K850i" thread.
So what on Earth are you ppl - that are not happy with the camera - complaining about?! Seriously, and Honestly without contradicting yourselfs??
I'm wondering if many ppl here are NOT suffering from Legendary Phone syndrome.
(Legendary Phone Syndrome) def. (sic): Is when a person is woo'd over by a phones technology so much that any revision of that same technology - no matter the increasingly useful features - cannot compare and thus fall as inadequate. ie K750i users still stunned by camera abilities augmented by cam drivers - seemingly to those sufferers that currently own a K850i (2nd marketed revision of the K750i after the K790/800).
just try to compare it with the k810i's camera, and later maybe u'll notice what we mean by "isn't that great"....
Posted by aa_lui
On 2008-02-01 01:40:47, Duran wrote:
On 2008-02-01 01:37:13, aa_lui wrote:
On 2008-02-01 01:20:44, Duran wrote:
have you ever zoomed in on pictures?
yes i have, its fine i dont see whats the big fuzz
i even compared the zoom with a k800 not much of a difference
What i mean is, after zooming a picture with the +/- volume keys i cannot change the volume in the media player unless i reboot the phone.
i just tried that, seems to work fine
Posted by Prom1
On 2008-02-01 03:22:35, lun4r wrote:
On 2008-02-01 02:53:45, Prom1 wrote:
"The camera isn't that great!" ???
I've seen this stated all too often in this thread yet I do not understand.
* Does it not take photos in 1/3/5MP resolutions?
* Does it not record videos in QVGA @ 30fps ?
* Does it not produce incredible photos better than most if not ALL the competition (N95 variants, LG Viewty, N82, etc) ?!? There are MANY of you that are complaining about its camera yet STILL defending it in the "post your pictures & video taken by the K850i" thread.
So what on Earth are you ppl - that are not happy with the camera - complaining about?! Seriously, and Honestly without contradicting yourselfs??
I'm wondering if many ppl here are NOT suffering from Legendary Phone syndrome.
(Legendary Phone Syndrome) def. (sic): Is when a person is woo'd over by a phones technology so much that any revision of that same technology - no matter the increasingly useful features - cannot compare and thus fall as inadequate. ie K750i users still stunned by camera abilities augmented by cam drivers - seemingly to those sufferers that currently own a K850i (2nd marketed revision of the K750i after the K790/800).
just try to compare it with the k810i's camera, and later maybe u'll notice what we mean by "isn't that great"....
But for someone like me that has waited and only now seriously contemplating purchasing a K850i.
I own the K790a and its the same as the K800 when it comes to stock camera performance. So I have a reference point, and from what I've seen in others photos the K850i seems to be MUCH MUCH better; and not solely due to the 1.7MP difference.
So "isn't that great" when refering to the K790a/i or K800/K810's camera is nothing I can weigh.
Posted by fullforce
Well iv'e been a bad boy and removed the covering glass over the camera..see what boredom and desperation that comes from waiting for the new firmware can do to a man!!
I probably voided my warranty now but i think i can put the glass back if i have to take my phone to a repair shop..oh wait..we don't, since december 2007, have any SE-repair shops any longer in Sweden...well we do have one one big crappy repair shop that you send your phone to via your retailer. But they are the worst...can't be bothered to elaborate that but if you can imagine it, they have done it!
[ This Message was edited by: fullforce on 2008-02-01 05:03 ]
Posted by omen_
Guys... You'll not belive... I don't know how it is possible... BUT... Yesterday's evening my friend (he has a cell phone service) called me and asked me why am I so frustrate last days. I told him all about SE and their update politic and then he said: "Well, you probably don't know, but there is FW 038 (yes, it's R1DA) for... unbranded phones (I know how it sounds, but it's true!) - GENERIC_SO! For UNBRANDED phones!!! But that's not over - the best part of it is, that this FW is available from 27.12.07!!! Shock! I'm going to him today at 1 p.m. (12 a.m. GMT) to check is this not a joke, but I think that I will return to home with new FW
Of course as soon as possible I'll write on forum from where it can be download
PS.: S.F.M.E. - sorry for my english
PS.: A week ago I loved SE. Now I'm only a user...
Posted by joolz1
On 2008-02-01 07:16:59, omen_ wrote:
Guys... You'll not belive... I don't know how it is possible... BUT... Yesterday's evening my friend (he has a cell phone service) called me and asked me why am I so frustrate last days. I told him all about SE and their update politic and then he said: "Well, you probably don't know, but there is FW 038 (yes, it's R1DA) for... unbranded phones (I know how it sounds, but it's true!) - GENERIC_SO! For UNBRANDED phones!!! But that's not over - the best part of it is, that this FW is available from 27.12.07!!! Shock! I'm going to him today at 1 p.m. (12 a.m. GMT) to check is this not a joke, but I think that I will return to home with new FW
Of course as soon as possible I'll write on forum from where it can be download
PS.: S.F.M.E. - sorry for my english
PS.: A week ago I loved SE. Now I'm only a user...
stop posting rubbish.
Posted by imhotepp
January has gone worldwide now, where is my bloody firmware?
I knew I should have gone for samsung u600...
Posted by 1889
On 2008-02-01 02:53:45, Prom1 wrote:
"The camera isn't that great!" ???
I've seen this stated all too often in this thread yet I do not understand.
* Does it not take photos in 1/3/5MP resolutions?
* Does it not record videos in QVGA @ 30fps ?
* Does it not produce incredible photos better than most if not ALL the competition (N95 variants, LG Viewty, N82, etc) ?!? There are MANY of you that are complaining about its camera yet STILL defending it in the "post your pictures & video taken by the K850i" thread.
Err, the camera is rubbish. I'm yet to take one photo on my phone thats actually looked good at full size. One thing it definitely doesn't do is produce incredible photos!!!
But for someone like me that has waited and only now seriously contemplating purchasing a K850i.
I own the K790a and its the same as the K800 when it comes to stock camera performance. So I have a reference point, and from what I've seen in others photos the K850i seems to be MUCH MUCH better; and not solely due to the 1.7MP difference.
So "isn't that great" when refering to the K790a/i or K800/K810's camera is nothing I can weigh.
So you haven't even got a K850? In that case then how can you possibly make comment on the camera?
Posted by Dupet
I finally got tired of waiting and got rid of this piece of crap. I got a N82 instead, and i couldnt be happier! I can FINALLY take night time photos of people without getting flashburn. that was all i ever wanted. plus wifi and gps is a nice bonus. i still cant get over how awesome the photos look on this phone. and the designers were clever enough to put a lens cover too! heres a comparison of the same photo between the two different phones. SE fanboys will piss and moan, but lets see any K850 take a photo of flesh tones as good as that!
K850
N82
Posted by Mizzle
Obviously, you don't know how to handle a camera.
Posted by Dupet
if that were true, wouldnt both photos come out badly? i tried absolutely everything to get nice flesh tones with my k850. i held it every possible way and tried every combination of settings there is. if anyone in this thread is thinking about selling their k850 and getting a n82, i urge you to do so. you wont regret it!
Posted by iqmaster158
if n82 wasnt so ugly ill go for it also..i am tired of this k850 crap..all my phones was SE but i have my limits..in two weeks we have new FW here..hope things get better
to the poste above..handlin a camera? who cares..i want to aim and shoot not to handle omg..and if..what u can handle here? 100 ISO + 0.7 withebalance and what..photo will be awful either..
Posted by Dupet
nice point iqmaster158. these are point and shoot cameras. not DSLR cameras that should need to be handled.
i really hope the firmware comes out for you guys soon. but personally, i dont think a simple firmware update is going to fix all the things wrong with this phone
Posted by yashen
On 2008-02-01 10:39:25, Dupet wrote:
nice point iqmaster158. these are point and shoot cameras. not DSLR cameras that should need to be handled.
i really hope the firmware comes out for you guys soon. but personally, i dont think a simple firmware update is going to fix all the things wrong with this phone
2 things:
1. How's the battery life
2. How fast is the phone when saving a 5MP shot
P.S. I don't get flasburn with my K850i.. you are just using it wrong...
Posted by Alfaro
i want a N82... but it's soooooo uggggllllyyyy
i love the K850 design...
but we are running out of the topic...
Posted by iqmaster158
yashen exxplain..how to use it..how to make his hand not so overbrighted...how to make it just like n82 did hmm? i wonder..
@alfaro: i totally agree
[ This Message was edited by: iqmaster158 on 2008-02-01 10:17 ]
Posted by fullforce
@Dupet
I think it's safe to say that you have either a faulty camera in your K850 or serious problems with the firmware. I tried the same type of foto on my hand with auto settings and it turned out okay. Not as bleached as your shot at all.
[ This Message was edited by: fullforce on 2008-02-01 10:36 ]